A NEW Charismatic Renewal? W/ Dr. Mary Healy
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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 1. 07. 2024
- I chat with Dr. Mary Healy about the charismatic renewal, praying to the Holy Spirit, and miracles taking place today.
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Brilliant interview! I am gaining an appreciation for both Matt and Mary now. I am a former Pentecostal and now feeling greatly propelled into the CCR movement somehow, some way. It is going to be very interesting to see where the Lord is going to take me in all this! Never in a million years would I ever have thought I would be where I am in my faith journey, but what a ride as a new convert it has been so far! Praise you and your ways, Jesus. Your will be done, Father. Come, Holy Spirit, we need you!
St. Augustine said, "As there are many stars in the sky, there are different ways to praise God". There is room for all of us in the Catholic Church.
Awesome bro !
Beautiful quote that I didn't knew about! Thanks for sharing
Well said , I love the communion of saints . đ
except trads, latin mass lovers...they are persecuted
I think augustin ment you can pray home, go to mass, do charity... I dont think he ment you can jump around, clap hands, scream and call it praising God
I have to say I experienced the Baptism in the Holy Spirit in 1974. It was powerful and transformational. My love for the Lord, and the Word has never waned but has grown. At 74 I am still on fire for the Trinity. I lived in New Orleans when the Holy Spirit fell on that city and surrounding areas like a tidal wave because of the move of God that fell on that small group of Catholic students up north in the late 60âs (I canât remember the college name maybe Notre Dame). I had a friend who took me to my first charismatic meeting in 1973. Back then they were held in the priest rectory. I didnât totally understand what was happening but it was beautiful. Just a handful of people singing and praying and sharing. I never experienced anything wild or emotional ever at any meeting. It took me a whole year to pray and study about it. I remember reading Pat Boonâs book A New Song about he and his familyâs experience with the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. But When I read the book of Acts about how the Holy Spirit fell upon the 120 souls in the upper room at Pentecost and this is the kicker that Mary, the blessed Mother was there and received the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues I was sold. By that time, a year latter, they held the meetings in the church and every Friday evening a city wide prayer meeting was held at Loyola University and nuns and priests and Catholics packed out the students auditorium. Mass was the most beautiful powerful God filled holy presence that was tangible and visible like a smoke filled the place and was heaven on earth. Most joyous. Everything came alive and reading the Bible all made sense. Seek the Baptism in the Holy Spirit and evidence of tongues. Tongues is a supernatural gift the Holy Spirit gives that is a powerful prayer language and the Holy Spirit prays Godâs perfect Will through us. You life your walk will be taken to new life in Him. â€
I was baptized in the Holy Spirit at 14 in 1974, too. A lifetime of walking with Jesus in the power of the Holy Spirit is amazing! Welcome Him into your life and the Book of Acts of the Apostles will come alive! Praise the Lord!
Listening to Dr Healy made me emotional .. nothing is impossible with God. Praying for healing for my husband âŠ. To recover from his ailments and in set of confusion and dementia.
Prayers sent to your husband and you! đâ€ïžđ
I so enjoyed this conversation about charismatic renewal. Beautiful explanations by Dr. Healy.
I appreciate the way Matt respectfully pushes back in his interviews these days. It makes these exchanges so much more valuable. It makes them attractive to a much larger audience too.
I agree. I would say that listening to Tool with ears that can hear is indeed worshipping God.
It does! But it doesnât come off as offensive it just comes off as dynamic. Good for him. Dude is really coming into his niche!
the pushback... Indeed!
Push Back !!!
" And Saul's daughter Michal was " Childless " until the day she died !!!
2 Samuel, 5 - 23
Dr Mary makes it so understandable and there is a real anointing on her. Thank you
I couldnât go to church as a child but have always had the love and direction of the Holy Spirit in my life as I was baptized Catholic as a baby. As an adult attending Mass the whole Trinity is present and thereâs not a moment thatâs not exciting and filled with the sacred. In experiences with the Holy Spirit I have learned that there needs to be both deep solemn worship of the Lord Jesus and then the joy and happiness that is experienced as children of God.
What an admirable God's woman and God's daugther. I am really touched by the clarity and humility that she communicates in her manner to be.
I attended a life in the spirit seminar a few years ago and it really changed my life.
Deception always comes as something pleasurable
This was an incredible interview. Thank you so much to everyone who made this happen. It was spiritually enriching to watch
as a new convert, what drew me to the catholic church was traditional, traditional morals and history of teaching spanning 1000s of years. It tires me living in a world that praises new, modern, ,move on, forget the past, experiment, do it different. The church service is a time for me to concentrate on one thing, it then allows me to sort out all the other things in the crazy world. I loved dance music as a kid but dont want that being played while i concentrate on the one simple thing. im afraid Dr Mary this sounds like a new church, I want the old to keep me focused as the new world made me loose my focus.
The Catholic Church is a universal Church and caters for a few saints and the rest of us sinners. Praise God.
Brother, the Caholic Church has place for diferente ways of living our faith. Four popes have already apologized the charismatic renewal, and I said, as a brazilian, the Renewal created saints in our country. We can see how this moviment increases the numbers of conversion , vocations and stuff. Open your heart and see how it saved de Church for more than 50 years.
there are varieties of flavors in Liturgy, just go to a more traditional parish , heck i do BOTH,
I work a lot with new converts, it can be confusing, just choose your flavor and try not to judge (so long as they are following the deposit of the faith!)
if the truth is that unimportant to you, go for it
My parents who love latin mass, and rightly done novus ordo, spent 2 decades having their faith set on fire through the Charismatic Renewal whose effects in instilling faith like at Pentecost where the Mother of God and all Apostels were present at the Church's first meeting (how more trad than that?) are unmatched - know them by their fruits. CR continues to do that work of the first meeting, setting faith on fire, and vast majority interestingly! come out passionate about the Church's teachings and very open to latin mass, tradition, etc. i.e. because the Holy Spirit is present there with real power, i.e. God in the Church doing His work for a renewed Church, saving souls. Very serious stuff, not to be easily dismissed, at least not with intellectual honesty.
@@T_dog1 eh. People get prickly.
@@respetoirrestricto Beautifully said.
@@T_dog1 Reading the comments here, it seems that the arrogant ones are those against the charismatic renewal, you are all over the place spreading negativity. Don't throw stones at other people's houses when you live in a house of glass.
@@T_dog1 ahh, i'm a bit strong, it's my irish temperament, you're right i get a bit over passionate also, but i try to speak my mind... meantime, you're not afraid also to tell us what is and isn't orthodox... Trevor, I'd gladly have a beer with you, i'm sure we'd be in furious agreement on many topics... forgive me, the goal is only to thrash things out and we help each other challenge and clarify our existing ideas and beliefs - all fair in love and war... hug! Have a nice evening! Sincerely
@@T_dog1 Now that I look at what i wrote above - a factual testimony of my parents' long life experience.... i find it ironically harsh that you call sharing that honest testimony, 'arrogant'. logically, why ? Bold maybe? Read it three times, strongly worded ok, but the content is a factual account of real human experience... i don't totally get it, Trevor... though i'm sorry we can't meet face to face because i think we'd have much in common! Sorry for this rude forum. Meantime, it's true i like a bit of combative dialogue which can be misunderstood. Alasdair MacIntyre said, we should always learn from our interlocutor - well, i can always improve in humility, so, thanks anycase.
Thanks for this. Dr. Healy speaks so much sense. I loved her prayer. It's wonderful to know that Jesus is alive today and working in the Church, in the hearts of God's children. Praise the Lord!
Dr. Mary had the most amazing address to same-sex attraction. She was phenomenal in it. Explaining how they are loved, while not letting them off the hook.
Yes. I view it several times.
Wow. This moved me. Thank you for this lovely guest.
Thank you for having Dr Mary Healey on your show!!! What a great testimony to God's work in people's lives. As far as excesses go, of course there can be extremes on either end of the spectrum... And of course we should exercise caution, without quenching the Holy Spirit âïžâŠïž I am deeply moved by the presence of Jesus in the consecrated host... And feel we should have deep reverence for God at Holy Mass âŠïžâïž however I have also attended healing masses charismatic... And found them to be beautiful as well đ
I feel very emotional at Mass and often cry while praying the Rosary and reading Scripture. God is alive! He wants to LIVE THROUGH US!!! This was great, thank you Matt and Mary. â€đđŒâ€ïž
Great show. I loved listening to the good Dr's honest and simple answers. Matt is such a real human being. Finally, the music at the end is soooooooo beautiful. I'm a subscriber now.
That kind of encounter with the Lord seals you with conviction. Yes? Alleluia!
There is a Charismatic group in Augusta, GA, the Alleluia Community, and they are ecumenical, but the current majority are Catholic. Iâm talking the most devout Catholics I have ever seen. Devout in how they give, faithful to the Magisterium, feeding the poor, rejecting contraception, often attending the Latin Mass in the area as well. And the interesting thing about their ecumenism is that itâs not about forgetting oneâs traditionâŠitâs about putting down oneâs pride and putting Jesus on the throne.
Ecumenism is dethroning Christ The King!!
@@roexvt630 k thanks!
@@roexvt630why is that?
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Itâs a dogma of the Faith
âOutside The Church There is No Salvationâ.
Ecumenism denies this dogma by placing all religions on an equal level. It also goes against the First Commandment, its grave sin to interact or pray with false religions.
@@roexvt630 it is sad that you exclude faithful Christians outside the Catholic Church. Plus, Vatican II states that the purpose is to âfoster union with all faithful Christiansâ. I donât think this dogma (no salvation outside the Catholic Church) helps the Catholic image.
No one can say Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit. Amen. I love Dr. Mary Healy; she is so clear and beautiful. She is good at revealing God's beauty. Thank you for having her on Pints with Aquinas.
I appreciated this discussion. As a former protestant, who was exposed to the protestant version of the charismatic renewal on a regular basis, I would only share similar concerns as I might to any movement within the church in regards to guarding against excesses. And just as I consider myself a traditionalist, but find many of excesses in the rad-trad camp problematic, I am sure the same exists in the charismatic renewal. As a protestant, seeing a certain giving into emotionalism, performance, false or pretended gifts, etc. But otherwise, within the proper bounds of the Church, their is room for this movement as well, and the Spirit has worked through them to the good.
One particular point of concern is in the understanding of the gifts. I'm not sure how it is in the Catholic Charismatic Movement, but in the protestant, everyone claimed to exercise any manner of gift from healing, to tongues, to prophesy. Where the scriptures are very clear, that the Lord distributes the gifts as He sees fit, that there is need of every member of the body. To the effect that not just anyone can prophesy, or speak in tongues. This is one aspect of Charismatic belief that I found troubling and doctrinally erroneous.
Catholic Charismatic Renewal is loaded with phonies and theatrical gimmicks, which is why there is no place for this in the Mass. Go do this stuff in someone else's house but not the Lord's house. There is nothing sacred about it, and tends to divide more than unite.
I quite like Jacques Philippe's book In the School of the Holy Spirit. He outlines how the saints say we can be faithful to the Holy Spirit.
I'm still hearing this about gifts. A friend has been training with Dr. Healy and came back saying we can all have all the charisms! đ€·ââïž
I don't trust that.
@@melissahanks4896 Actually, it's perfectly possible for a person or more people to be given many if not all of the gifts; the issue is whether or not literally ALL people can get ALL the gifts. St. Paul in Scripture explicitly recognises some people have multiple gifts, not just one or two, even as he also recognises not everyone gets the same gifts or all of them. So what your friend said could be interpreted in that way; but I don't know the full context so could be wrong in my interpretation.
â@@melissahanks4896 - Trust Scripture since it is the Word of God, not some speculation. Read 1 Corinthians 14 and see that God can give His gifts and His grace to all who are open to Him! He is the true Giver of His Spirit to us!
I grew up in a community very influenced by charismatic theology. I was never able to feel the way they say I was supposed to, or let loose in worship the way they say I was supposed to. As a result, for years I avoided thinking about faith because every time I did I despaired because I thought I wasnât good enough. It wasnât until I dived into other theological traditions that I was able to feel spiritually fulfilled. Charismaticism is fine for those with the right disposition I suppose, but it was only ever damaging to me.
that's a very honest story, and i find your view perfectly ok and valid. But i think some in the movement are immature, so if they said you had to feel something (a misunderstanding possible in a movement that includes emotion though not exclusively), then they didn't need to say that to you. the more mature would have said, "you are good enough, and fine in your very honest reactions". meantime, God seems to be moving here in some people's lives... i'm sorry for you in that expericene, i hear you, i respect it greatly. but keep a door open if you ever feel like trying another group, but be cool, don't expect much. maybe just celebrate some people benefit and come to Christ there... you're awesome, man!
I totally get what your saying. Ironically I think I was able to experience some of the spiritual things the charismatic talk about only after growing in love with God through the longstanding traditions of the Church. There is definitely pressure, albeit unintentional, to feel or experience certain things in charismatic prayer.
@@bernadettegalvin7768 possibly you're right. I think they want people to meet God, so the intention is certainly good.
I'd like to affirm what you say here, and simply add that the inverse experience is also common. We're fickle people, and God only knows why we are so reactionary to this or that stimulus.
My experience with a community was 40 years ago. But that doesn't invalidate my experience and it doesn't automatically assume that the same things may not be going on today. I never received the gift of tongues, and was made to feel "less than". The leader of the Life In The Spirit Seminar asked who wasn't speaking in tongues. Some of us raised our hands, and we were "rebaptized" in the Spirit. I also noticed that when I did "speak in tongues", I was actually just imitating the leader. If I had stood there and said nothing, I don't know what would have happened! I would be careful. I have heard stories of people who knew Latin and were listening to some of the utterances that were coming out of someone's mouth. The people who were speaking in Latin were profaning God. We are to test the spirits, but even the fortune tellers say that they need to be careful that the wrong spirits don't get a foothold in.
One more thing: I have heard about training people to manifest the gifts of the spirit. I have to agree with one of the posters here. Very dangerous. That's what the new agers do. The bible and the church clearly state that we are not to do that! God is the one who chooses what gifts He will bestow upon us, not us!
Absolutely Dr. Mary Healy nailed it. Thank you Matt Fradd for doing it. Loads of love from India.đ„
Nicely produced video, Matt, and whoever might be helping you! Best of luck in finding someone with whom to collaborate in creating such great content.
59:56 Regarding music, when I experienced Catholic Charismatic Renewal for the first time, I realized the truth of the words I was singing. "I want to be holy, set apart for You, Lord. I choose to be holy... ready to do Your will." It changed my life, my husband's life; it changed everything. And we are still involved 30 years later. â€
Matt Fradd, that is it! That is it! Minute 49:40ish Dr Healey says that the reason her charismatic Masses are so beautiful is because everyone is there to worship God! My husband and I and our children go to the TRaditional Latin Mass in Pittsburgh and we have been trying to find a way to tell people why we go there, why we love it. Lately I have been beginning with, we love it because everyone single person is there to worship God! Praise the Lord! It is the same reason! Letâs build a bridge on that!
We have so many beautiful Catholic hymns. I for one prefer these during the celebration of Mass, secular praise and worship music has its place, please not during Mass. Not everyone is charismatic.
I agree
Thank you for such a wonderful prayer of praise and thanksgiving, Dr Healy. Thank you, Matt, for bringing this wonderful program so that we could hear the beauty of prayer in alignment with Jesus. May Catholics everywhere come to experience the saving power of Jesus, and seek a deeper love through the Holy Spirit. Jesus is at work in His Holy Church, and as His children, He longs to teach us more and more!
Thank you Mat & Dr Healey - we went through CR decades ago & the seeds of that great blessing are still bearing wonderful fruit. Dr H has explained it so well. Her students are very blessed to have her in their midst. Praying the Lord will continue to bless your ministries đđŒâ€ïž Philomena
Thank you so much Dr. Healy for this uplifting talk on the beauty of Charismatic Mass and Praise and Worship.
I'd listen to Dr. Healy any day. Good interview.
27:05 Dr. Healy's prayer of praise.
Great interview!
Digging your show brother. Thanks
We needed a discussion like this. It is strengthening for the mind and spirit! Dr. Mary Healy radiates the goodness of God!
Thank you!
Excellent video. What a great speaker who gives a clear understanding on being Charismatic. Makes perfect sense. God bless, John Emmanuel Music
I was a member for many years of Dr. Haley's parish. The Mass is celebrated with tremendous reverence, and charismatic is integrated into the liturgy in a peaceful way. I wish people who fear charismatic worship would check out that parish!
Can I ask what it means to add the charismatic renewal to the Mass? Iâm of the opinion that it shouldnât be added at all, as the Mass is, well, the Mass, and itâs inappropriate to make changes. So Iâd be interested to know what exactly you mean by that. :)
@@liviagracie1443I know this is a rather old question, but I thought I'd answer because it's important. I too am a former member and deeply love this parish (I entered the Church and was married there, but then God called us to move out of state).
The Charismatic renewal isn't "added" to the Mass, but, as Martha said, integrated. The liturgy is not changed (and often the original Latin/Greek words are used for Mass parts), but there is greater participative reverence by the lay people: they actually sing for starter! the corporate Mass parts are truly their own "Kyrie - Lord have mercy" - is truly penitential, while the "Gloria" is a joyful acclimation of praise.
The Eucharist is reverenced deeply; the true Presence on the altar is adored from the moment of consecration throughout the duration, with appropriate postures of adoration to the King.
There may be certain physical postures that people take as they participate in the Mass parts that encourage participation. For example, a bowed head and hands held out for the Kyrie, or joyful hands raised for the Gloria or great Amen. These are simply outward signs of inward expression.
In addition, outside of Mass (at least in the past) they have had wonderful prayer meetings, healing ministries, courses on deepening your spiritual life (Doctors of the Church, etc.)
Thank you for this episode.
Good listening, Joseph!
A great interview Matt. Mary Healy is a really fine exegete and a wonderful Catholic evangelist. The grace of the Charismatic Renewal has been profound blessing in my life for over 38 years.There is no question it has made me a better Catholic. I remember with gratitude celebrating a charismatic mass with St. John Paul II in his private chapel in 1985 as part of a charismatic youth conference in Rome. Being with exuberant, faith-filled young Catholics so obviously gave him a lot of joy.
My oldest sister shared with me her experience with the charismatic movement my husband joined first and this helped us, we became better Catholics. Praise the Lord!!!
That was in 1974. My husband experienced the gifts of the Holy Spirit. Once you experience the love of The Holy Spirit you'll never be the same. Praise the Lord!!!!
I especially love the part where you, Matt say (if you read this in september back online), that kind of "even though" Dr. Healy got her doctorate and is a biblical scholar, she still knows the Lord is at work.
I can totally relate. I am a physician and it's so hard for me to get the theory (He IS alive, He IS reigning NOW) into my heart and live this truth (not only "as if it were true"). We are cynical and sceptical for all the reasons mentioned by Dr. Healy. We are children of our age which is so antithetical to the transcendent.
Wonderful â đâ đ„đ„đ„đđđđâ đâ đâ đđ„đ„đ„â đâ â€ïžâ â€ïžâ â€ïžâ Truly a God filled interview.
Simple songs of praise touches my â â€ïž and connects me in a deeper way to Praise and Worship God.
just weeping in gratitude for the prayers!
Great interview. Mary Healy is amazing and knowledgeable. Look to the NewTestament to see the way the Holy Spirit changed the apostles. Being Charismatic is part of our heritage. Part of the very Church established by Jesus. We do not have to be Charismatic OR Traditional, we can we both. I say âyesâ to all.
You could also just leave the church and become a Protestant like you want to be deep down. I'm sure the Holy Rollers would love to have you.
The separation between âscienceâ and âpassionâ in our cultural is the direct effect of Cartesian Dualism. RenĂ© Descartes popularized the view that the mind and the body are separate entities, such that their activities have no significant bearing upon the other. Think âghost in the machineâ. The Catholic Church rightly teaches that the body and mind (soul) are harmoniously interconnected and interdependent, holding that the activities of the body affect the soul and the activities of the soul affect the body.
Exactly!
25:00 She points to Merlin Caruthers' book "prison to praise" for a great tool to maintain sensitivity of the presence of the Holy Spirit. It is true. It works. Thank you Jesus for showing my time at Steubenville was not wasted......
Great interview
I am very appreciate and admired this talk. Finding super helpful opening eyes not only but my heart. My faith is deeper, thanks from my heart.
I've heard Dr Healy before in Anahiem, CA, enjoyed her so much and inspiring. Blessings on such a beautiful interview.
Iâm glad to finally hear about the charismatic renewal firsthand. It sounds wonderful!
@@T_dog1 No it wonât be. One of the biggest parts about it is doing a lot of adoration
Indeed it is!
It is wonderful!
@@T_dog1 Only if you want to interpret it that way. Some of the best and most orthodox catholics I've met are from the charismatic renewal.
@@T_dog1 stop this nonsense...Even ST. Thomas Aquinas used Aristotle in his form of Christianity....I don't hear anyone calling him Pagan.... If it is approved by ST. Peter , then it is approved in heaven....No more discussion or complicated arguments...
Donât disregard the genuine because of the counterfeit.
You go Mary...from a charismatic Presbyterian friend. : )
What scares me is how much a lot of these comments sound like things the Pharisees would say to Jesus."How dare you heal on the Sabbath"/"This man has the nerve to dine with sinners"/"Who are you to forgive sins?" I'm new to the Catholic understanding, and a lot of things seem really compelling at the core of church teaching, but it's disheartening on the ground when you see Catholics afraid that Satan is going to possess them through the use of drums. I say that tongue and cheek, please don't be offended. But isn't it clear to us by now that Jesus isn't concerned with these trivial things, but rather with the heart? The letter of the law kills when applied on it's own by means of human strength. That's not to say, "All tradition is harmful". No. To say so would be just another legalistic dogma. Tradition can be a beautiful way to preserve that which is sacred for future generations to experience. EMPTY tradition is harmful, because it quenches the spirit and sucks the life out of you. This is a big roadblock holding me back from the Catholic church at present, simply because it makes me sad that the people claiming to be the True Church can simultaneously have such a low resolution understanding of God.
Great guest!!!
I think Dr. Healy is very right to point out that if the Church does not connect us with our hearts then we will look for that connection elsewhere. I make this connection to Protestants regarding religious imagery. If the Church abandons its claim on the senses then the void will be filled by the world.
With that said, I agree with Matt that charismatic services objectively sacrifice reverence for emotion. If there is a place where the heart and the mind come together then that must be a significant mark in its favor. The reaction of St. Vladimirâs emissaries to the Divine Liturgy is the best story of the effect of such harmony on the whole person. There is no need to err too much on the side of reverence or emotionalism. The balance has already been struck and crafted by God Himself. Iâm aware of many young people who wept at their first Liturgy, Iâm one of them. I have even met people who cry at almost every Liturgy I have seen them at.
It is not true that the only evidence one ought to consider when discerning the question of which is the true Church is that for and against the Papacy. One would expect that if their is still a Divine/human institution present on earth then most of the conversions would resemble those of the NT and that it would combine reverence and depth of feeling in its worship.
St Augustine said: âJust because nowadays those who are being baptized in Christ and who believe in Christ do not speak in the languages of all nations, is it to be assumed that they have not received the Holy Spirit? No such lack of faith should tempt our heart. We are certain that everyone receives himâ - Since then he is received nowadays too, somebody may say, âwhy is no one speaking in the languages of all nations?â Because now the Church speaks in the languages of all peoples. Previously the Church was to be found in one people, when it was speaking in the languages of all. By speaking with the languages of all it was signifying what was going to happen, that by growing among peoples, it would speak everyoneâs language.â
God no longer needed to give the gift of tongues because the Church now speaks in all languages.
Saying discredited gibberish is a mockery of the Holy Spirit.
Is unbelievable that we still have to defend being charismatic when Jesus was charismatic..
Dr. Healy is wonderful. I reached out to her with concerns about the CR and her response was prompt, loving, and informative! God bless you, Matt, your work is so under appreciated!
Loved this interview. Thank you so much Matt. I have been greatly blessed by CCR in my life. I discovered the tender love of Jesus, and the mercy of God, through the outpouring of the Holy Spirit. I really loved your honest questions and Dr Mary's answers. A really great interview. God bless you.
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Another interesting conversation.
Loved the chat. Can you do a few more podcasts with Mary Healy? Maybe take some questions from the viewers..
I so enjoyed hearing Mary Healy reflect on the Holy Spirit! -Just beautiful!!
Also gratefully affirm her defense of a spectrum of reverent liturgical music that is not stifling or monolithic. I love how she puts it- a beautiful blend of the old and new.
I too attended Steubenville and experienced a rich spectrum of musical expression. It seems distinctly Augustinian to me. I always felt lit drew one into a deeply holy, hushed space in all its varied expressions.
While deeply impressed with Mattâs guests and very much wanting to hear what they have to offer, I confess his incessant tirade against this rich spectrum of musical expression often tempts me to flip his program off.
I think she and some other guests have responded to him wisely and hope he will take it to heart and reflect whether this is really godâs crusade or his own.
As a former Pentecostal and now Catholic, you have to be careful what your invoking or letting into your body/spirit. "Being open" can be dangerous. I've seen demonic activity when being at a charismatic worship session.
Demonic activity was present during Jesus' and the Apostles' ministry too. This happens because of the powerful presence of God provokes any demons present, not because people are "invoking" demons.
Mary Healey is awesome. Loved the exchange.
3 Hail Marys for you Matt, that this channel may be for the Lord's work đčđčđčđđ» and for Dr. Healy, that she may continue to grow in holiness and preach the Gospel đčđčđčđđ»âïžđż
Great dialogue!
It is good to see some Catholics embracing these charismatic gifts and keeping things in balance.
"God loves variety". We are all so different, isn't it beautiful that there are so many different, faithful ways to worship God within the Catholic Church? Acceptable, reverent ways. TLM, SSPX, Reverent Novus Ordo, there's something for everyone. â€ïž
Beautiful, so grateful you are shining a light on the many charisms that exist in the Church! "The Church was charismatic from day One", best quote :)
FINALLY thank you for finally bringing attention and information on the charismatic side of the church!!
Thank you Mary beautiful x
Yeah she is great. Met her when I was a lot youngerđđšđđŒâš
God bless đ đđ †đ Dr. Mary Healy and Matt
She is wonderful
The teacher Dr. Healy mentions was my teacher back in high school! I remember when this happened! Glory to God, she's still doing well as far as I know!
Thank you Matt for this great interview. I have so much admiration for Dr. Mary Healy. So smart, faithful and inspirational! I have learned so much from both of you. Many blessings to you both!
I come back to this video and thank you matt. We know you are not open a lot to charismatic but hopefully one day you will love them like we do.I promise to treat traditionalist with the same love.Thank you matt.
Being Charismatic basically means believing that God is still the same God as He is revealed in Scripture. The Charismatic is the reality that God hasnât retired or unplugged the power cord. Itâs the reality that He truly is the same yesterday, today, and forever.
@@T_dog1 Renewal implies a rediscovery or reconnection, but you're right, for a long time the majority of the Church had lost connection with these gifts. We do have references for people like John Vianney, Teresa of Avila, Bernard of Clairvaux , etc. praying in tongues, but it is not a common practice for much of Church history.
@@T_dog1 If Protestants "don't have the Holy Spirit," why does the Catholic Church accept their baptism? You are not reflecting Catholic teaching on this.
The gifts can be "lost" in the same way that good teaching and practice can be "lost." It's because people fall away or things are not taught properly. That should not be a great mystery to you.
@@T_dog1 I'm only assuming you're Catholic when asking this question: So, as a Catholic, you don't believe in the miraculous?
@@T_dog1 Furthermore, you really don't seem to understand what you're talking about with your dates and (mis)understanding of the issues.
@@T_dog1 Yes, I'm aware of the origins of such things as the Azusa St. Revival, the Charismatic Renewal, etc. And yes, the Catholics did speak in other human languages at times as a manifestation of speaking in "tongues." But, Paul plainly tells us in 1 Cor. 12 that there are diversities of the Gift of Tongues. And he goes on to tell us that one of those diversities is a form of speaking in tongues that requires the supernatural gift of interpretation of tongues. So, there's a lot more to it that supernaturally speaking in other human languages. Anyways, check out this video on the connection between the Catholic Church, the then Pope, and the modern Pentecostal and Charismatic movements.
I was born and raised in a catholic home. I went to catholic school and I am totally in tune with my faith and that is the main reason I like traditional mass, however, catholics that are "lukewarm" or teens (like my daughter) that have an attention spam of a squirrel (lol) enjoy the carismatic approach and will keep them going back to mass due to the vivid ambience. I don't see anything wrong with that. Many many manyyy times I see the congregation falling asleep, checking their phones, talking and at the end running back to their cars. We live in times of constant stimulation and if carismatic masses keep people coming back, why not.
I don't usually go to praise and worship services unless I'm with my protestant friends. I used to hate it when I was protestant, but since I've become Catholic I've found it's a good time to meditate and read scripture. I don't usually cry, though. The first time I cried at Mass was at the Easter Vigil when I was confirmed and the second time was yesterday at the mass for the Assumption of Mary. But each time I cried was during the hymnals.
I also cry out of love for the words and music which adore our Lord. . My tears just roll over my cheeks but it is not the same kind of extreme emotions and falling on the floor, writhing etc. which happen during the charismatic sessions. That is definitely not normal and exorcists all say that that happens to the people who they exorcize.
I have another question. The mass is also described as the wedding feast . Do we dance at weddings? All kinds of music goes on at a wedding and that music is a celebration of joy. The season of the liturgy should reflect in the music. The babe leapt in Elizabethâs womb. Everyone who receives Holy Communion in a state of grace is privileged to carry the Christ . I have been to Easter masses that where more like a Lenten Dirge. Yet Jesus is with us no matter how bad the music , or how great the homily or even If the celebrate himself believes or not.
I sometimes cry when the crucifix passes by with the priest at the end of the mass
@@aadamy yes it is very moving.
@@ilonkastille2993 You ought to talk to people who have experienced resting in the Spirit themselves rather than falsely claiming that this gift of God's presence and peace is demonic. It is the very opposite of that. For me, it was a foretaste of Heaven, an experience of being surrounded and filled with God's love. It was life-changing for me, and for many others.
57:22 âThe initial reaction or the reaction youâre having nowâ QUEEN MARY HEALY STRIKES AGAIN
As a catholic and maybe this is irrelevant to some. I would start any prayer even spontaneous prayer with the sign of the Cross. In the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. For me it's placing me under protection. I find most charismatic catholic don't do this. She prayer beautifully. Thank you Dr. Mary. Also I believe Holy Spirit is not always filled with loud and busy. Yes there is wind, fire but there is also breath... Sometimes gentle, quiet and strong. Our traditional is so beautiful and sadly this is being put it on the in Mass by hillsongs etc. I have been to a few charismatic Masses.and I felt too much like protestant services. I feel which should find a healthy, faithful balance
Traditional catholic hymns I wanted to say...
I bought the book by Chaplain Carothers, Prison to Praise. Great book! Power and powerful! Get it - read it! It has changed my life! Praise Jesus!!!
In the history of the church, even the Gregorian chant is new. My church offers a Mass with it, but I go to the Mass with modern Christian music, and it has helped me to truly experience the Mass, even when I go to a church that seems to lack in life.
When I listen to gregoriano chant it draws tears in my eyes
same with me. It's absolutely beautiful and awe-inspiring.
Thanks!
I agree with Matt, I love praise and worship music. But I donât necessarily want it at mass.
Praise God!!!!
It' so sad when you read these comments. We are so divided and aggressively polarized. Jesus prayed so we would be one. Lord, please, helps us ! It' s insane here on Earth! Maranatha đ, Sweet Lord
Agree, catholic infighting don't benefit anyone but the Devil
Nothing wrong with diversity within the Universal Church. No one is calling Charismatic renewal heresy, for some its just not for them. We should be comfortable with diversity and disagreement. Encourage it even.
@@mancipiachristi9032 Many people actually call the charismatic renewal heresy, specially those in virtual trad circles (some are even here in this comment section).
@@FFunez for 2000 years people have accused the Catholic Church of heresy too. Jesus died because he was accused of heresy.
In my personal opinion technically I don't think cr is heresy, that prayer she gave in worship, it was beautiful but she's a doctor. She knows her faith on an academic level. This is not the case for many Catholics. I know if I and most Catholics I know were to rant off praise off the top of our heads we'd risk praying something heretical. Lol. And I'm a Catholic who takes interest in learning my faith. Let's face it, in general, Catholics are poorly formed. Catholic education hasn't helped. I love tradition, it's rigidity and structure because I know when we pray, when we sing, when we worship liturgically and also in community the prayers and songs are objectively sound in theology, no risk of heresy. The prayers were written by theologians, they were written by the saints. Therefore, I can then let my defenses down and open my heart and worship God knowing the prayers are not heretical. When she was praying I tried to get into it and open my heart but I was on guard listening to see if she would pray heretically. I did not feel the Holy Spirit rather I felt defensive. I have the same experience when i hear hill song protestant music at NO mass which is one reason why I prefer traditional mass.
This is my personal opinion, perhaps you may find cr is what you need to develop close relationship with God. If it works for you and its not heretical then go for it.
@@mancipiachristi9032 I mean hostility among us, not diversity. The same thing with mocking faithful believing in physical healing . Faith that is based strictly on the Scripture and the exaple of saints. I think that unbelief in living and acting God is a cancer among us. I believe God can heal me. I ve got incurable disease. Try walking in our shoes. Works of dr Healy helped me immensly to justify in Jesus my deepest need to be well and spread the Gospel. Let us have childlike naive faith and love for one another, my Lord. I pray in your holy name. Amen.
With the formation of CHARIS, our Holy Father has recommended the charismatic renewal to the entire Church. Itâs not a demand but an invitation to go deeper into the mysteries of The Holy Spirit and Godâs tremendous love for us.
Very smart professor, Dr. Healy. Impressive.
Great woman.
Hello everyone! I am definitely a "traditional" catholic, including preferring reverent music during mass and Christian Rap on my own time... However my wife I are currently attending the "Life in the Spirit" seminar. WOWIEE the Holy Spirit is alive in us like never before. It is changing the way we understand and see everything. We really feel like the Holy Spirit is transforming our lives like never before and we cannot understand why the "Life in the Spirit" seminar isn't advertised more within the Church. I really think "Charismatic" and "Traditional" Catholics are both traditional and complimentary.
What we have learned specifically from life in the spirit that kind of went past our heads beforehand was:
1) We need to have faith FIRST before the Bible makes sense. I always assumed it has to do with your literacy or intelligence. It is the Holy Spirit that is inspiring our thoughts. (The testimonies we hear from people in our seminar have helped increase our faith)
2) Sin is suffocating the Holy Spirit working within us. Once we have an honest confession and turn from sin the Holy Spirit is able to grow within us. We just have to let it grow and not fight the transformation. (We often think we know better than God so we resist.)
3) The gifts Jesus Christ gave to us have already been given through Baptism, we simply need to accept and use them.
4) It is a lot simpler than we think and we over complicate things. We need to think reasonably and faithfully to understand.
We are going to grow the one true Catholic Church by making individual relationships with people one person at a time just as the early church did. We need to use every opportunity we can and listen for the Holy Spirit to prompt us into having conversations with people. Wearing a cross around my neck and giving people a simple nod is enough for some people to start talking to you. Follow the Holy Spirit where the conversation takes you.
When the holy spirit speaks it speaks Absolutely right, the church has always been charismatic and how typical of God to begin this century with those of our family who were fractured from us.. personally I find this incredibly beautiful đđ
Iâve watched a few of Maryâs videos and she is fantastic. Great guest for the podcast.
Love of God IN Christ Jesus! Thank you! Iâm not looking for the giggles, or dancing around the room, I WANT WITH ALL MY HEART TO LOVE!!
It's one thing to believe miraculous healings are real or even common. It's another to believe they are an "on call" power to be expected anytime one asks for it.
The Church believes in prophecy but condemns divination. What's the difference? It is not that divination is always false. Exorcists confirm that demons access the foolish through Tarot, Ouija, and other occult practices and demons can certainly perform supernatural feats. The difference is that prophecy occurs at God's inititiation for God's own purposes, whereas divination attempts to control the spirits or claim supernatural powers for oneself.
If a saint can regularly perform miraculous healings, it is because that saint is exceptionally receptive to the Lord's will. He or she knows when God offers a cure and when He will answer prayers in a hidden way.
I have known very faithful people who had experience of healings, had confidence that the Lord would answer, and yet did not apparently heal the person they prayed over. That's fine. The Lord is good and surely answered in another way.
I sympathize with the Charismatic Renewal in that the Lord does indeed continue to accompany His teachings and with signs and wonders, including the sacraments. We should ask and expect more from our loving Lord. But this on-call view of healings seems as false and reckless to me as Herbeck's claim that the gift of tongues is an on-call personal prayer language, rather than an occasionally inspired ability to communicate clearly across boundaries.
We should ask the Lord for help with expectation of a response, but not presume to know the Lord's will apart from inspiration. His miracles are for His plan and not for ours.
I don't think Dr. Healey said anything about "on-call" healing, but to your point about tongues I think Paul does give indication that tongues is not an uncommon phenomenon, but something so regular that he says he desires that everyone pray in tongues but even more that they would prophesy. Seems to indicate it being a pretty common reality. Herbeck is spot on in my experience. I'd invite you to go to a Life in the Spirit Seminar and see what the Lord reveals.
Well said, Aaron!
@@T_dog1 All due respect to the Angelic Doctor, we know Thomas Aquinas is not infallible(e.g., the Immaculate Conception). I'll have to get back with you on the Church Fathers point, with specifics, but Aquinas does take something of a cessationist stance on Tongues, which is not in line with Church teaching about the Charismatic gifts, but rather a Protestant perspective.
"On call" healings are not the belief or practice of (orthodox) charismatic Catholic circles. I've spent the last 5 years in a charismatic community and while this may be a first impression, it quickly became clear to me that these small miracles are not something that God gives just because you want them. They're not even really gifts *for you:* rather, they are given when they lead to greater glory for God and conversion. Think of the Acts of the Apostles: all of the signs and wonders performed at that time were always for the advancement of the Kingdom, and those who would try to wield that power pridefully (like the Jewish exorcists that Dr. Healy mentioned in this interview) were met with disappointment.
As I continue to grow in my faith and see the charismatic and traditional communities that I'm a part of, it frequently astounds me how despite the differences in expression, the underlying orthodoxy is the same.
@@T_dog1 That's like saying that there is no orthodox monasticism, since the "monastic movement" had a beginning. Furthermore, given the photo on your profile, I have to ask, do you believe that Vatican II and the Novus Ordo are valid? SSPX is not an authoritative representative of authentic Church teaching. If your response to that is that the Charismatic Movement is not authoritative either. I am not claiming that, I am claiming that the charismatic nature of the Church has been affirmed again and again by recent Popes and that does bears the weight of authoritative representation. Beyond that, I would never advocate for joining a "movement." I think the use of the term movement denotes a subjective reality rather that acknowledging the Charismatic nature of the Church and inviting people to join themselves to the Holy Spirit, the "Mover." Also, to be clear, none of this is intended to call into question the validity, beauty, etc, of the TLM. My charismatic pastor has an affection for the TLM and celebrated it as his first mass. Trevor, I pray that as you grow in the experience of God's grace that you come to know the person of the Holy Spirit.
Testify! Praise You Father of All wisdom! Come Holy Spirit!