Haha :D , I take that as a compliment :) I hope you like how it turned out! You sure a right, I am still developing my own style and I was/I am kind of in between chairs... Stay tuned! There is more to come :)
Thank you so much for sharing your compositions, especially with the score so we can see what's going on as well as hear it. Your work is truly inspiring
You really know how to make EWQLSO sing. Knowing how this library's articulations are set up, it must have taken you a good bit of time to make it sound this organic. Nice work!
Dont be! :) Art creates art! I'm sure you'll be inspired to work even harder on youre own music (in case youre making youre own music) when I hear common soundtracks, I feel the same.
I always revisit your channel to see 'how it's done' right with virtual instruments. I like how you display the midi notes in this video. I do however miss the artwork in the background. Any chance you could do what Ashton Gleckman does with showing the midi notes 'over' a cool background image in your next composition? Love you work, big fan here, keep going!
I have made a few tracks with EWQL and I can't get anywhere near this sound quality. You should be making tutorials! You could be like seamlessr, but for EW instruments and composition.
Hey Tobias, AMAZING work! I stumbled upon your channel when looking for realistic orchestral plugins for Ableton. I'm curious, how do you start your compositions? Do you have another program you write all of this down in and then create it in cubase? Or do you wing it and do all your composition as you go along in cubase? I would LOVE to see a tutorial of you just going through some of your thought processes when creating your tracks. Or possibly just starting a layout for a new track could be pretty interesting to watch too! These tracks are really inspiring for me and I can't wait to get my hands on EastWest to start building the pieces that are floating in my head. Thanks so much for the motivation!
thank you very much for your kind words :) all of my compositions start on the piano! sometimes the whole piece is written there but most of the time i'm only doing rough sketches of the pieces and orchestrate it than in cubase. a lot of you guys are demanding tutorials but i dont have the equipment needed for a proper tutorial with a piano-cam and stuff... but im working on it! :) I'm glad a can be a motivation for you!
the advice i give everyone asking me is to study great filmcomposers like J. Williams and John Powell or any other composer that uses the classical orchestra! just listen to a lot of pieces and examine them very carefully! I started off covering pieces and doing mockups of existing pieces! That way you learn how all the different instruments are used and what they are capable of! You really need to get to know the orchestra. Of course it is also important to have some kind of musical education! If you can play instruments yourself and are able to reed sheetmusic it is way easier to actually understand how music "works" and how your orchestrating makes sense! I am a brassplayer for example and every time i write stuff for the trumpet section i think about me playing it or whether the notes i wrote are playable for the trumpet or not! Some things just sound wrong or strange because it is not written the way the instrument would play it in real live. It is also very important to know certain things about harmonics and chords! A lot of good youtube videos offer great opportunitys to learn this stuff :)
Tobias Scheel Thanks alot for your gopd advise! :) So I will go exactly the way you're proposing and start to "compose" mockups of pieces already done. My way is mostly "by ear". I do play the Ukulele and bit Piano. I can also understand sheet music but not read and play without hickups. Well, music theory is a very interesting topic and I'm learning alot about it at the moment. As a software developer, I would love to write tools that help to compose music too. With some music theory background, I can already imagine some algorithms that can "generate" chord structures/progressions that will "sound good". Or answer questions like: What chord will sound good following X... or what note added to this chord will make my chord sound more sad/happy etc. Playing around with that kind of stuff might not make me a better composer.... but its a fun way to motivate myself to learn all the theory :D
you are very welcome :) although i think your approach to the composingprocess using an app or a software is not the right way... music should come from the heart and from the soul! this is the reason why williams and although zimmers music is so good! the melodies or, regarding hans zimmer especially, the chord progressions are most of the times very simple and " well known" but this is not what makes their music so great. for example williams did say about the indiana jones theme, that it is very simple but it took him weeks and weeks to create the overall feeling of the soundtrack. the problem was not writing the notes or the chords in general, but it was very difficult to work with theses few notes. simple, yet elegant. he managed to modulate the theme through out the movies and made it an iconic sound. in my opinion you can not just let a computer or a software do the work because it doesent actually know if the result sounds good to a human ear or suits a certain atmosphere! Sure, in terms of music theory it would certainly help but zimmer and williams very often break the "rules" of music theory. thats probably why there music is so unique. But i get your intention! as i said, it could be a good help for beginners but the way i see it, music is one of the genuine aspects that apartes us from all other known living beings. Creating music is not for everyone, same goes for sports or other arts. not everyone is designated to be a composer, so why force it :) im trying to say, if you really want to be a musician and a composer, you need to study, train and finally become a good musican. if one is not willing to pursue this rocky way, one should do something else, because clearly, you are lacking passion. you are a good example of how to approach the art of music because you said you are willing to spend A LOT of time on it and thats very important! Except if youre a genuis of course :) and as long as your clever idea helps you to find motivation, its all fine and of course this is just my opinion! good luck with your progress! :)
Wow. Excellent work! How difficult was it to integrate EWQL to Cubase? I'm just now getting back into writing original compositions. Somehow I made it work in 2008 with a cheap Compaq computer and Reason! Haha. Keep up the good work!
Incredible. How do you get EWQL Gold to sound so well balanced and smooth? (Do you play with the original ADSR envelope of each instrument? I always think they have too much punch and can't never adjust it properly) by the way, East West guys themselves can't get even close to this realism... just compare to their official demos. Concrats, Tobias.
Neptunian Fly hey there! I don't know what ADSR envelope means sry!😂 I think the "Secret" is to pay attention to the Instruments and how they interact with each other in real live! The Flute often doubels the strings for more Color and deph e.g. But You wont Hear it very much! It's just for Color! In reallive when there are 20 violins playing You would not Hear the flute either! And those pairs can be build with a lot of Instruments! Cello and Bassoon (again, Bassoon only for Color) Trumpet and Oboe, or, piccolo + flute + strings Clarinett and Cello/viola ... the Winds are supposed to be the most "quiet" Instrumentfamily, while the brasssection is the loudest. Some say ff strings should never be louder than ff Horns! And so on! Symphonic orchestra Gold Provides a lot of neat articulations You can use!
hmm, i guess my advice is to listen to composers which compose in this kind of style and learn from it! you can examine the pieces every closely and get an idea about how to do certain things.
I'm extraordinarily curious- what reverb do you use? Is it the one built into EWQLSO (if so, which impulse(s) do you prefer?) or do you use a separate reverb like East West's "Spaces"? I've been struggling with getting a good reverb for a while now and the sense of "space" in your pieces is profound, as well as the sound of your instruments. Speaking of which, do you have the version of Gold that has the "Close" mic position? If so- do you use it very much? Or do you just stick with the "Stage" mic position?
TheShadyOrchestra hello! I use the reverb provided by EWQLSOG! But not on all Instruments! Thats how there is so much "Space"! I also only use the standart stage Position and im not able zu change mic positions. Hope i Coups help!
Thank you very much! That's interesting actually- very insightful as well! How do you choose which instruments to apply reverb to and which do you tend to leave alone? Do you use the default reverb "EW Hall LR" or do you choose others from the selection they provide (Like the "Scoring Stages" or "Hollywood Halls")?
TheShadyOrchestra it depends on the orchestration but mostly i use reverb on brass! I tent not to use reverb on the winds but as i said i really depends! :) Yes, i always use the Ew Hall LR :) sometimes i reduse the Volume of the reverb to make more Space.
Yeah, a lot of mixing in music in context-specific- I should've figured but thank you very much, I definitely appreciate it loads. Getting good reverb in mixes was one of my utmost challenges. Cheers though! I subscribed as well. I look forward to listening to your future pieces. I enjoy greatly this style of music. ^^
thank you! Im glad you like my music! :) and also glad i could help! Im sure you will find a way to achieve your ultimate reverb mix! :D There will definetely coming more pieces.
![EPIC Orchestral Soundtrack in Hans Zimmer Style [Screencast] - Original Composition - East West Gold](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/BqhDkYpT6vk/mqdefault.jpg)
It's Really Nice!!! It does sound like Danny Elfman sounds - like a Spider-Man or something. 😀
Solid work here.
Right between Elfman and the original trilogy of Star Wars for the first 40 seconds :D
Haha :D , I take that as a compliment :) I hope you like how it turned out! You sure a right, I am still developing my own style and I was/I am kind of in between chairs... Stay tuned! There is more to come :)
It is about superhero! O_O
Your work is inspiring! Thank you
Junge sehr lit!
thxx :) make sure to listen to my other pieces as well! O:)
Thank you so much for sharing your compositions, especially with the score so we can see what's going on as well as hear it. Your work is truly inspiring
thank you very much! I'm glad you like my work :)
Absolutely love your music. Seriously, you're such an inspiration!
thank you! I appreciate it! :)
You have talent to be the next Randy Elfman
Andi Tarigan thank you! I think you meant danny elfman? 😇
@@TobiWobi7 Yes that's what I meant haha
What a fantastic score!!! Glad I found your music!! Rix :)
Glad you like my music! :)
That’s amazing! It sounds so unique. I’m going to try to do some sort of analysis of that because I love that sound.
Now this is what I like. I'm getting tired of all those Epic cinematic trailer in-your-face-timpani's music sound tracks :). Thanks for sharing!
thank you! And you are welcome! :D
You really know how to make EWQLSO sing. Knowing how this library's articulations are set up, it must have taken you a good bit of time to make it sound this organic. Nice work!
thank you! Yes, it took some years to get to know this library but i had a lot of fun with it from the first day on! :)
You're really something special
thank you very much!
Cool. ! :)
1:20 wow i really like it
I'm jealous
Dont be! :) Art creates art! I'm sure you'll be inspired to work even harder on youre own music (in case youre making youre own music) when I hear common soundtracks, I feel the same.
I always revisit your channel to see 'how it's done' right with virtual instruments. I like how you display the midi notes in this video. I do however miss the artwork in the background. Any chance you could do what Ashton Gleckman does with showing the midi notes 'over' a cool background image in your next composition? Love you work, big fan here, keep going!
Thank you for the Kind words!
I am still looking for the best videolayout, so I try different approaches and See what you guys like better!
I have made a few tracks with EWQL and I can't get anywhere near this sound quality. You should be making tutorials! You could be like seamlessr, but for EW instruments and composition.
i listend to your latest compositions and you are on a good way! Try getting more into orchestration :)
Hey Tobias, AMAZING work! I stumbled upon your channel when looking for realistic orchestral plugins for Ableton. I'm curious, how do you start your compositions? Do you have another program you write all of this down in and then create it in cubase? Or do you wing it and do all your composition as you go along in cubase?
I would LOVE to see a tutorial of you just going through some of your thought processes when creating your tracks. Or possibly just starting a layout for a new track could be pretty interesting to watch too!
These tracks are really inspiring for me and I can't wait to get my hands on EastWest to start building the pieces that are floating in my head. Thanks so much for the motivation!
thank you very much for your kind words :)
all of my compositions start on the piano! sometimes the whole piece is written there but most of the time i'm only doing rough sketches of the pieces and orchestrate it than in cubase.
a lot of you guys are demanding tutorials but i dont have the equipment needed for a proper tutorial with a piano-cam and stuff... but im working on it! :)
I'm glad a can be a motivation for you!
Incredible.. could you give me a few suggestions on how to learn to compose like this? I'm willing to spend a lot of time on it :)
the advice i give everyone asking me is to study great filmcomposers like J. Williams and John Powell or any other composer that uses the classical orchestra! just listen to a lot of pieces and examine them very carefully! I started off covering pieces and doing mockups of existing pieces! That way you learn how all the different instruments are used and what they are capable of! You really need to get to know the orchestra. Of course it is also important to have some kind of musical education! If you can play instruments yourself and are able to reed sheetmusic it is way easier to actually understand how music "works" and how your orchestrating makes sense! I am a brassplayer for example and every time i write stuff for the trumpet section i think about me playing it or whether the notes i wrote are playable for the trumpet or not! Some things just sound wrong or strange because it is not written the way the instrument would play it in real live. It is also very important to know certain things about harmonics and chords! A lot of good youtube videos offer great opportunitys to learn this stuff :)
Tobias Scheel Thanks alot for your gopd advise! :) So I will go exactly the way you're proposing and start to "compose" mockups of pieces already done. My way is mostly "by ear". I do play the Ukulele and bit Piano. I can also understand sheet music but not read and play without hickups. Well, music theory is a very interesting topic and I'm learning alot about it at the moment. As a software developer, I would love to write tools that help to compose music too. With some music theory background, I can already imagine some algorithms that can "generate" chord structures/progressions that will "sound good". Or answer questions like: What chord will sound good following X... or what note added to this chord will make my chord sound more sad/happy etc. Playing around with that kind of stuff might not make me a better composer.... but its a fun way to motivate myself to learn all the theory :D
you are very welcome :)
although i think your approach to the composingprocess using an app or a software is not the right way... music should come from the heart and from the soul! this is the reason why williams and although zimmers music is so good! the melodies or, regarding hans zimmer especially, the chord progressions are most of the times very simple and " well known" but this is not what makes their music so great. for example williams did say about the indiana jones theme, that it is very simple but it took him weeks and weeks to create the overall feeling of the soundtrack. the problem was not writing the notes or the chords in general, but it was very difficult to work with theses few notes. simple, yet elegant. he managed to modulate the theme through out the movies and made it an iconic sound. in my opinion you can not just let a computer or a software do the work because it doesent actually know if the result sounds good to a human ear or suits a certain atmosphere! Sure, in terms of music theory it would certainly help but zimmer and williams very often break the "rules" of music theory. thats probably why there music is so unique.
But i get your intention! as i said, it could be a good help for beginners but the way i see it, music is one of the genuine aspects that apartes us from all other known living beings. Creating music is not for everyone, same goes for sports or other arts. not everyone is designated to be a composer, so why force it :)
im trying to say, if you really want to be a musician and a composer, you need to study, train and finally become a good musican. if one is not willing to pursue this rocky way, one should do something else, because clearly, you are lacking passion.
you are a good example of how to approach the art of music because you said you are willing to spend A LOT of time on it and thats very important! Except if youre a genuis of course :) and as long as your clever idea helps you to find motivation, its all fine and of course this is just my opinion! good luck with your progress! :)
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Wow. Excellent work! How difficult was it to integrate EWQL to Cubase?
I'm just now getting back into writing original compositions. Somehow I made it work in 2008 with a cheap Compaq computer and Reason! Haha. Keep up the good work!
thank you! Its not difficult at all! :)
Incredible. How do you get EWQL Gold to sound so well balanced and smooth? (Do you play with the original ADSR envelope of each instrument? I always think they have too much punch and can't never adjust it properly) by the way, East West guys themselves can't get even close to this realism... just compare to their official demos. Concrats, Tobias.
Neptunian Fly hey there! I don't know what ADSR envelope means sry!😂
I think the "Secret" is to pay attention to the Instruments and how they interact with each other in real live! The Flute often doubels the strings for more Color and deph e.g. But You wont Hear it very much! It's just for Color! In reallive when there are 20 violins playing You would not Hear the flute either! And those pairs can be build with a lot of Instruments! Cello and Bassoon (again, Bassoon only for Color)
Trumpet and Oboe, or, piccolo + flute + strings
Clarinett and Cello/viola ... the Winds are supposed to be the most "quiet" Instrumentfamily, while the brasssection is the loudest. Some say ff strings should never be louder than ff Horns! And so on! Symphonic orchestra Gold Provides a lot of neat articulations You can use!
Do you have any tips for writing in this kind of style? Its very distinctive from some other orchestral styles.
hmm, i guess my advice is to listen to composers which compose in this kind of style and learn from it! you can examine the pieces every closely and get an idea about how to do certain things.
Oh and nice work btw!
Tobias Scheel can you give names of some artists doing that style pls?
try listening to Dany Elfman! I also really like John Powell :)
Tobias Scheel thanks a lot! :)
I'm extraordinarily curious- what reverb do you use? Is it the one built into EWQLSO (if so, which impulse(s) do you prefer?) or do you use a separate reverb like East West's "Spaces"? I've been struggling with getting a good reverb for a while now and the sense of "space" in your pieces is profound, as well as the sound of your instruments.
Speaking of which, do you have the version of Gold that has the "Close" mic position? If so- do you use it very much? Or do you just stick with the "Stage" mic position?
TheShadyOrchestra hello! I use the reverb provided by EWQLSOG! But not on all Instruments! Thats how there is so much "Space"!
I also only use the standart stage Position and im not able zu change mic positions.
Hope i Coups help!
Thank you very much! That's interesting actually- very insightful as well! How do you choose which instruments to apply reverb to and which do you tend to leave alone? Do you use the default reverb "EW Hall LR" or do you choose others from the selection they provide (Like the "Scoring Stages" or "Hollywood Halls")?
TheShadyOrchestra it depends on the orchestration but mostly i use reverb on brass! I tent not to use reverb on the winds but as i said i really depends! :)
Yes, i always use the Ew Hall LR :) sometimes i reduse the Volume of the reverb to make more Space.
Yeah, a lot of mixing in music in context-specific- I should've figured but thank you very much, I definitely appreciate it loads. Getting good reverb in mixes was one of my utmost challenges.
Cheers though! I subscribed as well. I look forward to listening to your future pieces. I enjoy greatly this style of music. ^^
thank you! Im glad you like my music! :) and also glad i could help! Im sure you will find a way to achieve your ultimate reverb mix! :D
There will definetely coming more pieces.
Hi! What's the name of instrument playing the intro melody? The high pitched one (starts the same with strings at background)
the one right in the beginning? This is a Celeste!
Tobias Scheel great! Is it included in ewql?
of course it is! It provides everything you need :)
Tobias Scheel I can't seem to find in mine. I use platinum
go to "percussion" and then woods!
Aus welchem Bundesland kommst du, Tobi?
Good old NRW!