Yes I have both, I use pneumatic. Faster to reload and less tangles in choppy waters, shorter than a comparable power band gun. no need to replace bands yearly, I feel the shorter and thicker shaft goes more straight without drops. Cons, repair may be more complicated, parts are cheap but often have to be ordered from Europe, also more careful with sand damage. But I can attach an action cam with a simple velcro wrist strap on the barrel. And I can travel with the speargun in a regular travel bag without having to pay airlines' oversize baggage fees
This guy has never used a pneumatic. I've used them for 30 years my first a mares sten and currently a mares cyrano 110 they load way quicker than rubber guns and in 30 years I've only ever had 1 o ring give me trouble. They're easy to fix as if you have any mechanical understanding and the power is variable. I guarantee i can load my 110 faster and get it into action quicker than any rubber gun out there. Treat them with respect and was them after diving and they'll last along time. Sad to see such a biased comparison I buy from adreno and they've never let me down but that was unfair to good spearguns. The only disadvantage is on older models the line of sight is higher than the shaft so this takes some getting used to.
@@abdulrahmanreciteation No, once you've pumped it up to the level of power you want - within the manufactures specs - thats it. Only if you loose air through a bad o ring is there a problem. Servicing pneumatics is not hard and really only every second or third year would be fine depending on how much use it gets. Just look after them by rising in fresh water after us.
The main issue you will see in relation to power on a pneumatic speargun Vs a rubber speargun, is that due to teh nature of compressed air if you are diving deeper with a pneumatic speargun i.e. 10 metres plus, the deeper you dive means the power will be reduced, thus effecting the range of the speargun. The other major issue we see with penumatci spearguns, is people firing them out of the water; as this causes major issues with pneumatic spearguns causing damage to O-rings an internal compenents.
i have been spearfishing for close to 45 years now. The first 23 years i had the same undersee rubber gun. Then i was introduced to a mares cyrano 970. This is the best gun ever! i tried the hft but went back to the cyrano with a few upgrades i did myself. I shoot all the fishes i ever did. No rubber gun can be better than a compressed air gun when it comes to costs and reliability!
He’s obviously against pneumatic guns and if you look behind him you’ll see why, I love pneumatic guns they’re super accurate and powerful, I have 2 Mares and they’re nothing but fanatics spearguns.
Dumb video, totally biased. There are pros and cons to each. You should have titled of this video “we only sell rail guns so please buy them and don’t buy pneumatics.” Or at leas titles it “drawbacks to pneumatics” so that it would have come across as objective
Yes all you need is a 1/2 inch PVC T connector loads the spear like a charm.Make sure to connect the spear to the gun with a flexible aircraft cable (about 15 feet)
The spear loader costs about $3 and I carry a spare one. yes easy to lose, but also a snorkel can get lost as easily. I think pneumatics up to 75 cm are easy to load, and the piston pushes the shaft all the way ti the end,, while the rubber in a rubber band keeps losing momentum and stop pushing the shaft before the shaft has left the speargun. Isn's a 70 cm pneumatic comparable to a 90 / 100 cm band gun? easier to transport too, and you can easily add a n action camera with velcro. Also spear is thicker so it has more momentum and less likely to bend. Maintenance is simple and you can add some oil once a year. I bought a gauge and my Salvimar Predathor did not lose any pressure in a year. There are advantages for pneumatics. Yes an expensive 100+ cm rubber goon may be better for blue water, but there are pros in pneumatics that this video ignored. Rubbers degrade, after a year they lose power, the pneumatic does not need a new piston or seals every year. Parts for pneumatics are inexpensive, and there are plenty of tutorials on how to service them. They are all more or less similar. When I switched to pneumatic I feel the spear shoots more straight.
bro...can i check with u on your gun what pressure did u usually load it up? and what kind is the biggest fish u would hunt with that pressure? Can u use engine oil like Mobil one of 5 / 50 to lubricate the gun? thanks in advance.
I believe 20 to 22 bar I have the manometer. I bought SEAC oil for spearguns. It was not expensive, ordered it from a Spanish diving online store. You can go up to 30 bar pressure (I have Salvimar Predathor) but It is way too hard to load. I like that a pneumatic is more compact for the power, easier to attach a camera with a simple velcro wrist strap, and also way faster to reload in choppy water than an open muzzle band gun. I think the video points to some disadvantages without informing on the advantages. No tool is perfect and there is always a compromise and a matter of preference.
@@honyeechou818 I have 2 Salvimar Predathor spearguns. They come at 20 bar, but manual states that you can pressurize up to 30 bar. But that would be really hard to load. 20/22 bar seems pretty good. I bought some SEAC brand speargun oil. You can check online. Since you need to lubricate after a year or 2, depending if you use it often or not, you can order wherever and wait for shipping. I ordered it from Subprof. Also if you look at DeeperBlue forums there are some people who are really knowledgeable on pneumatics including maintenance, repair and upgrades.
My friend, y was profesional spearfishing in Cuba, and I tested both. The pneumatic you can load in seconds, the accuracy is better and power depends the size.
@@josechavara nope. Pneumatic is difficult and dangerous to reload and you don't have where to aim and even make a lot of noise when you shoot so it's for beginners now let the pros handle the rubber
@@user-cd1gf1ik7r my friend, I was born in Cuba, I did spearfishing many years 4 days a week at least, and I use to dive more than 120 feet deep. I can te you for me it was easier and faster to load the pneumatic than the band and the shot is more powerful if you have enough air pressure.
@@josechavara Trust me because i have used pneumatic spearguns many times they are difficult to reload and actually they aren't stronger. A rubber speargun that ha 2 or 3 or even 4 rubbers are much stronger and it's easy to reload because you just pull quickly and boom it's ready!
I am with you. Actually in choppy water with currents I find easier to load a pneumatic than a open muzzle band gun you have to wrap the line first. Probably it is harder to load a long pneumatic gun, but up to 70 it is easier for me. Also adding some oil once a year is cheaper than replacing the bands.
I have a 110 mares cyrano and a 115 salvimar carbon. I use them most weekends not a single issue since I bought them about a year ago and for maintenance it just needs a good fresh water rinse and a few drop of oil down the trigger. I made my own loader much safer than those and if you lose it I just wrap a glove around the tip and do it that way. Nothing against rubber guns just find the pneumatic gun much easier and faster to load in my case.
You're not out of luck if you lose that little plastic piece to load the pneumatic gun spear .you just use the ground or the reef you're on and press down. Be careful on the reef of course 🙏😁
for short / medium guns usually the pneumatic has more power. You can search youtube with comparisons. Also consider pneumatic guns often have a thicker shaft that may have more momentum
@@thebabbler8867 Band guns can be more powerful if they have 2 bands and are longer, or if they are rollerguns. . Check videos on YT where the pneumatic guns's shaft completely goes thru a target in a pool and the band gun's shaft does not. The pneumatic's piston pushes the shaft until it leves the gun. The bands lose propulsion power 2/3 half way.the barrel a 75 cm pneumatic gun can generally more powerful than a 90 cm band gun (probably 105 cm actual length). I have both, and there are advantages / disadvantages. Pneumatic is also faster to reload as you can shoot right away without wrapping the line if you need to. Also pneumatic guns usually have a thicker shaft. J.R. Productions did you make any comparisons? have you tried them both? For me one main advantage is that I can travel with a sufficiently powerful speargun that fits in a 32 inch travel bag, to travel with a band gun I may be charged oversize fees by an airline to check a band gun (which are actually longer, as length refers only to the barrel, unlike pneumatics where length refers to the whole speargun)
@@stefpix someon forget talk about Tomba kit which means dry vacum barell. You have to check that speed of spear. Horoble on Cyrano 110. you can get 34 m/sec.
How to release the pressure of the pneumatic gun? How do l know how much air to pump? I bought a pneumatic gun recently & l would like this info thanks Guys
you can use a pin in the back, push in the hole. I bought a manometer gauge, money well spent if you like a pneumatic, you can change pressure without exactly counting the pumps. I ordered it from subprof. Different spearguns have different screw threads, although some have the same. The manometer gets screwed in the rear, there is a pin. if you do not screw it all the way in to make a seal, but in enough the air will come out. You could also use a nail, maybe i'd file the tip of the nail first to make it more blunt, not as sharp.
Wouldn’t another issue with the pneumatic gun come with increased depth? What I’m getting at is wouldn’t the power of the gun become decreased as you descend further because of the gasses inside becoming more and more compressed with the increased pressure?
the pressure inside the pneumatic gun is 20 / 30 bar. at 10 / 20 m depth the difference would be negligible. Plenty of spearfishing champions who use(d) pneumatic guns,
There is a video on CZcams comparing both types of guns for speed and power using materials in the same manner as tests on all types of guns including ballistic jelly. A double banded gun sent the spear into the jelly. Pierced right though but got stuck in the jelly. Pneumatic went right through and carried on going. What was more noticeable was the how much faster the Pneumatic was. If it is that much more powerful at first then the depths most divers go to are not an issue. If I dived mostly dives at greater depths more pressure can be added. Most guns now come with switch for half or full power. Same as adding or removing bands.
Can Anybody help me truly understand what bands are best for my Salvimar 85cm K-pro; the original rubbers with the gun are almost useless now. I also have a rail on the bottom.
It doesn't. This review is a load of rubbish. These are meant to be sportsmen and they have trouble pulling back a spear? I was a pretty flimsy 16 year old when I got my first one and I had no trouble at all. Read a lot of the comments here... you'll get way more proper information.
a band gun is never eaiser to load. a pnuematic gun with a bungie tether is the fastest. Just put the spear in until it clicks. then shoot. no spear alignment. no bands to pull. no bands to break every year. get the longest gun that you can load while resting stock on your foot.
Worst Adreno vid so far, so biased and just plain wrong. Pneumatics have pros and cons over rubber spearguns, none of which were taken into account in this biased video.
I don't understand how you say power loss is negligible air compresses more for every atmosphere you go down might be ok for free diving but what about scuba at deep depths
@@thomaskitlica5572 A Salvimar darkside or Predaror can be powered at 30+ bars, so even at 100 feet + you will have more than enough power to wack anything that you may cross your path with ...
Wrong,made in Italy Mares pneumatic spear guns must be loaded under water!! Don't know about other brands, but believe me failure to do so Will result in downfall of the gun.
My Salvimar Predathor did not lose any pressure from last year. Only maintenance is rinsing in fresh water and maybe in a few months add some oil. Sand can be more of an issue, but trigger mech is sealed and you get no sand there. With band guns you need to replace rubbers every year or you lose power, and are slower to reload / wrap in choppy seas. Band guns are easier to carry on a float unloaded, it is nice to have both.
it is not. very complicated and sensitive. also need much more time to prepare for shoot. Lot of unnecesary things which make lot of confusion. Try Dry Vacum kit on top of pneumatic gun. You will be very suprize.
the presenter was obviously biased against the pneumatic. accuracy range and reload comparison would be more informative
Yes I have both, I use pneumatic. Faster to reload and less tangles in choppy waters, shorter than a comparable power band gun. no need to replace bands yearly, I feel the shorter and thicker shaft goes more straight without drops. Cons, repair may be more complicated, parts are cheap but often have to be ordered from Europe, also more careful with sand damage. But I can attach an action cam with a simple velcro wrist strap on the barrel. And I can travel with the speargun in a regular travel bag without having to pay airlines' oversize baggage fees
This guy has never used a pneumatic. I've used them for 30 years my first a mares sten and currently a mares cyrano 110 they load way quicker than rubber guns and in 30 years I've only ever had 1 o ring give me trouble. They're easy to fix as if you have any mechanical understanding and the power is variable. I guarantee i can load my 110 faster and get it into action quicker than any rubber gun out there. Treat them with respect and was them after diving and they'll last along time. Sad to see such a biased comparison I buy from adreno and they've never let me down but that was unfair to good spearguns. The only disadvantage is on older models the line of sight is higher than the shaft so this takes some getting used to.
yea that may be but they're not as accurate and powerful as the serious rubber ones
@@davidvaknin3801 wrong
Do you need to fill up air for a speargun
@@abdulrahmanreciteation No, once you've pumped it up to the level of power you want - within the manufactures specs - thats it. Only if you loose air through a bad o ring is there a problem. Servicing pneumatics is not hard and really only every second or third year would be fine depending on how much use it gets. Just look after them by rising in fresh water after us.
The main issue you will see in relation to power on a pneumatic speargun Vs a rubber speargun, is that due to teh nature of compressed air if you are diving deeper with a pneumatic speargun i.e. 10 metres plus, the deeper you dive means the power will be reduced, thus effecting the range of the speargun. The other major issue we see with penumatci spearguns, is people firing them out of the water; as this causes major issues with pneumatic spearguns causing damage to O-rings an internal compenents.
i have been spearfishing for close to 45 years now. The first 23 years i had the same undersee rubber gun. Then i was introduced to a mares cyrano 970. This is the best gun ever! i tried the hft but went back to the cyrano with a few upgrades i did myself. I shoot all the fishes i ever did. No rubber gun can be better than a compressed air gun when it comes to costs and reliability!
Agree totally. started with a Sten 90cm and now a cyrano 110. love em.
He’s obviously against pneumatic guns and if you look behind him you’ll see why, I love pneumatic guns they’re super accurate and powerful, I have 2 Mares and they’re nothing but fanatics spearguns.
Dumb video, totally biased. There are pros and cons to each. You should have titled of this video “we only sell rail guns so please buy them and don’t buy pneumatics.” Or at leas titles it “drawbacks to pneumatics” so that it would have come across as objective
Pneumatic for deep diving sucks lose there power
Yes all you need is a 1/2 inch PVC T connector loads the spear like a charm.Make sure to connect the spear to the gun with a flexible aircraft cable (about 15 feet)
Would be interested in a video with side by side pro and con of each.
The spear loader costs about $3 and I carry a spare one. yes easy to lose, but also a snorkel can get lost as easily. I think pneumatics up to 75 cm are easy to load, and the piston pushes the shaft all the way ti the end,, while the rubber in a rubber band keeps losing momentum and stop pushing the shaft before the shaft has left the speargun. Isn's a 70 cm pneumatic comparable to a 90 / 100 cm band gun? easier to transport too, and you can easily add a n action camera with velcro. Also spear is thicker so it has more momentum and less likely to bend. Maintenance is simple and you can add some oil once a year. I bought a gauge and my Salvimar Predathor did not lose any pressure in a year. There are advantages for pneumatics. Yes an expensive 100+ cm rubber goon may be better for blue water, but there are pros in pneumatics that this video ignored. Rubbers degrade, after a year they lose power, the pneumatic does not need a new piston or seals every year. Parts for pneumatics are inexpensive, and there are plenty of tutorials on how to service them. They are all more or less similar. When I switched to pneumatic I feel the spear shoots more straight.
bro...can i check with u on your gun what pressure did u usually load it up? and what kind is the biggest fish u would hunt with that pressure? Can u use engine oil like Mobil one of 5 / 50 to lubricate the gun? thanks in advance.
would only use a pneumatic on crays
I believe 20 to 22 bar I have the manometer. I bought SEAC oil for spearguns. It was not expensive, ordered it from a Spanish diving online store. You can go up to 30 bar pressure (I have Salvimar Predathor) but It is way too hard to load. I like that a pneumatic is more compact for the power, easier to attach a camera with a simple velcro wrist strap, and also way faster to reload in choppy water than an open muzzle band gun. I think the video points to some disadvantages without informing on the advantages. No tool is perfect and there is always a compromise and a matter of preference.
@@honyeechou818 I have 2 Salvimar Predathor spearguns. They come at 20 bar, but manual states that you can pressurize up to 30 bar. But that would be really hard to load. 20/22 bar seems pretty good. I bought some SEAC brand speargun oil. You can check online. Since you need to lubricate after a year or 2, depending if you use it often or not, you can order wherever and wait for shipping. I ordered it from Subprof. Also if you look at DeeperBlue forums there are some people who are really knowledgeable on pneumatics including maintenance, repair and upgrades.
@@honyeechou818 NO !!
Can we se a proper review of a pneumatic please?:)
My friend, y was profesional spearfishing in Cuba, and I tested both.
The pneumatic you can load in seconds, the accuracy is better and power depends the size.
@@josechavara nope. Pneumatic is difficult and dangerous to reload and you don't have where to aim and even make a lot of noise when you shoot so it's for beginners now let the pros handle the rubber
@@user-cd1gf1ik7r my friend, I was born in Cuba, I did spearfishing many years 4 days a week at least, and I use to dive more than 120 feet deep. I can te you for me it was easier and faster to load the pneumatic than the band and the shot is more powerful if you have enough air pressure.
My friend get 110 cm pneumatic and you will see the difference or 135 cm if you can load it.
@@josechavara Trust me because i have used pneumatic spearguns many times they are difficult to reload and actually they aren't stronger. A rubber speargun that ha 2 or 3 or even 4 rubbers are much stronger and it's easy to reload because you just pull quickly and boom it's ready!
That was a disappointing video. At least give some pros and cons of both options instead of just saying that it's easier to load a band fun.
I am with you. Actually in choppy water with currents I find easier to load a pneumatic than a open muzzle band gun you have to wrap the line first. Probably it is harder to load a long pneumatic gun, but up to 70 it is easier for me. Also adding some oil once a year is cheaper than replacing the bands.
Do you have branch in Philippines. I really like to buy phneumatic speargun?
I have a 110 mares cyrano and a 115 salvimar carbon. I use them most weekends not a single issue since I bought them about a year ago and for maintenance it just needs a good fresh water rinse and a few drop of oil down the trigger. I made my own loader much safer than those and if you lose it I just wrap a glove around the tip and do it that way. Nothing against rubber guns just find the pneumatic gun much easier and faster to load in my case.
Bought a mares sten for 15$ at a garage sale.. didnt know you needed a loader thingo, ive been loading it fine.. you can ugga dugga em in
That’s a steal! I bought my first mares mini Sten at a pawnshop for $40 never used. It’s a $450 speargun.
Tengo una pregunta un arpón 51 podemos reducirlos ah 40 ?
Thanks good advice 👍🏼✌🏼
It’s pretty obvious which gun he prefers personally.
Soo farr wats better the gazgun or the rubber guns ???????
Amigo soy de RD como ago para consecuir un arpon neumatico de 40 cm y en cusnto me puede salir
You're not out of luck if you lose that little plastic piece to load the pneumatic gun spear .you just use the ground or the reef you're on and press down. Be careful on the reef of course 🙏😁
which one's more stronger？
for short / medium guns usually the pneumatic has more power. You can search youtube with comparisons. Also consider pneumatic guns often have a thicker shaft that may have more momentum
+stefano giovannini
What are you saying? Band guns are much more powerful, trust me, I know.
@@thebabbler8867 Band guns can be more powerful if they have 2 bands and are longer, or if they are rollerguns. . Check videos on YT where the pneumatic guns's shaft completely goes thru a target in a pool and the band gun's shaft does not. The pneumatic's piston pushes the shaft until it leves the gun. The bands lose propulsion power 2/3 half way.the barrel a 75 cm pneumatic gun can generally more powerful than a 90 cm band gun (probably 105 cm actual length). I have both, and there are advantages / disadvantages. Pneumatic is also faster to reload as you can shoot right away without wrapping the line if you need to. Also pneumatic guns usually have a thicker shaft. J.R. Productions did you make any comparisons? have you tried them both? For me one main advantage is that I can travel with a sufficiently powerful speargun that fits in a 32 inch travel bag, to travel with a band gun I may be charged oversize fees by an airline to check a band gun (which are actually longer, as length refers only to the barrel, unlike pneumatics where length refers to the whole speargun)
@@stefpix someon forget talk about Tomba kit which means dry vacum barell. You have to check that speed of spear. Horoble on Cyrano 110. you can get 34 m/sec.
How to release the pressure of the pneumatic gun? How do l know how much air to pump? I bought a pneumatic gun recently & l would like this info thanks Guys
you can use a pin in the back, push in the hole. I bought a manometer gauge, money well spent if you like a pneumatic, you can change pressure without exactly counting the pumps. I ordered it from subprof. Different spearguns have different screw threads, although some have the same. The manometer gets screwed in the rear, there is a pin. if you do not screw it all the way in to make a seal, but in enough the air will come out. You could also use a nail, maybe i'd file the tip of the nail first to make it more blunt, not as sharp.
Wouldn’t another issue with the pneumatic gun come with increased depth? What I’m getting at is wouldn’t the power of the gun become decreased as you descend further because of the gasses inside becoming more and more compressed with the increased pressure?
the pressure inside the pneumatic gun is 20 / 30 bar. at 10 / 20 m depth the difference would be negligible. Plenty of spearfishing champions who use(d) pneumatic guns,
Yes they are less powerful at depth
There is a video on CZcams comparing both types of guns for speed and power using materials in the same manner as tests on all types of guns including ballistic jelly. A double banded gun sent the spear into the jelly. Pierced right though but got stuck in the jelly. Pneumatic went right through and carried on going. What was more noticeable was the how much faster the Pneumatic was. If it is that much more powerful at first then the depths most divers go to are not an issue. If I dived mostly dives at greater depths more pressure can be added. Most guns now come with switch for half or full power. Same as adding or removing bands.
Do u have link for air spear gun ?
Background is full of rubber spear guns....
and the power difference IS!.
I have a small speargun that has no where to attach a reel will I think so I'd like to know how to hook up line on it with or without a reel
short gun, i'd use mono filament. shock absorber and attach a float line to the handle. You do not really need a reel on a short gun.
Can Anybody help me truly understand what bands are best for my Salvimar 85cm K-pro; the original rubbers with the gun are almost useless now. I also have a rail on the bottom.
Pathos Nitro 14 mm x2!!
Why does it take so much force to "load" a co2 gun? What's the point of it being co2 powered then?
It doesn't. This review is a load of rubbish. These are meant to be sportsmen and they have trouble pulling back a spear? I was a pretty flimsy 16 year old when I got my first one and I had no trouble at all. Read a lot of the comments here... you'll get way more proper information.
hm the speargun sir
How much for a fish gun
a band gun is never eaiser to load. a pnuematic gun with a bungie tether is the fastest. Just put the spear in until it clicks. then shoot. no spear alignment. no bands to pull. no bands to break every year. get the longest gun that you can load while resting stock on your foot.
I agree
Worst Adreno vid so far, so biased and just plain wrong. Pneumatics have pros and cons over rubber spearguns, none of which were taken into account in this biased video.
Like what they lose a lot of power at depth air guns suck go old school and you know that you have dinner
@@thomaskitlica5572 Not anymore though ... Modern pneumatics are heaps ahead rubber guns, the power lose due to depth is negligible.
I don't understand how you say power loss is negligible air compresses more for every atmosphere you go down might be ok for free diving but what about scuba at deep depths
@@thomaskitlica5572 A Salvimar darkside or Predaror can be powered at 30+ bars, so even at 100 feet + you will have more than enough power to wack anything that you may cross your path with ...
Ok haven't used one since the early 90s and they lost significant power at depth
Why spearguns dont have butstocks and come with only a pistol grip. Wouldnt be better to have a chickrest built into it like rifles?
One of reasons is that the recoil would probably break your collarbone.
No thry dont, bc you jeed to extend your arm to shoot the fish and aim better
@@urb6857 no it wouldn’t. Recoil is like non existent compared to my magnum pistols/rifles.
@@zackzittel7683 was joking, its a stupid idea to begin with
Make more spearfishing videos
Wrong,made in Italy Mares pneumatic spear guns must be loaded under water!! Don't know about other brands, but believe me failure to do so Will result in downfall of the gun.
Yikes thats dangerous to load
Pneumatic is way bloody easyer just use a god dam rock to load
He didn't what's talking.
rubber guns are quieter, will not spook the fish around.
airguns more power for the size and no worries about breaking a rubber.
your bubbles determine how close you get to the fish, not the noise of the gun
Why didn't you talk about power loss for pneumatic guns at depth they suck
Rubber spearguns are much better. More reliable and more powerful.
My Salvimar Predathor did not lose any pressure from last year. Only maintenance is rinsing in fresh water and maybe in a few months add some oil. Sand can be more of an issue, but trigger mech is sealed and you get no sand there. With band guns you need to replace rubbers every year or you lose power, and are slower to reload / wrap in choppy seas. Band guns are easier to carry on a float unloaded, it is nice to have both.
it is not. very complicated and sensitive. also need much more time to prepare for shoot. Lot of unnecesary things which make lot of confusion. Try Dry Vacum kit on top of pneumatic gun. You will be very suprize.
Im lime the video just i can understand all ir u can put subtitules or audio in spanish please
You speaking really crap brother !!
You really don’t have a clue of what are you saying