M948 308 SLAP VS XSAPI and Adept Colossus Ceramic plates
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no i dont think i will
Hey, I have a request.
Can you please compare the South-African military's firearms with their US military "equivalent"(firearms with the same purpose).
(I don't want to say "standard-issue rifle(s)", because I would greatly appreciate it if you were to compare all the firearms that you could get your hands on.)
@@Someone-vp5kg I'll put it on the list but they're a low priority
@@Oxide_does_his_bestthanks dude!
Tbh I don't really care where it is on the list, as long as it's on there.
SMKH*
H is for the tungsten designation. SMK is steel core.
A plate stopping a 308 SLAP at 15 feet shows how far body armor has come since Flack Jackets
I really don't think it's realistic to have a small arms that can reliably penetrate body armour plates in an infantry rifle size weapon. Maybe if you had a bullpup with a longer barrel and a really high velocity calibre but even then it wouldn't be long before they made some new armour that would stop that as well.
@@Punisher9419just gotta get better at training and get headshots & pelvis/abdomen shots to try to hit the spine.
@@Punisher9419of course it is, you think anyone in the world is actually wearing these autistic ass plates?
@@Punisher9419 Give the fact that hits in combat are evenly distributed across the body and a hit to the extremities is still very likely to produce a causality, I think armor improvements make small arms *less lethal*, but not necessarily less effective. There is vast amounts of evidence to show that small arms are basically the least important weapons on the battlefield.
@@Poxyquotlsurvivorship bias as per usual. If you can’t appreciate the massive survivability increase covering the largest part of your body in which a rifle impact is almost 100% lethal, then you’re looking at things wrong
That's some nice SLAP you have. I have some late 90s SLAP that came from Chris Kyle. The gentlemen who sent it to me, got it from Chris during a shooting from elevation class. At least that's how the story goes (accompanied with pictures of the guy and Chris Kyle)..
Sadly these appear to be some of the “fake” SLAP rounds that are commonly going around. Good copies but no way that is a tungsten penetrator but just hardened steel. Also the plastic sabot casing is not made from the correct material.
SOURCE: Have both real and copied SLAP rounds
@@jackmeowmeowmeow2177 perhaps you can send Oxide and I pics so we can identify real from fake
@@jackmeowmeowmeow2177 Is the penetrator actual tungsten or sintered tungsten carbide? If plain tungsten, a magnet could be used to differentiate between it and steel.
I think there is something to be said for a kevlar insert beneath the plate. I don't know if that's still the standard configuration, as I finished my time when most of us were wearing the Interceptors and still colloquially referred to them as "flak jackets," with the combination of the helmet and body armor similarly being referred to as your "flak and kevlar." This was around the time when they were first trialing the MTVs and the Scalable Plate Carriers, which most of us simply referred to as "plate carriers" as a way to differentiate them from the Interceptor.
The kevlar insert seems to be common sense, though. Any round that manages to penetrate the plate can be slowed down enough to be caught by the kevlar. Additionally, it can still offer a level of protection if someone has been hit enough times that the plate is now compromised, although this is admittedly an unlikely situation and means that you probably have much bigger problems to deal with.
All legacy ESAPI, XSAPI and SAPI style plates require Kevlar. But most modern plates and very recently new SAPIs do not require them. I'd want to have kevlar everywhere anyway though
A god 3A plate backer would do you good
Gets so damn hot though with just a PC alone
Interesting that Winchester found that their sub-caliber munitions reduced dispersion. Cursory research I had done previously indicated the opposite. Depends on your point of reference, though, I guess.
You'd figure with less air resistance you could make the projectile juuuuuust right and not need fins
@@Oxide_does_his_best Where's the chinese armor test years ago?
@@jamesedwardladislazerrudo1378 I can’t clarify if the plates are PLA or not
@@Oxide_does_his_best shitload about on wish uh..so the PLA officials don't want to released it yet
Yeah but sabots are inherently inaccurate. I think they accomplished something wrong perhaps???
Just think how sabot rounds would shame up strait wall cartridges??? Suddenly .400 legend shoots a 150 grain .357” bullet at greater velocity and sectional density for a given weight? This could mean near .308 trajectory and the whole thing redundant to an extent…
I am so early i was flashbacked back in time to MSW-montage-era oxhyde
Those were the the days…
There will be a new montage out probably next week. It will be the best milsim video I've done so far. But it isn't MSW. I probably won't make any more MSW videos, I will go to cooler events instead
omg yeah, good times
@@Oxide_does_his_bestsoviet reenactment ?
@@Oxide_does_his_bestDon't think im complaining about ballistics-era oxhyde either, i like both hehe
Love this, I imagine you taking months of your personal time to research and avoid redundancy / overlap. Just to give us easily digestible videos, whether we view them for reference or just plain ol' fun and entertainment.
This will be useful for the 1000 years of Hog Boarfare
Some may fault you for hitting it with the 993 first, but honestly, given how well the x-sapis and esapis perform with multiple hits, I doubt that would have made a difference. Personally I am curious what powder they are using for this to drive it to 4kfps, you wouldn't have happened to take some macros would you?
As for the NTS screw-ups, it seems that's not too uncommon, allegedly they improperly marked an rma plate as having failed, and it's been delisted.
I could examine it but I think that Winchester has actual data on it somewhere. Its still modern ammo. I'm 100% sure the xsapi would fail even if it was intact. But yeah I kinda broke form not hitting it with SLAP first. I know better! Good note about NTS too. I need to comment about it more.
@@Oxide_does_his_best you're right I actually found the powder, WC 827, in BALL-POWDER-Propellants_v2.pdf, looks like its not used in any other loading though
Can not wait for your test of their steel helmet. Also holding out hope for a test of one of their matis plates. Those just seem like a cool concept.
Have been waiting for this comparison
This just made my day I needed one of your videos in my life
I’ve seen photographic results of Failed Vietnam flack vest. It’s amazing how much armor has advanced.
that last little snippet looks like such a good video, love the music
Can't wait for you to test up Adept's steel helmet. I really want to know what it can actually do compared to the crap "762x39" rated UMWPE helmets.
Ready or not music go hard
SLAP SLAP SLAP SLAP
GET PENETRATED GET PENETRATED GET PENETRATED GET PENETRATED
That ad transition made me legitimately happy, the fact that it was relevant to the video made me okay with listening to the WoT supplied script
That is pretty cool. I wonder what distance the slap round won’t penetrate the armor anymore. But also I wonder why I haven’t seen anyone strap armor to a ballistic dummy to see what happens after different rounds penetrate various armors.
Always love it when you upload👍
Collecting even just one round having all that kinetic energy dumped in one place is gonna hurt like hell
Good to see you back man
Why the pfp change?
0:03 Looks so effing mean Av Av ☺
Babe wake up, new Oxide upload
I love the music choices
I recently played with 85gr extreme cavitator loaded into a 308 case. It punched through 3/8 AR500 plate like it was make of cardboard.
What was the cost on these rounds like? I mean, back when they were actually being produced.
Oxide how do you get ahold of tungsten penetrating ammo? I can't find the ammo anywhere!
This Canadian kit tasted funny
Really interesting video once again. Keep up the awesome content and wish I could work with yall lol. Also nice m40a3 build.
Realistically, most people are not going to be getting shot at by a SLAP at 15 feet. It's gonna have a chance to lose some velocity, energy, over say... 3 - 400 yards or more.
I was using the 7.62 out of the m240b titanium and never had a jam I loved using it but reserved it for enemies with body armor and vehicles
Is that variant designated the M240L?
@AnonEMus-cp2mn I believe so mine didn't even make it 24 hours I just cleaned the packing grease the day prior then I got into a huge firefight front sight post got shot off and the muzzle got hit 3 more times but I had already ran out of 7.62 lol barrel never got red blew mind best machine gun I ever got to use I wish I could own one
@@venivinivinci The upgraded Bar gun
I find it rather amusing how many youtubers still compare the ap ammo with 8mm Mauser S.m.K ammo. Tho i do wonder how S.m.K. H would be, british tests showed 19mm at 100yards from the shorter K98 barrle (if i remember correct) so a slight increase from the longer Mg 34/42 barrle (which it was also fired from) should be expected. But i dont know if any S.m.K. H ammo is still around to this day. I just known of some documents.
While normal S.m.K. was rated to be 14,25 mm (or a bit more) at 100 yards by the british (iirc)
Would you recommend adept armor with what you know so far?
Interesting stuff that's for sure. I would caution you against shooting at metal backstops that have any sort of 'corner' in them. Shooting at the steel wheel end on can result in a nasty 'reflection', similar to a billiard ball bouncing off a corner of a pool table. Other targets to avoid are concrete basement corners, old toilet bowls and railroad rails from the side; don't ask how I know.
Oxide treats us to another video, how nice :)
I saw the word slap and instantly thought of kentucky ballistics, this an awesome video though.
why he didn't mentioned him?
@@lukakakabadze8383 he had a really bad accident a year or 2 ago where a 50 cal slap round made his rifle explode
Funny i used to watch you for your war thunder vids and now i watch you for your gun content.
SmKH is what penetrated Buffman's Adept Colossus. Normal SMK is hardened steel like M2AP.
Yeah, great that you can get plates to stop some pretty savage rounds however I question whether that's as great as it sounds - what's worse, getting taken out cleanly with 1 shot or ending up just as dead due to massive internal organ damage and internal bleeding as the body absorbs all the energy from the round being displaced through the armour?
thanks for the vids hey are very interesting
Welcome back
Humans are crazy. One person devotes their life to developing a product that will stop bullets and save lives. A second person then does the same, but for a round that will defeat said armor.
Please check your audio levels. Putting the speaking on proper audible levels puts the shooting audio to deafening levels. Otherwise entertaining video
I get this comment a lot, but I test the volume on multiple devices. CZcams actually reduces the volume a ton as well. It sounds great on my phone and headphones
I think at this point in small arms and armor development, Armor has officially caught up with bullet tech. We're gonna need something going significantly faster to penetrate modern ceramic/carbide plates. Railguns anyone?
The ammunition and armor systems to stop them are still not inexpensive enough for the average soldier to field them though. The plates are also still very thick and heavy to carry. Theres still room for improvements.
Yeah they are you can get china plates for a 100 bucks that will stop 3 shots of 7.62 nato
We probably move on to rod munition and smoothbore?
@jintsuubest9331
Smoothbore 15mm - 20mm DMRs with long tungsten rod penetrators. Every rifle will come with an advanced optic that will be essentially a miniaturized tank FCS that will near-guarantee a hit on a sprinting human from 1.5km away.
How far we are from that future though I don't know, but one day it will be the standard.
True story, having very pointed bullets hurts weapon feeding and can easily deflect a round to go sideways into a material. This is why so many rounds are blunted and round instead. They feed better and hit more flat against their intended material.
bro needs some new cadpat tw pants lol
Next video 50bmg slap???
Hi!! Very interesting!!!!! Hope all is well with you!!!😊
Where do you get this stuff
Nice one 👍
Hope the Soviet display still has good stuff if you got to visit the southern flight museum
Go, they have a great Hind display
Its a slap round…. Did you have your emergency thumb near by to stop any bleeding?
where do you get your guns
I wonder if SLAP rounds would improve if shot out of a smoothbore barrel instead of a rifled one. Similar to how most modern MDT’s use smoothbores in order to shoot Sabot rounds.
A way to get a more effective penetrator is to make it thinner and longer, that way you focus more kinetic energy at a smaller point. That's what the tank darts do. Older APDS tank ammunition looks almost exactly like these SLAP rounds.
The reason why modern tank rounds are shot out of smooth bore guns is that spin stabilization (from rifling) doesn't work well on thin long projectiles, so they make them fin stabilized instead.
@@ninethirtyone4264
Rotation makes rods break when they hit a target, that's the main reason why we moved away from rifled barrels. The rifling also decreases velocity.
This video slaps.
You need some volume balance on your outro lol
I desperately want that LZSH helmet bro
Gentleman, this day has been blessed by another oxide post
outro is a little too loud, but great vid all around.
Have quick question do the same test for 500 metre distance.not 3 metre
No
didn't demo ranch have these same plates in a very recent video, and got to the conclusion that they don't withstand multiple hits?
Well… they do.
they do. it's just that no plate getting hit in the same exact spot 5 times over is gonna survive. you can probably hit it with 20 rounds of 5.56 spread around the plate
The Adept plate that Demolition Ranch was testing was the Adept Colossus Heavy.
Which was just a prototype plate.
Buffman Range also tested the Adept Colossus Heavy and it performed well.
Buffman also tested the Adept Colossus that was in this video, which had great results aswell
RIP the old oxide picture ✊😔
test 7.62x25mm type P-41 armor piercing incendiary bullet
No!
Lmao you can be shooting tungsten carbide sabots at lvl 4+ armor and the backer STILL catches it
Exapunks are more deadly than bullets
Can you get your hands on some 5.45 7N24 "super-armor-piercing" cartridge (introduced in 1999, has a stub cone nosed penetrator made of tungsten carbide (hard alloy VK8) ) and/or 7N39 armor-piercing cartridge (introduced in 2013, has a penetrator made of a tungsten carbide (92%) and cobalt (8%) alloy) ???
Would love to see these performe!
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Ooh. I like this...
Ok I’m sure you can find certain ammo using a longer Barrel to penetrate anything,,, for most civilians they are going to be dealing with 14.5-20 inch barrels with store shelf ammunition…
what you put behind the plate surely has a big role in absorbing the projectile energy and stopping the bullets right? like say if you put the plate up agaisnt something hard and heavy it cant move back a little bit as it would when say a person would wear one. i hope this makes somewhat sense
It could've effected the result but considering the lab results were nearly the same I don't think so in this case.
@@Oxide_does_his_best in no way I meant my comment with any bad intentions I was just exploring an idea that you guys possible could experiment with (targets that have give not actual people wearing the target plates😂)
@@percival5771 If I thought it mattered I would use a clay backer more often
@@Oxide_does_his_best thing is whatever makes you create content easier without burning up all of you time is the way to go anyway. We get the privilege to enjoy the videos
Besides it’s not like your testing setup has zero application so you’re all good
I wonder how a SLAP projectile using a Depleted Uranium penetrator would perform? Seems potentially promising given these results unless the material composition has some issues with clambering and firing the round or something...
Yeah a more complete or robust sabot would be better like in duds
+@@Oxide_does_his_best+ Hehe, Gives me the idea of using DUDS rounds out of an ETC rifle; it would probably have an utterly insane muzzle velocity, maybe around Mach 8.
When is the PLA armor test?
I can’t verify that they’re actual PLA plates I tested so I’m holding off
ok that makes sense, are you going to make more loadout video any time soon? love that seriese@@Oxide_does_his_best
@@kumakuma3335 yes probably one out in the Fall
noice!@@Oxide_does_his_best
M993 for 7.62x51 is the way to go, MAI AP for 7.62x39 is the bomb, and SSA AP is a gem on 5.56
Is it tungsten alloy or tungsten carbide?
The mechanism of how they interect with armor is different ao it is important to differentiate them. Think steel of various hardness , but the difference is more extreme.
M948 google that shit player
I see you have a channel of a Canadian load out. Your not Canadian are you? If so I have fun rounds for you to try!
What have you got?
@@Oxide_does_his_best M
@@matterhaz2980 well thanks much for sharing I’ll follow up if I need to use any of that stuff
@@Oxide_does_his_best I can't see it now I'd added a comment about the rest of my stuff that might be useful. I have a decent size ww2 collection with most gas masks from the conflict and most soviet and Cold War in general masks. Some rare gas masks and lots of German ww2 relics. I also have a few original uniforms and lots of field equipment. As well as a c3 and c4 Canadian mask if you need for a kit!
Are there any comprehensive studies that show averages of lives saved or percentages of injuries prevented say during the GWOT by modern ceramic armor. Just wondering about effectiveness on the modern battlefield.
I google soldier saved by ceramic plate and I get 1 billion result
holy shit your audio levels in this are scuffed, voice at like -26db and outro at like -6 wtf you're trying to blow my speakers or something? Great testing great video scuffed audio leveling
Yes. Get sovieted
So in conclusion, the effectiveness of the Colossus plate against SLAP depends on Magic 8 Ball?
Its that close yes!
7:32 song ?
Interesting
If Scott from Kentucky ballistic watches this bet his neck itches
What is he doing pushing the Cartridge down into the magazine halfassed instead of forward into the chamber?
A little too nervous in front of the Camera?
Okay now what if i stack two plates together, like if theres extra space could i just throw in a thinner steel plate behind the colossus plate?
An air gap between plates and composite plates of varying materials would help. But weight and bulk exist
@@Oxide_does_his_best yeah that was accounted for
@@INSVRGENTask for the Heavy AP version of the plate
Need to make 3006SLAP rounds
Why would you stand so close?
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Can't wait to see that Soviet afghan vid oxide
Video starts at 3:43
Shooting a SLAP round from a few meters away is not entirely realistic. Most of the engagements will be done at a few hundred meters, some less where a significant amount of muzzle energy is lost.
Instructions unclear. Ran this in my HK91 and sent the barrel and trunnion downrange 😂
Haha tiny APDS go zoooom
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What will lvl5 be rated to stop, 338lm AP, 338lm sapi, 416 Barrett tungsten core UAP?
Nothing. There wil be no lvl5,
@@TheNightrider88 why?
@@TheNightrider88 teotwawki before then?
@@TheNightrider88 might be something similar soon NIJ standard is drafting new rating system
test at atleast 300 yards
Did you get unbanned from squad? I saw someone with your username in one of the ICO playtests but I didn’t ever get near them in game.
I have not played the play test but I’ve been on
@@Oxide_does_his_best maybe I’m misremembering then, you should play the next play test though OWI is has really a been nailing the gunplay with the more recent ones
eyyyyy new pfp
omg hi oxide :3c
This round makes Tarkov's round 7.62 x 39 MAI AP look like a bitch.
How do you pronounce sabot correctly but duck up saboted
Nobody cares
any news from team wendy helmet retest ?
I tested them already. There won’t be a retest