Giro d'Italia 2024 Route Reaction | Lanterne Rouge Cycling Podcast

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  • In this episode Patrick Broe and Benji Naesen analyse the 2024 Giro d'Italia route.
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    Timestamps:
    00:00:00 Intro
    00:01:15 Route overview
    00:10:58 Stage-by-stage analyses
    1:08:58 Overall thoughts and rating
    1:18:39 Outro, Berwick and Benji’s videos
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Komentáře • 112

  • @starkparker16
    @starkparker16 Před 7 měsíci +38

    I'm the kind of guy who watched Vuelta a Burgos and E3. I'm definitely watching the Giro no matter who rides.

    • @janbregar2561
      @janbregar2561 Před 7 měsíci +11

      Hey, E3 is an awesome and big race! With a huge startlist too

  • @masonblackburn5884
    @masonblackburn5884 Před 7 měsíci +17

    That "Olav isn't a GC rider Benji. I keep telling you" joke got me lol. So quick haha

  • @wibblemu9
    @wibblemu9 Před 7 měsíci +58

    We need both Jonas and Pog to do the giro-tour double

  • @kevinodonnell3425
    @kevinodonnell3425 Před měsícem +2

    Grand Tour anticipation fever is settling in now !

  • @Nick-rz6vq
    @Nick-rz6vq Před 5 měsíci +6

    Watching this after the release that Pogi would come, and where he can attack😂😂

  • @ROL4NDpkmnguide
    @ROL4NDpkmnguide Před 7 měsíci +25

    I feel like the Stelvio was put at the start of the stage so that if they have to remove it for bad weather it doesn’t ruin the stage. Otherwise they would have done the valley and then a double ascent

    • @TeoSluga
      @TeoSluga Před 7 měsíci +3

      true... Stelvio could easily be cancelled. It's a great climb... in July not in May.

    • @edoardodorigo2763
      @edoardodorigo2763 Před 7 měsíci +1

      Yoo! how are you bro? Glad you liked it🙂 for 4 people: 4 bunches/plants of basil = 70 g, (leaves only); 50g of Parmesan, 40 g of pecorino; 75 ml olive oil; 40 g pinenuts; 1 or 2 gloves of garlic (you can make a garlicless version if you want, or you play with ingredients's amount to make it more/less cheesy/nutty/basily😂)

  • @nicholasloduca6668
    @nicholasloduca6668 Před 7 měsíci +45

    I mean, I was super hyped for the parcour last year and we all know how that turned out. The parcour next year, just looking at the profiles, doesn't blow me away, but hoping its the opposite affect 🤞

    • @felixwagner3152
      @felixwagner3152 Před 7 měsíci +4

      it simply depends on the riders i think. Imo the hindley carapaz landa edition also wasnt that exciting either but it had some decent stages with riders/teams trying things.

  • @TeoSluga
    @TeoSluga Před 7 měsíci +6

    The Grappa stage will be decisive... It's a properly hard climb. First 12 km is just a warm up. After that it kicks up and holds gradients above 10%... This is the same climb where Nairo and Aru took 1 min on Uran and 4 min on Cadel Evans in 2014 ITT stage.

  • @empooress
    @empooress Před 7 měsíci +5

    Jonas, Pog, Rog and Remco, all will be going to the tour....GC Kuss for the Giro!

  • @oliverleigh9854
    @oliverleigh9854 Před 7 měsíci +4

    Stage 15 looks like proper mountain stage from the late 90's early 2000's

  • @evanschmid5409
    @evanschmid5409 Před 7 měsíci +4

    Atapuma shout had me rolling I remember him on BMC what a time

  • @carlofino4666
    @carlofino4666 Před 4 měsíci +1

    41:00the Recanati region is actually called "Le Marche". The main city being Ancona but there are many small towns with a lot of history. Among them, Recanri is particularly famous as it is the birth lace of Giacomo Leopardi, one of the main italian poets.

  • @VinciclettaRides
    @VinciclettaRides Před 7 měsíci +2

    They should cut stage 16 in 2. 1 climb time trial to the top of the Stelvio. Followed by stage 16b from Merano to Sankt Catharina.

  • @carl90210
    @carl90210 Před 7 měsíci +5

    Going to Naples and Pompei but not climbing Vesuvius 😞

  • @zladam9445
    @zladam9445 Před 7 měsíci +4

    Pogi and Jonas doing the Giro-Tour double, coming in a little weak for the Tour so they are at a similar level to Rogla, Remco etc might be the recipe for the greatest year of all time

  • @user-do4ld6mv8p
    @user-do4ld6mv8p Před 7 měsíci +5

    GC Kuss to the Giro

  • @maxm6931
    @maxm6931 Před 7 měsíci +2

    I like that there are little transfers except before the last stage. It feels like a proper tour of a country. Of course the south is mostly left out as usual, but it's difficult to find suitable roads there. Also, two proper ITT should be the norm for a Grand Tour.

  • @peterduvall6920
    @peterduvall6920 Před 7 měsíci +8

    GC Ganna when stage 15 gets nerfed

  • @mikegiunta4560
    @mikegiunta4560 Před 7 měsíci +20

    Doubt any of the top 4 GC riders (Pog, Rog, Jonas, Remco) will participate unless they get a huge appearance fee. I expect this to be Ayuso, G, Yates, and the rest of the second tier to battle it out.

    • @thibaultlacroix3180
      @thibaultlacroix3180 Před 7 měsíci +9

      Yates is a better gc rider then remco

    • @markdwelchforcongress4456
      @markdwelchforcongress4456 Před 7 měsíci

      If G goes to the Giro,who leads ineos at the TDF ?

    • @lookinforanick
      @lookinforanick Před 7 měsíci +5

      Doesn't really matter since they have 0 chance of winning it 😂

    • @MDP1702
      @MDP1702 Před 7 měsíci +2

      @@thibaultlacroix3180 Yates trackrecord isn't that great regarding GT's, you are now falling victim to regency bias with Yates doing his best ever GT this year (by a mile) and Remco having a lesser Vuelta after first targetting the Giro and WC ITT.

    • @guillermoavendanogarcia3101
      @guillermoavendanogarcia3101 Před 7 měsíci

      C. Rod quite obviously who was 5th this year Xd@@markdwelchforcongress4456

  • @luigibrioschi970
    @luigibrioschi970 Před 7 měsíci +2

    FYI Riccione is pronounced with a soft "c" like Ciao. If you use a hard "c" then it becomes another word entirely and saying that in Italy would be just like going to America and ask for a cigarette using the british slang for it😅

  • @rebeccabertrand3335
    @rebeccabertrand3335 Před 7 měsíci +3

    I wish the Giro was later in the year. They can't put proper mountain stages early on because of snow, so they either get left until the last week and the race is boring for the first two weeks, or they just aren't put in at all 😞

  • @TD05SSLegacy
    @TD05SSLegacy Před 7 měsíci +5

    GC-Gana!

  • @16peter20
    @16peter20 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Off season pod idea - LRCP fantasy grand tour. Rog, Pog, G, Vinegaard, Remco all on the start line. Design the parcour that makes the best racing over 3 weeks

    • @mumblerapkilla5406
      @mumblerapkilla5406 Před 7 měsíci +1

      1. Liverpool urban ITT
      2. Lancaster - Kendal (Lake District)
      3. Manchester - Birmingham (flat)
      4. Le Touquet - Bruges (flat)
      5. Kortrijk - Ronse (Paris Roubaix cobbles first half: C de l'A, MeP, Arenberg, final climbs: Kanarieberg and Oude Kwaremont)
      6. Arras - Châlons (flat)
      7. Épinal - Le Markstein (Medium Mt in Vosges: Calvaire, Croix des Moinats, Oderen, Bramont, Schlucht, Pt Ballon, Platzerwasel)
      8. Belfort - Dijon (Hilly + gravel)
      9. Belleville - Puy de Dôme (unipuerto)
      10. Tulle - Bordeaux (flat)
      11. Libourne - Pau (flat)
      12. Tarbes - Cauterets (like 2023: Aspin, Tourmalet, Cambasque)
      13. Toulouse - Col de Portet (like 2021: Peyresourde, Louron-Azet, Portet)
      14. Toulouse - Narbonne (flat)
      15. Arles - Avignon ITT
      16. Toulon - Monaco (Medium Mt: Col d'Èze)
      17. Menton - Jausiers (Turini, La Bonette +)
      18. Embrun - Grenoble (Medium Mt: Devoluy, Grenoble la Bastille +)
      19. Albertville - Alpe d'Huez (Queen Stage: Madeleine, Telegraphe, Galibier, Alpe d'Huez)
      20. St Jean de Mne - Morzine (like 2006: Saissies, Aravis, Colombière, Joux-Plane)
      21. Versailles - Paris (procession)
      - 8 Mt stages
      - 2 ITT
      - 7 flat stages
      - 4 Hilly/Medium Mt/Cobbles/gravel

  • @nikoriesen5128
    @nikoriesen5128 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Already looked forward to this one!

  • @abdelghanibenhammouda242
    @abdelghanibenhammouda242 Před 7 měsíci +2

    Pogi in cold weather will turn to beast

  • @lookinforanick
    @lookinforanick Před 7 měsíci +5

    So that you know, Riccione is pronounced "rich-chyone".
    The way you are doing it, you are inadvertently using the Italian equivalent of f****t. Which normally wouldn't be ok, but in light of your innocence and obliviousness is bloody hilarious 😂

  • @mattwilson3249
    @mattwilson3249 Před 7 měsíci +1

    am i wrong but is the stage 13 profile wrong on the recording? otherwise great insight cheers lads!

  • @bjarmula
    @bjarmula Před 7 měsíci +1

    The Livigno finish has got to be on gravel? And spending the rest day at high elevation could be interesting for recovery.

  • @ROL4NDpkmnguide
    @ROL4NDpkmnguide Před 7 měsíci +4

    As always the race will be made by the riders. If Pogi has a 2 minute lead by the strade bianche stage, for example, i can see the peloton just letting a break go. I like the stages, but It all depends on how the races evolves

  • @noahmills2884
    @noahmills2884 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Missed you guys. Hope you've been riding your bikes.

  • @wanderingjuniper
    @wanderingjuniper Před 7 měsíci

    i live in Semonzo, doing Grappa twice is vicious. Looking forward to it

  • @thomasharteveld9614
    @thomasharteveld9614 Před 7 měsíci +5

    I was hoping you did a review of stage 3 of Tour of Turkye. I was wondering how you would rank these climbers / potential. Also because Bora riders showed potential

    • @imranwahid11
      @imranwahid11 Před 7 měsíci

      It was very anti climatic, meh-type stage to be honest

  • @jozseftheneopro
    @jozseftheneopro Před 7 měsíci +6

    I hope that Jumbo will send Valter and Kuss for next year Giro🤞

  • @robertcox5407
    @robertcox5407 Před 7 měsíci +2

    GCKUSS for the Giro.

  • @peterwilliams4456
    @peterwilliams4456 Před 7 měsíci +9

    s.Yates is 99% certain to do the TDF - Jayco liked his program in 2023 and want to repeat it.

    • @janbregar2561
      @janbregar2561 Před 7 měsíci +1

      Source?

    • @KD_cycling
      @KD_cycling Před 7 měsíci

      I've been wondering if he will do the TDU next year. With Plapp on the team now they might give the local kid the GC slot? Presumably they send Ewan too

    • @peterwilliams4456
      @peterwilliams4456 Před 7 měsíci +1

      I expect Plapp to be the leader at the TDU - He's well suited to Willunga Hill.

    • @peterwilliams4456
      @peterwilliams4456 Před 7 měsíci +1

      TDU organisers confirmed Ewan will be at the race.@@KD_cycling

  • @edwin.jansen
    @edwin.jansen Před 7 měsíci

    👋 Please place your bets on the Stelvio being in or out of the race. 🙂 Livigno sounds great but it is a big risk weather-wise

  • @Adiz9809
    @Adiz9809 Před 7 měsíci +2

    October 2023: "Olav isn't a GC rider, Benji, I keep telling you".
    Meanwhile, two to three years down the road: #GCKooij

  • @mumblerapkilla5406
    @mumblerapkilla5406 Před 7 měsíci +1

    I agree 💯 with Benji about the Stelvio abomination

  • @cristinarana2645
    @cristinarana2645 Před 7 měsíci

    As an Alpecin fan boy, let’s not forget the Zwift 2023 winner Vergalito for mountain breakaway stages

  • @gnesterif5783
    @gnesterif5783 Před 7 měsíci

    Forcola di livigno has not been opened in May since 2015 and one side is in Switzerland...

  • @florianfeldwisch1750
    @florianfeldwisch1750 Před 7 měsíci +1

    I think stage 20 is very very nice!!!
    Also on my opinion you overvalue Sivakov, Almeida, Thomas - don't see any of them on the podium.
    And Pogi for Giro would quite bad, because a boring Giro and Tour would become possible with that.
    Pogacar also is still conviced to be able to beat Jonas head to head, i think.

  • @czeckson74
    @czeckson74 Před 7 měsíci +1

    I hope that LIDL-TREK sends a good Team !

  • @skippypicasso
    @skippypicasso Před 7 měsíci

    this is the kind of parcours where the riders *can* make the race so I’m actually pretty hyped. The Olympics are definitely the best thing that could happen to the Giro.

  • @timcahill4445
    @timcahill4445 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Oscar Sevilla gets more coverage on cycling media nowadays than he did back when he was cooking the likes of Bobby Heras and Leipheimer in 2001 Vuelta.

  • @IreneInJuly
    @IreneInJuly Před 7 měsíci

    Adding on to the (unpopular?) takes on Stage 16. What if the Passo dello Stelvio is closed, or anyway has to be removed because of inclement weather and unsafe conditions? With the Stelvio early on, the Stage can still be "meaningful", especially if they decide to add on from Santa Cristina (Passo Sella, Pordoi, Giau... there are plenty of options through Arabba and Corvara that would not overlap with Stage 17). Maybe for once they thought things through ...
    Also, don't underestimate the last Kms from Bolzano to Fie'/Castelrotto/Ortisei - They are not inhumane, but not trivial either.

  • @janbregar2561
    @janbregar2561 Před 7 měsíci

    Jeez 1:22 long podcast letsgooExpecting some really nice analysis.

  • @joli577
    @joli577 Před 7 měsíci

    Sivakov , Jay Vine for the Giro GC UAE

  • @edwin.jansen
    @edwin.jansen Před 7 měsíci

    Adam Yates "I would love to ride this Giro next year!". Tadej frowning his forehead. Gianetti: "I understand, [but you are not going, you have to work for Tadej at the Tour] but we have bigger objectives".

  • @emilioroman9853
    @emilioroman9853 Před 7 měsíci +2

    This will be ez job for GC kuss

  • @tommybrozoski9418
    @tommybrozoski9418 Před 7 měsíci

    Stage 20 seems bang on for Mohoric

  • @LucRuoss
    @LucRuoss Před měsícem

    I'm starting to think that in recent years the Tour has become harder than both the Giro and the Vuelta (it's always been the hardest grand Tour, in my opinion). Meaning that the riders are under more pressure to compete with each other and win, and there is simply a bigger audience. I feel like the Tour profile this year is more suitable to attacks from the GC contenders, and that the Giro and Vuelta profiles are less demanding. Case in point: on the first day, it's supposedly a hilly stage, but I don't feel like the GC contenders will do anything since the last climb is so far out from the finish, and there's only a little lip at the end. Maybe it will end up being just like last year, but who knows.

    • @kevinodonnell3425
      @kevinodonnell3425 Před měsícem

      Has Grand Tour fever set in yet? Impatiently waiting on the Giro

  • @olivergalloway-kh2ql
    @olivergalloway-kh2ql Před 7 měsíci

    were you on about the tour stage Pedersen won where Groenewegen looked very good

  • @hullierter
    @hullierter Před 7 měsíci +1

    I guess you would be excited if the Giro would start in the middle of the Adria

  • @edwin.jansen
    @edwin.jansen Před 7 měsíci

    The descent of the Forcola is almost a straight road.

  • @paulingster9827
    @paulingster9827 Před 7 měsíci

    Good job boys. Keen to know what’s your thought on other teams gc other than the big teams.
    Bora, ag2r, fdj, lidel etc. who should go. Tao ? Ben O etc.

  • @dennisdeyoung5428
    @dennisdeyoung5428 Před 7 měsíci +2

    What about GC Kuss!!!

  • @3DeadDucks
    @3DeadDucks Před 7 měsíci +2

    Vingegaard going to all three grand tours next year? Sepp did it and Jonas' wife was talking about this idea.

    • @Soli11
      @Soli11 Před 7 měsíci +8

      I think Vingegaard will attempt it at some point but I don't it will be next year.
      If Vingegaard is going to ride a GT, he is riding it to win it. While I have every respect for what Sepp did, it's much much harder to win all three GTs in one year than just riding them. Tour de France is Jonas' biggest obstacle. Honestly, if Pogacar didn't do any GTs next year, I think Jonas would have a real shot at winning all three.

    • @luiscolon921
      @luiscolon921 Před 7 měsíci +1

      Riding a GT as support and racing a GT to win are two very different animals.

  • @rainingtacos5879
    @rainingtacos5879 Před 7 měsíci +1

    No mention of a possible GC Kuss for Jumbo at the Giro?? Not an ideal parcours but dare we dream the eagle flies free?

    • @smeetsnoud1
      @smeetsnoud1 Před 7 měsíci

      Impossible with the amount of flat TT kms. Also Kuss doesn't like the constant stress and pressure. I'm betting on Kuss to pull Keldergoat to a revenge GC win.

  • @ShawnIsBatman
    @ShawnIsBatman Před 7 měsíci +4

    I don't think that Pog does the Giro. Having lost the last two editions of the TdF, he will be needing to win that one, that will be all that matters to him next year.

    • @MDP1702
      @MDP1702 Před 7 měsíci

      I think he'll also want to be part of potentially the best battle the TdF has had in years (startlist wise).

    • @GravesenLFC
      @GravesenLFC Před 7 měsíci

      In my opinion, Pog will be more interested in OI and WC road races next year, if he in addition also win TdF, so much the better, but he will not bother with that...

  • @luca83439
    @luca83439 Před 7 měsíci +2

    Stage 16 would be the perfect stage if reversed

  • @julessedee8637
    @julessedee8637 Před 7 měsíci +1

    I think Arensman could podium this Giro.

  • @7orx
    @7orx Před 7 měsíci

    Maybe they put stelvio like this so they can easily skip it in bad weather without gutting the entire stage

  • @daniellinanmolina1044
    @daniellinanmolina1044 Před 7 měsíci +1

    that stelvio stage is screaming for some coppi like attack but shit aint like that no more

  • @sean7879Outdoor
    @sean7879Outdoor Před 7 měsíci

    sharing Benji's pain about the Stelvio disrespect!

  • @Budhimir
    @Budhimir Před 7 měsíci +1

    Grande partenza in Hungary should be in 2020 but it was cancelled since covid.

  • @beautoxt3482
    @beautoxt3482 Před 7 měsíci

    Tschuu tschu tschudor train
    🚂🚃🚃🚃

  • @CompletelyCr
    @CompletelyCr Před 7 měsíci +1

    Not enough TT kms, should be 100km at least

  • @MariaScreamapova
    @MariaScreamapova Před 7 měsíci

    Vingegaard would win stages 7 & 8 back to back, also Stages 15 & 17

  • @danishcomfort1678
    @danishcomfort1678 Před 7 měsíci

    Stage 8 is a laurent dufaux stage.

  • @benjaminlawlor6327
    @benjaminlawlor6327 Před 7 měsíci

    Stelvio polka dots battle

  • @MassiWOW
    @MassiWOW Před 7 měsíci

    Pogi probably should go. It would probably, most likely kill a lot of excitement for the race though, might even ruin the Tour aswell if Remco or Rog ain't no match for Vingegaard (I don't think Pogi can be fully fit for the Tour after the Giro).

  • @tiedrolland
    @tiedrolland Před 7 měsíci

    WvA should ride for GC. He could definitely podium

  • @mappinello3127
    @mappinello3127 Před 7 měsíci

    The livigno stage (15) would not have happened last year due to both snow and Swiss police... but last year was a year with extremely late snowfall in Italy so maybe... let's hope for it
    PS. Recanati region in no such thing, Osimo is the big city (Tirreno 23, penultimate stage)

  • @donsolomon8501
    @donsolomon8501 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Bora will blitz stage 16

  • @MrThesandyballs
    @MrThesandyballs Před 7 měsíci

    Agree with everything Benji had to say about the Stelvio (“I love the Stelvio” :D). It really is a crime against humanity to use it like this. Only thing I don’t agree is their final verdict of 7.5/10. This parcour doesn’t even pass 4.5/10 for me. So many nothing stages and nothing burger climbs.

  • @edwin.jansen
    @edwin.jansen Před 7 měsíci

    A 38km TT is not a long TT. If you think that is long you are just not old enough! :P 🙂

  • @abdelghanibenhammouda242
    @abdelghanibenhammouda242 Před 7 měsíci

    Pog will think abt olympic and world cuz world next year will be hilly

  • @nungshipongen457
    @nungshipongen457 Před 7 měsíci +1

    The riders might make the race but the excitement before the race is also important and the parcours don't have that.. Less excitement and anticipation in preview of stages for sure.. Too many sprinters stages

  • @KD_cycling
    @KD_cycling Před 7 měsíci

    So... Remco bait?... Cool 🙄
    I'll be happy if it just doesn't piss rain every single stage like this year

  • @frasco_5518
    @frasco_5518 Před 7 měsíci

    no way bro said ricchione lol, all italian listeners laughed at that moment i can tell u that

  • @geodesy2009
    @geodesy2009 Před 7 měsíci +4

    Utterly crappy parcour - not enough climbing - too much in time trials. Good for sprinters but, well just plain boring.

  • @andreim1270
    @andreim1270 Před 7 měsíci +1

    There's no chance Pogi does the giro so stop with that 😂

  • @juanclaudiodreyfus2801
    @juanclaudiodreyfus2801 Před 7 měsíci

    #catkiller

  • @markschemel6409
    @markschemel6409 Před 7 měsíci +2

    1. Remco needs to stay out of Italy for 2024, unfortunately he is cursed in Italy. Please do RVV Remco please, try Italy in 2025.
    2. How much of a "classics season" will Pogi do? MSR? RVV? Ect
    3. Bora will go alllllll in for Primoz at the tour with the best team, Bora will send their B team for the Giro if they do GC, Welsford sprint team is a good option, good call LR
    4. Jorgenson will be attached to WVA hip during the classics so he will be resting for the Tour team.

    • @janbregar2561
      @janbregar2561 Před 7 měsíci +1

      If Pogi does Giro, then I very much doubt about RvV.
      Think his season could look like this:
      -a race in february (Andalucia/UAE Tour)
      -Strade + Tirreno
      -Sanremo
      -Catalunya or altitude camp
      -If no Catalunya, then certainly he'll do a race before the Giro: Alps/Romandie/Liege
      -Giro
      Olympics
      -Vuelta

  • @danieletognozzi7641
    @danieletognozzi7641 Před 7 měsíci

    Fyi: Riccione is the municipality, "ricchione" a derogatory for homosexuals... better not confusing one for the other.

  • @ItachiGT
    @ItachiGT Před 7 měsíci +1

    Cannot see Pogacar doing this Giro, if he still wants to do the Tour.
    Even the classics season races will be in question. If he wants to stand a chance against Vingegaard, he will need a preparation at least as good as the Dane.
    Pogacar doing the Vuelta would be more likely than doing this Giro.

  • @richardwheatley7194
    @richardwheatley7194 Před 7 měsíci +1

    + 1 for Torino as the start and iconic start location. 😀