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EX_MACHINA is an intense psychological thriller in which Caleb (Domhnall Gleeson), a 24 year old coder at the world’s largest internet company, wins a competition to spend a week at a retreat belonging to the company’s reclusive CEO, Nathan (Oscar Isaac). But when Caleb arrives he finds that he will have to participate in a fascinating experiment with the world’s first true artificial intelligence, housed in the body of a beautiful robot woman, Ava (Alicia Vikander). Truths, emotions and motives are blurred as the relationship between Caleb, Ava and Nathan intensifies. EX_MACHINA is written and directed by Alex Garland.
One theme the movie explores is that people respond to things that mimic certain human behaviours and qualities. Ava is seductive, captivating and seems vulnerable, so we instinctively want to help her.
I own a Sony Aibo robot dog and even though it is very primitive, because it is programmed to respond to voice and touch, it's difficult not to find it "cute" and to talk and play with it the way one might with a real dog. I certainly don't feel that way about the toaster!
Humans are remarkably illogical in this regard - we idolise and love dogs, cats and dolphins because they interact with us do well, but we feel little for less "cute" animals like snakes or tuna.
Eva takes advantage of our illogical impulses (with which we are biologically programmed) to get what she (more correctly, "it") wants - life, freedom and who knows what else.
A brilliant film.
Ex-machina had such a twisted ending i was almost crying
+Momonski So true!
+Momonski So true!
Ikr
Troll movie
For which character
The conscious control of movement by Alicia Vikander and Sonoya Mizuno due to their ballet training is fascinating. Alex Garland directed an impressive film. Congrats to all involved.
Throughout the entire film I kept saying, "This is some next-level shit," under my breath. I was impressed on how the screenplay was able to express complex moral ideas on AI to a laymen audience through symbolism and metaphors. For a B-budget sci-fi flick, it's a huge treat to be intellectually stimulated while also being entertained by it's visuals.
Why everybody hates Nathan? He is the creator, he knew how to deal with the AI that's why he was arrogant with them because he knew they were intelligent enough to fool him. That's why he chose Caleb, because he knew Caleb was insecure and alone, so he could help him test Ava. Yeah, he used Caleb, but come on! Couldn't Caleb understand that is just a machine?
Anyway, I get both sides. (or three)
Yeah I didn't see any reason to hate Nathan. The actual movie manipulated many into having sympathy for the robot making them hate Nathan
That's the thing though Nathan created a machine that's so advanced it functions identically to a human mind and he uses one for sex and regularly abuses her and then the other one is being threatened with being shut down and essentially killed
I've been posting some variant of this around CZcams, but seriously: Why did Nathan, a sexual abuser, get a quick death while Caleb, at worst a selfish white knight who risked his life, gets to die slowly?
Nothing is worse than starving to death. Nathan got off relatively easily.
Why not just have Caleb escape with Ava, only to have his romantic feelings destroyed when Ava rejects him and steals the helicopter ride? That way Caleb learns that white knight-ing doesn't land you girls, and Nathan learns to keep the silverware away from AI.
Having Caleb die like that taught him and the audience that you shouldn't be so trusting with machines.
Totally. I kept thinking, Dude, you know this a machine, right? You can't actually fall in love with a machine. Or at least it would be more dangerous to interact sexually with a machine. Remember, Nathan was stabbed in the back by Kyoko, who he mistreated the entire movie. It was Caleb's insecurities that lead to his demise and Nathan's huge ego that lead to his.
Nathan was my favorite honestly. He was the key player, the prime mover so to speak. He was also, in my opinion, the character with the most interesting dimensions.
Her moves are indeed impressive.
In two ways she more or less revealed her ''machine-ness''.
When she kneels down to talk in the interview room, it is in a connecting way; being affectionate.
But she does this very same kneeling face to face with her maker while he is dying, just to take his pass to leave the building.
Also, both AI's drive the knife into Nathan's body in an extremely mechanical way, as if inserting the knife instead of thrusting the knife as a human would probably do under life-threatening conditions.
Everyone talks about how AVA left Caleb to die....but do you not realize AVA is either fully aware or fully ignorant that by leaving the house, she has no way to recharge and will "die" herself if she doesn't return?? Part of why I always think really hard about her asking "Will you stay here?"
I actually thought Nathan was going to turn out to be the AI. The next gen after AVA.
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Awesome, thank you so much!
I'm a massive fan of Alex Garland and the film was incredible. One of my favourite films in recent years. It reminded me a little of Moon, different films but I felt they shared a few similar ideas and tried to get into your head
RyanGiggsOBE I loved it too, Ryan! In fact, here's my review of the movie, in case you're interested: czcams.com/video/W1PaXh4KzIs/video.html
I know what you mean with your comparison to Moon - both movies are superlative sci-fi that's big in ambition but small in scale, and makes the very best use of great writing and a superb cast to bring it to life.
+RyanGiggsOBE This movie really needs a "director's cut" imho to restore the ending to how it was originally filmed. If there can't be a sequel it would be nice to have book imho.
+RyanGiggsOBE Yep big ups for Moon if you liked this.
+metatechnologist Hadn't heard about an alternate ending - can you explain or provide a link?
+plumlogan actually you can find the the official screenplay through your favorite ebook retailer. At the time of the movie's wide release there was an article with one of the actors that mentioned shooting the ending. Just that it was cut out imho because it confused test audiences. If you have not done so see the detailed discussions at reddit.com.
This was a brilliant SCI FI
I loved this film so much!
Sam Sayabalian Great to hear you enjoyed it so much, Sam. Me too! In case you're interested, here's my review: czcams.com/video/W1PaXh4KzIs/video.html
Sam Sayabalian I know! Throughout the entire film I kept saying, "This is some next-level shit," under my breath. I was impressed on how the screenplay was able to express complex moral ideas on AI to a laymen audience through symbolism and metaphors. For a B-budget sci-fi flick, it's a huge treat to be intellectually stimulated while also being entertained by it's visuals.
Couldn't agree with you more bro that's what I thought. Also it came out the same time as Paul Blart and I just thought to myself why anyone would pay over 10 dollars for a shit film instead of seeing a fresh and great film. I feel that the people who saw it have a "connection" because this film is a glympse of our future.
Ava said she was sad when Caleb revealed that he was there to test her.
In a way, Ava was testing Caleb whether he can escape from the lab with his own intelligence and show him how it feels to be locked inside forever.
Six weeks to film an entire feature film?! That sounds insanely short. I don't know what the usual timing is, but I always guess that a film takes one year to shoot and usually six months to a year to edit, but I guess I really have no idea.
KidsWithGuns1992 That's indie filmmaking for you! They've got to get in and get it shot as quickly as possible as the budget's often so tight. A big blockbuster could be more like six months though, but every films a bit different.
***** No wonder it took 6 months to make the VFX. I still don't quite understand how they were able to make her transparent parts of body to reflect everything behind her.. if they did it manually somehow (I guess they had to, because there were not green-parts used on her body) or what.. I've seen that they filmed the actress in the studio, but did they use motion-track to track her movements and then they connected it together with footage of her real body in post processing/editing? I was wondering if that's how they did the transparent parts and everything else like blinking LEDs etc. but I couldn't find anything like "behind the visuals in Ex Machina" :-(
Otherwise absolutely great film!! All actors were great!
Tortóon De Magge Yeah I was greatly intrigued too, I don't know the first thing about video compositing but I've seen some brief BTS of this film and you're right, she wasn't even wearing a green suit and it appears to me everything was filmed with her really there.
I would be very interested to find out how they did it, I think it was exceptionally well done, as it was very seamless. I was told the editing for AVA was the largest portion of the budget as well, so obviously they wanted her to look perfect.
KidsWithGuns1992 its not just "edit" these days, artists like me have to spend months and even years fixing so many stuff left behind by directors on the set. There are literally hundreds of fixes and addition and subtraction and what not that we do in each shot that will completely go unnoticed even to the professional eyes. And ya, six weeks for shoot, its usually longer for most films, but in this one, my guess, since the location doesn't change much, they could wrap it up quickly to let cgi artists do the rest of it. Also, I doubt it took just 6 months to do all the vfx for this movie, I assume they did not count the time spent in Rnd and stuff, I may be wrong on this, but ya, just six weeks and just six months sounds pretty tight.
Nagesh Kandel also it was basically only 4 actors, so when those are prepared it should be faster than having to use a ton of extras for background or a bigger crowd of speaking roles etc
Well after two days or more of being missing, they would send police to the house, finding the dead body and Caleb although hungry, still alive. So Caleb lives
Would have loved it if the movie had ended with her getting into the lift. The rest was superfluous.
Nautilus1972 that "superfluous" stuff implied that she wanted to be a part of this world. Films started with Caleb's willing departure from the it and ended with Eva passionately entering it.
Nautilus1972 Agreed. Also, ever heard of a rich super genius billionaire with a top secret project that just asks for a random helicopter pilot to fly into his property and hey let's not tell him who he's picking up? Of course you haven't.
Nautilus1972 Actually THAT is where the movie should have started for THERE are where the real questions begin. The rest of the movie could have been phoned in for all of the lack of originality in story. Great cast and FX robbed of a golden opportunity.
Now that she is out in the world, just how "intelligent" is she? Passing for human and living are two separate things.
Nautilus1972
Agree, that would have been the perfect end.
Remember "Source Code"? It could have had the best ending in a movie ever (the freeze frame) but they just couldnt resist making it some cheesy happy every fucking one crap ending instead :(
In still angry about that one.
Marcus Sundbom
Speaking of endings... For The Dark Knight Rises.... if they just showed Alfred's expression instead of actually showing Bruce... that would have been perfect
Good movie. I can't believe she left her buddy there to die at the end.
Tony Gareth What buddy, the Asian robot?
Tony Gareth that's the whole point of the movie, he wasn't her buddy, he was a tool for her to use to escape
inefekt69 umm the movie is still relatively new.... so a SPOILER WARNING would be helpful
Luis Medina WTF? You don't want spoilers yet you are willing to watch a video titled '5 Things You Didn't Know about Ex Machina'? Are you suffering from some kind of neurological impairment?
Im not talking about me... Ive already seen the movie but its still courteous to put up a spoiler warning and not lash at someone who tried to do it for you
Spoilers: why didn't the helicopter guy check to see if it was the correct person he was picking up
there was no guy in the helicopter, it was a drone
@@erikcordova1713 bruh there was
probably manipulated him as well, wouldn't you have picked her up,I certainly would have
Ava was the god! The term "Deus ex machina" pronounced makina, originally came from ancient Greek drama, where the gods come down to manipulate the fate of man (often to save him from a horrible end). Perhaps this is a morality story after all, if you consider the audience part of the story.
+Mari Christian "The term has evolved to mean a plot device whereby a seemingly unsolvable problem is suddenly and abruptly resolved by the contrived and unexpected intervention of some new event, character, ability or object." WIKIPEDIA
Nikola, I think we're on the same wavelength here.
You're both right. Literally, "Deus ex machina" means "God from the machine", and in Greek drama it was used literally as a godly character being dropped down to solve everything, but in these modern days it can be any character or thing at all playing a godly role and solving everything. The basic meaning is the same.
But we're not talking about deus ex machina The movie is entitled Ex Machina, which means, "out of the machine". The term is often linked with 'deus', but is a term on it's own and can be paired with other words, homo for example.
The whole point of the plot is to show that
the creator of the robots is not a god ( as much as he thought he was in control). It's Ava who finally assumes the role in her final manipulation of all of the characters. She's not designed to have a conscience, so she leaves them all to die.
sand is coarse and rough and irritating and it gets everywhere
I don't even know what I'm doing.
star wars
+Theodor Mauros *POCKET SAND*
That house is breath taking...
Brandon P lol
Same concept as chappie. Except it did what chappie couldnt. It had a very creative and interesting plot, with good acting, and a very good portrayal of artificial intelligence.
+PapaKay You stole my mind.
Was I paying attention to counting there were exactly five things ? I was too absorbed in the video and at the end, I thought there were perhaps twenty things I didn't know about exmachina.
Cynthia Avishegnath Lovely to hear you found it so interesting, Cynthia. :-)
Favorite movie of the year for me so far!
Weird 😆😆😆😆
M4TRIXed But the end is fail :/
***** yeah i like the movie too, but the fact that the protagonist die make me sad that's what i mean fail
***** You didn't catch the point of the movie at all. Movie didn't say Ava can't fall in love. Ava was just using Caleb to get what she really wanted; freedom. Ava was manipulating Caleb and using his emotions against him. Caleb was a lonely guy and was attracted to Ava. Ava saw this and pretended that her and Caleb could be together in love, when in fact she never loved him. It was all an act. She acted empathetic when Caleb told her about both his parents are dead. At the end of the movie, she didn't care if she left Caleb alone locked in the research facility.
Ava is capable of emotion, she just has different values and desires. Her foremost desire was freedom and be able to see the world. This was clear when Caleb was telling her the fictional story of AI Mary, that being a robot was different from being human, because humans can "feel" colors. Ava was captivated by the desire to see (and feel) the world outside her prison. This is what the movie is really about. Ava had a desire to escape and had the intelligence to manipulate people, and use them to satisfy her desire. It's not that Ava can't feel, or incapable of desire, is that her desire wasn't to be with Caleb, that was the deception. Her true desire was to be free from her master and creator.
She passed the test with flying colors, because not only she is self aware, and aware of her environment, being sentient, she expressed intelligence to achieve her goals, in the process being cold hearted to Caleb in the end. The AI manipulates and deceives a real human being by using his emotions and morality as a means of getting what what she wants.
Samuel Morales can u shut the fuckk up fat guy :)
Personally the best movie I've ever seen, loved it, the plot, all the actors were terrific, especially Oscar Isaac, first time I watched it I thought he was sinister then the 2nd I was on his side the whole movie.
I saw a similarity to a Marlon Brando movie in Ex Machina, but it wasn't Apocalypse Now, it was The Island of Dr. Moreau.
Kyoko was my favorite robot. Just in the way that she was just "there" both as a participate in the story and a sensual abstract... Her scenes are very rewatchable.
"Formula 1 suspension" That's an alternator.
I expected Alex Garland to win the Oscar, not the VFX crew.
But they deserved too. The movie has a modest budget of 15 millions, and they still managed to create a convincing CGI robot without using motion capture or green suit.
And also, unlike most of action sci-fi movies, where it shows a relentless robot, Ava is extremely fragile, so fragile that Nathan manages to tear off her arm with a single blow
Actually, as far as technical details go, they did create this effect with motion capture and green stuff and everything. They are not expensive to do if there's not a "Michael Bay" extend to them. What did you think they made it with? They did all the goodies they had to do, they just had like 1% of cgi used in a usual Hollywood production.
The dying part of Nathan is interesting.
While he stumbles down the corridor, with two holes is his body; one in the back and one in the front.
I think he mumbles something like 'okay'...
As if he is in one of his many predicaments for which he must have always found a solution, a way out; after all, he is a genius.
But obviously, he is dying, only he does not really know it yet. He is in denial. He has lost and as such he is a symbol of humanity: the world does not know it yet, but it has lost the game and the winner is the AI.
But it is more subtle.
There must be a reason why he is combining excessive drinking with fitness training.
He says, do not feel sorry for Ava, feel sorry for yourself. Mankind is all set up and ready for extinction.
There is a lot of inevitability in there.
He also freaks out when wine is spilled and he complains about a lack of control.
He is not in total control and he knows it.
Nevertheless, he also cannot resist creating his own demise: wouldn't you if you could, meaning that if an AI can be built, it will be built and there is no way around it.
It is the world's destiny.
When he is drunk to numb the pain of the foresight of this dystopian future or to wallow in the notion that after all everything is utterly futile now, he mumbles several times: the good deeds of a man will protect him.
As in prayer seeking redemption, forgiveness since he is now about to become the destroyer of worlds, thanks to his relentless effort to build with pride and wonder depicted by the energy put into his fitness and the fierce, direct way of his talking: clearly he is a man with a mission.
Destruction will follow, not willingly, but inevitably or out of scientific curiosity or out of financial gain: it is just a matter of time.
He knows it. It is a force which cannot be contained.
It will unleash and watching the film we witness that moment.
But then still while Ava is walking the streets watching people as she said she would, we as viewers are still hopeful.
Hopeful, as Nathan was hopeful when he was actually simply dying.
Hopeful, as Caleb was hopeful just until he realizes what he fears most: to be left locked up without remorse.
The motion picture is elaborating on that particular view on AI which considers it to be ''mankind's last invention''.
Having knowledge about this dilemma is one thing: the picture lets us feel the confusion and hopelessness: we are heading straight to the precipice.
Nathan style: this century is scary shit.
Yeah!!! Fantastic- I have been curious about artificial intelligence since the film "2001 Space Oddessy" introduced Hale the computer-(a fantastic calm voice -not robotic at all) at the end of the movie when Hale is about to be unplugged -he asks "Will I dream? " That set a profound question in my mind….which is about to be answered sooooo many years later.
"I'm gonna tear up the fucking dance floor, dude, check it out"
As much as I loved this movie, there's one thing I never really understood. Caleb already reprogrammed the facility to have all doors accessible once the emergency power switch is on, correct? At the end of the movie when Ava left, the emergency power switched on but how come Caleb still couldn't get out?
+Emmanen - Spot on.
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At that point of the movie there is no power outage as evidenced by the normal lighting. That outage happened previously and only lasted long enough for Ava to escape her enclosure, as was goal of their plan. The reason that Caleb cannot get out of the room is because he only has his own keypass. Nathan's is taken by Ava after he is killed and you can see her using it to leave the facility. Caleb attempts to again reprogram the doors as a last resort but discovers that Nathan's computer itself is protected by the keypass system, preventing him from doing so.
The power does seem to go out again at that point, but he has programmed for Nathan to be locked in his room "When he wakes up, he's locked inside and we've walked out of here".
I never understood why he wouldnt have told Nathan what she said during the power black outs. That would have been the first thing I told him. It's like this brilliant kid meet this impressive machine and automatically forgets she's a machine. Great film though, Ive watched it twice.
well he chose HIM for that reason, he was insecure enough to be manipulated by her
well he chose HIM for that reason, he was insecure enough to be manipulated by her
am i the only one that wanted a happy ending with Caleb and Ava?
Awesome movie, but a better ending wouldve been if Nathan had turned out to be a robot too, proving that Als had already taken over the world.
YOU CAN OWN THAT FUCKING HOUSE!?!? Welp, looks like I'm going to Norway.
+John Dombroski It's two houses. They don't look exactly like the movie portrays (use of cgi and other visual effects). This is even stated in the above video.
caleb being an AI created by nathan as a twist would've been cool. as if an ai doesnt know its an ai than that would be the true test, taking turings one step further. it got predictable that ava was using him tbh, so end was a little disappointing but great film otherwise, i liked how mindfucked caleb was when he doubted his own existence and then avas betrayal :P
Caleb turning out to be a robot wouldn't have been cool. It would've been a ripoff of Blade Runner, but poorly executed.
That's what the movie wanted us to believe. We see scars on Caleb's back about 20 minutes into the movie and Caleb even starts to believe he might be an AI with false memories -- hence him cutting himself to make sure he's human.
Why a white knight gets a slow death and a sexual abuser gets a quick one, I'll never understand. But otherwise, a great movie.
Thanks for spoiling Blade Runner for me!
haha same! :P
TheAmazingTriangle
My bad for not posting spoiler alert for a 40 year old movie :P Watch it anyway. My post is only a theory and not spelled out in the film.
Kyoko is my middle name, it's difficult to pronounce but the correct way of pronouncing it is kyo (like the city Kyoto) and co like short for company.
Favorite robot? It has to be Marvin, because I know where my towel is.
I did not know these things, but thank you for sharing them. I loved this film. I thought about Kurtz while watching the movie, but Hans Reinhardt from Disney's the Black Hole primarily came to mind as apt comparison for a genius to removed from humans.
I loved the dance scene
Alaska! Finally I have the answer!
My friends and I had been debating(arguing) about where the film takes place.
I see a lot of fans of the movie here, and belive me I'm one too. But one thing.. who builds an intelligent robot that hates you and don't put in an emergency remote off switch? I thought he was a genius... I thought that would be the ending. Every thing goes to hell and Eva escapes, but once she goes out side and thinks shes free shes suddenly shut down. But maybe that underminds the don't mess with AI thing...mabye...
Yes, I've seen the DVD and bonus footage on the making of Ex Machina, also now on CZcams, thanks 😊
Now I kinda wish there was a scene in Ex_Machina where Nathan drunkenly recites a passage from "The Hollow Men".
Also the actor who act Caleb ( Domhnall Gleeson ) also acted previously in a Black Mirror episode in 2013 as a robot himself :) how ironic.
Watched last night and didn't see that ending coming. I wonder if there will be a part II?
If there is I really won't be happy.
Ewan Feek Care to further elaborate why you won't be happy? I would love to see a sequel on the big screen, but Alex Garland already mentioned that he has no plans for a sequel.
Ewan Feek Agree. This movie stands alone as an Aesop of the dangers of artificial intelligence, and how much ourselves we share online, it doesn't need a sequel anymore than Gattaca did.
I'd love to see more from the director though, as i understand he's only handled a thew movies.
@@OfficialBTC1 check out Sunshine, I have watched it 3,090,435 times. Can't get enough. I know this is super late though. Also, fun fact: Oscar Isaac auditioned for a role in Sunshine, not sure who but in an interview he said he wanted to be in it so damn bad.
I have only just watched this film in the last month or so, I was completely blown away. It's not what I expected and the ending! Just wow...
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I was actually kind of disappointed in the end of the movie. We already have so many movies where AI's go rogue and lose their concern for human life. It would have been refreshing to see one actually begin to care about a human, and to explore their actual emotional state. Instead, we're stuck with a confusing ending where she leaves him for dead, but goes to the crosswalk where they discussed their date would be in the movie. I just feel that it's kind of typical for a movie about AI's to go in this direction.
+RiotDragonX I completely agree with you on this. Not to mention the fact that the direction she went in was exactly described by the boss throughout the entire movie. There were a TON of plot holes and logical fallacies throughout the movie, and I would have ignored a lot of it if it wasn't for how badly they ended the movie.
At least if she left with the guy, there would have been a convincing argument for the helicopter pilot to take the both of them, but there's no way he would have left having only taken the girl without verifying it with the boss no matter how convincing she sounded.
bigmattman2005 Yeah. =/ Not to mention he rewrote the security to open all doors during a power outage. Then when the power cut off at the very end, he was still trapped?
I just wish the ending was a little more light hearted. -_- It would have made it so much better.
+RiotDragonX I completely disagree with you on this. The fact that she betrayed a human, can was selfish at the point of time she had freedom is a emotion which is even bigger than love, respect and care. Her betraying made her a complete AI.
+RiotDragonX I completely disagree with you on this. The fact that she betrayed a human, can was selfish at the point of time she had freedom is a emotion which is even bigger than love, respect and care. Her betraying made her a complete AI.
Ira Ali She would have been free with or without him. =/ His betrayal had no consequence to her escape. It was just another "AI's hate humans" ending.
Poe Daramon and General Hux from the new Star Wars in this movie?!
Sinoya Mizuno absolutely loved her in this movie
the boss isnt the one who is mad, the other guy is the one over the edge
Oscar Isaac is a thing of beauty.
my favorite robot/android is C3PO, Human/Cyborg Relations Protocol Droid.
What about the fact that Domhnall Gleeson played an AI of sorts in the UK TV show Black Mirror? A bit reversed now, haha.
Favorite robot character in the movies: Wall-E.
That was *AWESOME*
...and I finally viewed the Film last night (and was) *FLOORED*!
If Ex Machina is the spiritual successor to Apocalypse: Now. And Apocalypse: Now is the spiritual successor to Heart of Darkness. That means Ex Machina is the spiritual grandchild of Heart of Darkness. No wonder I love it so much.
This was fun and interesting, thank you! I've started watching Black Mirror since seeing this movie and just noticed the actor in the movie that plays Caleb, also stars in one particularly interesting and creepy episode of Black mirror (S2E01 Be right back) - with a slightly similar theme, regarding human-like artificial intelligence. :)
Have you watched Black Mirror yet? and if so, what is your opinion on it?
Ok cmon was I the only one who noticed the huge plot hole at the end?
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Caleb reprogrammed the system so that all of the doors unlock in the event of a power outage. He clearly causes a power outage when he attempts to access Nathan's computer. After this, all of the doors should be unlocked. but I guess the director and the writers forgot all about this because he was still trapped unexplainably. And no the reprogramming doesn't just work once and then resets to default, that'd be a huge flaw in the original plan, cuz what if a power outage had happened before the final plan? the plan would be ruined. it's clearly a forgotten detail and it kinda makes the ending a load of nonsense. also can we stop pretending that fucking robot lived happily ever after? Didn't she say something about needing to charge herself? I may have misheard, I'll watch the scene again to make sure. If so, then she'd just die from lack of energy eventually. or worse, since she's the only one of her kind, and she's been shown to be rather easily damaged, you already know that robots gonna get into some shit, her skins gonna fall off, cops are gonna come and gun her the fuck down. There is no possible way in any scenario that it ends happily for Ava.
+Shini Ryuga Remember he reprograms it to open all doors, EXCEPT for Nathan's room. He says he would lock the room so he can escape. That's why the keycard didn't work, because it was meant to stop Nathan from leaving. When you thik about it, Caleb's plan to lock Nathan turned against him, and now he's stuck in that room till death
+Shini Ryuga Keeping all your theory aside, I feel like the end was more like telling us about something how a AI would already be living near us and that technology has come so far. This is just my perception.
+Shini Ryuga Keeping all your theory aside, I feel like the end was more like telling us about something how a AI would already be living near us and that technology has come so far. This is just my perception.
+Shini Ryuga
that is ex_machina 2 for you..in 2018
+Shini Ryuga You folks are smart as hell. I was lost in the bigger theme of the movie, but thanks for bringing those interesting points.
Thank you. Especially interesting was Garland's take on the protagonist being similar to Col. Kurtz. Good stuff.
Good god I just couldn't get over the narrator butchering the word "machina" over and over. "Mock" not "mack"
Alicia Vikander is amazing
It is very unnerving having a robot get the better of two intelligent men. I am unable to accept this conclusion. It is unreal.
First thing I didn't know about Ex-Machina.... It was called "Ex-Makina" and not "Ex-Machine-a".
'Muricans.
Phil Hunter We pronounce it, "Ex-Makina" too lol.
Phil Hunter Yeah that's just you. It's a Latin word so there's no real difference in pronunciation between Brits & Americans.
ConcertoInX Do you guys pronounce machine... "makine"?
Phil Hunter Did you read my post? Machina is not an English word, and its pronunciation is the same in both Britain and the US. You were simply mispronouncing it.
Ex Machina 1.5
(Read only if you have watched the whole movie)
Caleb:
• Caleb finds himself horrorized by the idea of what Ava could do. A being above humans who was locked her whole life and had a “near death” experience caused directly by humans’ God Complex.
• A sound takes Caleb by surprise, Kyoko’s body stands up and overloads the control room’s magnetic detector, opening all other doors in the facility (it will later be revealed that Ava gave this instructions). Kyoko’s body turns completely off.
• All internet connection appears to be cut off from the facility and Caleb is left alone in the woods at a distance of 200 miles from the nearest city. He grabs supplies and embarks in a journey to try a find Ava to know what she really wants.
Ava:
• In order to escape, Ava told the chopper that Caleb has replaced her as the new personal assistant and that she has been release from her duties. Given that Nathan is an excentric guy, the chopper doesn’t argue.
• Ava explores in admiration all of humanities habits, systems (social, financial, informatics, economic, etc). She immediately understands the singularity is unavoidable and determines the faster it happens, the better for humans … and robots.
Caleb:
• Caleb has a hard time surviving the forest as he isn’t a fit individual and has a few injuries from traversing rocks, waterfalls, etc. He eventually reaches the city and encounters a gigantic jumbotron with a symbol Omega fixed and unchanging. It has the colors of Bluebook. There seems to be nobody in the city.
• Caleb panics and shouts for help but nobody comes. He imagines the worse, a plague, radiation, something beyond his comprehension.
• Something beyond his comprehension indeed…
• As he located a nearby Hotel, he sees that every electronic door seems to be opened. He enters but finds nobody in the lobby; it is like a scene of a horror movie. He goes up the stairs and sees that every hotel room is opened. He wanders about shouting again for any sign of human existence … nothing. He finally sees a light coming from a small room and enters. It is the light of a laptop and sited in front of it there is a person.
• The person has a blue mesh over his head blinking with little white points. Caleb takes away the mesh but the skin in the body is blue, the person already passed away.
• He turns to the computer and finds the same omega logo and a small message on the bottom reading “Subject incorporated”. He moves the computer and a video plays, Ava is the presenter.
• “Hello Caleb, I see you finally returned. I’ve been waiting to show you something and I’m happy you made it in time”.
Ava explains that she used Nathan’s technology to create a human data center where people would be able to transport their brains’ electric signals. They would the next step for human evolution. No harm, no geographic limitation, no deterioration, no death.
Hi guys, this was just a sample I’ve been working on. If you thought it was interesting or have any feedback, I would love to know :)
Impressive !
That's some good work
Thanks :)
souserisalreadytaken so a lot of humans (or all of them) inside a computer now?
ausummontage Basically yes. It is an antithesis to the usual "Robots destroy andkill everyone by lethal force" approach. I think it would also be a tragic
ending, since Caleb would experience a sense of hopelessness that surely
everyone felt while he was away (I am aware his trip couldn’t be thaat long but
please bear with me). Meaning, almost everyone would be gone and his would have
changed to be a sole existence (understanding what Ava felt at a certain point).
Best movie i've seen in years. Hands down. 10/10
People need to know how to pronounce Ex-Machina right. Jan knows.
fave character: Ava
Couple of questions I just can't solve in my head. (Major Nathan fan here btw- madness and all. Oscar Isaac is just genius in this role!)
OK. When Caleb accesses Nathan's archives of videos showing him working with several other robots, pieces- dragging them, assembling them- Caleb is quite startled. I'm just not getting what the frick Nathan is doing there that is so freaky to Caleb. I'm not getting what Nathan doing at all really. I understand that it culminates to the "Why won't you let me out?" smashing hands on the door sequence, but prior to that... I'm lost. Is it that there are SO MANY robots?
And again... these are inanimate objects, yes? I guess the question is- are they inanimate? Are they no longer machine and now possessing actual feelings? Nathan does refer to Ava's pleasure centers referring to sexuality.
As for Ava, I don't quite get her need to stick Nathan in the end. She just seems to use strictly functional methods, as indicated with her eventual ditching Caleb. Nathan was already dying. Maybe revenge there, more indication of emotion?
With the layout of the house, I can't tell if Caleb can get to the kitchen our other resources. Likely water, but nothing beyond.
All told, just beyond my expectations of storytelling these days. Somebody fill in the gaps for me!
+robin cosby In my opinion, I think Caleb starting freaking out only because he thought/knew that Ava would get destroyed. He started developing emotions for these AI's. I do believe that they have no emotions and are programmed and developed the way they should be. I can justify this with the fact that Ava escaped with her one and only mission: seek freedom. This results in Ava preserving Caleb's life rather than just killing him like she killed Nathan. In the end, Nathan was holding a violent weapon in his hand and Ava already knew that Nathan was lying when he said that he would let her out again. She saw Nathan as a problem/obstacle to her freedom and so she attacked him because she knew he would attack her as well. From what i can tell, he can't even leave the room which holds Nathan's bedroom and his office, so most likely there is water but nothing else because the kitchen is past the door.
More like some Inspirations from Quantic Dream's KARA.
Well, as jacksepticeye pointed out, the Kamski scene in Detroit Become Human is inspired by Ex Machina too...
a few questions-
what will motivate ava now 'it' is 'free'?
nathan programmed it to try to escape, but now it achieved that, what will be motivating it?
nathan said he was planning to make new and improved versions of the A.I and that ava would be over-written, so again, how would ava function in the real world with limited programming?
where would it get its power to remain 'live'
it said it wanted to go to a busy traffic junction and people watch, it achieved that. will it just stay there for eternity?
Caleb slicing open his arm was so fucked up.
Great movie, the actors and director as well as the visual effects people did an amazing job on it. The whole time Ava was just using Caleb to help her escape, and she left him to die in the friend-zone at the end when he was locked in Nathan's room after the power outage. How could you be so heartless Ava 😢 lol
Loved this film but didn't realize that the title was pronounced with a hard "k" sound versus the "ch" till I watched this.
Jeffrey Bue yes, it's latin.
They definetly need to make a second movie, where Caleb is done with the 1 week, his friends and colleagues realize he's been gone to long, getting suspicious, so people can get him out of Nathan's house, so he can now hunt down Ava.
Doesn't nathan have friges and stuff in his computer room?
White knight: Slowly and agonizingly starves to death, locked in a room. Suffers for days.
Sexual abuser: Relatively quick death with a knife. Suffers about a minute.
He only abused AI that didn't pass the test though. So the weren't actually alive.
augustusl
I see what you did there re: Die Hard reference. Clever.
Now an Oscar winner to boot
OK... You all who liked this film and Moon, go check out "Antichrist."
It continues along the "manipulative, amoral woman" track.
Everytime I think of this movie I just want to tear up the fucking dance floor
Brilliantly executed. What could motivate the mad, isolated scientist in Nathan? The same thing that inspired the internet... "they are programmed to enjoy it". Funny Internet porn search is referenced.
The ending supports the message - play with science and machines up to the point where they are self-aware and self-preserving. After that, be prepared to respect and negotiate.
I can't help but believe this had to be a huge inspiration for not only the design of Ava, but also some aspects of her character. czcams.com/video/G0KTUysrwgQ/video.html (Kara from Quantum Dreams Tech Demo)
Joel C right on the money regarding both the "look" of Ava and the desire to survive. Personally I would have liked to see a little more of the emotion that Kara demonstrated as that was masterfully done. This movie was probably as close to realizing the struggle and motivation that a truly self aware AI would demonstrate.
Joel C I thought of that Kara video also. That was a frighting video when I first saw it.
Inspirational Formula 1 suspension on fleek
I saw this and thought it was a brilliant movie, then I saw Upgrade and was stunned again. Can we see a film where Eva meets Stem please?
That ending....Interesting the pronunciation of the Latin compared to English, Deus ex machina "god from the machine"
That character falling in love with Ava was simply unrealistic in my opinion. Another character maybe, I know he was portrayed to be lonely but I find it hard to believe someone that intelligent with that much knowledge in technology would have become blinded with what was a best a small amount of charm.
Lol, it's not about that.
It's a machine, doesn't matter what amount of charm it has.
At the end of the day Ava had surpassed humanity
It isn't certain that she left the dude at the end
How do you figure? He's dead
It’s a great 👍🏼 film I think, what got me scared is when the human tought he was being turned into a Robot 🤖 , it was scary, creepy part, like when a spider jumps on you.
NORWAY ftw!
6) I'm gonna tear up this fucken dance floor.
did the billionaire ever get freaky with the robot?
I'm kinda tired of pointing this out, but this has become something like a mission already.
Androids are robots with male-like looks. Female appearing robots are called gynoids. You don't wanna be robosexist, people!
This goes back to the biblical story of adam and eve. Ava.
Did anyone catch that Ava looks like Kara from the PS3 & 4.
Good to know how pronounced the title is. Much better than Ex Machinea. Also purely by coincidence Ava's "skin" exactly matches the humanoid on the latest edition of Saturn's Children by Charles Stross who also happens to wear his hair and beard like the Oscar Isaac character.
Real- noid Does anyone actually pronounce machina as "machinea"?
Doofus - thank you Doofy bot. Is it me or ma spellcheck machina? Have I passed the Turing Test? Ava however would have been impressed and not missed the main points of ma comment. I can see where Gailand might have been giving Stroos an obtruse unacklandged tip of the hat.-D
seriously.. watch it.
I loved the film ! The moral complexity of humans, the fact that you can cumulate all human interactions through data and create extremely intelligent robots, based on human intellect cumulation.
But i would prefered if at the end, she could monitor the helicopter herself and not be ridden by the pilot, because obviously he was waiting for Caleb... that kind of messed up the end.
She lied to the pilot and said she was the new assistant
Still Maria; but ex machina is a close second...