Spicy Talk on Modesty | Forward Boldly
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Christine Niles sits down with Laura Vander Vos of the Mrs. Happy Catholic podcast to talk about what true modesty is - and isn't.
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I’m happy to see women and young girls wearing dresses and skirts in church. Men also dressing nicely. When I lived in California, I saw many young women dressing tight shirts, spaghetti straps & shorts.
Same thing when I lived in New York
today in my hospital all Crosses have been taken down in every room where we are supposed to heal and well cared for
Very much luke-warm catholics not speaking up.
I spoke up but will have to remain calm for the moment
Why do they need to take down all the crosses there? Demonic ! God bless us all. Amen
Modesty is mirroring God, in the World. If it doesn't give glory to God, don't wear it. No matter what🎉.
Amen!!
Amen!
Modesty is that yes, God made us beautiful, but he never meant for us to expose it without Modesty to everyone.
Thank you ladies! I appreciate both of you so much!
WOMEN LOOK SO DIGNIFIED WHEN THEY DRESS MODESTO
I agree that God has given us the gift of common sense. I can feel something in my conscience when a cloth is not appropriate. I do not like very short and tight clothes no matter where I go. The love for the neighbor is reflected even in our Modesty!
Our lady keep you
I always discuss with my daughter about her dress. She understood that without wearing any vulgar dresses can be look beautiful. She puts her makeup simple way. I think if parents explain well they will understand. In my church some girls are wearing very protective dresses during the Sunday service. My parents taught me now I'm passing this my daughter.
I just semi retired from the fashion industry and have spent time reevaluating my style. I now ask myself when I get dressed on Sunday mornings, if Jesus was looking back at me through the mirror would I be ashamed or ready to see him face to face. I make sure my necklines aren’t plunging, my bra straps aren’t exposed, my pants aren’t too tight or my dresses aren’t too short. It’s not difficult to dress appropriately for mass. Classic and age appropriate looks beautiful. I love my fashion but there’s a time and a place to go extra just not in Mass. Parents also need to set the standard so the children learn how to dress appropriately for Mass especially before they hit the teen years. I agree with Christine that parents, parish leaders, speakers, need to talk to young women about self worth, respect and dignity. Social media and the culture can really put a lot of pressure on our youth.
The other thing that we are told is that if we are fasting, we should not look like we are fasting and comb our hair and make ourselves look presentable and nice
Recovering Traditionalists? I am afraid to ask about what nonsense THAT means…Lukewarm must be the new fad 🙄🤔
I’m taking a course on dressmaking so I can have more options in how I dress. I’m also a an avid knitter and make most of my jumpers and cardigans. I prefer trousers to dresses and I’m not a ‘girly’ woman, but I do like to look nice. Making my own clothes has made me really think about how and why I dress the way I do. As it takes a lot of time and effort to make something the finished product needs to be something I really really like. I don’t make things you can buy in a store, what would be the point of that? I try to make things that speak to the dignity of being made in the image and likeness of God. I’m not saying I always succeed in that, but I keep trying.
But aren't Catholics supposed to be differentiating themselves from Secular Society's " Dress Code " ?
Did you listen to the video? Just listen and your question will be answered.
St. Padre Pio died Sept 23, 1968. He knew of the " Mini-Dresses " & other clothing that women & girls wear- that men & boys were more inclined to initiate lustful thoughts.
I think Laura nailed it!
If you're ever in doubt..... Read about St. Padre Pio & his thoughts & demands. He had "Dress Code" for Confessional ! Beautiful girls & women don't need make-up.
Great Quote: Do not put burdens on yourselves or other people that God didn't made us to bear 37:40
Modesty imo is not wearing super tight clothing, extremely short skirts or shorts, and low cut tops. For church, cover your shoulders. I've seen young ladies in shorts barely covering their buttocks, or going up to do reading in shorts exposing half their thighs! Just no. People have lost a sense of decorum. And by the altar!?
The Church should consistently impose a dress code for all. Years ago, my parish tried to do that but there was resistance and they backed down and it’s back to anything goes.
Yes. It's distracting and that's the problem.
@@andreweppink4498 it’s not only that. It’s about the reverence due to God.
The Problem with not having a strict code for girls & women, is that you can always say that your not dressing provocatively by comparing to the way other females dress.
That's not the catholic way, if you want submission go for Islam...
Another issue is how women will overspent on clothing, jewelry, make-up and accessories to the point of going into debt and causing deficits in necessities of others they live with.
A woman who sold pants in her retail store in Vancouver went to Confession in Italy to St. Padre Pio and was refused Absolution.... " He commanded her to return home to Canada and dispose of all this stock, and not to give any of the items to people who might wear them, and if she wanted his Absolution, she could come back to Italy and receive it, only after she ruthlessly carried out his orders." - A.M. , biographical writer
I have heard this a lot- could you please give a source?
@@erinm3298 it's online Erinm- think it's under " Padre Pio's Dress Code " & go from there.......
Cool stuff
Christine Niles: Brushing your teeth is modest.😂
That clothing shop she plugged is so expensive. Who the heck can afford a $200 dress? Gimme a break.
There's a very high quality lace dress for $198, but the most popular dresses are $100 or less with the discount 😉
@@audreycole2376Well I don't know what dresses you're referring to because if you go to that home page, there is literally NOT ONE dress under $100. They were all $170+. It just gave me a flashback to an episode where Christine Niles asked us to pray for her that she would be able to bring her kids to Rome and surrounding areas so they would have that experience. Really??? That's what we should be praying for? Newsflash that most of us our living paycheck to paycheck and have no money for our future. And it's not because we haven't worked just as hard as her all these years. Try working in a warehouse/factory for $15/hr and see how many trips to Rome we'll ever take. So out of touch with the rest of us poor people.
@@kermierogers7876 Women who are price conscious use promo codes and spend $75-150 on the dresses. We aren't privy to people's personal lives and we don't know how hard they have worked or how disciplined they are with their personal budget in order to make larger purchases. I do know it's difficult for most of us in the economy, especially with prices at the grocery store
@@kermierogers7876 please do not assume because she is a newscaster on Church Militant that she makes a ton of money. I knew a friend who applied for a job. It was very much just average pay. All of the money released from Church Militant is by donation the person who started church militant Michael Forrest has taken out many loans just to get the word out besides that this converse. is about modesty some people may buy less clothes than others and purchase something more quality but unless we shouldn’t be making assumptions about anybody just because they promote a website for a friend the basics of this is modesty in behavior Andreas. I think the criticism is. Miss placed
Awesome maybe these dresses can be used for a special occasion at church or wedding. A lot of clothing, these days is made cheaper because of where it is produced, and in some cases slave labor is used like China
Ridiculous but TRUE!
The Pastors are not doing their job in my Parish and most other parishes I have visited -regarding talking in church, chewing gum when going up to communion, or immodest dress.If the Laity can be extraordinary Eucharistic ministers, lectors, and other liturgical ministers because the shortage of priests or other duties he has, then the Laity can certainly tactfully tell other brothers & sisters when they are giving scandal in the liturgy.
Yes, restore the dignity. Wear pretty things, nice light make-up. Trousers only when up on ladders or moving home Michael Matt had a lovely photo of Charlie's Angel's in the 70s and they nailed it.
I live in Australia, and in our church, on early Sunday Mass (that I use to like to attend, because I have plenty of time to cook family lunch!) we have young girl that comes in low cut top, and "hot pants", and she is Eucharistic minister! Most of the people attending that Mass are elderly men, and my husband is laughing how they are salivating looking at that girl. I tried to talk to few of our priest, with lady that is coordinator of ordinary, (they are on every Mass, so nothing extraordinary about them!) ministers, and nothing happened. I like my Sunday Mass, but we started attending Saturday evening Mass, because I am discussed with that behaviour. Should I take pictures, and send a letter to Archbishop, or just let it go, and let them all answer to God for their behaviour?
To the Bishop but with signatures of other participants
I just went on the website. Most of the dresses range from about 142 at the lowest 77 but the quality is very well and I believe a lot of the products possibly may be made here or has ethical payments for their sellers and the people which makes the clothes which could account for a price they have a 20% discount as well. There is about one. with clothing, so I am assuming that it is no more than 30 items. It’s a very quick look and the website seems to be very well intact. I would suggest this for people that like quality clothing . as well as simple but elegant style. I have seen dresses of similar quality cost more
I learned this on census for bdellium. Therefore, I thought that this is how I should dress being careful to not judge anybody but always dressing in this way mostly at church, and when I went far away from home, I still try to cover now as I am a person in a wheelchair, so wearing a short skirt might not be wise I As well as some dresses that go a little below the knee because sometimes in certain situations, it doesn’t come out modest this is where I will use leggings, not how most people would use them. I would assume the next part of modesty is language, and working on that as well as getting angry at people or in public these things Are not modest in most cases
As a Man I appreciate this. We are very visual in nature when it comes to sex. It's how we are made. Yes with, prayer, living a pious life, discipline and all of that we can control it .
But when ladys are dressed immodest when we first see it our minds go there even if it's for a half a second before we can tamp down on our thoughts or advert our eyes. Our thoughts still go there,, now depending on what we see and on the man will all depend on how far the thoughts go. And those thoughts are sinful in a lustfull nature.
So I appreciate this not only is it good for Women but it helps us Men keep out thoughts and eyes from straying where they shouldn't stray.
And yes I realize it's a 2 way street.
But the fight against men having lustfull thoughts towards women they see in public in large parts takes both men and women taking steps to avoid it.
Women in dress and men in attitude, prayer and discipline.
Also as a side note to a good Catholic Man looking for a wife a modest Woman both in dress and attitude is a very attractive quality in a Woman.
And again yes Modesty is a 2 way street.
We need more shows and topics like this. I feel many traditional catholic girls miss the boat. Many don’t do their hair , or fix themselves up, men our visual creatures and I’m sure they want to attract a husband.
Dress can change within a culture not just from culture to culture. There should be objective standards to which men and women can aspire. Otherwise, the common sense of a society will become a standard which may or may not be reflective of true modesty. Can we say that the current popular norms are in line with the Catholic virtue of modesty?
there are 3 priests who do the Mass in the convent
One morning 8am the priest doing the Mass arrives in jeans
the other 2 priests arrive in shorts
That probably can only happen in Novus Ordo parishes .
Protective camouflage?
Thank you for going over this cause I have so many questions.
Though I didn't realize looking kinda of dischevled is a sin.
I kinda do that a lot. I'm gonna have to work on that.
Looking disheveled isn’t necessarily a sin. Nor did either lady say it is.
Houston 9 months of the year is as hot as Hades.
But I wonder. We have a sporting goods store called Academy. They have this Magellan line of polos and fishing shirts.
But these shirts are of human made naterials which look good and look good.
Why doesn't some shirt company take these materials, and produce nice shirts snd dresses?
It gets so hot, I have taken one of these polo or fish shirts, use a formal rad with slide, a cool vest, plus beret. When the heat index is over 105, and church AC iffy,it does provide that good balance.
I am waiting for cold weathet so I can start eraring a formal cape, walking stick ans Top Hat.
My dear mom, God rest her soul, who I loved very much but nobody is perfect. She was not happy with me and would tell me so if I didn't wear makeup, fix my hair a certain way, and generally could be critical, not only me but even my brothers. It bothered me and after I told her how much her criticisim hurt me emotionally she changed and stopped obsessing over our differences in this area and actually started complimenting me on other areas that she appreciated. Sometimes you have to be humble and have conversation.
10 bucks says they never define modesty in this discussion.
Where's my 10 bucks?😂
There is a majjjjoorrr problem with modesty I am with the trads on this 🤗
if they cover their heads while praying and at Mass; then their perspective may be worth hearing.
Good episode.
Though, I don't see The Blessed Mother wareing Pants. Especially Blue Jeans. But, in fairness, on my behalf, that's my own speculation.
Pax Christi! Iesu et Maria Amat te!
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No one was wearing blue jeans in 1st century Palestine because they didn’t exist. The same goes for moister wicking undershirts, zippers and Velcro.
Jesus didn't wear pants either. 🤣
What does this have to do with Madonnas world tour!?
Modest and elegantly dressed girl makes it appear a good marriage material.
Men don't like other men to scrutinize their woman.
Why is not wearing make-up considered wrong or disrespectful? I find it a waste of time, money, and energy. Doesn't true beauty come from the inside radiating outwards? Isn't it more respectful to consider how money and time are spent?
Totally agree. I don't get the makeup thing at all.
Clothing that isn't tight fitting & not accentuating the breasts, buttocks & curves. Sleeves close to the elbow & dress length to the knees.
I think it’s enough to cover the shoulders but not necessarily close to the elbows- it’s too unbearably hot and humid in my country for that. But l can agree on the clothes covering the knees and non-low cut necklines as that is necessary when one has to kneel down to receive holy communion on the tongue. For also practical reasons, it’s probably better not to be trapped in body hugging clothes while one has to be seated down for over an hour for the mass.
@@Maris_S28 The shirt can be loose fitting & still close to the elbow. It's a lot hotter in Purgatory. Read of a woman in Purgatory for showing too much of her arms.....
It distract me and upsets me to see ladies wearing spaghetti traps and mini skirts in church. I avoid Spanish masses because of it but I see in other masses the same. 😢
Define modesty please. Muslims can, why can't the Catholics? Jesus is an Arab as he spoke Aramaic dialect of Arabic, and modesty for men and women has been well defined since then.
Jesus wasn’t an Arab. He was an Israelite. He spoke Aramaic but his blood is Jewish. He was born in the territory of Herod Archelaus, a Jewish king.
No, Jesus was not an Arab. Aramaic was spoken by the Jews as well. Second, modesty in Islam is not the same as modesty in Catholicism. We can see the difference today when women are forced to wear hijabs and only their eyes are showing in some Islamic countries. That's not modesty. That's control. Modesty is more than just dress. It is also in speech, action and thought. Modesty is something that both men and women have to take into account.
Jesus was a Hebrew.
"Suspicious that everybody has that struggle"; Look at the abortion and "family planning", the lack of valid marriages and divorce. it isn't about men or women in the church seeing you and being aroused so much as it is about doing GOD's Will. but women in the pews be like when it comes to dress "Do what thou will". So When they cover their heads in prayer; perhaps they are modest enough to give opinion. but then again it isn't like people really want to get rid of scandal in the church. Face it; it is desired so long as your will is done. Most of the clothing are terrible fads anyhow; clinging to trash and a portion just look awful..
If women are getting shamed for immodest wear [whether it actually is or not], it's BY OTHER WOMEN
Actually, it's not always by other women. I've heard it from men too.
Hey ladies, man here. If you want some hard and fast rules on modesty: WHATEVER CANDACE OWENS WEARS.
Wow a real stab at the female Muslim dress code there.
The girl interviewing Christine sounds super annoying. Christine is a much better public speaker, and should give this woman some lessons on how to emote in a non-cacophonous manner.
You sound super annoying….
This is Weird…”God gave us beauty, and wants us to show it” ? As in … show it off to others…. Which is exactly what you meant, with all in agreement…No, I do Not believe that our Lord Jesus Christ wants women to flaunt their beautiful bodies. True Beaty is in the Soul of a person, God cares nothing at all about outward beauty. Any reasonable adult Knows what modesty is, this is ridiculous. If you feel the need for validation in your dress, something may be amiss. And $200.00 dresses? No thank you.
From modest dress to mini discussion on sex…. What’s with this show? We know you work out, we see you’re pretty, saw previous show about you wondering if your dress is immodest, Enough focusing on beautiful bodies, sex, marital, or otherwise… Some woman want to wear form fitting clothing, low necklines, etc., so that others will notice them for their bodies, and for what? Do your actions glorify God, does your dress glorify God? Getting so world weary. God bless Church Militant. Lord have mercy.
So in other words you didn’t listen to the video like most of the other commenters. Christine is not saying people have to go out and buy a $200 dress but she kindly wanted to put a plug in for her friend who owns a modest dress company. The point of this video very obviously went over your head.
That's where I stopped listening...
@@AnaMT1985 I understood very well, it is you, I’m afraid, that doesn’t understand.
@@jojackson1573 It often seems to be something odd on this show. “Spicy Talk” I mean people that want to hear spicy talk are tuning in to garbage tv. 🙄