Democracy means ‘people rule’ or the ‘power of the people’. But in US it is the capital which rules everything. Well, you can protest, you can speak, but you can never rule without capital. Everyone in US can make a scene, but only handful can make a change. A scene is temporary while a change has profound influence.
It’s just an illusion the capital want simple people to believe, that they are the one who call. Average people has near 0 influce on policies. All they can decide is choose who is the next one to serve the capital.
In the USA freedom of speech turn deadly if u protest on wall street. But your free to exercise freedom in rally like KKK, BLM, gay rights activist, antifa
I don't know, can you tell me the explicit number? Also, I want to ask you, how many people had been killed when western countries invaded and colonized other. countries? How many people had been killed in two world war? These wars and massacres wasn't did by communist party, but capitalism and imperialism.
Mahmoud Abubaker I bet it bothers you cause you most likely come from an Islamic theocracy that indoctrinates you from a young age to hate America. But just remember an estimated million Muslim sisters and brothers are in “re-education” camps right now in China, torturing their religious faith out of them. I call that morally inferior, don’t you?
@@mr.perfect8124 Dictatorships are a thing of the past. America should stop dictating the internal affairs of other countries. Venezuela failed bc it was being governed by the US. Once other economies begin to rise, like China, then the world will stand up to American authoritarianism and see true democracy. I can't wait for that day.
As a Chinese live in HongKong, I dun need your so called “western democracy “ Talking about hongkong and Taiwan , and “accidentally” ignored the fact of mess made by “democracy “ is so unfair
@Hugh Li, this man is the face of how we can not lose and shake hands. He has to be loser till the end. China won and became super power by 1. Being smart and IQ of 116 in Shanghai 2. Working hard and not making wars. Seriously, anybody from Europe with a little bit of decency would admit that and respect it and even be ashamed what we did during the Boxers revolution and what some of us did during those Opium Wars which exactly happened >> about Hong Kong. I can not believe this man raises a question of freedom and liberty as well as human safety in a country that had 40+ years of 10% growth and still keeps growing 3x more than the U.S. and 7x more than the EU!! Also made 0 wars in the past 70 years or so. I think we have to learn and respect instead of be envious and hate. I love Hong Kong btw, but not as a "puppet" won by Opium wars. I have love and respect for different cultures and I want you to know that. Before cultures I have respect for>>> you as a human.
He knows, but also he wants to keep his job, and the network cannot speak against imperialism else they risk losing those big advert contracts from the military industries. America basically trapped itself in a system that is corroding it.
I live in Denmark and we have one of the best welfare systems in the world and are constantly ranked on top in regard to most important statistical values. Most fully parliamentarian democracies are doing just fine, it´s when you get a "leader with privileges" that things go sour. Russia, Turkey and the US are prime examples of how to not run a democracy.
Democracy is not perfect either.. to much mess.. groups of ideologies pops up and dividing the west and become less collaborative. Where people seek more benefits at the expense of others. In the end in capitalism system.. they required to have poor to feed the rich.. and thats how it’s been america is quite lucky because their economy is high..thus their poor can still enjoy quality life however this does not apply for poor who lived in south east asians where poor cant afford to feed it’s self ..... not for democracy in Africa or other country. My conclusion is (not all country designed for capitalism and democracy) only some should stay democracy.. and some should stay as they are or their system that fits best.. e.g. Saudi Arabia
Ur correct because China has a long term plan even if some say china is oppressive i don't think so they have a deep rooted sense of loyalty to their culture and they stand by the leaders and i believe that China like nostradamus once forseen beware of the silkworm weaving a dragon
@Damian609 I've seen no one hawking our system which actually have many problems even in our view. Ironically, everyone saw who keep exporting their system to other nations in the past 30 yrs. Talking about Hong Kong, I'm not top echelons of Beijing government or CCP, maybe you can change policies buy your keyboard or your precious ballot. As a national of a country so called “despotic”, I would not fancies myself that way.
and.. freedom is not the same as democracy and.. freedom is not the same as capitalism and.. a lot more. freedom = free in body and mind (no one is really free but we want to be as free as possible and as safe as possible)
stop making sense. So called democracy and this techno growth are not intrinsic to each other. They are linked together as a ploy. If any reader types in The Happiness Machine one will learn when "Democracy" was first used as a economic tool. a manipulation.
China is not dictatorship like North Korea or some Arab country, justification of the government is not gained through an election, but though economic growth, the government has motions to provide better economy and living standard to civilians to protect its justification, as long as economy growth rapidly and people's life gets better and better, the government won't have to worry any short term risks, this gives them great power to do long term plan, and very solid execution to fulfill the plan.
Well , Taiwan was at 45% of China's GDP ,it is now 1/25 of China Hong Kong was 1/20 of China's GDP, it is now 1/20 of GUangZhou India , The Crown Jewels of The Great Britain , pride itself of being the world's largest democracy and fastest growing GDP of 7% or more , yet , it still takes more than 100 years to be as China's equal in GDP . China may have a slower rate of 6% now , but at this rate , China adds on a GDP of the size of Great Britain every 3 years . South East Asians are still struggling for many years for a better life under democratic rule with the exception of Singapore ( if ever this is one ) Democracy don't work for Asia , unless you are special allies of USA like Japan , Korea ... or , you owned a large oil field . Democracy bring chaos in almost every elections , and voters usually regret and disappointed at the people they've voted not long after the election . If the Chinese systems is so bad , then how is it that China is creeping closer and closer to US economy every year instead of falling further behind? There's just too many good scholars and wise men in China's long history to turn to. Chinese leaders know whats good and whats not for their people and Democracy is definitely not the one!
Yes, this is what Fareed does not understand. Democracy in Taiwan is a farce where the winning political party spends all their energy on destroying the other party. In the name of democracy, nothing gets accomplished. Infrastructure is in disrepair. Their congressional meeting are mired in verbal and physical assaults. No class, no civility. No future.
@@jyjyutube because of a divided society. when america have a large middle class the two sides are not that extreme and can reach agreement but now they are each other's enemies. when you have to change something and make a decision what you need is a strong leader to end all these mess...
Really, a miracle? Not hard work, discipline, investment in education, intense focus, deferred gratification, avoiding impulsive low class behaviour can go in and on. Another talking knuckhead.
What is the definition of democracy? If it means the US way of having two parties, and people forced to choose one of them where neither is good, and promote a divided society, I would say sorry I don't want such democracy.
usa don’t have democracy anymore , Biden has sold American freedom already when Obama is president and its communist already . They are in pretend right now ,
@Ed Judd and how many millions of people must die to stop this one-time mistake of Western democracy? How many Jews died? How many superpowers are called into this war?
Yes, when I put up this issue to my lecturer of politics. She mentioned, becuase that was not the real democracy in Germany. The real democracy won't elect Hitler. I found her statement hilarious.
your lucky this online I would beat the soy out of you irl , you pos you aint tough bro, I guarantee when it starts youll be in your mothers basement thinking back to this convo.........Fairy
Shanghai has become the a global financial center and transport hub, with the world's busiest container port. And many other mainland cities like Shenzhen, Guangzhou, Beijing, Chongqing, etc, are rapidly rising as well.
horse 4166 it varies a lot, you can live with $1000 a month or over $10000. Grocery, food and transportation, basic living expenses are relatively cheap.
This piece overlooks the obvious, China's rise also coincides with rapid developments in communication, literacy, travel and computer technology - a historically unique conflagrance of developments.
@J K Who thought India was in 1990 genius? Or is this a Trump style "everybody knows" talking point? If you were half paying attention to the piece, a big point is that China's a Communist Totalitarian regime, capable of massive feats of social engineering that India is not. A major difference between the postwar era of rice famines and it's modern economic revolution is technology. But thanks for contributing knucklehead.
Surprised that Fareed seems to be opening up the Pandora box on the correlation, or perhaps the possibility of the lack of an absolute correlation, between democracy and economic success. All systems are man-made. Perhaps there is NO divinely decreed "correct system". Taiwan and Hong Kong prospered most during the time when not much democracy was practiced. Hong Kong was not only not a democracy; it was a colony. Practically all Taiwan's economic foundation was built when it was ruled by a one-party system. AS for China - while it is not a "liberal democracy", the level of freedom enjoyed by its people is light years ahead of that just 40 years ago. So is China changing? of course it is. It's been changing steadily for 40 years. It will continue to evolve, hopefully intelligently, and continue to carve out a path for its people to gain more freedom and prosperity, and free from foreign interference.
Singapore and South Korea also saw their greatest economic growth under dictatorships. There is still very little freedom in Singapore in terms of politics. Land ownership is also all but outlawed and 80% of rental housing is administered by the government. Yet they are seen as capitalist success stories.
Well said. Hong Kong was under authoritarian British colonial rule for over 100 years and it flourished as British colony. And Taiwan was under authoritarian single-party KMT rule for more than half its life, and it flourished under KMT dictatorship. Singapore was (and still is) under authoritarian single-party PAP rule for its entire life as a nation, and it flourished under PAP rule. And South Korea had the South Korean dictator Park Chung Hee, who transformed S. Korea from dirt-poor country (with GDP lower than some Sub-Saharan African countries) into a modern country today. And if you want to include Japan as well, Japan's first industrialization occurred earlier, during the _Meiji Restoration_ under the authoritarian rule of Japanese Emperor Meiji (named for the era) and he abolished the Samurai class (which represented a drain on Japan's economy) and dissatisfied Samurai fought a bloody civil war, with spears, bows and katanas against a rapidly modernizing Japanese army equipped with rifles and cannons. Yet this Fareed guy somehow linked democracy with economic success?
@@Shenzhou. You guys are now creating false-equivalencies to protect your sense of the world. I hope that ignorant people who read your posts in the future don't buy it. All these countries experienced tremendous growth under democratic rule. Read this voxeu.org/article/democracy-and-growth-new-evidence Democracies unarguably perform better in HDI, CPI, and Ease of Doing Business. But, the venn diagram between being a democracy and economic growth is certainly not a circle.
@@michaelh878 You guys are now creating false-equivalencies to protect your sense of the world. I hope that ignorant people who read your posts in the future don't buy it. All these countries experienced tremendous growth under democratic rule. Read this voxeu.org/article/democracy-and-growth-new-evidence Democracies unarguably perform better in HDI, CPI, and Ease of Doing Business. But, the venn diagram between being a democracy and economic growth is certainly not a circle.
@@edwardr8826 Hong Kong was under authoritarian British colonial rule for over 100 years, during which Hong Kong did not enjoy democracy and virtually no elections were ever held by Hong Kong people while it was British colony. But despite the lack of democracy, Hong Kong flourished under authoritarian British rule and was a global finance hub and busiest port city closest to mainland China. Only during the period of Hong Kong handover to mainland China, did Hong Kong finally get to vote in elections for their favorite leader, and frankly speaking, Hong Kong's economy is suffering because of democracy, since the protests are getting out of hand and investors in Hong Kong are spooked by the instability and Hong Kong's economy is grinding to a halt because of the protest.
The secret to good government is official accountability. The Confucius once said, one should self-criticize three times a day. Whenever I see an official doing a self-criticism session, I know he is good. Self-criticism is a proven method, better than prayer to god or repent. It’s green and healthy. It makes you recognize your own mistakes, it makes you humble. It is the best practice for all government to adopt, the self-criticism daily session cult. 1000% guaranteed, China’s miracle growth technique.
"It doesn’t matter if a cat is black or white; as long as it catches mice, it’s a good cat." Says Dengxiaoping, the paramount leader of China. (1978-1989)
In a time when many western nations are dealing with rise of populism, it is doubtful China will ever develops into a liberal democracy. Hong Kong is so tiny compare to China that it is merely a statistical exception. Taiwan, while a successful example of democracy, is a symbol of failure of democracy in China, as it was driven off from mainland, and have to resides in a small island. Taiwan exists as an entity because democracy failed in China. China, in its thousands years of history, has never had any seed of democracy ever planted into its cultural soil. It had never worked. Doubtful it will ever work.
Silver Silence Western countries are experiencing the rise of populism. They had left wing governments, right wing governments and everything in between. These governments changed and stepped down. The one difference is that China has had the same government since 1948. I wouldn’t compare China to a western country. I would compare it to similar governments like Iraq, Syria, Libya, North Korea. I have written extremely critical things about Trump. We have a media that allows for the direct questioning of our leaders. I have watched Donald Trump and Barack Obama and GW Bush stand at a podium and be forced to answer uncomfortable questions. They have scandals in China constantly. Do you think the people of China can do that? We have to understand something, the Chinese government is an autocratic one party dictatorship. It’s ruled by a party that doesn’t allow for any dissent. This isn’t a positive thing at all. In my opinion it’s a gigantic paper tiger. It’s economy is extremely vulnerable. They have severe weaknesses in their society.
Mike 72 I live in the US and I have been to many of those countries. The big difference between those countries and China is that people actively try to go to those countries legally and illegally. No one wants to go to China. It’s basically one gigantic open air prison.
Fareed got this completely off. In the eyes of mainlanders, The sxxt happening in Taiwan and HongKong is not inspiration but rather a red sign that again reaffirms the incompetence of a western style political system.
It's not hard work. The Communist completely manipulate the market and we allow them to trade with us? Look at Huawei: they stole tech, are funded and controlled by the communist party and they are allowed to compete with our market economies? If the Chinese want to heavily nationalize everything and protect everything they shouldn't be allowed to trade with us.
@@bloodhun23 wow applying your standard means N. Korea and Cuba should be the next countries to have competing economies that the US should be worried about seeing they too are Communist???
@@wilhelmhesse1348 No, it's when the state has completely control of multiple industries we shouldn't allow them to compete or trade with us. They can be communist all they want, but don't allow them to flood our markets with cheap, manipulated goods. Western Corporations were happy to sell us out to China 40 years ago.
@@bloodhun23 the capitalist principle of maximisation of profit led American firms to China in the mid 80s to late 90s inorder to cut down labour costs and yes maximise profits. The Chinese worked hard to make American and other Western firms richer, then they got to a point they figured they too could do what these foreign firms were doing simply by gaining experience curves on outsourced production. No one should blame them for that, American firms such as Apple got rich off the back of Chinese workers assembling their iPhones especially from 2005-2010 with the advent of the smart phone as an item everybody just had to have. That money went back to the US not China. While you go about complaining believe me China is busy working on the next prototype that can compete or beat American tech companies in just about any industry you can imagine. Less talk more work is what America needs.
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American presidents can only make short-term plans for America, because they will eventually have to step down when their term limits are over, after 4-8 years, so they can't make long-term plans for USA spanning, say 10 years or more. On the other hand, Chinese government has put forth many _5-year plans, 10-year plans, 20-year plans, 30-year plans,_ etc to map out China's direction and future in _2020, 2030, 2040, 2050,_ etc, and to set specific goals for China to achieve. By abolishing the presidential term limit, our leaders can remain in power long enough to see their plans for China bloom and come into fruition in the future.
@@earnestleesaddened3779 Lol, slave labour, killed? You have no ideal how much you wrong, buy a plane ticket and go to China, you will see with your eyes how good it is.
@@VNn2023 Susannah China, good? Any any kind of killing female babies because of the one-child plan? Your right to protest slave labor for American companies? Like your Nikes? How about forced operations for sterilization? Oh yeah it's a real thrill to be in China I'm sure. Especially the religious freedom for Muslims. I'm heading to the airport right now.
Two biggest democracy jokes of the century : American（elected a con man with psychiatric problem）and UK （Brexit turns out to be a total mess）. Anyone still looking forward to a western democracy? Good luck.
`Where is it written in stone that a developed China must be a democracy? It is just wistful thinking that Chinese people would want a western style governing system. Most don't realize the current Chinese government is just a variation of their age-old ruling system. They are comfortable with it. In fact, they are nostalgic about it.
my chinese friend explains confuscianism: "a country is like a ship in water, and must be steered by an able captain. when choosing on a captain of your ship, you ought not give votes to cooks and janitors - since they're ignorant in what it takes to avoid an iceberg".
Citizen of Hong Kong here, I have also see the vast increase in demagoguery and divisive politics in so call democratic society. Special interest groups legally buying up politician who then received favorable policy from such politicians. In an autocracy if an bureaucrat takes more than his fair share it is treated corruption and punishable accordingly. Democracy is only beneficial if there are an educated mass, not tribalistic illogical sheeple who disregard blatant lies! No governing systems are without flaws, it would be foolish to think that one system will be right 100% of the time, but government should not be entertained! It is not mandatory showbitz or platform for snakeoil salesmen to do business. Fareed you always give the network an international perspective and alternative views from the mainstream media who only pander to the America’s market. I expected more from you.
Mexican drug and child trafficking cartels bought off Adam Schiff, and Nancy Pelosi and Diane Fienstine. Barbara boxer bailed for this reason. #sellout
China used to be a superpower it's now in the rejuvenation stage. Unlike the west China was never a colonial superpower but they sure had the power to be, it's just not in their blood.
It is the meritocracy system that elected talented, capable and dedicated leaders for the country, enable good governance, farsighted planning, hardwork of the people, good education system that work for the country.
@alfyn Chinese Meritocracy only elect talented leader with superior inteligence, social skill and virtue. At village level leader will be elected by votes. At national level leader will be elected by more than 3000 stronge delegates of National Congress. All leader will go throught asencion processes from village level, provincial level and than national level. The president will be selected from the national leaders that form the top leadership of the party. All president is likely to had gone throught 2 terms of provinvial government, meaning had governed provinces of more than 100 millions population, he will be tested beyond doubt. President like Geoge Bush and Trump will never get near the provincial government let alone become president of country. All Chinese presidents are tested, talented with superior inteligence, social skill and virtue.
@@philipskyap You must be highly educated to be eligible to compete for civil service positions. You have to be a good civil servant to get a job. You have to be a good official to be promoted to the central government, and good leaders are elected from the central management.
Essentially what keeps China on a bureaucratically stable path is the Confucianist variable... But while outwardly that factor has allowed China to thrive at such an economic pace without bracing political upheaval: internally, it has also reinforced the (cultural) status quo of unquestioned authority, whether by parent or political Commissar...
"Connection between economic growth and democracy" What growth? In Europe we have less than 1% and in China they had 10 % for 40 freaking years. What is this man reading off of that teleprompter? India is a democracy, look at them... Most of the world is democratic like Russia and Brazil. Remember BRICS was Brazil Russia India China and South Korea. China was the only non-democratic country and the only one that has technologically surpassed Europe and now literally produces everything possible and exports to us. We even sold them our best companies like Kuka and Volvo and Americans are forced to ban their companies like Huawei because they are over competitive, it becomes a national threat since it has a lot of implications. Why Brazil isn't capable of that? Brazil is a democracy... or India? or Russia? or South Africa? None of the BRICS countries got out of poverty and weakness besides China... We don't grow, democracies around the world don't grow. China grows. Those are the only facts and those were the facts, 40 years ago, those are the facts now as well. The reason you talk about it, is because only now you became aware of those facts. Btw, Culturally Mainland is quite different than Taiwan and Hong Kong (they kept their independence).
zhou When you live in an abusive home you don’t know any better. Imagine someone in China criticizing Xi on anything. Look below; Trump is a gigantic orange turd who has no idea what he is doing and is a foul individual. Nancy Pelosi is as attractive as a lizard and has little to no charisma. Joe Biden is a repulsive individual whom I really don’t think should be president. Now I will post this. It will stay on this platform for years. I will not be arrested. I will not fired from my job. I will not be surveilled. Can you criticize the leaders in China? Can you say even mild things about those leaders? You can’t it’s a one party state. What is the difference between Saddam Hussein’s Iraq and communist China? One country had 30 million people and the other had a billion people. That’s it. Everything else is the same.
I have lived in China for four years , and consider myself a centrist, democrat. Having taught chinese kids at international schools ( usually kids who m are below average) I can tell you that the West is doomed. I travel a great deal in Europe and the U.K. and looking at the younger generations in our country it’s scary to see how ignorance and hedonism are kings amongst our youths. It’s quite the opposite with China and other Confucian heritage countries. Putting it simply we don’t stand a chance.
and what does it even mean to hate a country? how can I hate a country? e.g., I think that Russia is governed by criminals and cleptocrats. But I dont hate Russia as a country, of course. The same applies to the US, by the way, and many other countries, in particular in Africa. To hate a country does not make any sense. This is just a rather primitive propanda phrase
".. fragility of the Chinese political system", To the contrary, I actually think China might have purposefully let foreign intelligence agencies and embassies to operate with impunity in Hong Kong, while sitting back and taking notes. They were puzzled and did not fully appreciate the concept of hybrid warfare until the event at Tinanmen Square, but they treated this new threat like a virus, and quarantined their information space in mainland China. However, they did not act in Hong Kong, as it gave them a sandbox environment to watch and learn. This will explain how China very efficiently enacted Hong Kong security law that put this Hybrid warfare to an end with sniper precision. Also, releasing images of protest leaders coordinating with foreign embassy agents, they were patiently watching and learning. Just like technologies, Chinese ability to learn and adapt is their greatest strength.
Democracy in the current West does not extend to economic policy, incredible and always growing wealth inequality is a perfect example of that. In the US majority supports medicare for all, higher taxes for the rich and increased minimum wage, but that is never represented after democratic elections. "The West" would be a little bit to wast to apply, but the US is definitely more of an oligarchy than a democracy when it comes to economic policy and economic policy defines peoples lives in incredibly wast and important ways. What Fareed also failed to mention, that despite huge loss of individual liberty in a government system like China, there are also advantages - stability and ability to plan for the long hall. While, at the same time, democratic systems in the West are starting to fail, because of lack of vision, dishonesty in politics and news media, long term planning, and governments falling victim to huge power held over them by corporate interest.
As a Chinese who has lived in China most of my life. I can say that China has a good government. Especially effective in economic growth and national unity. Western style democracy would be dangerously divisive in China. Get rich first
China could only achieve this through a one party state. Democracy slows down decision making this is why China 🇨🇳 has been able to close the gap on the USA 🇺🇸
Fareed gets most right... but dictactorship no no... and Fareed needs to read up at least 5000 years Chinese history to really evaluate if Communism is not the best solution, what is? Hong Kong and Taiwan will forever the bad examples the west took to evaluate China Communism. The reason being is the management of the massive population. Democracy might be bad for China as we have to just take a look at India. Why after 5000+years of civilization, Communism falls to be consistently doing well in China, scholar might need to think hard again on that particular fact.
China, Veitnam, Cuba, Laos, Soviet Russia, Yugoslavia, East Germany, Czechoslovakia, Romania, The Falklands, Grenada, Nicaragua, The former Warsaw pact Countries, the list goes on and on of failed Communist countries. China is the longest lasting Communist Nation, how? By being the real world equivalent to Big Brother
@@ennuiii china is a growing nation do u want a stable china or a chaos china? the communist in china atm is the greater of two evils cut them some slack and give them time, fact is china and already made positive steps to correct some behaviors...
The fact that dictators like Stalin of Russia Hitler of Germany killed all politicians,and persons that opposed their demented,and brutal regimes killed them all while rising to power they did not allow news reporters,and people to disagree,is a dictator fast forward 75 yrs later,we see trump playing the same play book,he will never convert this Country to Dictatorship
When you want to criticize the Chinese government, look at your own country first. Does your government provide free education for all people, does it provide medical insurance, does it provide affordable college education , does it a ban drugs, prostitutes and guns, does it provide convenient high speed railway and good infrastructure, does it provide safe and orderly social environment. If the answer is no, then you should criticize your own government, because chinese government has done all the above. Democracy is just a term, it doesn't make any sense.
Corruption is the cause of poverty. The widening gap between rich and poor, the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer. The lands and macro-business of exports are owned by very few people.
Chinese political system is deeply rooted in the political practice lasting for 3000 years.It is a complicated hybrid-politics system which focuses on the efficiency of making decisions and maintaining harmony and stability. It's a completely different civilization so China can't be interpreted by the common sense of western civilization.
@@jackytang3683 No，Cultural Revolution is actually a completedeviance to the traditional Chinese politic form. Mao try to promote.the extreme demorcracy of socialism by provoke mass street politics and radical social reform and it tended out to be a disaster. You can read the book(政治的逻辑:马克思主义政治学原理) of Wang huning(王沪宁) about Chinese political practice and an unique exploration of political routers made by the book of Cao peiling(曹沛霖) named《比较政治制度》 you may have a better understanding of it.
@cj p blablabla Another self-centralized westerner. Democracy or dictatorship are the concepts originated from west and they should only apply to west. But west try to sell their ideology to every corner of the planet by invading their hometowns and "making them modernized and democratic". China has gotten bored about those concept games. Remember, western ideology is not universal value and western democracy is just one form of democracy regime. West no longer rules the world. And I recommend this lecture delivered by Martin Jacques czcams.com/video/63oQougsMm8/video.html 总而言之，“偏听则暗，兼听则明”老祖宗的智慧是无穷的。
Singapore is still at best semi-democratic. One party has held an overwhelming majority for decades, and due to the nature of poltical system winning against it is difficult.
Singapore has always been a democratic society, since independence. However, the government was more towards left leaning and in some ways socialist whilst being a democratic country. It also helped that there was a visionary leader to lead the country.
I agree, Mr. Fareed raises relevant subjects and summarizes them in a reasonably balanced and impartial way, which is a highly difficult achievement. He caused many comments to be written below the clip, and often those too were equally intelligent and heart-felt. Both the clip and also a sampling of the viewer comments were quite educational. He's quite an asset to CNN, particularly here for the hard-core sincere portion of the CZcams audience.
I agree with Mr. @@4BetaMale2 and here's a likewise quote from a truly international diplomat: "If there’s a rule of law, it’s because people believe it’s better than the law of the jungle. And many people don’t like the law of the jungle because some are strong, some are weak, and they don’t want the strong to always step on the weak." (Pascal Lamy, director-general of the WTO from 2005 to 2013)
Difficult to argue against any of this but could I offer a slight addition? China has 1.4b people, almost all of them were in poverty and not educated very highly so a democratic system would have been even more open to corruption by politicians than it is now. Then there is the culture of Chinese who, over centuries, have been predominantly Buddhist and not Christian, Muslim or Hebrew and so have a different view of life and death. This is certainly not simple and Fareed's comment that China is a competitor and not a traditional threat is close to the truth. If the usa grasps this, unlikely under the current decline, then it might have the peaceful future that it parrots so regularly. If not then it will react as it has in the past, with violence.
@@jacobl5488 Doing it within those parameters, probably wouldn't have been realistically possible in a democracy of such size and variation. It would require all 1-1.4 billon (1980-2019) hands on the same deck, agreeing on means and methods. Not happening in such a hypothetical democracy, especially given the state of people's lives, struggles, personal economy, abyssmal levels of education etc - priorities of individuals would be too different, and long-term grand scale economics would not be a big priority for most individuals when they're struggling to survive on a daily basis. Sure you could do it within a democracy, but especially what China has achieved the last 15-20 years; achieving that would probably taken at least twice as long. It hasn't come without cost though, to everyone involved. With better hugely better quality of life, education levels and so on - will come demand for change. It will be interesting to see how the current child population, those whom were born to parents of edication and financial stability - how China evolves as that generation grows up. Given history for similar developments, it could be great, it could also get really, really ugly if the govt insists on clamping down the lid on their totalitarian way. At some point that becomes like a pressure cooker with no termostat or safety valve. Unless you relieve pressure in time, at some point there's no next step that doesn't involve a bang 😶
In fact all the 4 tiger countries were moracles, but interestingly no one had democracy before or during their rise of economy, SK had a military government, HK was a colonial, Taiwan had one party system thus KMT in charge, and Singapore still ruled by the singular party they always had.
there will be nothing but chaos if china was ruined by so called democracy, i mean completely chaos, juat look at hk for example, protest everyday on everything, but nothing gets done. democracy is not destination, it is just one of many ways to make your life better, having democracy does not mean your life is happier or superior than others, again, lets look at hk, if u ask young people when they planning to buy a place to live, they would take that as a insult, because 99% of them is not going to afford a house or apartment in the future. there is just no hope. the richest people control the price of estate, and democracy cant do anything about it. just no.hope.
whoever touches the cake of the richest people, will be removed from their position, even Chief Executive themselves! the former CE of hk ZengYinQuan had a plan to decrease the housing price, he failed and went to prison for 20 months.
Chinese here. For me the most puzzling piece is why Western has such high level of obsession with political chaos. To a large extent, a stable society just seems wrong to them. It is like how housewives obsessed with day time opera. Shouldn't there be enough political chaos for you to consume??!! 24/7 non-stop drama plus every four year 'Season Finale'. still not satisfied. They want other countries to produce political chaos for them to consume even when it would risk thousand people's lives.
When the son of a former president became a president i was taken aback. When trump became president i abandoned all hope. Also if Clinton had won it would have been the wife of a former president to become president. Does anyone else find this to be a problem?
Anyone that can read at the third grade level knows that the new North American Trade Agreement is completely different than NAFTA. You should just stick to playing video games and let the politics to the adults 👍
@@chadclemen you are a liar. The new canada usa mexico agreement changed nothing to benefit you or me. It only changed a few details in regard to mega corporations probably based in Europe and mooching off the USA to make more money off of mexico and canada. Not even one single person in the usa benefits from the changes. I challenge you to name one usa citizen to benefit from the changes Trump made.
I've been to Beijing, Nanging, Pudong. Guess what ? No bugs. None, not one. The earth in China is dying or already dead. Sulfer dust covers everything. Everything.
It had happened in 2016. Trump was handed the Presidency by the good old boys club. The question is not whether Trump will win or not because he won't. Instead, will Trump be handed the Presidency once more, or will he refuse to leave when he loses.
The Chinese are very secular and rational. We don’t believe in democracy and we don’t believe in communism too.We only believe in the social progress we see, and real money.
Sounded as if "democracy" is the perfect form of government. It allowed thoughtless mass to choose an entertaining but not necessarily qualified individual to turned a superpower into a circus. Please don't forced your perfect system on others.
Why are so many people here talking about democracy? As a Chinese I certainly think democracy is good. But the West has radicalized democracy.Especially the democracy that the United States promotes, and we have our own definition of democracy, Non-extreme democracy.
Democracy means ‘people rule’ or the ‘power of the people’. But in US it is the capital which rules everything. Well, you can protest, you can speak, but you can never rule without capital. Everyone in US can make a scene, but only handful can make a change. A scene is temporary while a change has profound influence.
Well Said.
It’s just an illusion the capital want simple people to believe, that they are the one who call. Average people has near 0 influce on policies. All they can decide is choose who is the next one to serve the capital.
Pay to play. freedom edition
In the USA freedom of speech turn deadly if u protest on wall street. But your free to exercise freedom in rally like KKK, BLM, gay rights activist, antifa
Well said
How many nations have been invaded under the guise of “Democracy”?
Give me liberty or give me death. When the Native Americans demanded same, they were raped, robbed, and scalped. Liberty or death? You get death.
21 savage "alot"
I don't know, can you tell me the explicit number? Also, I want to ask you, how many people had been killed when western countries invaded and colonized other. countries? How many people had been killed in two world war? These wars and massacres wasn't did by communist party, but capitalism and imperialism.
@cj p based on your logic, the three students that took their own lives in HK are killed by democracy and not the CCP or themselves.
CNN start brain wash 🧽
Nothing drives me more crazy than watching Americans claim the moral high ground over other nations.
Move to Venezuela libtard
I agree ...the hypocrisy and arrogance it's too much and I'm an American
Mahmoud Abubaker I bet it bothers you cause you most likely come from an Islamic theocracy that indoctrinates you from a young age to hate America.
But just remember an estimated million Muslim sisters and brothers are in “re-education” camps right now in China, torturing their religious faith out of them. I call that morally inferior, don’t you?
@@mr.perfect8124, good luck with reaching puberty, in a decade or so...
@@mr.perfect8124 Dictatorships are a thing of the past. America should stop dictating the internal affairs of other countries. Venezuela failed bc it was being governed by the US. Once other economies begin to rise, like China, then the world will stand up to American authoritarianism and see true democracy. I can't wait for that day.
As a Chinese live in HongKong, I dun need your so called “western democracy “
Talking about hongkong and Taiwan , and “accidentally” ignored the fact of mess made by “democracy “ is so unfair
They are the guy behind the chaos. Unnecessary to complain, punch back.
@Hugh Li, this man is the face of how we can not lose and shake hands. He has to be loser till the end. China won and became super power by 1. Being smart and IQ of 116 in Shanghai 2. Working hard and not making wars. Seriously, anybody from Europe with a little bit of decency would admit that and respect it and even be ashamed what we did during the Boxers revolution and what some of us did during those Opium Wars which exactly happened >> about Hong Kong. I can not believe this man raises a question of freedom and liberty as well as human safety in a country that had 40+ years of 10% growth and still keeps growing 3x more than the U.S. and 7x more than the EU!! Also made 0 wars in the past 70 years or so. I think we have to learn and respect instead of be envious and hate. I love Hong Kong btw, but not as a "puppet" won by Opium wars. I have love and respect for different cultures and I want you to know that. Before cultures I have respect for>>> you as a human.
They will never say American CIA paid local people to incite it
“why every company CEO is not elected by employees, naive?"
comment of the year.
You sounds likes a professor but far from knowing the reality.
He knows, but also he wants to keep his job, and the network cannot speak against imperialism else they risk losing those big advert contracts from the military industries. America basically trapped itself in a system that is corroding it.
Sure he know the truth, but he can't say
I am a chinese who want so called “democracy” 10 yrs ago.
But now I know what I really want, at least not western "democracy".
I live in Denmark and we have one of the best welfare systems in the world and are constantly ranked on top in regard to most important statistical values. Most fully parliamentarian democracies are doing just fine, it´s when you get a "leader with privileges" that things go sour. Russia, Turkey and the US are prime examples of how to not run a democracy.
Democracy is not perfect either.. to much mess.. groups of ideologies pops up and dividing the west and become less collaborative. Where people seek more benefits at the expense of others. In the end in capitalism system.. they required to have poor to feed the rich.. and thats how it’s been america is quite lucky because their economy is high..thus their poor can still enjoy quality life however this does not apply for poor who lived in south east asians where poor cant afford to feed it’s self ..... not for democracy in Africa or other country.
My conclusion is (not all country designed for capitalism and democracy) only some should stay democracy.. and some should stay as they are or their system that fits best.. e.g. Saudi Arabia
Ur correct because China has a long term plan even if some say china is oppressive i don't think so they have a deep rooted sense of loyalty to their culture and they stand by the leaders and i believe that China like nostradamus once forseen beware of the silkworm weaving a dragon
@@AurioDK Then it's a damned good thing the US is NOT a democracy, we are a Constitutional Republic. A way different system.
Civics 101 for DUMMIES.
@Damian609 I've seen no one hawking our system which actually have many problems even in our view.
Ironically, everyone saw who keep exporting their system to other nations in the past 30 yrs.
Talking about Hong Kong, I'm not top echelons of Beijing government or CCP, maybe you can change policies buy your keyboard or your precious ballot.
As a national of a country so called “despotic”, I would not fancies myself that way.
For the record, democracy is not a universal human value but rather a system of government.
'Democracy' liberal dem code for 'communism'.
sooo...you like to be a slave?
and.. freedom is not the same as democracy
and.. freedom is not the same as capitalism
and.. a lot more. freedom = free in body and mind
(no one is really free but we want to be as free as possible and as safe as possible)
stop making sense. So called democracy and this techno growth are not intrinsic to each other. They are linked together as a ploy. If any reader types in The Happiness Machine one will learn when "Democracy" was first used as a economic tool. a manipulation.
Elaborate
China is not dictatorship like North Korea or some Arab country, justification of the government is not gained through an election, but though economic growth, the government has motions to provide better economy and living standard to civilians to protect its justification, as long as economy growth rapidly and people's life gets better and better, the government won't have to worry any short term risks, this gives them great power to do long term plan, and very solid execution to fulfill the plan.
totally Agree!!! u see what other dont see ..
"or some arab country" lol no
Well , Taiwan was at 45% of China's GDP ,it is now 1/25 of China
Hong Kong was 1/20 of China's GDP, it is now 1/20 of GUangZhou
India , The Crown Jewels of The Great Britain , pride itself of being the world's largest democracy and fastest growing GDP of 7% or more , yet , it still takes more than 100 years to be as China's equal in GDP . China may have a slower rate of 6% now , but at this rate , China adds on a GDP of the size of Great Britain every 3 years .
South East Asians are still struggling for many years for a better life under democratic rule with the exception of Singapore ( if ever this is one )
Democracy don't work for Asia , unless you are special allies of USA like Japan , Korea ...
or , you owned a large oil field . Democracy bring chaos in almost every elections , and voters usually regret and disappointed at the people they've voted not long after the election .
If the Chinese systems is so bad , then how is it that China is creeping closer and closer to US economy every year instead of falling further behind?
There's just too many good scholars and wise men in China's long history to turn to. Chinese leaders know whats good and whats not for their people and Democracy is definitely not the one!
mamamia
Japan and Korea are very authoritarian societies a d culture.
"Hong Kong was 1/20 of China's GDP, it is now 1/20 of GUangZhou"
its GuangDong.GuangZhou is a city.
Hong Kong and Taiwan are actually staggering because of democracy.
Yes, this is what Fareed does not understand. Democracy in Taiwan is a farce where the winning political party spends all their energy on destroying the other party. In the name of democracy, nothing gets accomplished. Infrastructure is in disrepair. Their congressional meeting are mired in verbal and physical assaults. No class, no civility. No future.
@@jyjyutube because of a divided society. when america have a large middle class the two sides are not that extreme and can reach agreement but now they are each other's enemies. when you have to change something and make a decision what you need is a strong leader to end all these mess...
Really, a miracle? Not hard work, discipline, investment in education, intense focus, deferred gratification, avoiding impulsive low class behaviour can go in and on. Another talking knuckhead.
What is the definition of democracy? If it means the US way of having two parties, and people forced to choose one of them where neither is good, and promote a divided society, I would say sorry I don't want such democracy.
So damn right
usa don’t have democracy anymore , Biden has sold American freedom already when Obama is president and its communist already . They are in pretend right now ,
Noooope, its not a miracle, it is plan-based, systematic economic development.
Yep... if China was democratic, it'll look like India lmao.
No it's not a miracle because miracles do not exist, it is the result of correct and wise leadership and the hard work of the people.
Western democracy once chose Hitler
@Ed Judd and how many millions of people must die to stop this one-time mistake of Western democracy? How many Jews died? How many superpowers are called into this war?
Yes, when I put up this issue to my lecturer of politics. She mentioned, becuase that was not the real democracy in Germany. The real democracy won't elect Hitler. I found her statement hilarious.
china at least gets things done. when the new silk road opens china wont need america anymore. goodbye superpower usa....
Then we can buy overpriced cheap crap from India. We don't need China
Another pipe dream Jonesy? ROFFLMFAO!!!!!! Will this happen before the Chinese economy collapses?
JonessJack
so you are renouncing your citizenship and turning Chinese?
@@trainwrecktoldya5298 China dont need American too，No one is Unreplace.But ur good president Trump now is have trade war with INDIA too.
trainwreck told ya just do it，do not buy Chinese goods in the future（next second is the future as well）
We Filipinos achieved democracy for the past 30 years since Edsa People Power in 1986 and still we are POOR........
Disillusioned youth had been led to think that democracy will take them to the rose garden.
The masses are dumb and the rich know it.
The guy is describing US politics, not Chinese.
yea today he wears sando tomorrow he'll wears flip flop
cnn and msnbc will be in gitmo soon CHEERs
no just telling like it is , that's what happens to traitors of the united states, keep talking like that probably have a place for you as well :)
whats that antifa ohh stfu , hey please wear your mask when shtf , so you ;can be lit up like a Christmas tree
your lucky this online I would beat the soy out of you irl , you pos you aint tough bro, I guarantee when it starts youll be in your mothers basement thinking back to this convo.........Fairy
Hk is aways a good model of how people ‘s layalty to its conlony master
Jason yes, I cannot agree with you more!
You are absolutely right!
For myself Shanghai has grown so much in the past 10 years. It is almost like it became New York city in the past 10 years.
Shanghai has become the a global financial center and transport hub, with the world's busiest container port. And many other mainland cities like Shenzhen, Guangzhou, Beijing, Chongqing, etc, are rapidly rising as well.
Much modern, safe and clean than New York, that’s how I felt when I was there 10 years ago.
@@TC-tx6gt Cheaper too I bet
horse 4166 it varies a lot, you can live with $1000 a month or over $10000. Grocery, food and transportation, basic living expenses are relatively cheap.
You wouldn’t compare Shanghai to NYC if you have visited both.
This piece overlooks the obvious, China's rise also coincides with rapid developments in communication, literacy, travel and computer technology - a historically unique conflagrance of developments.
@J K Who thought India was in 1990 genius? Or is this a Trump style "everybody knows" talking point? If you were half paying attention to the piece, a big point is that China's a Communist Totalitarian regime, capable of massive feats of social engineering that India is not. A major difference between the postwar era of rice famines and it's modern economic revolution is technology. But thanks for contributing knucklehead.
Surprised that Fareed seems to be opening up the Pandora box on the correlation, or perhaps the possibility of the lack of an absolute correlation, between democracy and economic success. All systems are man-made. Perhaps there is NO divinely decreed "correct system". Taiwan and Hong Kong prospered most during the time when not much democracy was practiced. Hong Kong was not only not a democracy; it was a colony. Practically all Taiwan's economic foundation was built when it was ruled by a one-party system. AS for China - while it is not a "liberal democracy", the level of freedom enjoyed by its people is light years ahead of that just 40 years ago. So is China changing? of course it is. It's been changing steadily for 40 years. It will continue to evolve, hopefully intelligently, and continue to carve out a path for its people to gain more freedom and prosperity, and free from foreign interference.
Singapore and South Korea also saw their greatest economic growth under dictatorships. There is still very little freedom in Singapore in terms of politics. Land ownership is also all but outlawed and 80% of rental housing is administered by the government. Yet they are seen as capitalist success stories.
Well said. Hong Kong was under authoritarian British colonial rule for over 100 years and it flourished as British colony. And Taiwan was under authoritarian single-party KMT rule for more than half its life, and it flourished under KMT dictatorship. Singapore was (and still is) under authoritarian single-party PAP rule for its entire life as a nation, and it flourished under PAP rule. And South Korea had the South Korean dictator Park Chung Hee, who transformed S. Korea from dirt-poor country (with GDP lower than some Sub-Saharan African countries) into a modern country today.
And if you want to include Japan as well, Japan's first industrialization occurred earlier, during the _Meiji Restoration_ under the authoritarian rule of Japanese Emperor Meiji (named for the era) and he abolished the Samurai class (which represented a drain on Japan's economy) and dissatisfied Samurai fought a bloody civil war, with spears, bows and katanas against a rapidly modernizing Japanese army equipped with rifles and cannons.
Yet this Fareed guy somehow linked democracy with economic success?
@@Shenzhou. You guys are now creating false-equivalencies to protect your sense of the world. I hope that ignorant people who read your posts in the future don't buy it. All these countries experienced tremendous growth under democratic rule.
Read this
voxeu.org/article/democracy-and-growth-new-evidence
Democracies unarguably perform better in HDI, CPI, and Ease of Doing Business.
But, the venn diagram between being a democracy and economic growth is certainly not a circle.
@@michaelh878 You guys are now creating false-equivalencies to protect your sense of the world. I hope that ignorant people who read your posts in the future don't buy it. All these countries experienced tremendous growth under democratic rule.
Read this
voxeu.org/article/democracy-and-growth-new-evidence
Democracies unarguably perform better in HDI, CPI, and Ease of Doing Business.
But, the venn diagram between being a democracy and economic growth is certainly not a circle.
@@edwardr8826 Hong Kong was under authoritarian British colonial rule for over 100 years, during which Hong Kong did not enjoy democracy and virtually no elections were ever held by Hong Kong people while it was British colony. But despite the lack of democracy, Hong Kong flourished under authoritarian British rule and was a global finance hub and busiest port city closest to mainland China.
Only during the period of Hong Kong handover to mainland China, did Hong Kong finally get to vote in elections for their favorite leader, and frankly speaking, Hong Kong's economy is suffering because of democracy, since the protests are getting out of hand and investors in Hong Kong are spooked by the instability and Hong Kong's economy is grinding to a halt because of the protest.
The secret to good government is official accountability. The Confucius once said, one should self-criticize three times a day. Whenever I see an official doing a self-criticism session, I know he is good. Self-criticism is a proven method, better than prayer to god or repent. It’s green and healthy. It makes you recognize your own mistakes, it makes you humble. It is the best practice for all government to adopt, the self-criticism daily session cult. 1000% guaranteed, China’s miracle growth technique.
"It doesn’t matter if a cat is black or white; as long as it catches mice, it’s a good cat." Says Dengxiaoping, the paramount leader of China. (1978-1989)
In a time when many western nations are dealing with rise of populism, it is doubtful China will ever develops into a liberal democracy.
Hong Kong is so tiny compare to China that it is merely a statistical exception. Taiwan, while a successful example of democracy, is a symbol of failure of democracy in China, as it was driven off from mainland, and have to resides in a small island. Taiwan exists as an entity because democracy failed in China.
China, in its thousands years of history, has never had any seed of democracy ever planted into its cultural soil. It had never worked. Doubtful it will ever work.
I am a Chinese who want so called “democracy” 10 yrs ago.
But now I know what I really want, at least not western "democracy".
@@yliang1688 so what do you really want?
Silver Silence Western countries are experiencing the rise of populism. They had left wing governments, right wing governments and everything in between. These governments changed and stepped down. The one difference is that China has had the same government since 1948.
I wouldn’t compare China to a western country. I would compare it to similar governments like Iraq, Syria, Libya, North Korea.
I have written extremely critical things about Trump. We have a media that allows for the direct questioning of our leaders. I have watched Donald Trump and Barack Obama and GW Bush stand at a podium and be forced to answer uncomfortable questions. They have scandals in China constantly. Do you think the people of China can do that?
We have to understand something, the Chinese government is an autocratic one party dictatorship. It’s ruled by a party that doesn’t allow for any dissent. This isn’t a positive thing at all. In my opinion it’s a gigantic paper tiger. It’s economy is extremely vulnerable. They have severe weaknesses in their society.
China had some democratic elections like 20yr ago...
Mike 72 I live in the US and I have been to many of those countries. The big difference between those countries and China is that people actively try to go to those countries legally and illegally. No one wants to go to China. It’s basically one gigantic open air prison.
Fareed got this completely off. In the eyes of mainlanders, The sxxt happening in Taiwan and HongKong is not inspiration but rather a red sign that again reaffirms the incompetence of a western style political system.
No miracle just hard work which everyone should emulate.
It's not hard work. The Communist completely manipulate the market and we allow them to trade with us? Look at Huawei: they stole tech, are funded and controlled by the communist party and they are allowed to compete with our market economies? If the Chinese want to heavily nationalize everything and protect everything they shouldn't be allowed to trade with us.
@@bloodhun23 wow applying your standard means N. Korea and Cuba should be the next countries to have competing economies that the US should be worried about seeing they too are Communist???
@@wilhelmhesse1348 No, it's when the state has completely control of multiple industries we shouldn't allow them to compete or trade with us. They can be communist all they want, but don't allow them to flood our markets with cheap, manipulated goods. Western Corporations were happy to sell us out to China 40 years ago.
@@bloodhun23 still, no evidence, just claims by the U.S. government. (paraphrasing EU countries)
@@bloodhun23 the capitalist principle of maximisation of profit led American firms to China in the mid 80s to late 90s inorder to cut down labour costs and yes maximise profits. The Chinese worked hard to make American and other Western firms richer, then they got to a point they figured they too could do what these foreign firms were doing simply by gaining experience curves on outsourced production. No one should blame them for that, American firms such as Apple got rich off the back of Chinese workers assembling their iPhones especially from 2005-2010 with the advent of the smart phone as an item everybody just had to have. That money went back to the US not China. While you go about complaining believe me China is busy working on the next prototype that can compete or beat American tech companies in just about any industry you can imagine. Less talk more work is what America needs.
Well I start mandarin lessons next week 😂😂
tinwoods suck a dictionary
While Hong Kong is doing protesting, China is working on R&D, Go China,
More than 5000 years of civilization, it does not seem vulnerable to me.
Saying like the two-party dictatorship system in u.s. equals "the ability to really choose your leaders".
It isn't a miracle, it was their plan and we haven't seen nearly all of the plan
Attention, everyone! Chinese team of real people called "50 Cent Army" or "wumao"(half a yuan) have appeared on CZcams, TWITTER and other global social media. Their speech and behaviour are: a lot of commentary, a lot of likes, try to confuse the public, confusing the concept, ignoring the other part of the truth, belittling other countries, praising China, and trying to influence public oppinion and people's thinking, some of them hide Chinese identity, take an english name, use English, speak and act like from English-speaking country. Please boycott and report these comments to make the global internet normal. Please inform others and let people know what Chinese do.
American presidents can only make short-term plans for America, because they will eventually have to step down when their term limits are over, after 4-8 years, so they can't make long-term plans for USA spanning, say 10 years or more. On the other hand, Chinese government has put forth many _5-year plans, 10-year plans, 20-year plans, 30-year plans,_ etc to map out China's direction and future in _2020, 2030, 2040, 2050,_ etc, and to set specific goals for China to achieve. By abolishing the presidential term limit, our leaders can remain in power long enough to see their plans for China bloom and come into fruition in the future.
@@Shenzhou. Not to argue but yes they do make plans! Some plans become law, others who come to power can keep the plans or adjust it.
@@iloveporkandchicken4718 这里都可以碰见囼狗
South Koreans are smarter and have permanent plans, (hoping to be the eldest son of Americans forever)
How ironic it is now for the US so called “democracy”
It’s a miracle fareed is still on TV.......
If you look at a picture of the skyline of Shanghai in 1987 and compare it to 2019 I would say that China has grown quite a bit
Easy to grow when half your population is slave labour and you murder anybody that tries to point out your issues.
On the backs of slave labor and political prisoners.
@@earnestleesaddened3779 Lol, slave labour, killed? You have no ideal how much you wrong, buy a plane ticket and go to China, you will see with your eyes how good it is.
@@VNn2023 Susannah China, good? Any any kind of killing female babies because of the one-child plan? Your right to protest slave labor for American companies? Like your Nikes? How about forced operations for sterilization? Oh yeah it's a real thrill to be in China I'm sure. Especially the religious freedom for Muslims. I'm heading to the airport right now.
Two biggest democracy jokes of the century : American（elected a con man with psychiatric problem）and UK （Brexit turns out to be a total mess）. Anyone still looking forward to a western democracy? Good luck.
`Where is it written in stone that a developed China must be a democracy? It is just wistful thinking that Chinese people would want a western style governing system. Most don't realize the current Chinese government is just a variation of their age-old ruling system. They are comfortable with it. In fact, they are nostalgic about it.
my chinese friend explains confuscianism: "a country is like a ship in water, and must be steered by an able captain. when choosing on a captain of your ship, you ought not give votes to cooks and janitors - since they're ignorant in what it takes to avoid an iceberg".
so a democracy is a ship with many captains.. No wonder u.s can't go anywhere
Sometime watching CNN and other western media is so funny!
Citizen of Hong Kong here, I have also see the vast increase in demagoguery and divisive politics in so call democratic society. Special interest groups legally buying up politician who then received favorable policy from such politicians. In an autocracy if an bureaucrat takes more than his fair share it is treated corruption and punishable accordingly.
Democracy is only beneficial if there are an educated mass, not tribalistic illogical sheeple who disregard blatant lies!
No governing systems are without flaws, it would be foolish to think that one system will be right 100% of the time, but government should not be entertained! It is not mandatory showbitz or platform for snakeoil salesmen to do business.
Fareed you always give the network an international perspective and alternative views from the mainstream media who only pander to the America’s market. I expected more from you.
Mexican drug and child trafficking cartels bought off Adam Schiff, and Nancy Pelosi and Diane Fienstine. Barbara boxer bailed for this reason. #sellout
China used to be a superpower it's now in the rejuvenation stage. Unlike the west China was never a colonial superpower but they sure had the power to be, it's just not in their blood.
It is the meritocracy system that elected talented, capable and dedicated leaders for the country, enable good governance, farsighted planning, hardwork of the people, good education system that work for the country.
@alfyn Party members. And do you want to know how many of those are there ?
US democracy just helped dumbass Trumphy to become the President.
@alfyn Chinese Meritocracy only elect talented leader with superior inteligence, social skill and virtue. At village level leader will be elected by votes. At national level leader will be elected by more than 3000 stronge delegates of National Congress. All leader will go throught asencion processes from village level, provincial level and than national level. The president will be selected from the national leaders that form the top leadership of the party. All president is likely to had gone throught 2 terms of provinvial government, meaning had governed provinces of more than 100 millions population, he will be tested beyond doubt. President like Geoge Bush and Trump will never get near the provincial government let alone become president of country. All Chinese presidents are tested, talented with superior inteligence, social skill and virtue.
@@philipskyap You must be highly educated to be eligible to compete for civil service positions. You have to be a good civil servant to get a job. You have to be a good official to be promoted to the central government, and good leaders are elected from the central management.
China is no. 1 superpower in world. 🇨🇳
Essentially what keeps China on a bureaucratically stable path is the Confucianist variable...
But while outwardly that factor has allowed China to thrive at such an economic pace without bracing political upheaval:
internally, it has also reinforced the (cultural) status quo of unquestioned authority, whether by parent or political Commissar...
Thousands of years of cultural conformity, the uneven nail gets HAMMERED down smooth.
klyana130 lame. Be relevant and provocative/ironic ...not boring...
@@eorobinson3 1st world problems.
U.S. corporations sold out the U.S. Factories with barbed wire around them. Great model.
"Connection between economic growth and democracy" What growth? In Europe we have less than 1% and in China they had 10 % for 40 freaking years. What is this man reading off of that teleprompter? India is a democracy, look at them... Most of the world is democratic like Russia and Brazil. Remember BRICS was Brazil Russia India China and South Korea. China was the only non-democratic country and the only one that has technologically surpassed Europe and now literally produces everything possible and exports to us. We even sold them our best companies like Kuka and Volvo and Americans are forced to ban their companies like Huawei because they are over competitive, it becomes a national threat since it has a lot of implications. Why Brazil isn't capable of that? Brazil is a democracy... or India? or Russia? or South Africa? None of the BRICS countries got out of poverty and weakness besides China... We don't grow, democracies around the world don't grow. China grows. Those are the only facts and those were the facts, 40 years ago, those are the facts now as well. The reason you talk about it, is because only now you became aware of those facts. Btw, Culturally Mainland is quite different than Taiwan and Hong Kong (they kept their independence).
Well, when you talk about Hong Kong and Taiwan, you should also remember their combined population is same as one province in China. That’s different
zhou When you live in an abusive home you don’t know any better. Imagine someone in China criticizing Xi on anything. Look below;
Trump is a gigantic orange turd who has no idea what he is doing and is a foul individual.
Nancy Pelosi is as attractive as a lizard and has little to no charisma.
Joe Biden is a repulsive individual whom I really don’t think should be president.
Now I will post this. It will stay on this platform for years. I will not be arrested. I will not fired from my job. I will not be surveilled. Can you criticize the leaders in China? Can you say even mild things about those leaders? You can’t it’s a one party state. What is the difference between Saddam Hussein’s Iraq and communist China? One country had 30 million people and the other had a billion people. That’s it. Everything else is the same.
Fareed’s take is typical of those who see democracy as an end in itself, rather than as a means of achieving good governance.
That fools just reading a script and getting payed. He doesnt even remember what he just read. He doesnt understand English
I have lived in China for four years , and consider myself a centrist, democrat. Having taught chinese kids at international schools ( usually kids who m are below average) I can tell you that the West is doomed. I travel a great deal in Europe and the U.K. and looking at the younger generations in our country it’s scary to see how ignorance and hedonism are kings amongst our youths. It’s quite the opposite with China and other Confucian heritage countries. Putting it simply we don’t stand a chance.
how on earth can this man hate this country so much and still not leave it.
he doesn‘t, he is just a rather smart man earnestly trying to understand what is going on
@@aturatur1 that's not correct. he hates this country.
@@whiteindianone what makes you believe that?
@@whiteindianone facts not feelings
and what does it even mean to hate a country? how can I hate a country? e.g., I think that Russia is governed by criminals and cleptocrats. But I dont hate Russia as a country, of course. The same applies to the US, by the way, and many other countries, in particular in Africa. To hate a country does not make any sense. This is just a rather primitive propanda phrase
".. fragility of the Chinese political system", To the contrary, I actually think China might have purposefully let foreign intelligence agencies and embassies to operate with impunity in Hong Kong, while sitting back and taking notes. They were puzzled and did not fully appreciate the concept of hybrid warfare until the event at Tinanmen Square, but they treated this new threat like a virus, and quarantined their information space in mainland China. However, they did not act in Hong Kong, as it gave them a sandbox environment to watch and learn. This will explain how China very efficiently enacted Hong Kong security law that put this Hybrid warfare to an end with sniper precision. Also, releasing images of protest leaders coordinating with foreign embassy agents, they were patiently watching and learning.
Just like technologies, Chinese ability to learn and adapt is their greatest strength.
Ah, the miracle of state-controlled capitalism
My dear Chinese people, don’t argue with them, just keep working hard, let’s see what will happen 20 years later.
The title of this video shows how different western vs eastern thought. The Chinese don’t see the “rise” or China they see it as the “return” of China
In Africa we are tired of hearing western propaganda. Leave Chinese people alone. Mind your business Fareed
Democracy in the current West does not extend to economic policy, incredible and always growing wealth inequality is a perfect example of that. In the US majority supports medicare for all, higher taxes for the rich and increased minimum wage, but that is never represented after democratic elections. "The West" would be a little bit to wast to apply, but the US is definitely more of an oligarchy than a democracy when it comes to economic policy and economic policy defines peoples lives in incredibly wast and important ways.
What Fareed also failed to mention, that despite huge loss of individual liberty in a government system like China, there are also advantages - stability and ability to plan for the long hall. While, at the same time, democratic systems in the West are starting to fail, because of lack of vision, dishonesty in politics and news media, long term planning, and governments falling victim to huge power held over them by corporate interest.
Virtually every country in the world is an oligarchy, and democratic elections are a sham dictatorship.
As a Chinese who has lived in China most of my life. I can say that China has a good government. Especially effective in economic growth and national unity. Western style democracy would be dangerously divisive in China.
Get rich first
why US media spend most of they time to discuss China?
China could only achieve this through a one party state. Democracy slows down decision making this is why China 🇨🇳 has been able to close the gap on the USA 🇺🇸
As a conservative, I like Fareed. It's just too bad he doesn't work for an honest network.
Shawn Corbin like fox 🦊?
It’s not a miracle when a country makes everything
in comparison of 5000 years, it is just a fraction of history.
It's still early in the morning so I misread that and thought there was something special about their rice.
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Fareed gets most right... but dictactorship no no... and Fareed needs to read up at least 5000 years Chinese history to really evaluate if Communism is not the best solution, what is?
Hong Kong and Taiwan will forever the bad examples the west took to evaluate China Communism. The reason being is the management of the massive population. Democracy might be bad for China as we have to just take a look at India. Why after 5000+years of civilization, Communism falls to be consistently doing well in China, scholar might need to think hard again on that particular fact.
China is a oligarchy that murders journalists
China, Veitnam, Cuba, Laos, Soviet Russia, Yugoslavia, East Germany, Czechoslovakia, Romania, The Falklands, Grenada, Nicaragua, The former Warsaw pact Countries, the list goes on and on of failed Communist countries. China is the longest lasting Communist Nation, how? By being the real world equivalent to Big Brother
@@ennuiii china is a growing nation do u want a stable china or a chaos china? the communist in china atm is the greater of two evils cut them some slack and give them time, fact is china and already made positive steps to correct some behaviors...
The fact that dictators like Stalin of Russia Hitler of Germany killed all politicians,and persons that opposed their demented,and brutal regimes killed them all while rising to power they did not allow news reporters,and people to disagree,is a dictator fast forward 75 yrs later,we see trump playing the same play book,he will never convert this Country to Dictatorship
@@Wiznuke doesnt excuse state sponsored extrajudicial killings
Question: Is politics serving the economy or the economy serving politics? Ideology is not the fundamental purpose of politics.
Fareed looks like an honest intelligent man. Then again, looks can be deceiving.
Democracy is a method not targets
totally right
fareeds take out , a tofu hot dog.that vibrates different speeds
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When you want to criticize the Chinese government, look at your own country first. Does your government provide free education for all people, does it provide medical insurance, does it provide affordable college education , does it a ban drugs, prostitutes and guns, does it provide convenient high speed railway and good infrastructure, does it provide safe and orderly social environment. If the answer is no, then you should criticize your own government, because chinese government has done all the above. Democracy is just a term, it doesn't make any sense.
Corruption is the cause of poverty. The widening gap between rich and poor, the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer. The lands and macro-business of exports are owned by very few people.
Chinese political system is deeply rooted in the political practice lasting for 3000 years.It is a complicated hybrid-politics system which focuses on the efficiency of making decisions and maintaining harmony and stability. It's a completely different civilization so China can't be interpreted by the common sense of western civilization.
Culture revolution again , we don't like this kind of regime rooted from old empire
@@jackytang3683 No，Cultural Revolution is actually a completedeviance to the traditional Chinese politic form. Mao try to promote.the extreme demorcracy of socialism by provoke mass street politics and radical social reform and it tended out to be a disaster. You can read the book(政治的逻辑:马克思主义政治学原理) of Wang huning(王沪宁) about Chinese political practice and an unique exploration of political routers made by the book of Cao peiling(曹沛霖) named《比较政治制度》 you may have a better understanding of it.
Yes its definitely not purely communist
@cj p blablabla Another self-centralized westerner. Democracy or dictatorship are the concepts originated from west and they should only apply to west. But west try to sell their ideology to every corner of the planet by invading their hometowns and "making them modernized and democratic". China has gotten bored about those concept games. Remember, western ideology is not universal value and western democracy is just one form of democracy regime. West no longer rules the world. And I recommend this lecture delivered by Martin Jacques czcams.com/video/63oQougsMm8/video.html
总而言之，“偏听则暗，兼听则明”老祖宗的智慧是无穷的。
Singapore and South Korea were not democracy during their fast economic growth.
Get your facts right bro😂😂😂
Singapore is still at best semi-democratic. One party has held an overwhelming majority for decades, and due to the nature of poltical system winning against it is difficult.
Investing money in your own people is democratic in act if not by name. Giving all the money to the rich and claiming you live in a democracy is not.
Singapore has always been a democratic society, since independence. However, the government was more towards left leaning and in some ways socialist whilst being a democratic country. It also helped that there was a visionary leader to lead the country.
@@krazykris9396 Socialism = Democracy.
I always learn something with Fareed! Thank you!!
I agree, Mr. Fareed raises relevant subjects and summarizes them in a reasonably balanced and impartial way, which is a highly difficult achievement. He caused many comments to be written below the clip, and often those too were equally intelligent and heart-felt. Both the clip and also a sampling of the viewer comments were quite educational. He's quite an asset to CNN, particularly here for the hard-core sincere portion of the CZcams audience.
There is no moral high ground it's just a case of "how low can you go."
I agree with Mr. @@4BetaMale2 and here's a likewise quote from a truly international diplomat: "If there’s a rule of law, it’s because people believe it’s better than the law of the jungle. And many people don’t like the law of the jungle because some are strong, some are weak, and they don’t want the strong to always step on the weak." (Pascal Lamy, director-general of the WTO from 2005 to 2013)
Difficult to argue against any of this but could I offer a slight addition? China has 1.4b people, almost all of them were in poverty and not educated very highly so a democratic system would have been even more open to corruption by politicians than it is now. Then there is the culture of Chinese who, over centuries, have been predominantly Buddhist and not Christian, Muslim or Hebrew and so have a different view of life and death. This is certainly not simple and Fareed's comment that China is a competitor and not a traditional threat is close to the truth. If the usa grasps this, unlikely under the current decline, then it might have the peaceful future that it parrots so regularly. If not then it will react as it has in the past, with violence.
No miracle. Just clear goals with the government motivated to move forward.
The "miracle", is rather actually pulling it off like China has, by the model they have chosen, in the timeframe, and the scale.
@@pr0xZen Hear Hear
@@jacobl5488 Doing it within those parameters, probably wouldn't have been realistically possible in a democracy of such size and variation. It would require all 1-1.4 billon (1980-2019) hands on the same deck, agreeing on means and methods. Not happening in such a hypothetical democracy, especially given the state of people's lives, struggles, personal economy, abyssmal levels of education etc - priorities of individuals would be too different, and long-term grand scale economics would not be a big priority for most individuals when they're struggling to survive on a daily basis. Sure you could do it within a democracy, but especially what China has achieved the last 15-20 years; achieving that would probably taken at least twice as long. It hasn't come without cost though, to everyone involved.
With better hugely better quality of life, education levels and so on - will come demand for change. It will be interesting to see how the current child population, those whom were born to parents of edication and financial stability - how China evolves as that generation grows up. Given history for similar developments, it could be great, it could also get really, really ugly if the govt insists on clamping down the lid on their totalitarian way. At some point that becomes like a pressure cooker with no termostat or safety valve. Unless you relieve pressure in time, at some point there's no next step that doesn't involve a bang 😶
the rise of south korea has also been a miracle. 40 yrs ago they were one of the worlds poorest countries.
In fact all the 4 tiger countries were moracles, but interestingly no one had democracy before or during their rise of economy, SK had a military government, HK was a colonial, Taiwan had one party system thus KMT in charge, and Singapore still ruled by the singular party they always had.
how ridiculous that a country of 200 years say this to a country of 5000 years
johan qian And yet our country became the most dominant in the history of civilization even after giving yours a 4800 year head start.
The protest in Hongkong seems to be paid and incite indirectly by Taiwan and America CIA.
Thousands of protesters demanding democracy would say otherwise.
Prosperity is the key; democracy or dictatorship just non sense words
there will be nothing but chaos if china was ruined by so called democracy, i mean completely chaos, juat look at hk for example, protest everyday on everything, but nothing gets done.
democracy is not destination, it is just one of many ways to make your life better, having democracy does not mean your life is happier or superior than others, again, lets look at hk, if u ask young people when they planning to buy a place to live, they would take that as a insult, because 99% of them is not going to afford a house or apartment in the future. there is just no hope. the richest people control the price of estate, and democracy cant do anything about it. just no.hope.
whoever touches the cake of the richest people, will be removed from their position, even Chief Executive themselves!
the former CE of hk ZengYinQuan had a plan to decrease the housing price, he failed and went to prison for 20 months.
Chinese here. For me the most puzzling piece is why Western has such high level of obsession with political chaos. To a large extent, a stable society just seems wrong to them. It is like how housewives obsessed with day time opera. Shouldn't there be enough political chaos for you to consume??!! 24/7 non-stop drama plus every four year 'Season Finale'. still not satisfied. They want other countries to produce political chaos for them to consume even when it would risk thousand people's lives.
Fareed: China's rise has been a miracle by sending most of our manufacturing jobs from the US to China
Dave Schultz you can’t because USA is bankrupt.
This view is too superficial. The job loses is due to the capitalism nature of US. To correct it, you need communism.
Why are you obsessed with China coming to power and India coming to power...I swear that's all he talks about
they make up large chunks of the population and then there's the economic landscape between all parties, i think that's why he's talking about them.
@@paladro you have a good point lolol - I'll settle down
Except the Chinese political system is not fragile. It's endured 4000 years...
When the son of a former president became a president i was taken aback. When trump became president i abandoned all hope.
Also if Clinton had won it would have been the wife of a former president to become president. Does anyone else find this to be a problem?
CNN being around still is a *MIRACLE*
They also inflate the numbers of there economy
Very informative thank you.
Please note that it shouldn't be the 'rise' of China but rather a Renaissance.
CNN is hilarious
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Just in time for the election trump will announce a TREMENDOUS FANTASTIC deal with China. And absolutely NOTHING will have changed. Just like NAFTA😂
@ :- Just don't use U.S. dollars! Maybe Euros or Ruples would work...you know, paper money that actually has some value.
More slavery for Chinas kidnapped population. Thanks Rothschilds
Dave Schultz When did anyone send China a plane load of money. You sound dumb
Anyone that can read at the third grade level knows that the new North American Trade Agreement is completely different than NAFTA. You should just stick to playing video games and let the politics to the adults 👍
@@chadclemen you are a liar. The new canada usa mexico agreement changed nothing to benefit you or me. It only changed a few details in regard to mega corporations probably based in Europe and mooching off the USA to make more money off of mexico and canada. Not even one single person in the usa benefits from the changes. I challenge you to name one usa citizen to benefit from the changes Trump made.
I've been to Beijing, Nanging, Pudong. Guess what ? No bugs. None, not one. The earth in China is dying or already dead. Sulfer dust covers everything. Everything.
WHAT ABOUT SUPPORTING YELLOW VEST IN FRANCE? OCCUPY WALL STREET? LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT~
It will be a miracle if a democrat can beat Trump in 2020. 😁😁
It had happened in 2016.
Trump was handed the Presidency by the good old boys club.
The question is not whether Trump will win or not because he won't. Instead, will Trump be handed the Presidency once more, or will he refuse to leave when he loses.
@@fabriceizzo2922 what will your excuse be in 2020?
@@sickofliberals9403 The same thing will happen again.
@@fabriceizzo2922 Trump 2020 👍👍👍
The democrats are running half ass candidates ..Trump is playing to his base to win.apparently you democrats don't want to win
The Chinese are very secular and rational. We don’t believe in democracy and we don’t believe in communism too.We only believe in the social progress we see, and real money.
Sounded as if "democracy" is the perfect form of government. It allowed thoughtless mass to choose an entertaining but not necessarily qualified individual to turned a superpower into a circus. Please don't forced your perfect system on others.
Why are so many people here talking about democracy? As a Chinese I certainly think democracy is good. But the West has radicalized democracy.Especially the democracy that the United States promotes, and we have our own definition of democracy, Non-extreme democracy.