The Queen Doesn't Want To Make Up With Thatcher | The Crown (Olivia Colman, Nicholas Farrell)

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  • Witness a stoic Queen Elizabeth II (Olivia Colman) stand up to her advisors Michael (Nicholas Farrell) and Martin (Stephen Boxer) as they try to persuade her to "play nice" with Downing Street and perhaps even proclaim what a good job the Prime Minister is doing. Against their advice, the Queen refuses and, in fact, wants to proclaim the opposite.
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Komentáře • 379

  • @MovingPicsOfficial
    @MovingPicsOfficial  Před měsícem +18

    Are you someone who holds a grudge?

    • @KS-kr4ok
      @KS-kr4ok Před měsícem +3

      forgiveness can be stupid. Forgiveness lets the other person get away with ?????

    • @AnkhGirl
      @AnkhGirl Před měsícem +1

      Not at all, just stating historical facts. Are you someone who gives blind allegiance??

    • @eliangonzales
      @eliangonzales Před měsícem +1

      I'm still bitter about the series of "Battlestar Galactica" if that answers your question.

    • @ThunderTheBlackShadowKitty
      @ThunderTheBlackShadowKitty Před měsícem

      Yes, especially when the person who wronged me believes in far-right politics.

    • @virgorising7388
      @virgorising7388 Před 19 dny

      Wilson was her favorite PM. So nice, she got him twice.

  • @daniel_sc1024
    @daniel_sc1024 Před měsícem +422

    If she's not supposed to publicly criticize her prime minister, if she's supposed to be neutral due to her being a constitutional monarch, it seems coming out with a statement praising the prime minister (as the gentlemen suggested) would equally be wrong.

    • @maxsch8454
      @maxsch8454 Před měsícem +15

      That’s true. She should have done and said nothing.

    • @thomasclements5353
      @thomasclements5353 Před měsícem +3

      And yet it isn't.

    • @eddihaskell
      @eddihaskell Před měsícem +21

      The Monarch can praise his or her Prime Minister, past Prime Ministers, and Leaders of the Opposition in Parliament in fact) in broad terms. What a Monarch should never do is praise specific policies amd get involved in the politics of governing the nation. However, what is a fine line is when the PM of the UK's positions and policies threatens the status of the Commonwealth. In fact, when HM Queen Elizabeth visited The Bahamas she was Queen of the Bahamas -- the Governor General of the Bahamas powers as head of state of that nation theoretically did not apply the second The Queen stepped foot in that dominion. So when the meeting of The Commonwealth Leaders occured in The Bahamas, it was argued that Queen Elizabeth's main role -- and governmental advisor -- was the PM of the Bahamas at the time. It is a Constitutional Convention that has not yet been worked out. For example, if King Charles were to visit Canada as King of Canada he would be Head of State of that Nation dejure -- and supercede the Governor General of Canada who only serves in that role in his absence (Consitutionally and theoretically). If a dispute were to arise between the UK and Canada and King Charles were in Canada, he would need to be advised by the PM of Canada on the appropriate course of action to take.

    • @henryalex1597
      @henryalex1597 Před měsícem +5

      The monarch needs to keep their mouth shut on politics in the UK 🇬🇧 or it’s time to borrow the guilintine from 🇫🇷

    • @henrivanbemmel
      @henrivanbemmel Před měsícem +2

      ​@@henryalex1597Yes ... but what if they are gutting the things in your country you treasure? Saying nothing publicly is correct, but when a government comes in with a headstrong leader who is pushing out the pillars of many traditional things it got to be really hard.

  • @paulwild3676
    @paulwild3676 Před měsícem +212

    The Queen was very unhappy with the Miners strike this is well documented . The Queen ruled the whole of Britain, rich, poor, North, South, East and West. She felt Thatcher’s attack on certain communities was regionalist.

    • @eddihaskell
      @eddihaskell Před měsícem +12

      Interesting point. When he uncle as King Edward VIII visited depressed mining villages in Wales, his comment that "something must be done"led to concerns among elected politicians that he would interfere in political matters, traditionally avoided by constitutional monarchs. Some historians feel that statements and leanings like this were actually as much as a reason for Stanley Baldwin's insistence that Edward abdicate the throne, using his proposed marriage to the twice-divorced Wallis Simpson as a convient excuse.

    • @Puzzoozoo
      @Puzzoozoo Před měsícem +4

      Well we'll find out in 100 years years when the royal archives are released.

    • @HTHAMMACK1
      @HTHAMMACK1 Před měsícem

      It's interesting you put it like that, because of the Queen's attack and exploitation of many countries. The East India company, and her family's centuries of profiting from the slave trade are legendary. This is all past history and not really relevant now, it's just funny because the queen is the last person to lecture anyone on such issues or be angry about it.

    • @welshpete12
      @welshpete12 Před měsícem

      @@eddihaskell Oh no , it was because of Wallis Simpson

    • @mochtegerndane7097
      @mochtegerndane7097 Před měsícem +4

      This reminds me of the Norwegian King Haakon, who became king, when Norway became independent. in 1928 there was a national crisis, when the social democrats - more to the left then - became the largest party and King Haakon asked them to form a government. Some conservatives tried to get the King to stop that transfer of power and his answer was: "You have to remember, that I'm king of the communists too."
      I experienced some of the same diffenrence some years ago, when my 14-year old son, who was an environmental activist, listened to the New Years speech of the Danish queen. (We all do - that is a tradition). For some time he had been met with hostility by some politicians and now the queen was talking. She basically said, that the adults had to take the environmental concerns of the kids seriously. You could literally see my son grow - and in that moment I realized, what a constitutional monarchy can do.
      Hell - our queen was not there for two or three electoral cicles. She was there for 52 years.

  • @keithray1372
    @keithray1372 Před měsícem +95

    The Queen: And if it were to become public knowledge that there had been an unprecedented rift between the Sovereign and her prime minister, would that be so bad?😐👸
    Martin and Michael (thinking to themselves): Uh-Oh. She's not amused.😲😳😟

    • @SymphonyBrahms
      @SymphonyBrahms Před měsícem +2

      As Queen Victoria would say, "We are not amused!"

    • @adriangilbert5364
      @adriangilbert5364 Před měsícem

      I mean it's a worthy question. We find out all kinds of opinions from the Palace that the public never actually heard...

  • @jlotoo850
    @jlotoo850 Před měsícem +39

    It sounds stupid, but I really love the crisp SOUNDS of The Crown; the perfectly pronounced speech, the shoes clicking and clacking on the tile and wooden floors, the sounds of horses hoofs on cobblestones etc. If I was blind and could only hear, I would STILL love this series... Who knew I would ever miss real shoes--everyone today wears sneakers...

    • @jefroukos
      @jefroukos Před 27 dny +1

      Nice comment! As a video editor I understand the importance of sound editing, and I think the editors of this series have really nailed the restrained tension of certain scenes.

  • @user-sv7fd6es6s
    @user-sv7fd6es6s Před měsícem +27

    Sometimes some people don't get along, that's life.

  • @user-kf6lu4dn2r
    @user-kf6lu4dn2r Před 5 dny +4

    By far Elizabeth's smartest policy was never to publicly express support for any party or cause no matter what. That's why she didn't like her family members to vote, because it could be seen as expressing support for one party or another.

  • @stevesteve5804
    @stevesteve5804 Před 9 dny +18

    I lived in UK during the Thatcher Poll Tax days, and her subsequent fall from the party. She deserved it. She wiped out all the good things she had done up to that point in in one fell swoop. Incredibly cold hearted woman with no clue what it did to the elderly and people living in poorer boroughs.

    • @lizbarakat2191
      @lizbarakat2191 Před 3 dny +3

      @@stevesteve5804 As she always said ‘Everyone for himself…’ Sadly a lot of people just weren’t raised that way… How she treated the elderly and sick was nothing short of criminal and I have nothing but contempt for her…

  • @rr7firefly
    @rr7firefly Před měsícem +39

    I'm with the Queen on this one.

    • @johnjames6620
      @johnjames6620 Před měsícem

      Why? What do you know about South Africa and the Commonwealth?
      1. Did you know that at the time SA was serving as a bulwark against communism?
      2. That many Commonwealth countries were economically depedent on SA?
      3. That many Cmmonwealth countries had worse hum rights records than SA and by focusing on SA, the Queen would have effectively been shielding the human right abuses in other Commonwealth countries.
      I wonder if the Queen was against her government on the issue of the UK's illegal invasion of Iraq?

    • @rr7firefly
      @rr7firefly Před měsícem +5

      @@johnjames6620 Let's not go bonkers on that innocent comment. It refers to the scene in THIS video from the series. The issue: the Queen's disapproval of Margaret Thatcher. The comment has NOTHING to do with the policies of the United Kingdom in regard to its imperial holdings, both those that were extant at the time of this historical moment, and those that were loosely affiliated through the Commonwealth. Whatever brain booster you are using (legal or not) please stay within the purview of the subject at hand. Going beyond that will only create a lot of misunderstanding and unnecessary stress.

    • @johnjames6620
      @johnjames6620 Před měsícem

      @@rr7firefly Whenever a person engages in ad hominem attack it suggests that they probably have nothing useful to contribute to the discussion.

    • @henryalex1597
      @henryalex1597 Před měsícem

      Time for the Queen to go . Life of luxury not elected!

    • @rr7firefly
      @rr7firefly Před měsícem +1

      @@henryalex1597 Are we now talking about Camilla? You would not be alone in that sentiment.

  • @l.a.3479
    @l.a.3479 Před měsícem +109

    "It's noted." 😆

    • @NightSkeptic
      @NightSkeptic Před měsícem +5

      I just wish there were any indication as to whether his objections were noted or not. Guess we'll never know...

    • @strukhoff
      @strukhoff Před měsícem +2

      @@NightSkeptic I believe they were noted.

    • @jassonsw
      @jassonsw Před měsícem +4

      Noted and filed in the basement, in a drain, under a rug with a filing cabinet on top.

    • @A_A_J.
      @A_A_J. Před 2 dny +1

      When a British bureaucrat notes something... it is as *NOTED* as can be.

  • @welshpete12
    @welshpete12 Před měsícem +58

    Thatcher thought , when she first became Priminister that she could bully the Queen, she learnt soon she could not . She then tried to ape her . If you look at some of the old photographs of her . She wearing a diamond broach just like the Queen's favorite, and one the Queen wore quite often . Parliament has to give consent for the monarch to leave the country. The Queen wished to go to Australia , ( I think it was Australia ) . Thatcher refused , the Queen went anyway .

    • @embreis2257
      @embreis2257 Před měsícem +6

      'parliament' has to give consent for the monarch to leave the country? not the government, i.e. the PM?

    • @cindydefronzo-cz2xt
      @cindydefronzo-cz2xt Před 21 dnem +11

      I was not particularly impressed with Thatcher because she was disingenuous with her politics and I think Her Majesty saw right through that. Queen Elizabeth probably didn't tolerate bs from her prime ministers

    • @johnjordan1948
      @johnjordan1948 Před 8 dny

      The reason she thought that is because that's how it's supposed to work. The queen is supposed to do what the PM says not the other way around. Hate thatcher all you like but she was elected by the British people the queen was not so the queens opinions disagreeing with her on anything political shouldn't matter because the queen was not elected. The queen should have shut up and done as she was told

  • @HarrymDecatur
    @HarrymDecatur Před měsícem +20

    She wasn't having it.....

  • @bill90405
    @bill90405 Před měsícem +15

    And she was right…

  • @marshalphillips
    @marshalphillips Před měsícem +38

    The Queen is not amused.

  • @briancooper4959
    @briancooper4959 Před měsícem +186

    It should be pointed out that the Queen was eventually proven correct.

    • @johnjames6620
      @johnjames6620 Před měsícem +3

      About what?

    • @Schwabian
      @Schwabian Před měsícem +4

      Don’t think so-

    • @hutch1197
      @hutch1197 Před měsícem +64

      ​@Schwabian She was proven correct. The rift was about Apartheid and Thatcher was wrong. In fact, it was revealed that Thatcher's son had business interests in South Africa. She was protecting her son's profits rather doing the right thing.

    • @johnjames6620
      @johnjames6620 Před měsícem

      @@hutch1197 You have provided no proof at all. What the Queen was doing was protecting her own interests which was the survival of the Commonwealth. The Queen's proposal did not address the following factors:
      1. That many Commonwealth countries had worse human rights records than South Africa. The Queen was allowing and facilitating these countries to hide their actions by putting the spotlight solely on South Africa.
      2. That sanctions would have hurt / crippled some Commonwealth countries, including Lesotho, Swaziland, Zimbabwe, Botswana and Zambia, who had a strong economic dependency on South Africa. What proposal did the Queen have to assist these countries?
      3. That South Africa was serving as a bulwark against Communism because the ANC was very pro-communist at the same.
      4. The payment of reparations for damage caused by the British.
      What Thatcher was advocating was a peaceful settlement and solution with South Africa remaining economically strong. She was well aware of the threat of communism and was waiting patiently for communism to be weakened. As things turned out the Berlin Wall fell in 1989 and Nelson Mandela was released in 1990.
      The Queen was remarkably quiet when the USA and UK ILLEGALLY invaded Iraq which caused hundreds of thousands of deaths and casualties. So she comes over as a hypocrite!

    • @chriswhite82
      @chriswhite82 Před měsícem

      @@johnjames6620 See the comment from @hutch1197 and educate yourself. Had you watched The Crown, or had a basic knowledge of the issues between the Queen and Thatcher, you'd know 'about what'.

  • @GodsFavoriteBassPlyr
    @GodsFavoriteBassPlyr Před měsícem +15

    Thumbs Down for covering the screen with ads for other videos at the last second.

  • @MF-lg4jd
    @MF-lg4jd Před měsícem +23

    Our queen

  • @curtyeomans8446
    @curtyeomans8446 Před 28 dny +2

    Martin wasn’t even the queen’s private secretary when Thatcher was PM. He’d retired by that point. Phillip Moore was the queen’s private secretary for most of the Thatcher years, followed by William Heseltine for the remainder of it

  • @catsupchutney
    @catsupchutney Před měsícem +15

    That is what a Royal curb stomp looks like.

  • @benlowe1701
    @benlowe1701 Před měsícem +36

    I have my issues with the monarchy, but nobody can accuse the late Queen of having a poor judge of character.

    • @cherylhulting1301
      @cherylhulting1301 Před 7 hodinami

      She certainly appeared to be shrewd in her judgments about people.

  • @A_A_J.
    @A_A_J. Před 2 dny

    When a British bureaucrat notes something... it is *NOTED*.

  • @andrewwalker3312
    @andrewwalker3312 Před měsícem +6

    REMEMBER THIS IS TOTAL FICTION

    • @benlowe1701
      @benlowe1701 Před měsícem +4

      Thatcher's support of Apartheid South Africa, and the Queen's revulsion of it, are well documented. On this particular occasion, whilst the details are imagined, the general gist is entirely accurate.

  • @keithlillis7962
    @keithlillis7962 Před měsícem +18

    Thatcher is quoted as saying that there is no such thing as society. Sounds rather lacking in compassion to me!

    • @zacmumblethunder7466
      @zacmumblethunder7466 Před měsícem +6

      She also said that unemployment at 4,000,000 was "A price worth paying" for her "reforms". Tell thatvto the poor buggers who lost their homes because she'd encouraged them to buy them instead of renting them, then lost their jobs, and to the relatives of the suicide victims.

    • @Iranica
      @Iranica Před 11 dny +1

      Bring yourself to complete the quote instead of latching on to that bit, the bugbear of lefty luvvies. She also continued, "There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first. It's our duty to look after ourselves and then, also to look after our neighbour. People have got the entitlements too much in mind, without the obligations. There's no such thing as entitlement, unless someone has first met an obligation.”

    • @Falconlibrary
      @Falconlibrary Před dnem

      Ayn Rand devotee

    • @Iranica
      @Iranica Před dnem

      @@Falconlibrary Corr. Mrs T devotee

  • @hillbillydeluxe27
    @hillbillydeluxe27 Před měsícem +4

    In the olden days, when michael walked down that long dark corridor, he would’ve been killed. Problem solved.

  • @coolperson962
    @coolperson962 Před měsícem +10

    Just to remind everyone....noted

  • @LanceStoddard
    @LanceStoddard Před měsícem +2

    The role of the Monarch is to keep a PM from getting too powerful. ER understood that.

  • @MrDavey2010
    @MrDavey2010 Před měsícem +4

    Next move for Nicholas Farrell? The cruising advert!

  • @Falconlibrary
    @Falconlibrary Před dnem

    Prime ministers and advisers come and go, but the monarch remains.

  • @ascott2168
    @ascott2168 Před měsícem +30

    No idea why folks speak to HM as if she’s going to shoot them at point blank range !

    • @ThomasOutt
      @ThomasOutt Před měsícem +9

      Because, to dissent HM's point of view took courage, due to the social contract with which she held significant influence upon her realm.

    • @carlousmagus5387
      @carlousmagus5387 Před měsícem +11

      Because she is England

    • @christophermoyer6103
      @christophermoyer6103 Před měsícem +5

      Tower of London yo

    • @MickeyFlipper
      @MickeyFlipper Před měsícem +4

      I agree. He should’ve held strong and declared how disastrous it would be to the Crown. And if HM insisted then he should’ve resigned right then and there to show her how serious it would have been. Idk what Michael Shea was like in real life but if he’s portrayed the way the series made him. He had NO backbone. His position was instilled to protect the monarchy. And he failed in that.

    • @roscomeon3965
      @roscomeon3965 Před měsícem +2

      Because she was a arrogant pompous bully.

  • @richardcleveland8549
    @richardcleveland8549 Před měsícem +41

    Thatcher . . . commonly known as Attila the Hen . . . .

    • @RitchieCollins
      @RitchieCollins Před měsícem +5

      Hadn’t heard that before, lol😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

    • @richardcleveland8549
      @richardcleveland8549 Před měsícem +5

      @@RitchieCollins Alas, I can't take credit for it! Probably from a British MP or an opposition newspaper! I DO think it perfectly describes the woman.

    • @lizbarakat2191
      @lizbarakat2191 Před měsícem +4

      @@richardcleveland8549 Still bloody funny…hadn’t heard it before…Did you hear the one where someone said that having Sir Geoffrey Howe attack you in the Commons was like being savaged by a dead sheep? That has stayed with me all through the years…

    • @goprovideos9280
      @goprovideos9280 Před měsícem +1

      i meam she was voted by the people

    • @richardcleveland8549
      @richardcleveland8549 Před měsícem

      @@lizbarakat2191 "Savaged by a dead sheep . . . ." Priceless! In the best British tradition of understatement!

  • @KrisRyanStallard
    @KrisRyanStallard Před měsícem +32

    I love Olivia Coleman. We should do away with the monarchy and just hire Olivia to play the queen for official functions.

    • @rashakor
      @rashakor Před měsícem +4

      Would most certainly make the current theater that the monarchy has become more affordable.😂

    • @gunkyzip
      @gunkyzip Před měsícem +1

      you want Olivia to be buried at King George VI Memorial Chapel to take the place of the Queen's body? you're oddly morbid.

    • @KrisRyanStallard
      @KrisRyanStallard Před měsícem

      @@gunkyzip that goes not make any sense.

    • @laughingotter1125
      @laughingotter1125 Před 22 dny

      @@KrisRyanStallard Elizabeth II died in 2022. You want to hire Olivia Coleman to pretend to be a dead woman at state functions? That does seem weirdly morbid.

  • @johnwalzer9187
    @johnwalzer9187 Před měsícem +16

    Thatcher and the Queen had personalities that were bound to come into conflict. The Queen was civil and compassionate while Thatcher was callous and tended to go for the jugular. The Queen wanted to bring people together and Thatcher didn't care who she offended and cared even less who she hurt. I can't believe the Queen's ministers didn't see that this conflict would eventually break into the open.

    • @Sole-tx9cx
      @Sole-tx9cx Před měsícem

      Thatcher was no callous. She was a realist. It’s the leftists who are callous. Do some real research and not rely on TV

    • @mistermysteryman107
      @mistermysteryman107 Před měsícem +1

      Callous? What a stupid thing to say.

    • @johnwalzer9187
      @johnwalzer9187 Před měsícem +1

      @@mistermysteryman107 Callous: "Showing or having an insensitive and cruel disregard for others." Sounds like the perfect description of a woman who took milk away from school children. Mags was callous, vindictive and sanctimonious. In other words, your typical conservative.

  • @willx9352
    @willx9352 Před měsícem +12

    the Crown is fiction!

    • @fredemny3304
      @fredemny3304 Před měsícem

      Unfortunately Thatcher wasn't fiction. She was a thoroughly evil woman.

    • @TheKulu42
      @TheKulu42 Před měsícem +1

      Agreed. I think at least one member of the Royal Family dubbed the show "fan fiction." I never trust TV shows or movies to get history or science right!

    • @thedudeabides3138
      @thedudeabides3138 Před 22 dny +1

      It may well be...but it hews very close to the bone.

    • @willx9352
      @willx9352 Před 22 dny

      @@thedudeabides3138 Occasionally it gets things right. But some of the errors are egregious, and the coverage of Queen Elizabeth’s dealings with Thatcher is one of them. The biggest conundrum for the poposition that Queen Elizabeth was viscerally anti-Thatcher is the fact that she attended Thatcher’s funeral, a very unusual thing for a monarch to do. The idea that the blame for the reporting was shifted by the Palace to a PR person who was then sacked is simply wrong. Wikipedia provides the facts. The problem is that the Crown consistently distorts the facts in order to disparage the monarchy. It has a political agenda.

    • @thedudeabides3138
      @thedudeabides3138 Před 22 dny

      @@willx9352 interesting, thank you for posting.

  • @RobertSweet-nw4tm
    @RobertSweet-nw4tm Před měsícem +4

    The Queen should have refused to let Boris Johnson prorogue Parliament

    • @lizbarakat2191
      @lizbarakat2191 Před měsícem +3

      @@RobertSweet-nw4tm I think that they lied to her so she wasn’t in possession of the exact picture… Also the late Queen always took the advice of her ministers in order to appear neutral…It was cruel to put her in such a position as her health was already failing by then…

    • @embreis2257
      @embreis2257 Před měsícem +3

      you expect too much of her. #1 she already was a very old lady. #2 refusing the PM always means risking a constitutional crisis. parliament is supreme and the PM usually has a majority. Boris was reckless enough to circumvent her anyway

    • @RobertSweet-nw4tm
      @RobertSweet-nw4tm Před měsícem +2

      I understand that it would have been unprecedented and too much to expect of HM The Queen for her to refuse a Prime Minister. Nevertheless it was a missed opportunity to curb Johnson’s bid for dictatorship. Luckily in this case the Supreme Court managed put a stop to him.

    • @RobertSweet-nw4tm
      @RobertSweet-nw4tm Před 5 dny +1

      @@embreis2257 BJ had no moral compass at all. Completely lacking.

    • @RobertSweet-nw4tm
      @RobertSweet-nw4tm Před 5 dny

      The Monarch has the power to appoint Prime Ministers and even disolve Parliament.

  • @virgorising7388
    @virgorising7388 Před 19 dny

    It there was a "Best Queen Elizabeth II" award, Olivia Colman would win it hands down.

  • @fig1115
    @fig1115 Před měsícem +1

    regardless of anything else, two fantastic actors .between me and you ,i find Gillian Anderson more attractive now than in her youth.

  • @paulsara9694
    @paulsara9694 Před měsícem +2

    You can have lots of compassion when you're born in the right bed.

  • @mjohnson5030
    @mjohnson5030 Před 9 dny

    I heard they played much sport together.
    She and Thatcher hiked, hunted, fished, played bridge, golf, tennis, Greco-Roman wrestling and Twister.
    Yes, Twister.
    Can you imagine?
    Queen Elizabeth and Margaret Thatcher playing Twister?

  • @michaeltaylor8835
    @michaeltaylor8835 Před 28 dny

    It was at this point they knew they f up

  • @StephenBrown-vh8mz
    @StephenBrown-vh8mz Před měsícem

    Did he mention the newspaper today wow blast from past

  • @stan3070
    @stan3070 Před 8 dny

    Everyone's got something to say about thatcher

  • @JK-nx7my
    @JK-nx7my Před měsícem

    These clever old men thinking they know better.

  • @Sole-tx9cx
    @Sole-tx9cx Před měsícem +2

    The crown spins and puts many falsehoods. Witch real people, this should be avoided

    • @Sole-tx9cx
      @Sole-tx9cx Před měsícem

      Margaret Thatcher won three elections and was PM from 1979 to 1990. That day a lot. We know the Crown is leftists on leftists Netflix. People need to read real history and avoid getting history from TV.

  • @stringer-ik1pc
    @stringer-ik1pc Před měsícem +5

    Thatcher had the power, the Queen had a nice Tiara.

    • @scorpioninpink
      @scorpioninpink Před měsícem +1

      The Queen can deny her Royal Ascent to any law passed by the parliament but it has never been done. There is no restriction but it also has no precedent.

    • @joem1970
      @joem1970 Před měsícem

      And they sacked Thatcher!!!!!

    • @donny1960
      @donny1960 Před 11 dny +1

      And survived Thacker by many of years. The Queen was also not publicly humiliated and thrown out of office on her Ass. I think Elisebeth triumphed. Power is of no use at all .......if you lose it. Elisebeth knew this. Thatcher learned it the hard way.

    • @mjohnson5030
      @mjohnson5030 Před 9 dny

      E2 out lasted "The Thatch".
      Elizabeth won the war of attrition. She lost many a skirmish to Thatcher, but the Iron Lady made so many enemies, her days were numbered.

  • @just8310
    @just8310 Před měsícem +1

    What season is this

  • @mckenziemcquarry9209
    @mckenziemcquarry9209 Před měsícem +3

    When the boss isn’t right, but is still the boss.

    • @condor7964
      @condor7964 Před 7 dny

      Is this a reference to something by any chance?

    • @mckenziemcquarry9209
      @mckenziemcquarry9209 Před 7 dny

      @@condor7964 Bridge of Spies where it’s phrased “The boss isn’t always right, but he’s always the boss.”

    • @condor7964
      @condor7964 Před 7 dny

      @@mckenziemcquarry9209 You're the first person I've seen reference that movie, online or in person!!

  • @jhwheuer
    @jhwheuer Před měsícem +2

    Nobody does stuffy like the Brits.

    • @robertcook4705
      @robertcook4705 Před měsícem

      And no one does psychopathic like the americans.

  • @tomhighsmith
    @tomhighsmith Před měsícem +5

    Thatcher was a bad thing for many people in the UK, all she recognized was that she had to work with the EU. Now her party has overturned this. Look at the period before Thatcher and you know what the outcome will be.

  • @AnntheTheatreFan
    @AnntheTheatreFan Před měsícem

    Martin is Charles Edwards!

  • @poussinhamzah4013
    @poussinhamzah4013 Před 22 dny

    It is ironic that everyone can have an opinion except the sovereign.....🤔🤔🤔

  • @triggerfish999
    @triggerfish999 Před měsícem

    Remember…it's a work of fiction loosely based on the monarchy. And (very) loosely based on historical events. But it's a tv show and it's fiction.

    • @donny1960
      @donny1960 Před 11 dny

      What is your point? A TV can show exactly what happened, or it can take artistic liberties. We know that. So saying it is a TV show does not say anything about this particular subject.

  • @rational9229
    @rational9229 Před 28 dny +5

    And yet the people voted for Thatcher each time she stood. She was right about the economy. She was right about the Soviets.

    • @faithlesshound5621
      @faithlesshound5621 Před 15 dny

      Thatcher was on course to lose the next election after she brought about mass unemployment. What saved her was first provoking and then winning the Falklands War. That's how she got the turkeys to vote for Christmas.

    • @donny1960
      @donny1960 Před 11 dny +1

      Sure. She was always right. That is why they publicly humiliated her and threw her out. She had great qualities. But was not a compassionate or even good human being. She was mean spirited and let power go to her head. She got exactly what she deserved.

    • @rational9229
      @rational9229 Před 11 dny

      @@donny1960 Third longest serving prime minister in the history of the UK, right? And thrown out by a bunch of beta males tired of waiting for the big chair, never dumped by the people. Helped save the UK, helped break apart the USSR and free hundreds of millions from left wing (commie) tyranny.

  • @WisdomWeaverBitcoinBruv
    @WisdomWeaverBitcoinBruv Před měsícem +18

    This conversation didn't actually take place. QE loved Thatcher. They often played Boggle together in the drawing room, and sipped Pimms while slagging off people from Slough. It's well documented.

    • @roscomeon3965
      @roscomeon3965 Před měsícem +8

      @@WisdomWeaverBitcoinBruv Absolutely correct. She also played strip poker with Thatcher.

    • @WisdomWeaverBitcoinBruv
      @WisdomWeaverBitcoinBruv Před měsícem

      @@roscomeon3965 HOW DO YOU KNOW THIS?????????????

    • @roscomeon3965
      @roscomeon3965 Před měsícem

      @@WisdomWeaverBitcoinBruv a confidential Palace source.🤣🤣🤣🤣

    • @garyspence2128
      @garyspence2128 Před měsícem +10

      No one loved Thatcher. Perhaps her husband and son. That's it. And no one was a bigger bully than old Margaret. At least until Michael Haseltine called her bluff, and she folded like a Japanese fan...it was great to see her downfall. Too bad she hurt so many folks in Britain with her policies...

    • @AndyBluebear-fi9om
      @AndyBluebear-fi9om Před měsícem

      @@roscomeon3965 They even made out on a couple of occasions.

  • @Torquemada70
    @Torquemada70 Před měsícem

    This was great, but they really, *really* shouldn't have made the last season

  • @godisgooey
    @godisgooey Před 2 dny

    Nice to know they’re all dead now

  • @noName-kn1lx
    @noName-kn1lx Před měsícem +1

    Instead of the crown it should be called the leeches

  • @pippipster6767
    @pippipster6767 Před měsícem +1

    Bring on the glorious Republic !

    • @poissonnoir
      @poissonnoir Před 28 dny +1

      Hmm - tried that once. Didn't work out so well.

    • @pippipster6767
      @pippipster6767 Před 27 dny

      @@poissonnoir
      USA and France … and many … disagree.

  • @doctorderpage2848
    @doctorderpage2848 Před 17 dny

    The Queen complaining about anybody's lack of compassion is the least believable moment in this episode.

  • @greathornedowl3644
    @greathornedowl3644 Před měsícem +5

    🤔As a Trust Fund Baby she could afford to be liberal or even socialist with her views. Thatcher, trying to pull the British from going off a Socialist cliff on spending, was fiscally conservative, and tough on crime. They hated taking medicine

    • @Shadowman4710
      @Shadowman4710 Před měsícem +2

      Yeah, you clearly don't know what socialism is.

    • @joem1970
      @joem1970 Před měsícem +1

      No, they just hated Thatcher!!!

    • @Iranica
      @Iranica Před 11 dny

      @@Shadowman4710 You do since you feel it's ok to satisfy the pangs of envy if not hunger. And I'd yield to East Europeans on this who had to endure it for 4 decades, not Americans or West Europeans like you, who hanker for misery.

  • @wilburshaw9330
    @wilburshaw9330 Před měsícem

    She wouldn’t let go of power until she died. That’s sad.

    • @donny1960
      @donny1960 Před 11 dny

      What? Monarchs serve till death. Is not sad at all. She took her role seriously. That is not something that is "sad". It should be celebrated.

  • @virgorising7388
    @virgorising7388 Před 19 dny +1

    People who say they care about the poor, disadvantaged and homeless think socialism is compassionate, they think censorship is compassionate, they think tyranny is compassionate. Compassionate is whatever they want it to be when it isn't. Charity begins in the home, in families, in communities and churches, but not in government.

  • @us-Bahn
    @us-Bahn Před měsícem +1

    Why doesn’t this guy have an English accent?

  • @bacarochinchillamanuelalbe8183

    Elizabeth II and Margaret Tatcher were in love ❤

  • @timfly767
    @timfly767 Před měsícem +6

    These series are rubbish. We simply have no idea what actually happened between Buckingham Palace and the government.

    • @garyspence2128
      @garyspence2128 Před měsícem

      Cherish your delusion. It's all that's left to you now. But history is the real record of the good and bad things done by our leaders. We the people cannot run from what these folks do, both for and against us!

    • @AndyBluebear-fi9om
      @AndyBluebear-fi9om Před měsícem +8

      The fact that this is a series and not a documentary must have pole vaulted over your head.

    • @timfly767
      @timfly767 Před měsícem +1

      @@AndyBluebear-fi9om Why why why do so many people find it impossible to have a normal chat without getting personal? My point is that surely the plot be even vaguely accurate.

    • @AndyBluebear-fi9om
      @AndyBluebear-fi9om Před měsícem +1

      @@timfly767 I'm not getting personal, it's just statements about things which are supposed to be rather obvious make me roll my eyes.

    • @lizbarakat2191
      @lizbarakat2191 Před měsícem

      @@timfly767 Have to agree…from what I saw of the series there was an awful lot of artistic licence…more like a soap opera than anything else…

  • @PhilipReeder
    @PhilipReeder Před 10 dny

    I always liked QEII.
    That being said, this scene makes me shake my head. The idea, that those two men (political leaders)
    have to kowtow to a Queen who was never elected, holds almost no political power, yet lives off the taxpayers while becoming immensely wealthy and living in ultimate luxury is preposterous.
    Yes this occurred in the 1980's, but really Great Britain, isn't it time to make King Charles the whatever, the last sovereign?

  • @williampalchak7574
    @williampalchak7574 Před měsícem

    I admired the Queen, but she was no Maggie.

    • @joem1970
      @joem1970 Před měsícem +7

      Thank God!!!!

    • @donny1960
      @donny1960 Před 11 dny

      Thank God for that. Thatcher was a monster. An effective monster for a bit. But still a monster. She wrote off 1/2 of the people she was supposed to be serving. Because she thought her own countrymen were the enemy. She was despicable. And England is worse because of her.

  • @luvmydeck
    @luvmydeck Před 17 dny

    Thatcher brought Britain back to prosperity - at least that is what I was taught. Am I wrong?

    • @faithlesshound5621
      @faithlesshound5621 Před 15 dny

      Yes. She destroyed most sectors of manufacturing industry, privatised public services, and brought in mass unemployment. However, the financiers of the City of London did well.

  • @matthewleslie4448
    @matthewleslie4448 Před 11 dny

    Her advisors can drop the act re: their shock at the Queen's disapproval of Thatcher. I'm sure they were more than happy to look the other way as the Queen (in her role as monarch of Australia) was more than happy to provide the foundation for Prime Minister Gough Whitlam & his government to be dismissed for having the temerity to run Australia as a socialist country.

  • @williamhenry8914
    @williamhenry8914 Před měsícem +1

    Down with monarchy. It's a national embarrasment we still have this ridiculous Lord of the Rings cosplay in 2024.

  • @mikeg0802
    @mikeg0802 Před 22 dny

    Women don’t work well together…

  • @dereklwashington1132
    @dereklwashington1132 Před měsícem

    These are the same types who drove Meghan and Harry out

    • @Rosemary-vf5ei
      @Rosemary-vf5ei Před měsícem

      Almost every page has a moron who has to mention Harry and Meghan. Not only are they irrelevant by now, but this is decades before. Meghan drove herself out when she found out that she couldn't change things and she was comparatively low on the totem pole. Enough!!

    • @laughingotter1125
      @laughingotter1125 Před 22 dny

      Good riddance.

  • @Johnedwardpeterson
    @Johnedwardpeterson Před měsícem +26

    Thatcher will be remembered as the British counterpart to Reagan who greatly helped advance freedom and as a thorn in the backside of globalism

    • @bogdancristea9270
      @bogdancristea9270 Před měsícem +11

      @@Acronym6197For us in Eastern Europe she did a great deal of good in helping us to get rid of communism after 45 years of nightmare behind the Iron Curtain. Despite all her misjudgements and internal political errors, we will forever regard her very fondly.

    • @lizbarakat2191
      @lizbarakat2191 Před měsícem +16

      I for one will always remember her as a hard-hearted woman who could never hide her common roots… Her complete lack of compassion and empathy were legendary… Like most Conservatives she could never understand that bad things could happen to decent,hard-working people… As for Ronald Reagan, I didn’t agree with his views but found him to be charming and likeable…

    • @lizetteolsen3218
      @lizetteolsen3218 Před měsícem +18

      Really? How do you define globalism? Reagan was an ardent free trader and anti-communist.

    • @MTknitter22
      @MTknitter22 Před měsícem +7

      @@Acronym6197and that fact (people in streets of England cheering her death) says far more about stupidity of citizenry than it did about Mrs. Thatcher.

    • @MTknitter22
      @MTknitter22 Před měsícem +2

      @@lizbarakat2191wrong entirely about the character of PM Thatcher.

  • @sirrykr1679
    @sirrykr1679 Před měsícem +7

    It is funny to hear Olivia talk about compassion in her role as the Queen, when she portrayed Queen Elizabeth as THE MOST UNcaring, freezing icecle heartless Queen in the entire series. She made Q.E. á thouroughly unlikeable and emotionally stunted person. Hers was the nastiest version of Q.E.
    So, COMPASSION. Lets talk about people living in Glass houses.

    • @nitewarden
      @nitewarden Před měsícem +16

      Seems on brand for her. She never seemed to go in for overt displays of emotion in the moment. She sees it as her duty as monarch to uphold some objective sense of morality and compassion in a broad constituent sense. Maybe she was never nurturing but she still held a set of principles as monarch to live by.

    • @seanp2871
      @seanp2871 Před měsícem +2

      @@nitewarden But compared to the other iterations of Queen Elizabeth (Claire Goy and Imelda Staunton), Olivia Colman's lacks any of the warmth the others have.

    • @roscomeon3965
      @roscomeon3965 Před měsícem

      She portrayed old Lizzy as she was. A cold uncaring hard nosed selfish entitled uber rich woman. The monarchy at all cost and her position.

    • @marsmontufar6319
      @marsmontufar6319 Před měsícem +12

      @@seanp2871 young woman and elderly figure vs. woman in power at her prime

    • @MickeyFlipper
      @MickeyFlipper Před měsícem +6

      @@sirrykr1679 Other circles would describe that manner as ‘Stoic’. Don’t forget…. The Queen answers to God in her duty. With that in mind… I’m sure God would be the same 🤷🏻‍♂️

  • @nielschristiansen731
    @nielschristiansen731 Před měsícem

    Olivia Coleman: the most overrated actress of recent decades

    • @daniellefrancis1476
      @daniellefrancis1476 Před 28 dny

      Don’t remember anyone saying she’s a brilliant actress so she’s hardly overrated!

  • @harrellkerkhoff8054
    @harrellkerkhoff8054 Před 11 dny

    I wish Thatcher could come back to life and be the U.S. President.