I initially worked with Viggen during my military service about 26 years ago at F7 in Såtenäs, Sweden. During my 11 months there, the Viggen was replaced by the JAS 39 Gripen. The Viggen had a more powerful sound than the Gripen. It was always impressive to see them take off, especially with after burners at night.
This particular aircraft is the AJ37 version with the less powerful RM8A engine Maximum thrust: 65.6 kN dry and 115.6 kN with afterburner compared to the JA37 RM8B Maximum thrust: 72.2 kN (16,200 lbf) dry, 125 kN (28,100 lbf) with afterburner
Interesting note is that AJ37 didnt really need a stronger engine as it was a high speed low sltitude atracker, and the engine was not the limiter to the top speed at sea level, According to Stellan Himmerby, retired AJ37 pilot, the airplane got to hot from the air resistance while flying low it could do seriously impressive short burst of low altitude speed on the third stage afterburner, but you had to throttle down to not damage the airplane as the temperature got to hot
Pratt & Whitney JT8D motor, with a different cold stage fan on the front end, afterburner and a thrust-reverser on the back end. This engine was developed for the Boeing 727 and 737 initially. Saab needed more power than what was available with the Rolls Royce Avon used in the Draken, since the Viggen is much heavier.
1975 I was 6 years old and heard a sonic boom from a Draken. Clear skies, no wind... just an extremely loud bang from nowhere. I never saw the plane :)
basicilly a differnt planes one for attack in early 1970s and the other for interception which i assume you refer to - the attackplanes were later modified to carry incepetor missiles -this one os so early 1970s with its metalic look
When I was in school my classmates wanted to be firemen, policemen, rock stars, movie stars and/or otherwise famous. My ONLY desire was to be a fighter pilot. Sadly I had to get glasses when I was a junior in high school. Unrealized dreams.
If the interceptor JA 37 Viggen hit full throttle, the fuel lasted for 8 minutes if you didn't have the external fueltank... The RM 8B engine was a BEAST!
@@Marc-dm1fh no the Viggen still chugs faster than the Su-7 at least if you're talking about with or without afterburner. Viggen wins with afterburner on, Su-7 wins if afterburner is off.
I remember that sound. Growing up in Linköping in the 70s only a mile from the test field there were almost daily test flights. My mother was not happy about the soot that kept landing on our patio :)
I'm proud of my country for quite literally dominating the aircraft technology and AS fighter capability during the Cold War, not only did Sweden develop the first successful post war Jet fighter with a swept wing design, but also the first tailless double delta wing aircraft, which also lead to the first ever use of the Cobra maneuver. Our air force was the 4th largest and could hold it's own against both the USSR and the US air forces.
This is what happens when you let everyone go to university for a cheap cheap loan. Loads of creative and techincally inclined people will have access to advanced mathematics and education, and development will be relatively cheap. Swedish ingenuity is truly something to be proud of. My cousin was part of developing the wings for JAS. He told me they bent them double in the stress test, and they held. They maxed out the limit multiple times and after that the head engineer said "let's break them for fun" and the amount of force they could take was imense. When they shattered it was like confetti. My cousin said that the celebration party afterwards was epic.
@@johnnywalkertexas1213 Yeah, my old math teacher was on the diagnostics team when the JAS-39 Gripen was being developed, he said that even though it has an automatic eject feature if you go above 9Gs, it could easily handle 11-13Gs, it was only for pilot safety. Literally no part of said feature was to preserve the structural integrity, because there was no need
No reason not to acknowledge Saab's achievments, but no - they didn't develop the first successful post war sept wing fighter jet, they did come in a close third though. And "dominating the aircraft technology" (literally or figuratively) is a bit of a stretch, given the competition during the era, wouldn't you agree?
Extra impressive that it could do this takeoff, and also landing, on pretty much any half decent stretch of road. Literally no need for special built runways.
Both Vigger and Jas is based around the idea that 100% of the Military Airfields would be knocked out during the first week of a confrontation with Russia. so it needed to be able to land on shorter anding strips ( Roads)
There are still many roads specially designed for landing around the countryside in Sweden, colloquially called 'flygrakor' (flight-straigts), suddenly when you are driving along a normal 'b-road' it becomes completely straight and level for a few hundred meters without light poles and all foliage trimmed away to accommodate the wingspan of a fighter. A bit eery you check your mirrors for overtaking jets 😁
@@KaizokuSencho Yes but the fun part is they dont need that. They can operate on any part of normal road that is straight long enough. And just looking on the E4 thats alot...
A fun trip to malmö ended in 9 stitches for me Now i'm seeing the same family name in the town over and there have been 2 shootings since they moved in :) Which makes it 4 shootings in that town since the invention of firearms btw. The other two both having been aimed at skattmasen.
@Lukky_Luke this is a seriously short takeoff roll for a fighter, it looked like less than 500m. For context most fighters require at least twice that distance to get into the air.
International fighter deals are more about politics than the characteristics of the plane. Still, I suppose Canada does not have the need for being able to run its fighters from ordinary country roads in case all air bases are knocked out, like Sweden does. We are a lot closer to Russia...
It’s the take off distance required for take off. They’re designed to take off and land on very short, 500m air strips, especially when you consider their size and weight. And this is the version with the weaker engine, can’t even imagine how’s the stronger one would perform.
? And what's so special about it? It's a takeoff like any other. The distance is shorter than a passenger plane's but a Cessna also takes off after a very short distance.
@@Dimage666Probably all of them, provided that they still can fly. My father is older than 50 years old and he also can still takeoff after a couple of beers.
From standstill to airborn in about 10 sec. There are other videos showing it done in 8 seconds. The jet is more than 50 years old, compare it with others contemporary and you'll understand whats impressive.
it´s shows the brutal engine force to do the short take off with relatively low speed and then also the left turn which normaly is done a few seconds later in the program....
There never was a JAS version of Viggen. You're probably thinking about Viggen's successor, the JAS 39 Gripen. (Which had one of the fewest number of crashes during development of all fighter jets in history.)
@@darthwader4472 There were initially five versions - AJ (attack (main role)/fighter), Sk (two seater training version, had no radar, less internal fuel and no weapons capability), SH (sea reconnaissance, with a powerful sea radar, could also carry a camera pod), SF (reconnaissance without radar but with cameras, designed to fly in tandem with SH) and finally JA (fighter (main role)/attack). Towards the EOL for the Viggen system the AJ, SF and SH were upgraded to AJS (attack still the main role but could also carry a camera pod) and AJSF and AJSH (still reconnaissance but upgraded with some attack and fighter capabilities (auto cannon pod/attack rockets). The JA (which was a much newer and more advanced platform) was upgraded to JA37Di with an all-new (very Gripen like) glass cockpit and the datalink from the Gripen installed (among other things) and the Sk37 became the Sk37E (electronic warfare role, since there no longer was any need for a trainer version). Unlike the JAS Gripen which (more or less) can handle all three roles equally well and where the exact same aircraft is used for these the upgraded Viggen versions still had an emphasis on the originally intended role but the (limited) capability was there. There are currently two flying examples of Viggen, the one in the clip above started its life as an AJ (not JA) and did receive the AJS upgrade but has been cosmetically changed to the launch "color scheme" (bare metal). The two-seater was also updated to the Sk37E spec but I assume they've removed the electronic warfare equipment). TL;DR: you're right in that there was no JAS37 but there was an AJS37.
I initially worked with Viggen during my military service about 26 years ago at F7 in Såtenäs, Sweden. During my 11 months there, the Viggen was replaced by the JAS 39 Gripen. The Viggen had a more powerful sound than the Gripen. It was always impressive to see them take off, especially with after burners at night.
Well, the Viggen engine is almost as big as an entire Gripen. Well, not really but the size difference is insane
Viggen ROARS while Gripen howls.
Me 2 but i was in F4 :)
This particular aircraft is the AJ37 version with the less powerful RM8A engine Maximum thrust: 65.6 kN dry and 115.6 kN with afterburner compared to the JA37 RM8B Maximum thrust: 72.2 kN (16,200 lbf) dry, 125 kN (28,100 lbf) with afterburner
AJS 37 if we'ere going to be correcting people. 😉
And its Stellan Andersson from SweAFHF flying it :D
Interesting note is that AJ37 didnt really need a stronger engine as it was a high speed low sltitude atracker, and the engine was not the limiter to the top speed at sea level,
According to Stellan Himmerby, retired AJ37 pilot, the airplane got to hot from the air resistance while flying low it could do seriously impressive short burst of low altitude speed on the third stage afterburner, but you had to throttle down to not damage the airplane as the temperature got to hot
@@AttiliusRex but thr engine was trash for maneuver fights, at higher AOA it would stall.
Pratt & Whitney JT8D motor, with a different cold stage fan on the front end, afterburner and a thrust-reverser on the back end. This engine was developed for the Boeing 727 and 737 initially. Saab needed more power than what was available with the Rolls Royce Avon used in the Draken, since the Viggen is much heavier.
Viggen has a thrust reverser for short landings and that also enables it to taxi in reverse.
For when you forgot to buy milk!
That was always my favourite "Viggen trick"; STOLanding followed by putting it in reverse"
1975 I was 6 years old and heard a sonic boom from a Draken. Clear skies, no wind... just an extremely loud bang from nowhere. I never saw the plane :)
Brutal maskin som bara av blotta synen inger respekt! Att kunna kontrollera en sådan brutal maskin är inspirerande! Ett otroligt fint flygplan!
A beast of a aircraft. One of my favourites along with the 104
Impressive it is! Very under appreciated the Viggen 👌
basicilly a differnt planes one for attack in early 1970s and the other for interception which i assume you refer to - the attackplanes were later modified to carry incepetor missiles -this one os so early 1970s with its metalic look
same with their tanks, notably the s tank design
ancient stuff
When I was in school my classmates wanted to be firemen, policemen, rock stars, movie stars and/or otherwise famous. My ONLY desire was to be a fighter pilot. Sadly I had to get glasses when I was a junior in high school. Unrealized dreams.
If the interceptor JA 37 Viggen hit full throttle, the fuel lasted for 8 minutes if you didn't have the external fueltank... The RM 8B engine was a BEAST!
it chugs like no other
@@alex190alex Except maybe the Lyulka in the Su-7. "Can carry fuel or bombs, but not both".
@@Marc-dm1fh no the Viggen still chugs faster than the Su-7 at least if you're talking about with or without afterburner. Viggen wins with afterburner on, Su-7 wins if afterburner is off.
@@alex190alex I don't really care, it was a throwaway comment on a CZcams clip. If you've found deeper meaning in it, you're welcome, I guess?
@@Marc-dm1fh weird for you to even put the effort in then lol
I remember that sound. Growing up in Linköping in the 70s only a mile from the test field there were almost daily test flights. My mother was not happy about the soot that kept landing on our patio :)
I'm proud of my country for quite literally dominating the aircraft technology and AS fighter capability during the Cold War, not only did Sweden develop the first successful post war Jet fighter with a swept wing design, but also the first tailless double delta wing aircraft, which also lead to the first ever use of the Cobra maneuver. Our air force was the 4th largest and could hold it's own against both the USSR and the US air forces.
This is what happens when you let everyone go to university for a cheap cheap loan. Loads of creative and techincally inclined people will have access to advanced mathematics and education, and development will be relatively cheap. Swedish ingenuity is truly something to be proud of.
My cousin was part of developing the wings for JAS. He told me they bent them double in the stress test, and they held. They maxed out the limit multiple times and after that the head engineer said "let's break them for fun" and the amount of force they could take was imense. When they shattered it was like confetti.
My cousin said that the celebration party afterwards was epic.
@@johnnywalkertexas1213 Yeah, my old math teacher was on the diagnostics team when the JAS-39 Gripen was being developed, he said that even though it has an automatic eject feature if you go above 9Gs, it could easily handle 11-13Gs, it was only for pilot safety. Literally no part of said feature was to preserve the structural integrity, because there was no need
No reason not to acknowledge Saab's achievments, but no - they didn't develop the first successful post war sept wing fighter jet, they did come in a close third though. And "dominating the aircraft technology" (literally or figuratively) is a bit of a stretch, given the competition during the era, wouldn't you agree?
Great skills of the pilot
Amazing aircraft.
What an impressive takeoff that was… astonishing!
That beast just claws itself into the air !
Bro that take off was so quick
Yes, it was designed to be able to start and land from a stretch of ordinary highway, without having to use a regular airfield strip.
@@louise_rose yes I am aware of this
Extra impressive that it could do this takeoff, and also landing, on pretty much any half decent stretch of road. Literally no need for special built runways.
Damn!! Impresssive!
Vackert att se. Stolt att vara svensk när jag ser detta vackra flygplan.
This was 1 of the competitors of the F-4 PHANTOM....
Ooh, very nice!
Both Vigger and Jas is based around the idea that 100% of the Military Airfields would be knocked out during the first week of a confrontation with Russia. so it needed to be able to land on shorter anding strips ( Roads)
There are still many roads specially designed for landing around the countryside in Sweden, colloquially called 'flygrakor' (flight-straigts), suddenly when you are driving along a normal 'b-road' it becomes completely straight and level for a few hundred meters without light poles and all foliage trimmed away to accommodate the wingspan of a fighter. A bit eery you check your mirrors for overtaking jets 😁
@@KaizokuSencho Yes but the fun part is they dont need that. They can operate on any part of normal road that is straight long enough. And just looking on the E4 thats alot...
@@bollinger3034 The perpared places also have service areas around them.
@@apersson850 Yes they have and our enemy also know that. Those roads are mainly for training in peacetime.
Förut hade vi Viggen, Volvo, kärnkraft och ordning och reda.
Det var på den tiden vi inte behövde släpa på EU-frälset, massvis med Söder-hipsters, miljöpartister och en mängd dolda makthavare.
That looked dangerous 😳
that is litturaly what the viggen was designed to do
AJS 37
Attack-Jakt-Spaning
I prefer to see the Viggen landing. The only jet fighter with thrust reverser.
Panavia Tornado. Of course the Viggen was always the better fighter, but you were "wrong on the Internet".
Impressive toy!!
Brute force!
Eleven seconds from first roll to wheels up ??????????
Back in the days when Sweden was a normal and safe country...
the good ol days..now it's just a violent immigrant ghetto.
@@Oscar-ds2vb Thank you sir! I guess you are swedish like me?
@@supergeten2 yes I am.
A fun trip to malmö ended in 9 stitches for me
Now i'm seeing the same family name in the town over and there have been 2 shootings since they moved in :)
Which makes it 4 shootings in that town since the invention of firearms btw. The other two both having been aimed at skattmasen.
Hope you sort out your issues. Hello from the other side of Øresund.
Great!
144 cubic meters per second?!?! Dang that is some serious suction.
How do you tag Paris Hilton?
@@LukasBulevicius 😂😂
wow
Det där är ett sjukt snabbt plan! Hercules landar och startar på ungefär lika mycket landingsbana. och det där är gamla Viggen
Properly done
"30 knots, starting to rotate..."
Well that short 😂 man the navy spent all that money on f 35
Sverige, när det var som bäst...
AJ37
Does it still in service for swedish air force??
Nope, last flight was 2005
No; it's been replaced by the JAS-39 Gripen (Griffin) which is even better. (and that's from a Viggen fan)
Back in the days when sweden was worth defending
and why don´t you feel it´s worth defending now?
@@Dimage666Its muslim country now
Keller of SR71
Wrong titel, its an AJS37 not JA37
Isnt turning right after takeoff a bad idea?
Not if some rebel is waiting for you with a manpad at the end of the airfield
Yes. But turning left is a great idea 😅
IF you take of on a public road, you might run straight into woods if you fly straight ahead
Thats why he turned Left
Short short. 🐰👍
Uhh...that was short
Excellent plane, very advanced!
Why do they put wheels on rockets ??
so the pilot can get in it at the ground.. :P
No need of wheels on the moon hahhahahahahaahahahaa@@Dimage666
I'd take 10 of these over one J-35!
Why? Because it actually got off the ground? 🤔
In all seriousness, I'm disappointed Canada didn't go with the Gripen.
think maybe the distance it used to get up into the air? But I have no clue myself :)
We are slaves to the U.S., technically.
@Lukky_Luke this is a seriously short takeoff roll for a fighter, it looked like less than 500m. For context most fighters require at least twice that distance to get into the air.
International fighter deals are more about politics than the characteristics of the plane. Still, I suppose Canada does not have the need for being able to run its fighters from ordinary country roads in case all air bases are knocked out, like Sweden does. We are a lot closer to Russia...
war thunder takeoff fr
That is no JA-37 Viggen.
It is AJ-37 Viggen.
AJS 37 Viggen .....actually.....
@@Mange070 I am not so much into fighterjets anymore but atleast I know how a JA-37 looks like.
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Its not a JA.
america is so behind in technology
america is at the forefront in technology ^^, even if you dont like them you cannot pretend they arent
America has stealth jets that can shove a missile up your ass from beyond the horizon
Kör Bara ....
Wow, I wonder what this guy thinks is not impressive.
Made with IKEA wood
What ???? .....Just a normal take off for god sake !
It’s the take off distance required for take off. They’re designed to take off and land on very short, 500m air strips, especially when you consider their size and weight.
And this is the version with the weaker engine, can’t even imagine how’s the stronger one would perform.
"Short field takeoff" So what? No big deal, I do it all the time.
? And what's so special about it? It's a takeoff like any other. The distance is shorter than a passenger plane's but a Cessna also takes off after a very short distance.
So what other 50 year old fighter jet can do what this video shows??
@@Dimage666Probably all of them, provided that they still can fly.
My father is older than 50 years old and he also can still takeoff after a couple of beers.
Let me know, with video evidence, when you get a Cessna 152 wheels up at 200kts in 10 s from start of roll.
what is so impressive about this????
From standstill to airborn in about 10 sec. There are other videos showing it done in 8 seconds. The jet is more than 50 years old, compare it with others contemporary and you'll understand whats impressive.
That was one short take off - straight into an evasive turn
What is impressive???
Well, twelve second from standing still to leaving the ground impress me but you (Italian guy??) needs more. Why? Explain please...
that most modern fighter jets can't do it...?
Tell me what other 50 year old fighter jet that can do what you just saw.
Not much, if the ZELL Starfighter had ever entered service and done a 15 minute landing, rearm and refuel and take-off like a Viggen has.
Where is the impressive part?
Well James, now google the distance American or French or Engish or Isreli or Chinese fighters need.
....and what is impressive with this take off??????
It is VERY short for a massive fighter aircraft
It's short.
That that viggen has STOL capabilities
it´s shows the brutal engine force to do the short take off with relatively low speed and then also the left turn which normaly is done a few seconds later in the program....
@@LL-vy5bj Its a sport fighter
Not really impressive
For something that was used over 50 years ago it's pretty impressive to be fair ;)
Jedyny myśliwiec który może jeździć na pasie startowym do tyłu.
Message to Putin - Do not mess with Sweden. Message to NATO get them in asap.
JAS37 Viggen is the world's best "tiller" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🦽🦽🦽🦽
There never was a JAS version of Viggen. You're probably thinking about Viggen's successor, the JAS 39 Gripen. (Which had one of the fewest number of crashes during development of all fighter jets in history.)
@@darthwader4472 Yes , thanks🙈
@@darthwader4472 There were initially five versions - AJ (attack (main role)/fighter), Sk (two seater training version, had no radar, less internal fuel and no weapons capability), SH (sea reconnaissance, with a powerful sea radar, could also carry a camera pod), SF (reconnaissance without radar but with cameras, designed to fly in tandem with SH) and finally JA (fighter (main role)/attack). Towards the EOL for the Viggen system the AJ, SF and SH were upgraded to AJS (attack still the main role but could also carry a camera pod) and AJSF and AJSH (still reconnaissance but upgraded with some attack and fighter capabilities (auto cannon pod/attack rockets). The JA (which was a much newer and more advanced platform) was upgraded to JA37Di with an all-new (very Gripen like) glass cockpit and the datalink from the Gripen installed (among other things) and the Sk37 became the Sk37E (electronic warfare role, since there no longer was any need for a trainer version). Unlike the JAS Gripen which (more or less) can handle all three roles equally well and where the exact same aircraft is used for these the upgraded Viggen versions still had an emphasis on the originally intended role but the (limited) capability was there.
There are currently two flying examples of Viggen, the one in the clip above started its life as an AJ (not JA) and did receive the AJS upgrade but has been cosmetically changed to the launch "color scheme" (bare metal). The two-seater was also updated to the Sk37E spec but I assume they've removed the electronic warfare equipment).
TL;DR: you're right in that there was no JAS37 but there was an AJS37.