Frederick Douglass vs Thomas Jefferson. Epic Rap Battles of History

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  • Frederick Douglass vs Thomas Jefferson. Epic Rap Battles of History
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  • @RNKFanArt
    @RNKFanArt Před 2 lety +12823

    Frederick Douglass was against slavery but he owned Thomas Jefferson.

  • @rocky4629
    @rocky4629 Před 4 lety +6519

    “Ah Fredrick I’ve never heard a verse I Doug Less”
    that line was so corny i ended up laughing too hard.

    • @Nayhan123
      @Nayhan123 Před 4 lety +11

      epiphany you got likes thought I'd tell you

    • @rocky4629
      @rocky4629 Před 4 lety +12

      aaron bacchus i know that

    • @michaelgiffen7541
      @michaelgiffen7541 Před 4 lety +108

      I hate that I didn't get that until I saw this

    • @drewwatkins3053
      @drewwatkins3053 Před 4 lety +14

      @@michaelgiffen7541 same lmao

    • @sephiroth24592
      @sephiroth24592 Před 4 lety +10

      I was in the shower when I realized that was a pun....

  • @minecraftsteve2504
    @minecraftsteve2504 Před rokem +5806

    "YOU LET FREEDOM RING BUT DIDN'T PICK UP THE PHONE MAN"
    I love it.
    Douglas came out not seeking violence, but seeking the truth.

    • @GoingToAFuneral
      @GoingToAFuneral Před rokem +32

      YOO YOU GOT A HEART CONGRATS

    • @minecraftsteve2504
      @minecraftsteve2504 Před rokem +41

      @@GoingToAFuneral honestly I wasn't anticipating it
      Really threw me off guard when I saw it in my notifications
      Much love to the boys behind erb

    • @weego2585
      @weego2585 Před rokem +16

      @@minecraftsteve2504they really are good guys ngl.

    • @wldnrkls
      @wldnrkls Před rokem +5

      you didn't even get the quote right with the video right in front of you

    • @greasemaster
      @greasemaster Před rokem

      Ggs

  • @Hei_Darkfire
    @Hei_Darkfire Před rokem +4523

    1:23 Can we just appreciate how much effort ERB puts into these. They took 7 shots of the guy playing Frederick instead of just copying and pasting one shot into all of the photos. That is real dedication.

    • @WashingMachine.
      @WashingMachine. Před rokem +202

      Bro actually got a heart after 6 years, thats an actual legendary move from ERB

    • @greasemaster
      @greasemaster Před rokem +13

      It sure is

    • @ServerYT
      @ServerYT Před rokem +39

      > That is real dedication.
      HEADS FOR RACIST TAILS FOR SLAVE PLANTATION

    • @clickthisforawsomnes
      @clickthisforawsomnes Před rokem +27

      They do things like this in every rap. Theres always eye candy and small things you can spot in the background. You can tell they love their craft

    • @what_s_that_question_mark
      @what_s_that_question_mark Před rokem +4

      @@clickthisforawsomnes And we love 'em too!

  • @nicolasdiaz1542
    @nicolasdiaz1542 Před 3 lety +23560

    For anyone who didn't know, when Frederick Douglass talked about the photos, he was bragging about how he was the most photographed person in the 18th century

    • @cortes2j
      @cortes2j Před 3 lety +1326

      He was born in the 19th century…

    • @nicolasdiaz1542
      @nicolasdiaz1542 Před 3 lety +1533

      @@cortes2j yes, you're right. Thats my mistake

    • @Discojericho
      @Discojericho Před 3 lety +826

      @@nicolasdiaz1542 Its not like there was a more photogenic or photographed person in the 18th century so you are fine.

    • @MichellePaulette79
      @MichellePaulette79 Před 3 lety +379

      How many people from the 19th century can you look at their photos, and they have a style that would not be completely out of place even today.
      Ahead of his time in so many ways.... even fashion!
      I do wish that somewhere in this rap battle were his words to the youth in his own Time..
      Agitate, agitate, agitate!
      Which I personally think is great advice!
      Yet another reason this man was so far ahead of his time.

    • @cortes2j
      @cortes2j Před 3 lety +18

      @@MichellePaulette79 about four…

  • @rebeccad9635
    @rebeccad9635 Před 3 lety +4727

    "and I ceased being an alien to your unalienable rights" holy fucking shit dawg

    • @hephsmith3738
      @hephsmith3738 Před 3 lety +11

      400 likes to the Meme Master!

    • @JeiHeirumaru
      @JeiHeirumaru Před 2 lety +125

      “And ‘we the people’ stopped meaning ‘we the people…who are white’ “

    • @janverfaillie8943
      @janverfaillie8943 Před 2 lety +25

      0:18 "I'm endowed with certain unalienable skills"

    • @theasexualidiot4803
      @theasexualidiot4803 Před 2 lety +8

      @@janverfaillie8943 bro dug his own grave in one his first verses

    • @theasexualidiot4803
      @theasexualidiot4803 Před 2 lety +1

      Dude just burned him at the stake like the Roman’s did to the Catholics.

  • @proctorritter5176
    @proctorritter5176 Před 2 lety +7908

    This is easily an S tier ERB:
    -Filled with accurate and important history references (I never knew that the house on the back of the nickel was Jefferson’s plantation)
    -Humanizes Jefferson, but doesn’t glorify him
    -Great beats
    -Douglass’s roasts were so good that Jefferson used his entire second verse to apologize for his first verse

    • @doyleharris6773
      @doyleharris6773 Před 2 lety

      Yes it's top tier shit until it went full on pander to public education white guilt
      It really shows the lack of education in America
      I bet most Americans think the Civil War was about slavery as well

    • @sylvietapos807
      @sylvietapos807 Před 2 lety +12

      @Nemesis Hi! What is the difference?

    • @adsads196
      @adsads196 Před 2 lety +87

      @@sylvietapos807 B is below S and A

    • @MessiNotPessi
      @MessiNotPessi Před 2 lety +83

      I hate your opinion. it's D for me. Douglass had the worst flow in the entirety of ERB history. He had to say every screwed up thing about Jefferson. The disses were barely hard hitting

    • @mrfunny9231
      @mrfunny9231 Před 2 lety +143

      @@MessiNotPessi that’s kinda what the guy said in the erb ranking video
      The guy who put Gordon Ramsey vs Julia Child in D tier

  • @Zeke1460
    @Zeke1460 Před 2 lety +4856

    Douglass’s lines about “the 4th of July is an important holiday but what does it mean to this guy?” Is referring to a speech he gave about the 4th of July. Basically in that speech he discussed how the 4th of july is when america celebrates freedom and liberation but at the same time they continued to enslave black people, so the 4th of July was just a reminder of enslavement for black people.

    • @emlynselene1096
      @emlynselene1096 Před 2 lety +196

      Here to add on it's called "What, to a slave, is the 4th of July?"

    • @dilloncasey1194
      @dilloncasey1194 Před rokem +105

      It’s also taking a shot at Jefferson who had 6 babies with his slave only 4 survived she had a choice though to be free in France or return to America with Jefferson she chose to go with him as long as long as her children would become free when they turn 21 which Jefferson never did until he died on the 4th of July 1826

    • @phillipsnichole2857
      @phillipsnichole2857 Před rokem +8

      '... But what does it mean to this guy... ' well, CTFD. Doesn't it stand to reason that speeches like the one you refer to are meant to set the frame work in the mind of people of that time? Instant gratification of fast societal change is not a reasonable expectation. Change is slow. Speeches are made to inspire thought and debate.

    • @gandalf_thegrey
      @gandalf_thegrey Před rokem +11

      @@dilloncasey1194 I mean, not really unexpected the 2 out of 6 babies die.
      I would even go as far an claim thats a pretty good ratio for the time

    • @grendal113
      @grendal113 Před rokem +3

      To be fair. Stayed on the plantation has a real meaning for cowards.

  • @tadstrange1465
    @tadstrange1465 Před 4 lety +13775

    I love how legitimately pissed Fredrick Douglass seems here.

    • @MrLoukato
      @MrLoukato Před 4 lety +1188

      I mean it's a slave owner vs a former slave. Considering how stuff was back then and all he went through, I feel like he has a right to be pissed.

    • @TheHenrydu
      @TheHenrydu Před 4 lety +288

      ikr, has to be too, with their parody on NWA, nigga does have an attitude

    • @tadstrange1465
      @tadstrange1465 Před 4 lety +162

      Rohunt
      Yeah it's great acting on this guy's part

    • @samiryeahman7005
      @samiryeahman7005 Před 4 lety +25

      Tad Strange is that a gravity falls character I see????

    • @nathanseper8738
      @nathanseper8738 Před 4 lety +144

      There is nothing more powerful than righteous fury.

  • @portalmasterjake5267
    @portalmasterjake5267 Před 3 lety +3467

    dude i just got, "you died on the 4th of july, its a very important holiday, but what the fuck does it mean to this guy?"
    he wrote a speech called, "what is the 4th of july to a slave"
    wack

    • @neilpemberton5523
      @neilpemberton5523 Před 3 lety +117

      It is possibly his best speech ever.

    • @distaffpope2603
      @distaffpope2603 Před 3 lety +30

      @@neilpemberton5523 It's such fire

    • @senoritarat9520
      @senoritarat9520 Před 2 lety +9

      DAMNNN

    • @droid327
      @droid327 Před 2 lety +79

      Ironically, in that speech he actually quotes Jefferson decrying the evil of slavery

    • @ssj2camaro21
      @ssj2camaro21 Před 2 lety +3

      Well seems like we have that same issue today with BLM.

  • @generaljesus7669
    @generaljesus7669 Před rokem +714

    It's crazy cause I feel like Jeffferson"s first verse was absolutely lethal: he just had the wrong opponent

    • @philiphockenbury6563
      @philiphockenbury6563 Před 7 měsíci +136

      The first verse was fantastic. It’s just that he’s fighting THE Black Abolitionist. So Jefferson was set up to get dunked on.

    • @erobertwicker
      @erobertwicker Před 4 měsíci +33

      @@philiphockenbury6563Agreed. Imagine if it was Thomas Jefferson vs John Adams or something like that, they ultimately were friends but disagreed on a many great things. I think Lloyd could’ve played a great Adams in my opinion.

    • @TG-om1ue
      @TG-om1ue Před 2 měsíci +15

      They had to give Jefferson an opponent he basically couldnt beat, because if it was literally anyone else he wouldve fucking crushed them. He just did too much to not clown on anyone except for the dude who was a slave, got free and became a famous Abolitionist

    • @UmbreonMessiah
      @UmbreonMessiah Před 2 měsíci +15

      In almost any other context, Jefferson's first verse would have ended the whole battle. Almost nobody can stand up to the things he accomplished in his life.
      ...but across from him is one of the only people with the knowledge, the know-how and the credentials to do just that.

    • @TG-om1ue
      @TG-om1ue Před 2 měsíci +8

      @UmbreonMessiah it's basically impossible to beat Douglass because of what he did with his life. Beyond making fun of his looks and calling him basically a narcissist (both of which Jefferson does) there isn't anything else you can touch. You could probably put anyone against Douglass and the result would be a loss

  • @gamerstheater1187
    @gamerstheater1187 Před rokem +1056

    “This ain’t Louisiana, man I ain’t buying it” I love this, it’s a reference to when Thomas bought the Louisiana territory from Napoleon

    • @Thespikedballofdoom
      @Thespikedballofdoom Před rokem +15

      thanks, I somehow never caught that

    • @IsaaacWithThreeA
      @IsaaacWithThreeA Před rokem +18

      “How dare you adress moi, you adolescent worm.”

    • @CA.papaBear
      @CA.papaBear Před rokem +6

      @@IsaaacWithThreeA Damn it I read it and instead of reading it mentally with a normal voice instead in my head I read it as though I mentally sounded like Napoleon Bonaparte.

    • @IsaaacWithThreeA
      @IsaaacWithThreeA Před rokem +3

      @@CA.papaBear This bastard’s about to see how bad a battle can be.

    • @joannnuneza4919
      @joannnuneza4919 Před rokem +3

      Finally someone who saw it.

  • @tjwinston5369
    @tjwinston5369 Před 4 lety +8433

    I don't remember this part of Hamilton

    • @lucascurio8345
      @lucascurio8345 Před 3 lety +247

      Because in real life Hamilton and his wife were big slave owners, Douglas would whoop their arses.

    • @tjwinston5369
      @tjwinston5369 Před 3 lety +73

      @@lucascurio8345 that's a #bruhmoment if I do say so myself

    • @jp3813
      @jp3813 Před 3 lety +188

      ​@@lucascurio8345 Douglas won't even need something like that since Hamilton destroyed his own reputation which prevented him from ever becoming president.
      Got this from Wikipedia:
      Hamilton is not known to have ever owned slaves, although members of his family were slave owners. At the time of her death, Hamilton's mother owned two slaves named Christian and Ajax, and she had written a will leaving them to her sons; however, due to their illegitimacy, Hamilton and his brother were held ineligible to inherit her property, and never took ownership of the slaves. Later, as a youth in St. Croix, Hamilton worked for a company trading in commodities that included slaves. During his career, Hamilton did occasionally purchase or sell slaves for others as their legal representative, and one of Hamilton's grandsons interpreted some of these journal entries as being purchases for himself.
      By the time of Hamilton's early participation in the American Revolution, his abolitionist sensibilities had become evident. Hamilton was active during the Revolution in trying to raise black troops for the army, with the promise of freedom. In the 1780s and 1790s, he generally opposed pro-slavery southern interests, which he saw as hypocritical to the values of the American Revolution. In 1785, he joined his close associate John Jay in founding the New-York Society for Promoting the Manumission of Slaves, and Protecting Such of Them as Have Been, or May be Liberated, the main anti-slavery organization in New York. The society successfully promoted the abolition of the international slave trade in New York City and passed a state law to end slavery in New York through a decades-long process of emancipation, with a final end to slavery in the state on July 4, 1827.
      At a time when most white leaders doubted the capacity of blacks, Hamilton believed slavery was morally wrong and wrote that "their natural faculties are as good as ours." Unlike contemporaries such as Jefferson, who considered the removal of freed slaves (to a western territory, the West Indies, or Africa) to be essential to any plan for emancipation, Hamilton pressed for emancipation with no such provisions. Hamilton and other Federalists supported Toussaint Louverture's revolution against France in Haiti, which had originated as a slave revolt. Hamilton's suggestions helped shape the Haitian constitution. In 1804 when Haiti became the Western Hemisphere's first independent state with a majority of the population being black, Hamilton urged closer economic and diplomatic ties.

    • @lucascurio8345
      @lucascurio8345 Před 3 lety +39

      jp3813 holy shit nice paragraph dude

    • @jp3813
      @jp3813 Před 3 lety +21

      @@lucascurio8345 It ain't mine. lol

  • @arielcahn7728
    @arielcahn7728 Před 3 lety +10714

    "You let freedom ring but never picked up the phone"
    I come back to this battle for this line. Genius.

    • @lokitmg4123
      @lokitmg4123 Před 3 lety +67

      Clever line

    • @parsalan7775
      @parsalan7775 Před 3 lety +340

      Even better when you realize that Fredrick Douglas lived long enough to see the invention of the telephone.

    • @toodmorales8462
      @toodmorales8462 Před 3 lety +23

      I’m happy I was the guy to provide you with 1k, cause I agreeeeeee

    • @datguymiller
      @datguymiller Před 2 lety +15

      Also made sure former president Jefferson was finished with his rap

    • @flappynautintheocean8824
      @flappynautintheocean8824 Před 2 lety +5

      @@lokitmg4123 can't be tamed bros

  • @jeffreydudgeon4579
    @jeffreydudgeon4579 Před rokem +481

    Those last two lines,
    "I ain't denying your fame
    I'm just saying they need to put an asterisk next to your name"
    Perfectly encapsulates this video

    • @rach2111
      @rach2111 Před 10 měsíci +17

      I feel like Jefferson would agree.

    • @HookCamper
      @HookCamper Před 8 měsíci +3

      An asterisk meaning what? I thought that line was left vague so the viewer could add their own meaning to the meaninglessness, like Kanye lyrics.

    • @jeffreydudgeon4579
      @jeffreydudgeon4579 Před 8 měsíci +36

      @@HookCamper that Jefferson, despite all his high minded ideals of freedom, was a slave-owner. So I thought the line was pretty straight forward.

    • @ramen2192
      @ramen2192 Před 8 měsíci +30

      @@HookCamper asterisks in writing usually mean that there are caveats or more context to add to the situation

  • @NotConnor-NotAtAll
    @NotConnor-NotAtAll Před rokem +437

    Douglas was so powerful, that Jefferson spent his whole second verse trying to make peace with him

    • @Hokum6
      @Hokum6 Před 4 měsíci +6

      First and only time in an ERB. Feels wrong.

    • @luckii.__17
      @luckii.__17 Před 4 měsíci +4

      @@Hokum6 I think he should've been like "yeah I did that so what", even though he wasn't really like that irl I guess.

    • @TG-om1ue
      @TG-om1ue Před 2 měsíci +8

      @@luckii.__17 The problem is he basically cant attack Frederick Douglass on anything besides what he did in the first verse. Douglass is like the ultimate rap battle trump card because you cant really make fun of the guy who spent his whole life talking about how bad slavery was. Had Jefferson had literally anyone else as an opponent he would win easily

    • @duongnguyen-mb3rp
      @duongnguyen-mb3rp Před 7 dny

      @@luckii.__17 too bad he was rapping agains Douglass of all people cause if he said that, it would just make things worse for him

  • @aaronjohnson1647
    @aaronjohnson1647 Před 4 lety +10929

    They fit a whole semester of high school history in 3 min

    • @gunargundarson1626
      @gunargundarson1626 Před 4 lety +356

      Another reason why the current education system is whack.

    • @notlogical4016
      @notlogical4016 Před 4 lety +31

      @@gunargundarson1626 yee yee

    • @inactiveuserakashahb3201
      @inactiveuserakashahb3201 Před 4 lety +24

      @@gunargundarson1626 hee hee

    • @justsomeguy1014
      @justsomeguy1014 Před 4 lety +68

      No Lollygagging the system WACK, the teachers WACK, the school WACK, the textbooks WACK

    • @notlogical4016
      @notlogical4016 Před 4 lety +53

      Yosuru Shi it doesn’t, the school system just forces it on you for a semester. Because the schools are dumb

  • @sabercat2178
    @sabercat2178 Před 5 lety +12338

    >”I’m so down with revolutions I invented the swivel chair”
    >google
    >HE ACTUALLY INVENTED THE SWIVEL CHAIR

  • @iaincoleman5947
    @iaincoleman5947 Před rokem +733

    "I'm just saying, you need to put an asterisk next to your name" is one of the greatest, most lethal rapier thrusts in all of ERB

    • @G01NGP0ZT4L
      @G01NGP0ZT4L Před rokem +21

      THE WAY HE SAID IT SEALS IT

    • @jackscliparchives1080
      @jackscliparchives1080 Před rokem +2

      I don’t get it still

    • @markbrehob5592
      @markbrehob5592 Před rokem +56

      @@jackscliparchives1080 In sports, they will often put someone as a record holder but add an asterisk saying there was some issue (game called early or something). He's saying "you were great, but there were issues so important that when anyone mentions how great you were, this stain on your record will always be mentioned".

    • @jackscliparchives1080
      @jackscliparchives1080 Před rokem +7

      @@markbrehob5592 The line sucks

    • @chocolateavian
      @chocolateavian Před rokem +25

      @@jackscliparchives1080 i dont think you get how amazing it is

  • @renaissancenerd3801
    @renaissancenerd3801 Před 2 lety +2557

    can we talk about how "I didn't do anything to stop the slave trade or free my own slaves because I was worried about my money" is such a painfully realistic thing for a politician to say
    Edit: the sheer amount of people in the replies looking for any and all excuses for Jefferson genuinely boggles my mind

    • @carlosg8103
      @carlosg8103 Před 2 lety +19

      @MasteroMatter Yep you are right

    • @CidVeldoril
      @CidVeldoril Před 2 lety +146

      To be fair he lived in a time when having money meant being able to vote and he was not some kind of dictator who could have easily changed stuff. To be able to change anything for the better on any issue he needed to have money.

    • @lordspam2721
      @lordspam2721 Před 2 lety +57

      I agree. Jefferson and Douglas were both epic and this battle was weak. People have such a blinded view of history. They were both based AF

    • @camelholocaust5149
      @camelholocaust5149 Před rokem +134

      Jefferson was tortured over this, he argued for freeing American slaves most of his life, tried to outlaw slavery in VA and wanted to include a condemnation of slavery in the declaration but the founders thought it would isolate the southern colonies. I've never figured out exactly why he didn't free his slaves when he died, but I think he was in debt and was using the slaves as collateral. I may be wrong about that but everytime I try to look it up I get conflicting answers.

    • @degayify
      @degayify Před rokem +11

      Ok groomer

  • @alredir
    @alredir Před 3 lety +2953

    "This ain't Louisiana man, I ain't buyin' it."
    Hah, Jefferson did the Louisiana Purchase.

    • @anywaythewindblows8912
      @anywaythewindblows8912 Před 3 lety +4

      Right lol

    • @jaxmatthews2748
      @jaxmatthews2748 Před 3 lety +26

      OMG I NEVER REALIZED THAT

    • @MrJoeylj
      @MrJoeylj Před 3 lety +3

      Hidden fact

    • @maxfieldjoyner5244
      @maxfieldjoyner5244 Před 3 lety +12

      I realized that after like 30 watches of this rap. That is embarrassing.

    • @lokitmg4123
      @lokitmg4123 Před 3 lety +9

      I just now realized this. At first I didn't get the reference but now that we're learning about this in history I actually understand.

  • @thedonutqueen6454
    @thedonutqueen6454 Před 7 lety +5386

    "So down with revolution, I invented the swivel chair,"
    I love that line.

    • @bobateacafe5792
      @bobateacafe5792 Před 6 lety +119

      The DonutQueen “this ain’t Louisiana I aint buying it” I LAUGHED SO HARD IN HISTORY

    • @gumunduringigumundsson9344
      @gumunduringigumundsson9344 Před 6 lety +1

      The DonutQueen it is sweet 🍀🌏💜

    • @MarleyMan850
      @MarleyMan850 Před 6 lety +1

      Fredrick Went IceCube

    • @ashlynnnfairchild3355
      @ashlynnnfairchild3355 Před 6 lety

      I thought that was Ben Franklin

    • @AJSLV2002
      @AJSLV2002 Před 6 lety +2

      Yh well it didn't mention Alexander Hamilton who was actually one of the main people in the American revolution doo...

  • @thatjeff7550
    @thatjeff7550 Před 2 měsíci +22

    "You finished? Okay..."
    And that's when Jefferson knew he was fighting waaaay out of his league... LOL

  • @NorthernSea121
    @NorthernSea121 Před 2 měsíci +11

    "they need to put an asterisk next to your name" was probably the best delivery of a line i've ever heard

  • @noahkelly3627
    @noahkelly3627 Před 4 lety +4822

    The line “not to mention third president” line is so subtle but very clever. Jefferson didn’t consider being president a real big accomplishment in his life. On his tombstone, it mentions other accomplishments (writing the Declaration of Independence, writing the Statute of Virginia for Religious Freedom, and founding the University of Virginia) but does not mention him being president at all because he didn’t really see it as that important

    • @jeremytewari3346
      @jeremytewari3346 Před 4 lety +279

      That whole concluding verse of his accomplishments followed by “the fuck’d you do?” is so powerful

    • @andyknightwarden9746
      @andyknightwarden9746 Před 4 lety +12

      @@caden7745 Agreed.

    • @IsaTehGothicMando
      @IsaTehGothicMando Před 3 lety +182

      @@caden7745 Its a battle, Jefferson's remarks amounted to "Im gonna brag about everything I've done" and "You look silly" ,and then apologizing his entire second verse, you're crazy to think he took this. Douglas threw everything he said back in his face, called him not only a racist, but a gigantic hypocrite whose greatest accomplishments ring hollow because he didnt back it up with his actions,

    • @justahyundai
      @justahyundai Před 3 lety +54

      @@caden7745 Douglass second verse completely and utterly destroyed Jefferson no doubt

    • @MonsterIcee
      @MonsterIcee Před 3 lety +27

      IsaTehGothicMando yeah but I think Noah is appreciating what the creators gave Jefferson. Given his insults must have been limited, similar to hulk vs jenner

  • @ra_mry3062
    @ra_mry3062 Před 4 lety +4487

    Okay but no one is talking about “founding absentee father”

    • @ItRemindMeOfHome
      @ItRemindMeOfHome Před 4 lety +163

      Because his family to this day refuses to talk about it

    • @jazzyprince3335
      @jazzyprince3335 Před 4 lety +46

      THERE'S TOO MUCH WORDPLAY!!!!!!!!!!

    • @imanuelgonzalez2853
      @imanuelgonzalez2853 Před 4 lety +20

      Because he said it to fast and it didn't really connect or rhyme with the previous sentence.

    • @elaovi
      @elaovi Před 4 lety +73

      Because he raped and impregnated a slave woman

    • @jesseberg3271
      @jesseberg3271 Před 4 lety +96

      @@elaovi in some ways, he and Hemmings lived like a married couple, and when she was given her freedom by the French (before they had had children) she chose to go back to Virginia with him, which meant going back into slavery.
      This is NOT a defense of Jefferson. The fact that he could still participate in the institution of slavery while in that kind of relationship with a black woman makes him (in a way) more monstrous than someone who saw slaves as little different from livestock. He knew these were people, no different than him, and he did what he did anyway.

  • @bungybooce4205
    @bungybooce4205 Před 11 měsíci +55

    “I’m so down with revolutions I invented the Swivel Chair” is my favorite ERB line of all time😂

  • @MarshmallowEclipse
    @MarshmallowEclipse Před rokem +92

    I love how when Jefferson says "Set up a little place called the United States, sound familiar?" in the background are a bunch of American people previously portrayed on ERB, Marilyn Monroe, Elvis Presley, babe Ruth, Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Edison, Clint Eastwood, Barack Obama, Hulk Hogan.

  • @John_Smith76
    @John_Smith76 Před 3 lety +5226

    I love that they are still kinda polite to eachother.

    • @Askorti
      @Askorti Před 3 lety +311

      "I'll never work for your ass, but I'll kick it for free". Dunno if that's very polite to be honest. :P

    • @TheMemeSchemer
      @TheMemeSchemer Před 3 lety +149

      "A brainy mofo hear to diss you" I dunno about polite

    • @cavksoewa1796
      @cavksoewa1796 Před 3 lety +36

      Jefferson was best and Nic est tho

    • @cavksoewa1796
      @cavksoewa1796 Před 3 lety +4

      Although

    • @cavksoewa1796
      @cavksoewa1796 Před 3 lety +9

      Jef wasn't nicest on first

  • @ShmeengusDingus
    @ShmeengusDingus Před 2 lety +3072

    Frederick’s Last Verse: “I’m not mad, I’m just horribly disappointed in you.”

    • @function0077
      @function0077 Před 2 lety +125

      This is the parental dagger to the heart line.

    • @kumba713
      @kumba713 Před 2 lety +28

      @@function0077 true

  • @veccyboo7694
    @veccyboo7694 Před rokem +58

    I love the N.W.A reference in Douglas’ first line “Straight outta Bondage” referring to the song and straight out of Compton, which was one of the most political hip hop albums ever that tackled racism and discrimination, so much thought goes into these battles no wonder they take so long to release.

  • @WashingMachine.
    @WashingMachine. Před rokem +72

    Honestly the amount of work ERB puts into these rap battles is INSANE, first they have to come up with the raps, then they also make it historically accurate, and even manage to put puns in it? That's something i never expected to be done, all while still having fun on the sets. Seriously deserves all the attention these rap battles get

  • @bestnumber_7225
    @bestnumber_7225 Před 5 lety +5308

    Just noticed Jefferson say “I’ve never heard a verse I dug less”
    Douglass

    • @saltyonions9268
      @saltyonions9268 Před 5 lety +124

      I would have never caught that

    • @oliverholland1205
      @oliverholland1205 Před 5 lety +61

      How did it take you this long 😂😂

    • @verZatile_bmotp
      @verZatile_bmotp Před 5 lety +50

      "Aw Frederick , I've never heard a verse I dug less" (Douglas)
      Word play on 100!

    • @k4nj1kun83
      @k4nj1kun83 Před 5 lety +40

      Also “This ain’t Louisiana man, I ain’t buying it.” I think we all know what purchases Jefferson made

    • @samwalker3165
      @samwalker3165 Před 5 lety +12

      Oh. Mah. Gawd.
      I have watched this several times and never realised 😀

  • @sine-spike
    @sine-spike Před 3 lety +5074

    Ok but can we talk about how hilarious Jefferson’s facial expressions are throughout both of Frederick’s verses. He’s just like “Yikes, he’s right”

    • @TheWarriorofHonor
      @TheWarriorofHonor Před 2 lety +212

      more like "damn how do i get out of this??" XD

    • @MattBnl2ih
      @MattBnl2ih Před 2 lety +162

      Oppenheimer had the same exact expressions yet he still managed to say “fuck this guilt trip, this is a god damn rap battle”

    • @AtomBacon
      @AtomBacon Před 2 lety +8

      Had to re watch and focus on them but yeah they were great lmao.

    • @NavyGunnersMateMan
      @NavyGunnersMateMan Před 2 lety +8

      Not about every thing. He was kinda wrong on some so

    • @thetruth-hl7ct
      @thetruth-hl7ct Před 2 lety +3

      I think it was more like "Is that even English?"

  • @mishtaromaniello8295
    @mishtaromaniello8295 Před 2 měsíci +9

    One of those times ERB was not only entertaining but thought-provoking. One of your very best battles.

  • @lulolie
    @lulolie Před rokem +210

    I love how they gave Jefferson bars because he was genuinely a great writer but still had Frederick beat him the whole way through based on Jefferson's hypocrisy to his own words and expressed values

    • @CourtlandLess
      @CourtlandLess Před 11 měsíci +6

      He would’ve won if Fred didn’t make it about race. All Jefferson did was defend himself

    • @Ravenholm337
      @Ravenholm337 Před 11 měsíci +33

      @@CourtlandLess Freddy D didn't make it about race, he just pointed out Jefferson's actions or lack thereof.

    • @StrangeworldEU
      @StrangeworldEU Před 10 měsíci +22

      you're surprised the frederick douglass, someone who is best known for being a former slave and abolitionist, who was *a slave in jefferson's lifetime*, would comment about slavery? To thomas jefferson? 'make it about race' my ass lol. this couldn't be about anything else.@@CourtlandLess

    • @ImVeryOriginal
      @ImVeryOriginal Před 9 měsíci +11

      @@StrangeworldEUYeah white racists really don't want to think about their racism so whenever the topic is brought up in any context it's "inserting race into it" lol

    • @angelperalessalaices8696
      @angelperalessalaices8696 Před 8 měsíci +2

      tell us that you're a racist without telling us you are racist@@CourtlandLess

  • @8h723
    @8h723 Před 3 lety +2632

    “1st Secretary of State, VP number 2, not to mention 3rd President.” I like how that is in Numerical Order

    • @Clangdon0148
      @Clangdon0148 Před 3 lety +49

      1, 2, 3, that seems right

    • @user-lz2rr8ir1y
      @user-lz2rr8ir1y Před 3 lety +5

      @@Clangdon0148 that’s not a question

    • @ivanthehunter3530
      @ivanthehunter3530 Před 3 lety +12

      Ocd has been satisfied*
      ......
      For now*

    • @masonwoods319
      @masonwoods319 Před 3 lety +42

      Another fun little fact, the “not to mention” pet is because it isn’t listed on his tombstone that he was president of the United States. Wack.

    • @baseballguy0125
      @baseballguy0125 Před 2 lety +2

      And chronological

  • @reefb6292
    @reefb6292 Před 3 lety +2498

    "no compromise, you couldn't whip a fifth of me man". holyyy shit the three fifths compromise

    • @lokitmg4123
      @lokitmg4123 Před 3 lety +18

      Oooooh yeah!

    • @loqutor
      @loqutor Před 2 lety +10

      Except that's not at all what the three-fifths compromise meant. The real Frederick Douglass would have known that.

    • @lachlanwashere1279
      @lachlanwashere1279 Před 2 lety +77

      @@loqutor I mean, the ⅗ compromise did have to do with a slave's value, and I think they were trying to reference it's existence, not define it.

    • @samsondog2182
      @samsondog2182 Před 2 lety +8

      @@lachlanwashere1279 The slave owners wanted their slaves to count as one person for voting rights and for more power. The compromise was to keep the slave owning democrat from gaining more voting power.

    • @Bribridude130
      @Bribridude130 Před 2 lety +9

      It should have been “no compromise, you couldn’t whip three-fifths of me man”

  • @dragonlord588
    @dragonlord588 Před 2 lety +66

    "You let freedom ring but never picked up the phone" always gives me goosebumps

    • @Listening_Books12345
      @Listening_Books12345 Před 6 měsíci +1

      For me it's always the run up and finale of the line "you couldn't whip a fifth of me, man!"

  • @dtniland
    @dtniland Před rokem +19

    "you a soft white Monticello marshmallow" is one of my favorite lines because it has great flow, rhyme, and also is a good diss

  • @christopherjustice6411
    @christopherjustice6411 Před 3 lety +6537

    If they had put Jefferson up against literally anybody else he would've kicked ass. This matchup is perfection.

  • @paulpardee
    @paulpardee Před 5 lety +2471

    "when I stopped being an alien to your inalienable rights"
    Jesus Christ that hit hard!

    • @carlitojaunito2269
      @carlitojaunito2269 Před 4 lety +5

      Paul Pardee suffer I made it uneven

    • @trappout3104
      @trappout3104 Před 4 lety +3

      900th like

    • @AacaL05
      @AacaL05 Před 4 lety +2

      Paul Pardee I really liked that line

    • @JoeJohnson-fc5wr
      @JoeJohnson-fc5wr Před 4 lety +28

      I liked the other one. "When we the people stopped meaning we the people who are white." That one really struck me.

    • @klaud7311
      @klaud7311 Před 4 lety

      *unalienable

  • @tableswithoutchairs1168
    @tableswithoutchairs1168 Před rokem +35

    “I’ll never work for your ass but I’ll kick it, for free”
    And that automatically made FD win imo

  • @LGKToons
    @LGKToons Před 2 lety +85

    This is one of my favorite ERB's of all time! I wish it was more praised!

  • @demnbrown
    @demnbrown Před 4 lety +1502

    The "face of a free man taught himself to read men no-compromise couldn't whip a fifth of me man" won the battle.

    • @laurah12
      @laurah12 Před 3 lety +15

      took way too long for me to find this comment

    • @TheBeastBandit
      @TheBeastBandit Před 3 lety +43

      One of the hardest lines that gets so little attention. It was so fucking good

    • @cyrusmuller6502
      @cyrusmuller6502 Před 3 lety +3

      Tbh after rewatching this it feels one sided like with the hulk

    • @ShrodingersCatgirl
      @ShrodingersCatgirl Před 3 lety +19

      "you let freedom ring but never picked up the phone" boy he DEAD dead

    • @olivergates5843
      @olivergates5843 Před 3 lety +1

      @@ShrodingersCatgirl What does this line mean

  • @ChairmanLor
    @ChairmanLor Před 2 lety +4978

    Fun Fact: The dude who plays Douglas in this battle is J.B. Smoove, who also plays one of Peter Parker's teachers in the new Spiderman movies.

    • @Rygoat
      @Rygoat Před 2 lety +150

      and "Leon Black" from Curb Your Enthusiasm

    • @SkiggsMoDiggs
      @SkiggsMoDiggs Před 2 lety +56

      I thought he looked familiar

    • @weirdcarpetthing97
      @weirdcarpetthing97 Před 2 lety +38

      Oh yeah he’s that witches guy

    • @jons_7402
      @jons_7402 Před 2 lety +46

      He's also the barber in Everybody Hates Chris.

    • @chattaboxxx2332
      @chattaboxxx2332 Před 2 lety +31

      This. This right fucking here. This made my week.

  • @ericperez9310
    @ericperez9310 Před rokem +12

    “Let me run down my resume will ya.
    Set up a little place called the United States. Sound familiar?” 🔥🔥

  • @GotEmAll1337
    @GotEmAll1337 Před 2 lety +28

    Y'all are seriously so damn talented. This kind of content is what CZcams was made for.

  • @andrewpeters6207
    @andrewpeters6207 Před 3 lety +9969

    It's crazy how you guys balanced being respectful and redeeming Jefferson's character; while also shredding him to pieces. This is one of your finest videos.

    • @menthols4625
      @menthols4625 Před 3 lety +625

      The only character in ERB to ever have to apologize to his opponent in the middle of a rap battle, only to have that apology denied and be told to fuck off. /// Respect
      Pick one, it can't be both.

    • @andrewpeters6207
      @andrewpeters6207 Před 3 lety +330

      @@menthols4625 I am speaking to the fact that most writers of something like this today have ran to ignoring any of the good Jefferson did; and only see racist. Just read the comments, you will see consensus is that the stamp of racist is so big nothing else matters. Here Jefferson actually managed to dig himself out of that most dangerous brand. Douglass's retort was fair, it is the only truly fair criticism of Jefferson, that if he genuinely loved the slave girl who he was in a relationship with, why not take any steps to free her or move her to freedom? I will give you that his second verse had no attacks back, only a masterful knock down of the racist brand, is the one big negative of this video. Being branded racist is a death blow in today's political climate, so that they managed to have Jefferson brush that off and still walking away looking great, is respect for the man.

    • @trinwheeler4639
      @trinwheeler4639 Před 2 lety +184

      Why shouldn't being a racist be a death brand? You can hate someone while still appreciating their work and efforts. Should a serial killer get a lighter sentence just because they made a nice painting or invented something? The answer is no.

    • @thehaloscrolls391
      @thehaloscrolls391 Před 2 lety +97

      @@trinwheeler4639 your comparing hating a race to literally murdering several people brutally, both are bad, sure, but just being racist pales in comparison to the shit serial killers do

    • @trinwheeler4639
      @trinwheeler4639 Před 2 lety +70

      @@thehaloscrolls391 Social death brand, dumb ass. You know, strip racists of their achievements and prestige just like they've done to people of color for millenia.

  • @PaperbackWizard
    @PaperbackWizard Před 4 lety +4656

    Not gonna lie, Douglass could have talked a little more about himself. He did more than just get his picture taken.

    • @kmjkmjkmj
      @kmjkmjkmj Před 4 lety +207

      You mean tell us he taught himself to read? He covered that.

    • @kikiretzorg1467
      @kikiretzorg1467 Před 4 lety +428

      He didn't need to talk about himself to complete dismantle Jefferson by targeting his cognitive dissonance.

    • @kanoy7817
      @kanoy7817 Před 4 lety +149

      That was the weakest line tbh, "oh you got your fucking face on a mountain, but I got the cool photos"

    • @kanoy7817
      @kanoy7817 Před 4 lety +101

      @@loveleonk No, no I don't think they will.
      Unless the regressive left keeps pushing identity politics.

    • @majeedmamah7457
      @majeedmamah7457 Před 4 lety +295

      @@kanoy7817 if identity politics turns you into a racist, you were already a racist.

  • @seniorbob505
    @seniorbob505 Před 2 lety +5

    I'd like to state that iv'e spent literally 2 and a half hours watching majority of season 1 thru 5 in my room singing and reenacting. Ive watched you guys since I was in middle school and now im 20 about to turn 21. ERB and the crew is literally the happiest place to visit especially when life is down. GO ERB!

  • @amyschildgamerlive4519
    @amyschildgamerlive4519 Před rokem +14

    This is my fav erb video. The beats. The lines. The delivery... it's a masterpiece!

  • @mariaesthervillanueva729
    @mariaesthervillanueva729 Před 4 lety +4831

    "You let freedom ring but never pick up the phone"
    Why aren't we talking about this line? Like, he kill him.

    • @ditw_music
      @ditw_music Před 4 lety +41

      Nah, wasn't that great. Jefferson's first verse was fire

    • @MohamedAli-nf1rp
      @MohamedAli-nf1rp Před 4 lety +135

      @@ditw_music you would be a dummy if you think jefferson won

    • @mariaesthervillanueva729
      @mariaesthervillanueva729 Před 4 lety +77

      @@MohamedAli-nf1rp Douglass won is so obvious 👏👏

    • @MohamedAli-nf1rp
      @MohamedAli-nf1rp Před 4 lety +10

      @@mariaesthervillanueva729 ik

    • @Nesendrea
      @Nesendrea Před 4 lety +74

      To be honest, Douglass was spitting so much fire that by the end of the battle, Jefferson should have been sweating worse than Douglas’ people, cello or no.

  • @jbfn14
    @jbfn14 Před 3 lety +4998

    "The day the 13th damn ammendment was ratified
    and I ceased to be an alien to your inalienable rights"
    One of the most powerful lines in all of ERB.

    • @ssj2camaro21
      @ssj2camaro21 Před 2 lety +7

      Property doesn't have rights.

    • @sayaksen7545
      @sayaksen7545 Před 2 lety +165

      @Kacper he's a salty confederate I assume

    • @TheWarriorofHonor
      @TheWarriorofHonor Před 2 lety +15

      @@sayaksen7545 possible so, but he had a bit of a point, befire 1865, slaves were considered property (by some) and it is correct to say that property doesn't have right. technically it is correct, even if treating people as property is anything but correct

    • @passiveswan
      @passiveswan Před 2 lety +25

      @@ssj2camaro21 kay why ess

    • @UKMonkey
      @UKMonkey Před 2 lety +16

      Apart from the 13th just means that in order to have slaves, they need to be arrested first. Why do you think arrest rates are so high in America, especially of the black folks; or why America has one of the highest % of incarcerated people in the world?
      the 13th protects slavery - just in a hidden way.

  • @empratt5800
    @empratt5800 Před rokem +35

    Wow. I am so impressed by all the fantastic references packed into this rap battle, that I feel compelled to spell them out. Here’s what I think is not totally self-evident (heh) from the lyrics:
    0:11 The Declaration of Independence (Jefferson)
    0:19 The Declaration of Independence (Jefferson)
    0:27 The Declaration of Independence (Jefferson) - listed ways King George III was a tyrant
    0:40 Douglass’s 3 autobiographies: Narrative of the Life of Frederick Douglass, An American Slave; My Bondage and My Freedom; and The Life and Times of Frederick Douglass
    0:45 Jefferson served as ambassador to France and spent time in Paris
    0:58 Straight Outta Compton (film) / Douglass’s escape from slavery
    1:04 U.S. nickel has Jefferson’s portrait on the heads side, his estate Monticello (where his many slaves lived/worked) on the tails side
    1:12 Jefferson played the violin and sometimes the cello
    1:23 Douglass’s many, many portraits - Douglass recognized the power of the fairly new medium of photography and posed for every portrait he could, always with a serious face, to counteract the racist minstrel stereotype of the “happy slave”
    1:28 The Three-fifths Compromise (Jefferson was not a part of making this, but he did benefit from it when it gave him just enough electoral college votes to win the 1800 presidential election against John Adams)
    1:31 The Declaration of Independence (Jefferson)
    2:03 The Louisiana Purchase (Jefferson)
    2:09 Jefferson had 6 children with his slave Sally Hemings, who was very probably the half-sister of Jefferson’s wife Martha and may have born a resemblance to her. It is believed Jefferson started having sex with Hemings a couple years after his wife’s death, when he was 44 and Hemings was 14. While he did eventually free all of the children he had with Hemings, he did not free Hemings herself, not even in his will.
    2:14 Jefferson died on the 4th of July, 1826 (and weirdly so did John Adams)
    2:17 What, to the Slave, Is the Fourth of July? (Douglass)
    2:24 While the Emancipation Proclamation was a limited wartime measure, the Thirteenth Amendment abolished slavery permanently.
    2:28 The Declaration of Independence (Jefferson)
    2:29 The U.S. Constitution starts “We the people”
    Anything important I missed? Do comment if so!

    • @notcleetus5561
      @notcleetus5561 Před rokem +2

      the straight outta compton reference is from the music video for the song not the movie, everything else is great tho

  • @rudysu3908
    @rudysu3908 Před rokem +2

    This is probably the deepest ERB, I love it when they are deep like this! It sends chills down my spin.

  • @Jasonsousvide
    @Jasonsousvide Před 3 lety +6009

    “Aw *Fredrick*, I never heard a verse I *dug less*.” That was seriously genius, I can’t believe no one’s pointing that out.

    • @jeronimo196
      @jeronimo196 Před 3 lety +171

      Thank you for pointing that out, I didn't see it earlier.

    • @Jashin00
      @Jashin00 Před 3 lety +101

      It's been pointed out many times. It's buried with the old comments

    • @bungiesblueflames
      @bungiesblueflames Před 3 lety +130

      Because most people are sucking off Frederick Douglass’ verses. I actually think this battle was a tie, but it seems like I’m in the minority.

    • @penguino2409
      @penguino2409 Před 3 lety +197

      @@bungiesblueflames in my opinion both of their rhymes were good but Thomas didn't diss Fredrick enough when Fredrick was dissing him. Thomas spent his whole second round explaining.

    • @bungiesblueflames
      @bungiesblueflames Před 3 lety +72

      @@penguino2409 sure Jefferson was explaining, but his explanation was pretty much invalidating Douglas’ first verse, so I liked it.

  • @mikau2123
    @mikau2123 Před 4 lety +1784

    "You finished?"
    That's code for "I'm about to destroy you"

  • @foggydogy5796
    @foggydogy5796 Před 7 měsíci +40

    Man, I love this battle! The fact that Jefferson spent his second verse apologizing for slavery is definitely in character with him. In the history books I've read most historians claim that Jefferson and other Virginia politicians spent a lot of time talking about how evil slavery was but didn't take any personal or political steps to stop it.

    • @CultureCrossed64
      @CultureCrossed64 Před 6 měsíci +4

      Jefferson fought to end the slave trade both in Virginia and nationally. So that's false from the jump- but he also put into the Declaration of independence that slavery was evil and was forced to take it out.

    • @mnm1273
      @mnm1273 Před 3 měsíci

      @@CultureCrossed64 He owned hundreds of slaves personally and politically his actions limited the trade but not the owning of slaves.

    • @spoopy9689
      @spoopy9689 Před 2 měsíci

      ​@@mnm1273and do you think he still would've been president if he freed them? The entire South was running and profiting off of slavery, Thomas Jefferson, if he freed his slaves, he would've probably been impeached, if he freed all the slaves, there might be an early Civil War that tears the country apart before it really became a country.

  • @marysmith7765
    @marysmith7765 Před 2 lety

    I just found this channel yesterday and I’ve been gleefully binging. I could have spent so much productive quarantine time memorizing these rhymes.

  • @i.j.dragonfly3123
    @i.j.dragonfly3123 Před 4 lety +556

    "No compromise, you couldn't whip a 5th of me man!"
    That line was fire.

    • @xavierstanton8146
      @xavierstanton8146 Před 4 lety +13

      It is referencing the Three Fifths Compromise?

    • @rexduodecim3528
      @rexduodecim3528 Před 4 lety +6

      @@xavierstanton8146 Yes it is

    • @loqutor
      @loqutor Před 3 lety +1

      Except that's not how the three-fifths compromise worked.

  • @greasyclown
    @greasyclown Před 4 lety +6141

    Douglass dissed Jefferson so much, Thomas apologized in next verse...

    • @thethird1967
      @thethird1967 Před 4 lety +26

      Lol

    • @segmentre1352
      @segmentre1352 Před 4 lety +10

      Ice-cave goblin no

    • @tammygreen8962
      @tammygreen8962 Před 4 lety +51

      @@segmentre1352 .. MMmmm..YES HE DID.. DON'T HATE.. STRAIGHT OUT OF BONDAGE 🤣😂😅💃💯

    • @matthewprue1010
      @matthewprue1010 Před 4 lety +76

      I kinda looked at it like, “hey I did these other things and you kinda misrepresented me.” But he did also apologize which was kinda lame. At least he apologized in a great way.

    • @ethpling165
      @ethpling165 Před 4 lety +11

      Inquisitor goblin hmm I wonder if there was a narrative behind that??

  • @kurtcanas9122
    @kurtcanas9122 Před 2 lety +3

    This one I can listen to for hours. SO GOOD!!!

  • @chancellorpalpatine3781
    @chancellorpalpatine3781 Před 5 lety +2472

    “No compromise you couldn’t whoop a fifth of me man”
    This line is very underrated as well as this whole rap battle. So many historical references.

    • @Sara-xr9ph
      @Sara-xr9ph Před 5 lety +3

      Chancellor Palpatine atlanta compromise? what does the other part mean 😬

    • @typus6471
      @typus6471 Před 5 lety +53

      @@Sara-xr9ph nigga when he said whip a fith of me man, he meant the three fith compromise dawg

    • @Yirialo
      @Yirialo Před 5 lety +61

      @@Sara-xr9ph it's based off of the 3/5 compromise. It was a compromise in the Constitutional convention. It was were southerners wanted slaves to count as "people" in their population so they can evenly proportion out Representatives, elector votes, etc. If that makes any sense.

    • @bimifoluwaomopariola8202
      @bimifoluwaomopariola8202 Před 5 lety +14

      And you can interpret it as "whooping" as in slave beating

    • @timschroyer1257
      @timschroyer1257 Před 5 lety +6

      Are we still using that 3/5ths lie? No where does it single out blacks or any other peoples group. It states those not freemen. That would include the irish indentured servants. And if a black man was free in the north he would be counted as a full person. The intent was to reduce the political power of the slave states so we could end slavery by passing a law instead of a war. The counting as 3/5 a man was not for their vote but as count for population for how many repesentitives a state got to send to congress. So if you wanted to end slavery you wanted the cslaves to not count at all! If you are a slave owner you wanted the slaves to count as a full person. Read the actual amendment and think. Don't just repeat your ignorant racial studies prof.

  • @theblkbird5672
    @theblkbird5672 Před 8 lety +5012

    Who else thinks the beat in this is on point?

  • @no_Monday420
    @no_Monday420 Před rokem +1

    this is one of my favourite ERB's. I am learning things without realising. Keep up the great work!!!

  • @ryadachaibou8098
    @ryadachaibou8098 Před rokem +10

    the organ and lapsteel guitar when Douglas's verse starts are so sick

  • @MattBnl2ih
    @MattBnl2ih Před 3 lety +6009

    Thomas was on his ass until he decided to spend an entire verse trying say “I’m not racist, my sisters boyfriends black”

    • @EriniusT
      @EriniusT Před 3 lety +1001

      "I'm not racist my slave girlfriend is black"

    • @lukepearson4611
      @lukepearson4611 Před 3 lety +836

      I’m not racist I love black people I think everyone should own one

    • @lifesuckstbh
      @lifesuckstbh Před 3 lety +86

      @@EriniusT stahhhhp 😭😭😂😂😂

    • @Mo_Real_Official
      @Mo_Real_Official Před 3 lety +8

      lmao

    • @AvoirJoseph
      @AvoirJoseph Před 3 lety +181

      I'm not racist, my sister-in-law's baby cousin Tracy got a brother and his girlfriend's black

  • @self-proclaimedcomedian1037
    @self-proclaimedcomedian1037 Před 3 lety +4915

    Jefferson spending his full second verse explaining himself is so beautifully realistic. It's exactly what most politicians would do. It's genius, really

    • @Jonathan-oy8cl
      @Jonathan-oy8cl Před 2 lety +160

      I mean, he makes a better argument than most

    • @monke980
      @monke980 Před 2 lety +220

      i mean but he was being legit, he was actually explaining shit, he wasn't just deflecting with vague ideas. it's really not that genius.

    • @bijuutamer729
      @bijuutamer729 Před 2 lety +167

      It makes Jefferson look better because pretty much any president before Abe would have just been like, “lol don’t care you’re black”

    • @juanquixote4186
      @juanquixote4186 Před 2 lety +38

      Certainly what the real Jefferson would have tried to do

    • @Adalon-
      @Adalon- Před 2 lety +28

      @@bijuutamer729 abe was basically the same way. All the freed slaves would have been forcibly repatriated if he hadn't been killed.
      Abe dislikes slavery, but people forget that is not what the war was about. Abe made it about that, after the fact and at a point the north was in trouble, to Garner support, rally people and to further demonize an enemy.
      They were just tools, as always in history.

  • @Renegade_Melungeon
    @Renegade_Melungeon Před rokem

    Just going through these again, after a few years... This one is solid gold!!!

  • @ethancaldwell2422
    @ethancaldwell2422 Před 7 měsíci +46

    The line "I ceased to be an alien to your unalienable rights." is so underrated. This ERB might possibly be the most one-sided victory in ERB history.

  • @tiny99990
    @tiny99990 Před 3 lety +7240

    I felt that Thomas Jefferson flowed better... but Frederick was spitting truth with passion so I gotta give it to him.

    • @nimvvv8467
      @nimvvv8467 Před 3 lety +25

      True

    • @PsychCaptain
      @PsychCaptain Před 3 lety +12

      Well said.

    • @angelfloress5063
      @angelfloress5063 Před 3 lety +80

      @@PsychCaptain Naw douglass was being a bit too cocky and using his race to his advantage. If this wasn’t on youtube, a leftist organization, Jefferson would’ve won.

    • @michaelmooney1914
      @michaelmooney1914 Před 3 lety +486

      @@angelfloress5063 CZcams isn't an organization, it's a public forum.

    • @angelfloress5063
      @angelfloress5063 Před 3 lety +18

      @@michaelmooney1914 Yes it is.

  • @philliptivis3082
    @philliptivis3082 Před 2 lety +5159

    Jefferson has an amazing first verse. The flow, the disses...it's quite a strong start...and then Douglas shuts it down with 3 words: "You finished? Okay..."

    • @Salsuero
      @Salsuero Před 2 lety +205

      Yeah. Very much an underrated opening in context by Douglas.

    • @MintyCoffee
      @MintyCoffee Před 2 lety +68

      Jefferson doesn’t have any disses in most of his first verse and none in his second xd

    • @MonsieurDijon
      @MonsieurDijon Před rokem +9

      not really no, but ok

    • @xanderzelef9757
      @xanderzelef9757 Před rokem +1

      @@MintyCoffee he kinda does

    • @justanotheranimeprofilepic
      @justanotheranimeprofilepic Před rokem +25

      He had the balls to stop Jeffersons flow instead of just turning it around

  • @philipkelly7369
    @philipkelly7369 Před 4 měsíci +4

    There is a lot of competition but after all these years this is the best ERB, I think. It is packed with history and every line is damn near perfect. I keep coming back to it, so much so that I've almost got it memorized front to back.

  • @Vorshiva
    @Vorshiva Před rokem +1

    Damnnnn! The beat alone to this is amazing haha I was jamming so hard great work!

  • @ThatCyndi
    @ThatCyndi Před 4 lety +4845

    Frederick Douglass was also a huge advocate for women’s rights, so he could tell Jefferson that he...
    Fought to include women in the sequel.

  • @JacobRy
    @JacobRy Před 4 lety +2770

    best flow: Jefferson
    best disses: Douglass
    overall winner: swivel chair

  • @paolaviolet7
    @paolaviolet7 Před rokem +2

    Legendary !! Love this erb

  • @ScarcelyLucky
    @ScarcelyLucky Před měsícem +2

    Dude, I've listened to this probably nearly 100 times, starting on the day it came out. I JUST got "Ah Fredrick I've never heard a verse I dug less."

  • @crashbandicoot5636
    @crashbandicoot5636 Před 5 lety +2369

    "Man, you did some good things I ain't denying your fame; Just sayin' they need to put an asterisk... Next to your name."
    F.D. killed it with the last verse.

    • @illiteratekiwi6536
      @illiteratekiwi6536 Před 5 lety +46

      F. D. Killed with the whole song

    • @tristanhoward4808
      @tristanhoward4808 Před 5 lety +5

      What does it mean???

    • @multiplayerrkmedia1764
      @multiplayerrkmedia1764 Před 5 lety +107

      tristan howard Asterisks mean that there’s more information than provided on the topic it’s next to. F.D’s saying Thomas shouldn’t just be known for his positive actions but also his negatives

    • @tristanhoward4808
      @tristanhoward4808 Před 5 lety +2

      MULTIplayerRK Media ohh I figured as much

    • @tristanhoward4808
      @tristanhoward4808 Před 5 lety +2

      MULTIplayerRK Media thanks bri

  • @SharkByteOfficial
    @SharkByteOfficial Před 8 lety +2990

    "Ahh Frederick, I've never heard a verse I *dug less*" How the shet did I just notice this lol

    • @cuttle9901
      @cuttle9901 Před 8 lety +3

      What

    • @LithKast
      @LithKast Před 8 lety +274

      Verse I Dug less. Meaning he didn't like the verse.
      Dug less or Douglass. sound the same.

    • @natgeowildbackup
      @natgeowildbackup Před 7 lety +27

      Dude, I literally commented the same thing 3 weeks ago lol. We both think alike.

    • @SharkByteOfficial
      @SharkByteOfficial Před 7 lety +3

      ***** lol

    • @Dragons4Dummies
      @Dragons4Dummies Před 7 lety +4

      You just pointed out a whole extra curve ball to this epic edition XD

  • @blackulaphoto709
    @blackulaphoto709 Před 2 lety +3

    Dear God I love that you are getting it in ways I never could , erb is doing more for true history than any school ever could and it brings a tear to my eye seeing people truly understand what actually happened . Not just here but all the videos it's amazing . Go forth and tell true history my loves the world needs to know

  • @MrMarcelo252
    @MrMarcelo252 Před rokem +1

    This is the best ERB so far

  • @potato-vm9ys
    @potato-vm9ys Před 4 lety +2355

    Me at 3 AM: Ok brain, I want to sleep...
    Brain: STRAIGHT OUTTA BONDAGE
    Edit: I come back to this comment in quarantine and HOLY MOLEY 2.3k likes AND an internet chorus performance? I am proud of you all fellow humans

    • @1ring182
      @1ring182 Před 4 lety +16

      this mw right now

    • @LeeBreezy
      @LeeBreezy Před 4 lety +53

      BIG HAIR BIG NUTS BIG ISSUES

    • @ziadjouini1671
      @ziadjouini1671 Před 4 lety +19

      THERE'S A REAL DECLARATION HEADS FOR RASIST TAILS FOR A SLAVE PLANTATION

    • @janus_1986
      @janus_1986 Před 4 lety +17

      YOU'RE A SOFT, WHITE MONTICELLO MARSHMALLOW

    • @neinno8172
      @neinno8172 Před 4 lety +18

      WATCHING MY PEOPLE SWEAT WHILE YOU SAT PLAYING CELLO- HELLO

  • @seanbourdier8756
    @seanbourdier8756 Před 2 lety +3119

    My favorite thing about this battle is how Jefferson showed up for a regular battle, and Douglass was clearly here with a mission, addressing slavery. Going up against a founding father, he knew what he was doing and then Jefferson has to like back pedal because the whole battle has changed now so he has to cover his ass about it.

    • @SkiggsMoDiggs
      @SkiggsMoDiggs Před 2 lety +137

      Yeah, although Thomas could've just not acknowledged it and continued like most tend to do when their opponent brings up a mistake they can't deny, Thomas wanted to address his accusations. I think that says a bit about him as well, but then again, so does his actions

    • @JB-gw7xf
      @JB-gw7xf Před 2 lety +174

      @@SkiggsMoDiggs Jefferson was well aware of his own hypocrisy on slavery. In "Notes on the State of Virginia" he said
      "Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just: that his justice cannot sleep forever: that considering numbers, nature and natural means only, a revolution of the wheel of fortune, an exchange of situation, is among possible events: that it may become probable by supernatural interference! The Almighty has no attribute which can take side with us in such a contest."

    • @danielkokal8819
      @danielkokal8819 Před rokem +61

      @@JB-gw7xf Damn that boy could write.

    • @DCPTF2
      @DCPTF2 Před rokem

      yep nothing like shoving white guilt down the viewer throat

    • @jaqua7732
      @jaqua7732 Před rokem +8

      Yes that was very well played, but all of these epicrapbattles usually are

  • @FlamingoRadio_
    @FlamingoRadio_ Před rokem +4

    I find myself coming back to this battle so much over the years. I find myself effortlessly reciting the entire video second by second alongside the rest of ERB’s vast library. I find myself wondering how my brain has engraved ERB’s entire catalog yet won’t store more important recollections. I find myself not able to sleep at 2AM, falling down the same insomnia rabbit hole. I find myself relying on familiar content to hide from the dark. I find myself clinging onto the leg of CZcams in desperation before I’m taken.

  • @junkmaillite
    @junkmaillite Před 9 měsíci

    This is so big brained ERB. Under appreciated.

  • @emmab3275
    @emmab3275 Před 7 lety +400

    I swear this is the most underrated battle. It's one of my top 5, easily.

  • @robin_emmel
    @robin_emmel Před 6 lety +2077

    "this ain`t Louisiana man, I ain`t buying it" shots has been fired xD

    • @JuanAlvarez-rx7oy
      @JuanAlvarez-rx7oy Před 5 lety +7

      It wasn't even that nice of a line.Bruhhhh he wasn't even trying to offend him.

    • @mhmq5051
      @mhmq5051 Před 5 lety +1

      ث

    • @glencoco5159
      @glencoco5159 Před 5 lety +3

      What does it mean? Im not american so i dont get the context.

    • @glencoco5159
      @glencoco5159 Před 5 lety

      @@aidanmurphy40 ooh that makes so much sense now thank you.

    • @dwaki3822
      @dwaki3822 Před 5 lety

      I just got that funny

  • @Batsonoutdoordesigns
    @Batsonoutdoordesigns Před 5 měsíci

    This is one of the best ERB, and JB needs to be back for more

  • @martinduncan3765
    @martinduncan3765 Před 8 měsíci +24

    I feel like this should be put in every history class at least once a year

  • @the1flym459
    @the1flym459 Před 6 lety +1806

    Jefferson commited the cardinal sin of rap battles: He went on the defensive

    • @TweekMorgan4dictator
      @TweekMorgan4dictator Před 6 lety +200

      I mean, yeah, but it also kinda works for his character.

    • @jdpena26
      @jdpena26 Před 6 lety +5

      Noah Lamberty wait why

    • @maxg8594
      @maxg8594 Před 6 lety +54

      If he attacked Douglass personally, other than that he didn't do many memorable things, he would be proving Douglass's point

    • @aviator550
      @aviator550 Před 6 lety +20

      Noah Lamberty
      I think the character playing Jefferson knew if he didn't bring it up (slavery) in his rap everybody else would in the comments section

    • @NarpytheCrimeDog
      @NarpytheCrimeDog Před 6 lety +74

      This is rather accurate for Jefferson. He freely admitted that he was a coward and constantly tried to justify his character flaws - more to himself than to others. He didn't like to boast or puff his chest - nor did he really like exploitation.

  • @eswan8900
    @eswan8900 Před 3 lety +478

    I just learned in school that when Douglass says the fourth of July is a very important holiday, but asks what it means to him is a reference to a speech he gave in 1852 called "What to the Slave is the Fourth of July?" Clever reference!

    • @dalemcilwain
      @dalemcilwain Před 2 lety +14

      July 4, 1826, fifty years after the Declaration Of Independence was signed. Thomas Jefferson and John Adams former presidents and bitter rivals died within hours of each other. Jefferson was gone at about 1PM, Adams passed after 4PM.

  • @bryandelk7537
    @bryandelk7537 Před 2 lety +4

    They just get better every time i watch theses videos

  • @Mirtguitar
    @Mirtguitar Před 2 lety +1

    oh man, i think this is my new favorite one

  • @Jchmcom
    @Jchmcom Před 2 lety +954

    “You couldn’t whip a fifth of me, man!”
    Jefferson was so ready to retort but instantly though
    “Fuck, ok that was a really good bar.”

    • @tykemorris
      @tykemorris Před 2 lety +46

      Is this a reference to blacks being assessed as "3/5 human"?

    • @kenleonard7739
      @kenleonard7739 Před rokem +77

      @@tykemorris Yes. "No compromise, you couldn't whip a 5th of me, man!" refers to the 3/5 Compromise, which was made so that states whose people's main interest was maintaining their right to buy and sell human beings would join ratify the Constitution.

    • @edwardblair4096
      @edwardblair4096 Před rokem +26

      @@tykemorris In particular the southern states wanted their slaves to count as whole people when it came to allocating seats in the House of Representatives. They weren't going to get to vote, but the (rich) free men of the state would have had the advantage of their numbers in Congress. The non-slave states did not want non-free population to count at all when it came to dividing political power between the states. The compromise was between these two positions.
      I understand how dehumanizing it sounds to us today, but I am not sure if it would have been better if the South had gotten their original wish. There is a good chance that the Civil War might have started earlier, or had a different outcome if the political balance was more favorable to the higher population of the southern slave states.
      Think no Missouri Compromise and probably more slavery in the western territories.

    • @tykemorris
      @tykemorris Před rokem +5

      @@edwardblair4096 On a similar "what if" note, a lot of people feel that the constitutional convention should have abolished slavery. While that seems right at first thought, there would have been at best 8 original states, two separate countries and no civil war to free the slaves. That would have prolonged slavery and increased the persecution of blacks.

    • @TheSpartanFactor
      @TheSpartanFactor Před rokem +22

      I don't think his hesitation is recognition of the bar, but a realization that countering would be bragging about his ability to whip a former slave.
      Jefferson is a specimen of shame in this battle, that's why his entire second verse is a long-winded non-apology. He refuses to take the blow and move on with the battle, and spends the rest of his time explaining away his failures. He has to believe his crimes and failures were justifiable, because his own thoughts echo Douglas's words.
      Thomas knows that Douglas is right, and choosing to dispute "you couldn't whip a fifth of me man," is a tacit admission of guilt. He knows in his brain that it would look real bad to interject on that note, but he has an emotional need to respond, because the lyric is a merciless assault on a very real insecurity of his.
      As for whether or not that's how the real Thomas Jefferson felt about his actions, I can't say. If there's an answer to that question I certainly haven't read enough about him to know, but that is definitely the read I get on this particular representation of him.

  • @fatjuicytaco
    @fatjuicytaco Před 5 lety +918

    “When it comes to Declarations I’m a first draft pick.”
    Underrated bar.

    • @narddog2311
      @narddog2311 Před 5 lety +8

      he was technically third. Ben Franklin and John Adams were asked first.

    • @fatjuicytaco
      @fatjuicytaco Před 5 lety +2

      Nard Dog Fair point. I didn’t write the lyric, but I do pay attention in history. Good catch.

    • @rookcapcoldblood2618
      @rookcapcoldblood2618 Před 5 lety +39

      Nard Dog
      He wrote the first draft. That’s why the line works.

    • @tedarcher9120
      @tedarcher9120 Před 5 lety +3

      First draft to the army is when the best and most experienced soldiers are called to arms. That means he is the best man to write the first draft, brilliant

  • @KriegeroftheLake
    @KriegeroftheLake Před rokem +1

    Quite possibly the most respectful erb ever, from both parties

  • @HELLSDALE
    @HELLSDALE Před 2 lety +2

    This is so good. So many good allusions.

  • @garboil
    @garboil Před 5 lety +2446

    I think this the best one ever. I love them all, but this is serious dope.
    “So down with revolution I invented the swivel chair”
    “You let freedom ring, but never picked up the phone”
    Genius.

    • @mastergamingdude6191
      @mastergamingdude6191 Před 5 lety +6

      u r a genius and u understand the ways of epic rap battles

    • @ositacarinosito
      @ositacarinosito Před 5 lety +21

      "I didn't come back from Paris to battle Pepe Le Pew"

    • @aaronjanestrada9484
      @aaronjanestrada9484 Před 5 lety +34

      You forgot
      "I'd never work for your ass, but I'd kick it for free"
      Roasted.

    • @ChronoBaw
      @ChronoBaw Před 5 lety +11

      My issue with this one has always been the super short second part from Jefferson, he apologized and didn't put any good lines forwards towards Douglass at all, would have been way better if that part had a second verse with some actual dissing towards Douglass rather than apologizing and sitting there like a punching bag

    • @ohyeahyeah4954
      @ohyeahyeah4954 Před 5 lety

      "No compromise. You couldnt whip a 5th of me man"