Xbox is Dying | EFAP Highlight
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- čas přidán 7. 09. 2024
- The gang discusses the disastrous history of Xbox, from the horrifyingly bad E3 2013 reveal of the Xbox One, to the closure of the studio behind Hi-Fi Rush and Senua's Saga: Hellblade 2's total lack of advertisement.
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What these companies fail to realize is that when consoles stop selling physical games, not only does PC become far more attractive, but piracy does too
So they would leave a platform over digital only games to go to a platform of digital games only?😂😂😂😂 It will never push console players to spend 2-3 grand on a pc.
@@nd8490🤡🤡
@@nd8490 I've lived through the '06 console war. People still saying computers cost 3k? Wild.
@@nd8490 I built mine for $900 with used semi used parts
Yup. Sold my Xbox because a cheap laptop was cheaper and better
*Lol, Extra Credits has taken the backstage of both this conversation and this video.*
*As always, it has nothing important to say.*
Extra Credits couldn’t be on the front stage if they had a spotlight and an air horn.
@@Agent789_0 An air horn would make them slightly more annoying, though!
EC's whole "argument" was "look, inflation" and "devs good gamers bad". All statements backed by a very strong "I researched this all night" proof.
@@trygveplaustrum4634 I'd take the air horn over the voice
What do you mean by, "taken the backstage?"
The XBox One reveal might be the biggest fuck up in video game history.
The problem was they wanted to expand their customer base at expense of their actual customer base.
They marketed the Xbox one as a home entertainment system more than a games console
@@the98themperoroftheholybri33 Yeah. I haven’t bought an XBox console since. Games were a total afterthought in that announcement.
@@BradPlays81 originally yes, but since they replaced the guy who originally made that decision it's very much more focused on being a games console, with things regarding the use of voice and Kinect no longer being necessary to run your Xbox.
But it does suck balls that you can't share a game with your friend once it's redeemed and installed on your console
@@the98themperoroftheholybri33I think the big issue now is Phil Spencer isn’t good at his job and they ran their IPs into the ground. What character do you even associate with XBox now. I am assuming Halo still but that series is really in the dumps now.
Yeah I had the Xbox and the 360 and that announcent was probably the main factor in why I went PS4 that gen. Ended up being a good choice as that was the gen xbox's exclusives all seemed to tank. Dev brought up the single compelling selling point I've heard to getting the latest Xbox, and that's the crazy backwards compatibility. As a bit of a retro gamer, being able to play 4 generations of games on one console is actually really neat, but I'm not sure it's neat enough to buy a console.
Microsoft's problem is similar to Boeing's; they stopped being led by the engineers.
My brother works at Boeing. Can confirm. They screwed up big time. He worked for them for over 30 years, and now is just counting the days to retirement and watching the ship (or plane rather) slowly sink.
So we now have Look at the plane that diversity has build to replace the Simpsons line of How is the house that love buiild?
@@ThatPurpleGirl81when the company pretty much has overwhelming control of the market then they have no reason to care since people have no choice but to buy from them
Do you mean ms in general? Cause they have the highest market cap in the world. Or are you talking about xbox specifically? Gaming is a creative/entertainment enterprise. Having a gaming division led by engineers is like expecting NASA to create a great movie.
@@justwait9822I was referring to the Xbox itself, not the games. Hardware and software engineers.
The Xbox One E3 fuckup was so much worse too. Forcing Kinect, Always Online, No Game-Sharing, No Used Games, $100 more expensive, No Backwards Compatibility, Forcing TV into Everything...but the final fuckup was Don Mattrick's comment - when asked "What would you say to people who don't have an internet connection?" his response? "We have a console for them, it's called Xbox 360." That was the final nail in the coffin for me. I never bought one, and I had an OG Xbox and 360. I've never bought an Xbox since. I built a pc in 2014 instead and never looked back.
Yup and then the absolute DUNK Sony hit them with when they put out "How to share games on ps4" video.
On top of that the only games they put out were Forza and Halo. So they didnt even have a system selling game.
It’s a common but continuously prophetic meme that Valve does nothing yet keeps winning.
Valve is the embodiment of those videos of Mario Party mini games where Luigi wins by doing nothing.
Except they are pushing Linux further by investing resources into further developing compatibility layers and improving other components, all to improve their Steam Deck, their own console, while also advancing Linux (which is also good, considering Microsoft is hostile to Windows, but the majority of Steams users are stuck there)
But then Microsoft is also helping them by repeatedly shotgunning their foot when it comes to making Windows so bad Linux is becoming really compelling.
Neutral Jing.
>Game company
>Makes no games
>Profits
The power of being a private company
Funny how in hindsight the lack of marketing for Hellblade 2 wasn't because Microsoft didn't have confidence in the game. There was simply nothing to market because you just walk from point A, to point B, get into an awkward fight once in a while, solve some cheap puzzles, then the credits roll. How are you suppose to hype that up?
I would argue that with the story, but if that's also lacking...
I'm baffled that it took them 7 years to make a game that's 2 hours long.
I have a theory that Hellblade 1 and 2 are just money laundering or that they are just made to impress investors with pretty graphics.
The video game industry didn’t learn from Hollywood when they tried to go full-on streaming service focused and intentionally killed physical media.
Google tryed and failed... MS said... Let me try...
The rest isnt doing it. So no the industry is not going full on with streaming.
I really liked both Fringy's and Rags's insights in this clip, and apprecated the generally respectful exchanges among so many speakers.
“I’ve been looking forward to this.”
- Count Dookisms
Ninja Theory just massively missed the mark with Hellblade 2. It took them 7 years to make a 2 hour long game with an all time peak of not even 4000 players on Steam and no profits from Xbox because it's free on Gamepass. Great investment Microsoft.
Ninja theory made DmC (no, the gameplay isn't to the level of the other DMC games) and then Hellblade 1 right? I remember hearing good things of that one, but it was clearly for a pretty niche audience.
The only good thing to come out of the Xbox kinect era was "I'm Han Solo" from the Star Wars kinect game.
I still cant believe they had the company that made Black and White. Yet only created a raft game and a horse simulation
My favorite part of the video was hearing what Extra Credits has to say about this topic
34:36 Rags mentioned flagship titles and my first thought was "Oh well they've got Halo...oh no"
Hi-Fi Rush studio getting closed down still upset me, if raincode didn't came out in 2023, Hi-fi Rush is easily one of my top favs games ever, and it just shadow-dropped when it came out too, it was the ONLY Xbox game to even won an award.
You know what studio they could of shut down? 343 but u all know why, cause it halo
tango lead left the studio lmao
By Xbox do you mean EA? 'Cause Dead Space is owned by EA, not Xbox
@@Egurius3 whoops, yeah sorry, gotta mixed it up cause they were talking about it in the vid
@@luluna5228 Ik but the team behind it was still there, the dev room in hi-fi rush was great, how they overcame odds, only for them to get shut down, it beyond sad
@@lulukomadori9651 you can blame 2020 for it
*Reject modernity. Embrace Balatro.*
(seriously, I blame Mauler for getting hooked on that game, it's so good!)
Fringy is dead on, Arrogance is the cause of the biggest upsets even in Computer hardware. AMD has knocked NVidia on their butt at the start, NVidia was charging full price for their "New" GPU with very little increase in performance and got shook when they release a card that was almost as powerful for way cheaper. Then AMD knocked Intel on their ass with Ryzen hit them so hard they were force to bring a generator powered CPU cooler to run their "Totally not slapdashed" Multi Core CPU at a tech show.
I learned one thing I want no company to go uncontested and not to worship any of them. If they "win" every individual loses, even the people who get paid/benefit temporarily, will lose something.
Xbox is doing so badly that there is a whole CZcams algorithm of content of Xbox Doing Bad videos.
Bring the Fring!
Lord of the Frings ; the return of the Fring
The Frung was indeed Brung
Fringy's classic catchphrase!
Present your Goo
I need his monotone droning like a fish needs water
People used to watch home shopping and buy collectors plates and so corporations getting rid of physical merch is fucking stupid.
People used to buy these collector's editions becasue they loved the characters and it was pertty to look at.
Beauty is just not a thing in modern western gaming.
Who tf wants a Senua (Hellblade) statue or figure?
@@denkerbosu3551 there you go then
Rest in peace Halo. My favourite green boy was massacred
I will say this; conversations like this is why I love EFAP. They can transform some of the dullest, moronic videos into some insightful stuff. Xbox for me peaked with original and 360. So many games I played on that like Halo, Shaolin Monks, Star Wars Obi wan etc. And yet Microsoft just kept loosing their way with awful names, choices etc. And with the rise of PC and me having a decent rig, I see no reason to get a new Xbox outside physical which my PS4 and my old PS3 cover.
PC will turn it all the way of dinosaurs.
In the great big "Console War" I unironically think XBox will be the next big console to fall after Sega in 2001.
Its not gonna fall, there is too little competition and too much need for it. It's probably gonna slowly deteriorate to the point it has lost all identity.
@@kosmas173 I think what you're saying is spot on to recent rumors that XBox will just become Microsoft Gaming, meaning the XBox Console and Brand is possibly dead.
The irony of Xbox having the safety net of Microsoft while PlayStation in the Sony leaks was the one of the only profitable departments because of the all their movies bombing like Morbius and Madam Web
Mind you, this is before Morbius and the Webster came out.
@@denkerbosu3551 you’re right I guess the one that would be more in line would be ghostbusters(2016)
I have nothing against Xbox but I’ve never owned one. My gripe with Microsoft is that they now own Crash Bandicoot. I’ve had every PlayStation even though I’m not a super hardcore gamer.
First Banjo-Kazooie and Conker. Now Crash and Spyro....
And Sony has been letting all their mascots go to waste too. Sly, Jak, Ape Escape. Ratchet is the only one still hanging on by any metric. It's a tragedy, really...
@@Cyberguy64 Yeah, it’s crazy that they do nothing with all these IPs. Is it too much to ask for an N Sane Trilogy style remaster for the PS2 Crash games? I guess Crash has been luckier than most since we got a new game a few years ago, but I still don’t like it.
Gary is that you?
I've had nearly all of PS's and Xbox's consoles except the slims, the PS1, the PS5, and I think the Series S, I like Xbox way better compared to PlayStation. I don't have to buy the ability to play with my friends online, and I can get free games for even cheaper than even a 3 months PS Plus card with GamePass.
Microsoft's business decisions have been mega shitty yes, but, Sony's are worse and I'm not being robbed by Microsoft.
@@wheezer6695 I think the only reason I had them all is because as a kid, I had the PS1 and 2. I never saw a reason to switch brands. I don’t pay for the online thing, it’s just a box that plays the disk I put into it. If my parents had bought me the Xbox, I’d probably have them today instead. They’re both fine products made by shitty companies.
The only thing thats dying faster than Sony is Xbox.
Not really.
Seriously. At least Sony has games. Whether or not they are cross Gen is irrelevant. Xbox has had one game since 2010 and the subsequently closed down the studio because they got self-conscious that it was the best game Xbox has ever put out.
@@backupschmliff1156 Sony has games? All it has is remasters all this generation. And no first party til 2025.
@@SophieReverbyeah and that’s still better than what xbox has
@@chapman2001 Pretty much. XBox has a live service, Sony has IPs they occasionally drop games.
They have a 1st party for next year, does XBox?
The fact I don't know and you didn't include it to push how Xbox totally has games is telling.
I've been paying for GamePass Ultimate for like a good 10 months for the off chance that I'd finish my backlog and finally play Lies of P.
After they closed the HiFi stuff and all that drama I realised how stupid and wasteful I was being, and that if I'm gonna play Lies of P it deserves to be paid for upfront.
Gamepass is total nonsense. The only other game I could've kept it for is the Alice: Madness Returns series but it's on EA now and hell I'd rather just buy that too and support the actual studio.
They aren't your friends.
@@____uncompetativeI don’t need to be her friend if I pay for the lap dance
Gamepass quite literally makes perfect sense.
Alice madness returns what a great game played that when it came out on PS3 that's a game everyone should have in their collection.
Gamepass does absolutely nothing for studios. And yes, Lies of P deserves the full asking price.
'Splinter Cell' put me on the path of XBox console purchases, first to last. Sam Fisher, where are you?!
Xbox has tons of IPs, the issue is they cant ship a game to save their life because Microsoft has a """cost saving""" measure that involves using almost entirely contractors that can only work there for 18 months before they cant work at Microsoft for 6 months. This leads to there being little to no real experience to be built up, meaning theyre constantly training new guys to work on their games. Probably part of the reason they axed Tango, because they had actual employees. Between that and the fact that GamePass was causing them to just hemorrhage money because in addition to being unable to ship games, they also didnt want to actually sell games. Sure it gained them some good will but it also basically killed the division. As of now, it seems like Activision Blizzard is the only studio thats safe from being killed over there. They paid $70 billion for it, so itll probably be good for now. Hard to be sure though considering Phil Spencer seems to love burning money
The contractors really adds to the lack of passion you feel with games like Halo and Gears. Like, why would you be passionate about something you work on for 18 months where, no matter how well you do, you'll summarily be given the boot when the time comes? Who knows if it'll even be the same thing in 6 months time?
There are so many great IPs that are going to languish under Microsoft now, the same way Gears and Halo have. It's depressing.
They bought activ-bliz just to say all their games are on gp. They may not shut them down outright but they may get the Halo treatment.
The craziest thing about the Xbox one was they were going to have special terminals at retail stores. If you didn’t log in for 24hrs you would get locked out. You would have take your hard drive there and hook it up to unlock the hard drive so you can actually play and use the product you’ve paid for..
As a “gamer” who bought a secondhand Xbox one… I can confirm this because due to the ridiculous shit they have released these past years I use my Xbox almost exclusively for entertainment. The only games I actually bought for the Xbox one was a park builder simulation, COD:CW, and a Star Wars game. The rest I feel absolutely ripped off because for a monthly fee I have the permission of those “developers” to use my game, my console and my internet to play multiplayer… fuck off 🤣🤣
I only use it to play Classic Battlefront 2 cause the OG XBOX version allows you to play SplitScreen Galactic Conquest
@@daskampffredchen9242 nice… but not enough for me to buy more games… I even forgot to add that every time I bought those games I had to download it to my console and I took for forever? And not even that, that I still needed the physical discs to run it… even if it was downloaded 🤣 such a scam 🤣🤣
My favourite memory growing up getting new games was opening up the box reading the little manual in the back of the car, putting the disc into the xbox and just playing, no 60GB day one updates, no setting up an account for the developer (EA I'm looking at you) and no bs.
Ubisoft, Bethesda and others are doing this now too, I think. I avoid their games I wouldn't know for sure.
I'd take a small stack of manuals and read them on the toilet. Many were done with such care and style, just reading about what a unit or building did felt immersive and excited me to get back to playing. I'm the same with books, I love the physical copy.
@@AndyCandyZeroSugarYeah, Id read them after being sent to bed back in the day. Hyped myself to jump back into halo 2 the next day lol
So glad you guys brought up the 2013 Xbox One reveal event. I remember it so well. Was watching it live with all the roommates, all die hard 360 fans.
By the end of the night we had all planned on buying PS4s.
In former SU it is really hard to find anyone who have or ever had X-Box. Even controllers for PC from X-Box aren't selling, people just buy dualshock and figure out how to connect it later. X-Box is basically just NA thing, nobody cares for it outside of US and Canada.
I play PlayStation or Nintendo myself, but even then, I thought Halo was the big thing for XBox. Other than that, DualShock works great as a Bluetooth controller even on PC. It works for just about any emulator on PC too. I tried using XBox controllers on PC years back, but it was buggy if I did software updates compared to the DualShock ones.
For the 360, you even had to buy a separate network adapter to even connect online. Which is probably what caused a lot of fans to feel betrayed when the Xbox one came out, with it being online only they should have named it the Xbox 180 because of how backwards we were moving. ALSO, they showed Kinect game footage at e3 that was prerecorded and not real. Just a series of consecutive bad decisions being made by Xbox.
I remember a big downside on Playstation a lot of people were concerned about during the PS3 era too was when playstation network got hacked. Issue of security.
Yeah, they mentioned the hack.
Wot about da Shitcube, comrade?
I love Nintendo's virtual console. They insist that you buy the game again so that you can play a ROM they found online with an emulator they also found online.
It’s a shame that ~2007 vc is the gold standard from them. Funny how that one happened to be made in-house.
This sidetrack might be the best in efap history
Most kinects ended up in airports and were used to scan suitcases on the conveyor belts.
I remember when the articles came out about the x360 kinect being able to see a man's bulge through his pants lul apparently it was really good for scientific research too
Weird hearing people praise PlayStation considering how anti-gamer they've gotten. They tanked one of the biggest AA titles of 2024 just by adding PSN requirements.
Yeah, but they're taking about a 10+ years story here, not a recent event.
Hardly tanked. Hell they already corrected it by being upfront when Ghost of Tsushima launched. Helldivers 2 is doing fine though they need some actual new content to keep it going. C'mon arrowhead
@@JohnGoetzGaming they have had multiple failed MOs since the psn debacle. Even the MOs that previously were completed in less than 24 hours have failed. Player count dropped significantly and you can really notice it in game.
@@denkerbosu3551 going back to ps3, the high cost of the console made it a no go for those who didn’t see the point in overpaying for a game box. Not only the cost of the console, but the fact that their exclusives since ps2 have been rather disappointing doesn’t help either. Now with the ps5, there’s nothing it offers that makes it worthwhile. Expensive, hard to come by, limited games, it adds up to a gaming company that can’t deliver the one thing it should; good gaming experience.
@@MDTako
I'm not talking major orders. I'm talking about something actually new like a new enemy or a giant bug with 8 players to take it down or something. Some huge community event could be cool
That's why I haven't gone back recently it's still all the same
Perfect example of the Side Quest Bieng better than the main story
A lot of people are addicted to gaming, they will pay an extra 10 or 20 bucks if it comes down to it
Even I don’t get it. I mean a specific number of games can draw me into them, but with some of these franchises of games, I see no reason to buy the annual installment because they feel about the same, and yes, I’m talking about CoD or Battlefield. I only have one or two of either franchise.
Makes sense they bought Activision now, that'll be the only source of income for Xbox real soon.
One more thing that probably makes Digital sales more ideal for the companies is that it can also encourage customers to buy extended storage things for their consoles/PCs so they can have access to as many of their games at once as possible.
I love Game Pass, I used it for years and played literally hundreds of different games, from AAA to Indie, all for ‘free’ ($10 a month or whatever it was). I play on PC because I’m not a console casual, but Xbox, being owned by Microsoft, began to heavily integrate Xbox into Windows. Which I loved, I had been an Xbox player my whole life, I still have my original account from well over a decade ago. However, about a year ago, I was having so much trouble with the PC interface and how broken it is that I decided I’m just done with Xbox. They are literally owned by the same parent company but Xbox can’t figure out how to get their app working on Windows. Steam has no issues. Even Epic which I only use for RDR2 has never had any issues. You also can’t mod any of the games because they have some weird kind of proprietary folder structure specific to their launcher. Even games I fully purchased separate from Game Pass, I had no control over the actual game files. This pissed me off so much that I ended up buying the only game I actually cared about on Steam (Forza Horizon 5) and found a way to transfer all my save data. I then cancelled my subscription and I’m never paying for it again. Microsoft is a joke.
(As a side note, I don’t really mind the whole ‘everything is digital’ market. The real issue is the ‘licensing’ and not truly owning the game. That could still be accomplished with disks as well)
Sadly you can't escape the licensing in the "everything is digital" world.
The only way to truly own anything is to have some extra hard drives and exploring the seas.
Never trust a subscription service like Gamepass.
Microsoft just has so much money that they don’t care to make the Xbox as good as it could be. Literally they have Bethesda and the IPs that could sell amazingly. I’ll forgive Starfield but if Microsoft has any sense, they’ll get Bethesda in gear, make them make great games. But I doubt that’ll happen.
It’s no different than EA scraping the Dead Space 2 Remake after DS1 Remake did amazing. Make the games people want and you’ll reap the rewards, it’s not hard
Bethesda hasn't been great in almost 2 decades now. Their last good game was Skyrim.
Bethesda is just not meant to be this big developer.
I keep telling people that Bethesda is sleeping on a goldmine of potential TES spinoffs. It wouldn't be huge, but relative to its cost to produce, a TES game in the style of old point and clicks would do gangbusters, as you need a TINY team to make those, even well-polished ones - or if you want something big and eye-catching, give the license to ID and have them make a DOOM-style game starring Pelinal. THAT would go crazy.
It be real funny if later we find out that HiFi rush’s studio was not as profitable as it seemed. Like it had poor management or something.
I’m still playing games on my Okama Gamesphere.
I STILL get pissed when I remember the Xbone reveal. Yeah, they walked a lot of that stuff back, but the arrogance to think these were good ideas to begin with, and the utter CONTEMPT they showed during interviews when asked "what if we can't do (x) or (y)" was out-of-this-world insane!
I was so ready to give X-box a shot that generation, too. I'd been having fun with my Wii and my PS3 and my PSP, and I thought to myself "maybe I'll keep an eye on the Xbox games coming out this generation. If they have a good launch lineup I'll see about actually diving in and maybe spending more time with my x-box devoted friends." But then they unveiled THAT. I did a complete 180 and never looked back.
And it made the PS4 reveal so much fun, too. Watching Sony's spokesperson take jabs at Microsoft and keep twisting the knife was delicious!
The Codename for Xbox One was "Durango". That was a way better name.
The project name for the Xbox Series X/S was “Scarlet”
*For a decade, my newest console was a Wii U.*
Now I have a Switch, which I hope to play soon. Nintendo proper (not the Pokémon Company) makes quality games and focuses on little else. For that reason I trust them.
You ok that most of the switch games are not cartridges but downloaded codes?
@@whitehorsedown6499 It’s DVD/CD media now. And yes, I try to get physical copies where possible.
The Wii U was better than the Xbox One
@whitehorsedown6499 Nintendo games themselves are on the cartridges. And by the off chance that the game does need updates, they're never big and will take practically no space on the system.
@@coltonwilkie241 I'm not talking about updates most of switch games you want to buy physically you will not be able to buy they will be on an account that they can delete at any time. If you buy a physical copy it will come with a download code all you will have is a case. I've been trying to buy more cartridges for it and when I find a game it has the little warning label in the corner saying it's a download. It's one of switches biggest flaws. At least with previous Nintendo consoles even if the game was bad you still had a physical copy.
The biggest issue with the XBox 1 rollout was the connect was essentially a camera and the console needed constant Internet connection. It was unsettling.
I've had my Xbox for about 6 years I just dropped Game pass.
how brave 😔👊
Also PlayStation totally made fun of Microsoft, old school Sega style of when it came to lending games. It was funny.
Oh yeah, that whole tine period between the XBOne announcement up to the "Xbox 180" policy change was freaking wild(and beyond to be fair, but it wasn't as bad for Microsoft)
@@RipOffProductionsLLC I remember the video they released about sharing your games with friends.
XBox had just made a video or a ocmment in how you could do it, and it was a convoluted process.
With PS4? The video was someone with a physical copy handing it over to someone else.
That simple.
I've played since the second generation. I still have my original Colecovision and Atari 2600. So let me tell you youngsters some stories. 2013 is still recent history. When Mauler and the others get in their 50's then they can talk about real older history instead of just the last 15 years. I still remember when games were made by one dedicated person like Richard Garrett making Ultima 3 and not a bloated team of 500+people making crap like Starslop. I still don't do online and simply play games. That's it. But after all these years I'm done with modern games. I'll stop with the PS4 . There's nothing I care about playing now.
I remember getting the Halo Reach map pack that expanded the Invasion maps, but they never showed up in the vote; I can only assume that no one else had them.
Remember how fast the WiiU just died ? That was crazy
When Xbox announced that they were gonna make the Xbox One always online, that was, unironically, the *_FASTEST AND LARGEST_* fall from grace I can think of. Xbox 360 annihilated the PS3, they were flying high, the Xbox 360 era is just one of those eras in all forms of culture that just earns the, “You just had to be there,” level of prestige and nostalgia tbh. Words could not describe how much fun, how many hours, how many lifelong friendships the Xbox 360 built, how many sleepless nights and all-nighters were spent and especially old CoD (not really my game, but no denying it’s impact) and *HALO MOTHER FUCKING 3.* Seriously, Xbox 360 era was truly best explained by saying, “you just had to be there.” And they seriously killed all the momentum off of 360 *_AND_* any future possible momentum they had for the Xbox One, and tbh, they never recovered from that fall.
I know that Nintendo does have a “shield” from criticism, but I matured out of Nintendo and they didn’t. I haven’t owned a Nintendo since the cube and honestly I don’t miss it. It’s like your favorite band taking their music in a new direction and some love it, but others just want the hits.
37:51 Rags is wrong. I used the handle.
(going back and forth between college dorm and parent's home, and lending it to 2 other people)
Well that's a lie. Nintendo releases maybe 1 game worth 60 dollars every 15 months, sometimes longer. Just stop with that. Sony was releasing 3 to 5 games every year for 7 straight years until a couple years ago when they dried up. I love how people act like Nintendo is always releasing incredible stuff, but they can only make maybe 2 good games in the last two years
eeeeeh i kinda disagree with the first point. In 2022 nintendo released: Pokemon legends arceus, Kirby and the forgotten land, Xenoblade chronicles 3, splatoon 3, bayonetta 3 (not talking about the quality of these games but these are games people are going to buy.)
In 2023 nintendo released: The legend of zelda tears of the kingdom (great game) and Pikmin 4 (great game). theres also the bayonetta prequel and everbody 1-2-switch (but lets be honest no adults are playing those and i didnt either) 2023 was WEAK in terms of game release quantity but zelda and pikmin carried it.
Consoles lost alot of steam when you now need download the game just like PC, and now with exclusives going on PC, they’re is no reason to own a console.
Price point and accessibility/ease of use are huge reasons why people buy consoles. Normie/Casual stuff and normies make up the majority of the game market.
My fiancée will never play games on a PC. She will play the switch or a cat game on ps5 for hours though.
Most normies have a MacBook, not a gaming pc and can’t be bothered to learn specs.
Now I do agree with you they have lost some steam because PC gamers used to at least feel like they should buy a console as well, but not as much anymore. However really not too much. Xbox has lost a lot of steam. Nintendo and Sony are still doing fine. Gotta remember people were paying 1500 just to get a ps5 almost 2 years after release.
You don't need to download most console games at least on ps5 and Nintendo. They install from a disc but you can do that offline. I did it for stellar blade recently with my physical copy
@@JohnGoetzGaming If you downloaded it offline because of the “censorship” which wasn’t censorship. You should download the latest patch. They released the variants of the so called censored outfits. Proving that it was design choice and not censorship. Grummz and that whole controversy was so brain dead.
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Ah glad they backtracked
@@JohnGoetzGaming don’t think it was a backtrack per say…at least in the way I use the term.
Looks like the devs saw a bunch of customers didn’t like their new design and liked the old, so with their first major update they put the old designs in as a variant so everyone was happy. They weren’t forced to remove it like some ppl thought.
Backtracking has a negative connotation to it in the way I use it.
Pretty cool move imo.
XBOX 720 NO SCOPE
Meanwhile nintendo doing p4d specialist dance while kicking that 1 guy who just wanted to emulate a niche gba game in the balls
Hard to believe all of this happened less than 15 years ago. Feels much more recent. Maybe because little has changed
38:30 the foreshadowing from Mauler's reference here.
While I prefer the PS brand over the xbox brand (despite them also being idiots all the time) , I am a primarily PC player and I have been a big fan of what xbox had been doing with gamepass and PC releases, ect ... but it must be so frustrating for Xbox fans because it would be SO EASY for xbox to be the top, but it feels like every time they step in the right direction they chose to sidestep into a pile of dogshit. As much as I would like to see xbox have a big comeback, every time I see Phil talk about buying more places, trying to buy Nintendo and talks of buying Steam, I squirm at the idea
I have a decent time with the use of the DualShock PlayStation Controllers on my PC for playing PC games or emulators.
Dev loves to hear himself talk
Sony is still a MASSIVE company. They not only have the PlayStation. On the consumer side they still have Sony Pictures, Sony Music, Cameras, TVs, Audio equipment and accessories (including the Walkman), smartphones.
Then they have a massive business in camera sensors for smartphones (the sensors on the cameras on iPhones etc, are all Sony), and they also have banking in Japan. Yes. Banking.
The thing they did was sell the Vaio laptops (but they retain a share in the spin-off company that got the brand from them), and restructure their businesses to stop it being way too fragmented. Instead of having a ton of different divisions (one per business), they joined stuff like consumer products into one division, entertainment into another business, semiconductors and sensors into another.
But because they're Japanese, we're all pretty unaware of what they do day-to-day.
What a great stroll down memory lane.
Does anyone remember which episode they brought on a guy to debate shad on the battle of winterfell?
Either 64 or 65, Farewell Wolf stream. The guy they brought on was Remarkable Republican
Kinect had its OWN hardware when it was in development. The limits of Kinect were already shown on PS2 with EyeToy, and again on PS3 with PS Eye. (I know there was a camera on I think Dreamcast but idk if it had game use or not).
Camera only controls is so limited. So is just a waggle stick. Both work a bit better which is the way Sony went with it.
Sony also lost $200+ on every ps3 even at $600 that's why the Blu-ray players at the time were so much more expensive despite the high price tag.
I would also remind everyone ps3 started the whole monthly games sub thing. Ps3 version of Plus was not required for online gaming but you subbed for 2 games a month which is probably more sustainable
Nintendo has won again.
Nintendo and Sony are doing fine. Pretty much Sony needs to get their budgets in order but they're selling just as well as ever
I get the desire for physical media, but for me personally, other than books, I could care less about owning a physical game. I have a ps5 with a disc drive but all my games I now buy on digital. Sure I cant resell a game if I dont like it but I buy so few games as is that im willing to take the risk of not loving something. I always just wait for reviews before buying a new game anyway.
The main reason why Ill only read physical books on the other hand is because reading a physical book is a different experience than digital. And its one I greatly prefer.
the naming convention for Xbox were enlightened by the great Terrance Howard
Good, MS needs to get out of gaming
Hopefully Sony is right behind them
You could always leave. That will feel the same, subjectively.
Sony's good. Them and Nintendo sell on exclusives and have actually added games to the industry rather than simply buy already huge gaming ips
Then who’s going to replace them?
@@JohnGoetzGamingyou’re hilarious
@@TheBlackAdder1964
Sega comeback time!
Nah but Nintendo is already uncontested in handhelds so whatever
I think one of the crazy things is if you go back to the PS4 announcement, it also would have included the ps4 camera. They just gut it to undercut the xbox one by $100 12:48
Basically, the Kinect costed people an extra 100 bucks. 100 extra for something you don't want, something they insisted they couldn't remove.
I was never an Xbox person. It was just impossible for me to get past those awful controllers. Despite all that, the company as an entity absolutely does NOT deserve the piss poor management that has driven that brand into the muck...
Above all, the games will never truly be yours to own. It’s in the ether of the Internet that could removed/ changed at any time
Xbox died with the One
I'm happy that people still buy physically on ps5 and switch.
I'm also happy that nintendo and Sony actually make new ips and bring new stuff to gaming rather than target big ip and buy them
What's the new thing Sony brought?
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Their original IPS, 2 joysticks and 4 shoulder buttons with handles on the controller that's been pretty copied since then, ps+ starting the whole monthly giveaway of games without making it a focus or needed like Gamepass, having more than one media thing on a console with CD and DVD and Blu-ray, their 3d sound system they made for ps5, they're heavily invested in VR, they did cross play before switch, first big motion gaming thing with eyetoy
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The modern controller with 2 joysticks, 4 shoulder buttons, the handles
All their new IPs
Consoles also playing movies and such
CD games to mainstream and successful paving the way for games like ff7 to work on console
Hi Wolf!
I've had a ps4 for at least 5 years and now I had to ask myself, if I ever saw the ps4 logo while booting it up.
Project Natal was thr biggest scam of the 2010s.
XBone tried to be PC but worse...
Console solo' must be crazy.
Hey! Xbox is still around and it still has a fanbase. Have you even seen the subreddit communities?
Naw, I would pay 1000 dollars fore Half Life 3. Straight up. No questions.
Anyone still playing their OG Xbox?
vrchat is just discord with three-dimensional FaceTime with optional games you can play
It's an updated Second Life with all of the same problems
It's just Roblox but with a lot more hoops to jump through.
Xbox Live had fewer dedicated servers for its exclusives than PSN 🥴
Shall we even mention Microsoft Recall?
lol, console market been dying for a decade. MS got ahead of the curve and is expected to be the top earner this year for the first time ever. No exclusives, lowest selling console, highest earner.
xbox 365 lmfao
I honestly don't think xbox is dying quite yet. Given that they have sold between twenty-seven and twenty-nine million units, it is not indicative of a dead brand. I've been playing video games for 36 years. And I have seen consoles and brands die. With that said, though, if they continue to make bad decisions and do not change course, then in a few years' time, things could be very different. We're at the point right now where I think these next few years Are going to be the make it or break it time.
When Xbox and Playstation die because they tried to out-PC the PC, Nintendo will still be there with their funky creative consoles. There's a reason that Nintendo has been around for over 120 years. Microsoft and Sony are babies compared to Nintendo and those two companies should have some humility.
Yeah, even though they're never "the winner" in the last gens, they're the ones I think the least ill of.
Mostly because I don't care about some tournaments and I can at least understand the piracy issue.
PlayStation and Nintendo just sell on exclusives though yeah PlayStation needs to stop releasing on PC.
Small correction. You need to mod your Wii U to play GameCube Games
Microsoft Making It Hard To Be An Xbox Fan How They Keep Botching Up Their Exclusive Games At Least Most Of The Playstation Exclusives Are Good And Decent...😮💨😒
I want Sega to buy Xbox and release the Dreamcast 2
virgin Extra Credits vs chad NыNTENDO SHIT K'OOB!