I really hope this is the direction a lot of dual sports go. A little more road-friendly than most current dual sports with larger tanks and the nice rally wind screen, but still has that nice high clearance, tractor factor, and suspension that make it shine off road. I'd love to get a hold of one of these 250L rallys!
eveRide ADV - speaking of Sony, did you finally get the sponsorship? Because of you I switched from GoPro to Sony 3000 ( and 53 as a hand held ) I love the Rally ! Went to the dealer, talked to a salesman, and 2 mangers, and went home empty-handed . I would cost me $7,500 for a non ABS version. That's a lot of money for a dirt bike with blinkers! I love how it looks...
eveRide ADV Yes, there are positives here, this is a good trend!👍🏽. A little disappointed the weight is more than that of the now ancient DRZ400, 😏but without the power. It's weight is equal to my DR650, but lacks 400cc. -and that bike is ancient design😉.
Seconded - Have mine now 3.5 years and nudging 100,000km - Never misses a beat. The CRFs are keepers. Had the CRF250m and always regretted selling her. Won't let my Rally go, that's for sure; she's one of the smallest bikes capacity-wise I've ever owned too. Love it.
Listening to the engine, the exhaust note and the shifting really brought back memories. I had a Honda XL 250 back in 1973 when I was a kid. It was a blast! Thanks for the vid.
I own this bike, The weight is VERY manageable. You need to understand that the common bike throughout the world is a 249cc and under... Some countries this IS the BIG bike. Love my CRF250L RALLY! I opted for the no ABS model. I agree with your review entirely!
CPTNBLOOD34 exactly. Importing a 250cc can cost extra $6000 here in Pakistan. Putting total cost to $12000 almost. I am almost done deciding buying 250rally in mid of 2019.. i am totally into offroad and want a bike which does not need much of maintenance. A very simple hardcore engine.. is it the bike i must have or crfL is ok?? I like it because of its bigger rally look..looks more like a street bike but obviously can go nuts offroad too. Must mention tht i am also into touring. I also have option of getting cb500x for same price. But i dont think cb500x can handle kinda offroading i am into. Plus it ll be even expensive to manage.. right?? Guide me guys.
I own CRF250L. Its a great bike in case you understand what is it's purpose. Its not a dirt bike, its an universal light motorcycle. For me CRF is perfect because it exactly does what I need. It takes me to the office and back, to the grocery stores, what ever. I travel with it for 300-400 kilometers without any problem, its very nice for holiday rides, no matter if its road or trail. And, of course, all of it is very cheap - CRF doesn't burn too much gas and does not require frequent maintenance.
I test rode one of these with a dynojet quickshifter and Ohlins adventure rear shock. It was perfect, I know some people complain about it being too heavy for the engine size, but honestly, it’s fine.
I keep asking the same question. If the WR250R had been a 450, they's still be making them. Give us a decent dualsport with 40 or more reliable horsepower , and we'd all buy one.
@@bongodave13 they make to 1000cc... 250 rally is first step on dual spor Also in Sudamericana is to much $$$ (in Uruguay cost $10k and the African twin adventure $32k)
Lots of commentary regarding the 250L on the interwebs, some good, some bad. What I can't get past are reviews in a person's garage, your review while riding the bike where it was meant for was much more meaningful. Needing to keep in perspective what a stock 250cc bike can do, you did well while demonstrating it in the environment most of us considering the bike would attempt in turn. Thank you.
I got one of the first 250 Rally bikes in the state, and so far I'm very impressed with the bike, especially considering the price. I think your video captures the essence of the of the bike, and touches upon the only real weakness I've found with the bike, and that's the suspension. Great review!
Nice honest review. I have the Rally myself, found it to be a great bike. You have to be honest about its capabilities, it's not an enduro, it's a trial bike. Ride it with this in mind and it does a great job, it's fun and looks great. It's certainly not perfect, but very few bikes are, modding the bike is all part of the fun of ownership, of a motorcycle. Look forward to your follow up videos, will be interesting to hear about the various mods you do, to your bike.
This model is basically the non-rally CRF250L with all the upgrade people have been putting on their CRF250L. The thing I love most is they made it look less like a dirtbike, and a bit sexier.
I got the 2017 CRF250l a few months ago, and I agree, the brakes aren't the best, it's a little under powered, and somewhat heavy, but I've only been riding for a little over 6 months, so I don't need a monster of a bike. I'm really happy with the CRF250l.
Great Video ;-) Thank you very much, I've the Rally too & I am so happy this Motorcycle, I live in Switzerland and this bike as very well in our Forest, I've Africa Twin 2016 before and I have more fun this bike, I love it, It proves that power does not do everything in pleasureI wanted to put a picture, but I don't know how to do on youtube
What forests do you ride in? I live close to Zurich, and recently had to go all the way to Romania for some dirt...would love to find a spot in Switzerland to ride dirt.
i got a 2017 CRF250L , i feel very ok with it....i did a little more rear shock preload and it now it feels ok for me offroad.... the only thing i will change in summer is the rear sprocket to 45 or 48 for more low end torque offroad because gearing is more for street orientated
Having mine for the last two months and putting a 1000 miles on it I think this review is spot on he hit on all the big points of bike me being a heavy rider I just need to re gear to get a little more pick up and go and wound have loved to see the the asain style turn signals and maybe a cruise control feature but I guess that's left to the aftermarket to take care of I just hope someone develops a low slung exhaust to finish off the dakar bike look
Ok, what trails are you guys riding in Utah? I had a 2014 CRF250L - Seat Concepts, stock gearing, EJK, FMF Powercore header & Megabomb muffler, airbox mod, 1 inch Bar risers, skid plate, Dunlop d606, Barkbusters, Acerbis 3.1 fuel tank, Dirtrack panniers, and a rotopax fuel tank for each side, when going on those 250 mile trips in the Utah wasteland. The bike really was one of the "funniest" bikes I've ever owned for the Northern Utah mountainous rough high gravel areas where I would ride and really came alive after making the exhaust, airbox, and EJK mods. It would keep up with everyone in my group who rode dual sports and surpassed them in the rough technical areas (except for the KTM guys). The bike was better capable than my now DR650 for the terrain I enjoy riding in, but sold it for DR650, because I don't trailer my bike to the riding areas and needed something that could better handle the crazy Utah divers coming north to the southern areas on I-215 and I-15 who seemed all to be doing 85+ MPH.
Cool looking motorcycle. I really wanted this bike, but I got tired of waiting for my local dealer to get one in. I bought a DRZ 400S instead and couldn't be happier. I live the e tea CC's. That 250 sounds so gutless. I'll just make my DRZ look more rally-like.
I have a 2017 CRF250L. It was in need of Improvement. 14/40 to a 13/42 gear change was the best thing I've done. Believe it or not I didn't loose any top end. Well its true. Gained a lot of low-end actually I can take off in 2nd if I want. I bought the speedo speedometer calibrator thing. The gear swap really let 6 gear do its job and not bog down. I've had a lot of street bikes and dirt bikes but this one is actually my favorite overall. Every kid has always wanted a dirt bike that can go off road and still be street legal it's awesome. Great video.
I always wondered why they stopped the XL 600 R and the 650 Dominators. I had a XL 600 R model 1984 and drove 130.000 km on 1 and the same engine without any problems. It had 44 horsepower and the weighth was 142 kg. The chassis was awesome, everything was reliable and stuurdy. Even during the harsh winters we have in Austria the XL didn't make any problems, and though there was no electric starter, you needed not more than 2 or 3 kicks in the cold to make it run. I miss that kind of bike. It was wonderful to travel with it: Fuel capacity 12 litres and not more than 3,2 for 100 km. Teneres were good too, but not equal in my opinion: Chassis worse, and their engine didn't last as long and needed more petrol.
this would be perfect with the power of a dr650. come on honda! you ALMOST made the perfect touring bike. its super comfortable on the street surprisingly. actually the weight isnt even that bad! I mean it is a dual sport meant to explore so an extra weight is good for road use. I really hope they make this into like a 400cc or something on year. so frustrating to see such a perfect bike like this with no power
great looking unit. 25 lbs lighter and another 150cc and it would have been a grand slam instead of a double....c'mon honda step up and set some bench mark bikes and you may push back the orange tide.
the ktm 390 ADV will be out next year, that's why honda revamped the CRF250L and introduced 250L Rally. I think yamaha is working on releasing something later this year for 2018 model and i don't mean the T7.
markmtbrider yeah i agree on that either a direct implant from an mx bike 250cc wise or a 450 like the wr has. the fact that a majority of guys like myself are in the 180-210lb range plus gear is keeping people away from this.
thanks for the video.....................I bought the 250 rally 3 days ago and I love it................But I find the seat height a little high for me................ the dealer put everything as low as it could go, I'm 5'10" and 260lbs.............been ridding street bikes for 31 years,.......................and own a few nice bike, one being a 2015 Yamaha fz09 with a seat height 0f around 31.5" and that's a great height for me.What can be done and bought to make the seat height as low as possible ground clearance is no big deal............ I sat on a 2017 Yamaha 250 street and trail at the dealer when buying the 250 rally and found the seat height to be perfect, but didn't like the butt ugliness of it.......................Please help, and let me know what parts to buy, and or what custom mods can be done to lower the 250 rally to the max.................I well also lower the front by letting the shocks come up more in the triple T...........
Kinda cool looks like what's on BMW style but guess to each their own, I'd love to trade my Harley sportster for the 300 rally but I'd miss the cruiser for long stretches live in southern Colorado area
Ima guessing that the suspension is fine for lighter riders; that a few more ponies can be had by modifying the air box and jetting properly; breaking the engine in properly; aftermarket muffler to save weight and increase power a bit. It's something 25 year old me would have been thrilled to own.
Some advantages and great styling over my CRF250L, the biggest bike Honda import here in the Philippines, and doesn't have the power or carrying capacity of my XL1000V in storage elsewhere, but would be a good all round reliable choice in many situations. Thanks for the test!
This is a great bike, expecially for the price, but even with a smaller sprocket in the front it lacks power to properly get through wet dirt or mud. I had the CRF250L and sold it for that reason.
One or Two more teeth on the rear sprocket - or One less tooth on the front will make it much better off road and hill climbing - you will lose some top speed but it is not a street racer anyway.
What a great trail, you guys dont know how lucky you are, here in Germany everything is restricted . Good Honda is street legal with 25 HP, most more sportive OR Bikes are limited to 9 or 10 HP due to emissions, just in pure OR they can use their true power.
Weighs more than my street legal 650r. Hmmmm. I do like the looks and the electric start though. Gearing is similar to the old XR250R which is a great trail bike. Nice review.
My 2013 250 L is being delivered tomorrow and I can't wait to get her on some local trails. Is the Rally version that much better aside from the heigh difference and some newer styling ? Also, a local guy said on his review that fitting an FMF Q4 exhaust to his 250 L gave him around 5 BHP more, does that sound realistic to you guys as it would cost me around £400+ to buy one ? Love the reviews, really informative but jealous of the open space you guys have in the states !
What about a rear sprocket with 1 more tooth - better lower speed pulling and acceleration - you lose 5 mph off the top end but it is like adding about 4 hp or so.
Need have the option to have either the current 250 or a CB300F motor in it. Autos often give you more than one choice for an engine, why not a motorcycle.
Now that you've had the bike for half a year..... second thoughts? New vid on mods and must haves for the rally? I notice in the oil change vid that the rm machine has some enhancements. Thanks... enjoy the content!
Nice video. I see the helmet move relative to the camera. Is it a GoPro on a shouldermount, and image stabilisation on the computer? Anyway, looks great! Sorry the nickle drops, it's helmet mounted but the helmet moves after stabilisation.
I have the rally 2020 model and I’m starting to like the sauce is Spenton I’m 200 pounds 510 it’s super comfortable on the street with the bumps I’m not entirely sure I want to tighten up the suspension because I like how it absorbs- can I get your thoughts on this
I love my 250l rally. I've been riding it for about 3 mouth now an put over 4000. miles for road trip and off road. It would be great if you guys have some upgrades to offer for it.
Light your review a lot but there is one problem You were talking about the suspension about strengthening the Springs Don't forget to strengthen up the will bearings to That old saying is still true It's only a strong as its weakest link
For all the people that are throwing the bike down: the main purpose of this is being ridable with an A2 license, for the ones that have a full A license they have AfricaTwin and a CRF450 Rally edition so you, guys, are not the target for this bike. Maken it lighter would have been thrown off the P/W rateo limit for A2.
I'm looking at getting into dirt riding while using the bike in road some. Is this a good bike for a beginner dirt rider? I'm 6'3" and 275. Hopefully I'm not too big for this.
*Bredaxe* The CRF250L is a great entry level bike into the sport. It's a pretty light and nimble bike for those tighter trails. This bike performs well. Thanks for watching!
Yes, Yes and No, and don't forget the exhaust system, airbox mode and fuel controller, but customizing your bike is half the fun. Okay maybe like a quarter of the fun.
I find the little CRF gets nowhere near the advertised mpg, especially with the stage 1 mods. I might get 60-70 miles on a tank, riding highway with a full yoshi exhaust, EJK, airbox mod and a 13T cog. a bigger fuel tank would be lovely lol.
It cruises at 65 to 70 just fine, gets to 75 quickly but it doesn't feel like cruising any more, 80 absolute maximum. It feels the most peppy at 70, that's the best speed for climbing hills in 6th etc. I'm averaging 3.3 l/100km, 71 MPG US, 86 MPG UK mostly on hilly twisty but tarsealed NZ back roads.
@@unabashedindividualist6232 ... and if you don't modify it you get 160 miles range (at least I do), it's quiet, and probably has all of 3 HP less than yours. Honda knows what they're doing. If you want more power get a bigger bike. This thing is plenty fast for a 250 if you use 7000 to 8000 RPM and full throttle when necessary.
KTM 690. Look no further. You get what you pay for. It is the best off-road oriented dual sport I've found. And it will still do 80mph on the hwy without a problem. Also, long maintenance intervals. I love mine. Of course, it helps that I'm 6'4" about 220 lbs but it feels like it was made for me. I can go anywhere a true dirtbike can go and still ride to the trail and home.
Thinking of buying this as my first motorcycle. You mentioned in the video your weight and how that affects suspension. Do you feel it would be an issue for a guy 240 pounds?
Boy, you sure can ride that bike! Wow. Think I will get me a Rally this summer. Here in Germany it comes with LED tuns signals and head lights. Your turn signals look like conventional stuff!?
I love the rally I was looking at one earlier. Either it or a cb500x or possibly a older sv650. Already ride just wanna try something new. I want something I can actually ride on the streets legally I'm tired of getting pulled over. But I want something that can wheelie as good as my bike (2008 Crf250x) longest wheelie is about a mile I'd say
What’s your opinion of having the ABS on that I heard you have to stop the bike to turn it on or off which I think would be a pain- do you think it’s worth the added money I’ve never had a bike that had a BBS
i bought a 2016 crf and a yahama wr250r both the same year .If I am going somewhere new and i am talking my time i like the honda seems like your are shifting less if i feel like going harder i will take the wr
You said its good for tall guys, is it better for tall people ergonomics in terms of footpeg to seat to handlebars then regular 250L, or are they the same with rally just being taller in terms of ground clearance and seat height? Im interested if rally has any higher and maybe further front handlebar, or lower footpeg, then 250L, better for standing? Or the same?
Will RMATV do an adventure build review, as i am keen to know what the bike would be like with fork and spring upgrade with luggage?. I am looking on a light weight ADV bike, coming from a 1100 GS and a XT660Z tenere, so what is needed with the CRFLR is the bikes capacity to perform on trails and long dirt roads all day.
CRF250L - foot pegs too far forward for standing....really bad standing position. Seat upgrade is a must as it's not comfy. Find you have to gear down alot in slow/steep technical stuff. However great bike that can surprise. Would love to know if the rally has a more comfy seat? Does anyone have any opinions on the power improvments between rally and standard L. Great video. Thanks!
I’ve just got one thing to say... NO POWER! Roads like he was riding are same as non existent on the east coast, lots of atv trails to ride though, fun and challenging, my 650l does it all excellent
How to lower the seat height? Any idea like changing the rear shock absorber to something with less travel and lowering the bolt position on the front shocks?
is the seat more comfortable than the wr250r. for top speed does it run out of gear or horse power. would an extra tooth on the front sprocket work for better highway ability.
It will pull to redline in 5th, which is about 80 mph. It'll also do 80 in 6th, at 8000 RPM, which is 1000 past max torque but 500 below max power. Dropping the gearing to do 80 mph at 8500 (e.g. 13 tooth on the front or 42 on the back) will make it do 80 a little easier (e.g. climb a hill at that speed, or into a slight headwind) and *might* let you get 85 out of it (at 9000 RPM) but it's not going to be comfortable. I think going to 15 on the front would still let it pull 70 or 75 mph in 6th on reasonably flat roads with little or no headwind, and make those speeds more relaxing, but it would take much less to force a downshift. It *might* even make 80 easier in both 5th and 6th -- and make 85 possible (for very short periods!) in 5th. Maybe worth a try :-)
I really hope this is the direction a lot of dual sports go. A little more road-friendly than most current dual sports with larger tanks and the nice rally wind screen, but still has that nice high clearance, tractor factor, and suspension that make it shine off road. I'd love to get a hold of one of these 250L rallys!
Also, great job on the review, Josh! And is that a Sony X3000 you're using? So smooth!
eveRide ADV - speaking of Sony, did you finally get the sponsorship? Because of you I switched from GoPro to Sony 3000 ( and 53 as a hand held )
I love the Rally ! Went to the dealer, talked to a salesman, and 2 mangers, and went home empty-handed . I would cost me $7,500 for a non ABS version. That's a lot of money for a dirt bike with blinkers!
I love how it looks...
It's still too heavy, Tyler. I think Honda could have done better. Then again, my adventure bike of choice is a 2-banger so I'm a little biased.
eveRide ADV Yes, there are positives here, this is a good trend!👍🏽. A little disappointed the weight is more than that of the now ancient DRZ400, 😏but without the power. It's weight is equal to my DR650, but lacks 400cc. -and that bike is ancient design😉.
Mike Parry I have been anxious to see Honda step up and do exactly that with the 471! Surely they don't consider it a threat to Africa Twin sales.
Great little bike for riding on all terrain and multi day camping trips....have had mine for 2 years and clocked up 20,000km
Seconded - Have mine now 3.5 years and nudging 100,000km - Never misses a beat. The CRFs are keepers. Had the CRF250m and always regretted selling her. Won't let my Rally go, that's for sure; she's one of the smallest bikes capacity-wise I've ever owned too. Love it.
Listening to the engine, the exhaust note and the shifting really brought back memories. I had a Honda XL 250 back in 1973 when I was a kid. It was a blast! Thanks for the vid.
I own this bike, The weight is VERY manageable. You need to understand that the common bike throughout the world is a 249cc and under... Some countries this IS the BIG bike. Love my CRF250L RALLY! I opted for the no ABS model. I agree with your review entirely!
CPTNBLOOD34 exactly. Importing a 250cc can cost extra $6000 here in Pakistan. Putting total cost to $12000 almost. I am almost done deciding buying 250rally in mid of 2019.. i am totally into offroad and want a bike which does not need much of maintenance. A very simple hardcore engine.. is it the bike i must have or crfL is ok?? I like it because of its bigger rally look..looks more like a street bike but obviously can go nuts offroad too. Must mention tht i am also into touring. I also have option of getting cb500x for same price. But i dont think cb500x can handle kinda offroading i am into. Plus it ll be even expensive to manage.. right?? Guide me guys.
Any major weaknesses? Could be a commuter as well as an off road?
I own CRF250L. Its a great bike in case you understand what is it's purpose. Its not a dirt bike, its an universal light motorcycle. For me CRF is perfect because it exactly does what I need. It takes me to the office and back, to the grocery stores, what ever. I travel with it for 300-400 kilometers without any problem, its very nice for holiday rides, no matter if its road or trail. And, of course, all of it is very cheap - CRF doesn't burn too much gas and does not require frequent maintenance.
I test rode one of these with a dynojet quickshifter and Ohlins adventure rear shock. It was perfect, I know some people complain about it being too heavy for the engine size, but honestly, it’s fine.
People complain about the weight of the 250 Rally but I like how you pointed out that helps it feel more planted.
why cant honda detune the 450 and give it some longevity. Put it in this frame. That would be the bike i would buy.
I keep asking the same question. If the WR250R had been a 450, they's still be making them. Give us a decent dualsport with 40 or more reliable horsepower , and we'd all buy one.
Pat L agreed
I guess Honda listened
Bongo Dave True. Id buy a wr450r tomorrow if they made one. Idk why they made a 250. Its too small
@@bongodave13 they make to 1000cc... 250 rally is first step on dual spor Also in Sudamericana is to much $$$ (in Uruguay cost $10k and the African twin adventure $32k)
Lots of commentary regarding the 250L on the interwebs, some good, some bad. What I can't get past are reviews in a person's garage, your review while riding the bike where it was meant for was much more meaningful. Needing to keep in perspective what a stock 250cc bike can do, you did well while demonstrating it in the environment most of us considering the bike would attempt in turn. Thank you.
Well stated.
There’s also something to say about how smoothly he’s able to speak while riding on the trail
What a great spot for a ride, just epic.
I got one of the first 250 Rally bikes in the state, and so far I'm very impressed with the bike, especially considering the price. I think your video captures the essence of the of the bike, and touches upon the only real weakness I've found with the bike, and that's the suspension. Great review!
I got someone tryma trade me one how is it?
Nice honest review. I have the Rally myself, found it to be a great bike. You have to be honest about its capabilities, it's not an enduro, it's a trial bike. Ride it with this in mind and it does a great job, it's fun and looks great. It's certainly not perfect, but very few bikes are, modding the bike is all part of the fun of ownership, of a motorcycle.
Look forward to your follow up videos, will be interesting to hear about the various mods you do, to your bike.
Paul I don't think it's a enduro or a trials bike that's pretty silly concidering the weight. It's an adventure bike for beginners nothing more
Paul trial bike or trail bike?
This model is basically the non-rally CRF250L with all the upgrade people have been putting on their CRF250L. The thing I love most is they made it look less like a dirtbike, and a bit sexier.
Not sure about the new Honda but good lord that is a beautiful place to ride any bike... Stunning vistas!
I got the 2017 CRF250l a few months ago, and I agree, the brakes aren't the best, it's a little under powered, and somewhat heavy, but I've only been riding for a little over 6 months, so I don't need a monster of a bike. I'm really happy with the CRF250l.
I put dual sport tires on my sportster and it loves dirt roads and grass hills. Plus can drive across the country.
Great Video ;-) Thank you very much, I've the Rally too & I am so happy this Motorcycle, I live in Switzerland and this bike as very well in our Forest, I've Africa Twin 2016 before and I have more fun this bike, I love it, It proves that power does not do everything in pleasureI wanted to put a picture, but I don't know how to do on youtube
What forests do you ride in? I live close to Zurich, and recently had to go all the way to Romania for some dirt...would love to find a spot in Switzerland to ride dirt.
Very nice! Been keeping my eye out for a bike like this, and this is a fantastic review! Cheers from Alaska!
Been loving my 250L bout 5 years now but can't wait for the 450L to come out later this year!
*MrSquiggy123* We hear you loud and clear. The 450L from honda is exciting! Can't wait to get our hands on one. Thanks for watching.
That's some glorious riding you have there, nice view and trails!
We are definitely lucky to live out here! Thanks for watching!
I'd love to see an ADV bike build of this just like your guy's DRZ400S and WR250R builds.
Rob Sharp
I was hoping they'd do a build segment also on this bike. Still waiting tho
What a incredible place to ride! Where i live the dirt roads are all digged out :/
I own this bike ,and at 400 miles , the engine really opens up.Also I added a Yoshi Pipe that helped quite a bit.
i got a 2017 CRF250L , i feel very ok with it....i did a little more rear shock preload and it now it feels ok for me offroad.... the only thing i will change in summer is the rear sprocket to 45 or 48 for more low end torque offroad because gearing is more for street orientated
Having mine for the last two months and putting a 1000 miles on it I think this review is spot on he hit on all the big points of bike me being a heavy rider I just need to re gear to get a little more pick up and go and wound have loved to see the the asain style turn signals and maybe a cruise control feature but I guess that's left to the aftermarket to take care of I just hope someone develops a low slung exhaust to finish off the dakar bike look
Ok, what trails are you guys riding in Utah?
I had a 2014 CRF250L - Seat Concepts, stock gearing, EJK, FMF Powercore header & Megabomb muffler, airbox mod, 1 inch Bar risers, skid plate, Dunlop d606, Barkbusters, Acerbis 3.1 fuel tank, Dirtrack panniers, and a rotopax fuel tank for each side, when going on those 250 mile trips in the Utah wasteland.
The bike really was one of the "funniest" bikes I've ever owned for the Northern Utah mountainous rough high gravel areas where I would ride and really came alive after making the exhaust, airbox, and EJK mods. It would keep up with everyone in my group who rode dual sports and surpassed them in the rough technical areas (except for the KTM guys). The bike was better capable than my now DR650 for the terrain I enjoy riding in, but sold it for DR650, because I don't trailer my bike to the riding areas and needed something that could better handle the crazy Utah divers coming north to the southern areas on I-215 and I-15 who seemed all to be doing 85+ MPH.
Cool looking motorcycle. I really wanted this bike, but I got tired of waiting for my local dealer to get one in. I bought a DRZ 400S instead and couldn't be happier. I live the e tea CC's. That 250 sounds so gutless. I'll just make my DRZ look more rally-like.
Howard Nicklin IV I recon the drz is the better choice mate by a long shot. Good choice bet your loving it 😁
I have a 2017 CRF250L. It was in need of Improvement. 14/40 to a 13/42 gear change was the best thing I've done. Believe it or not I didn't loose any top end. Well its true. Gained a lot of low-end actually I can take off in 2nd if I want. I bought the speedo speedometer calibrator thing. The gear swap really let 6 gear do its job and not bog down. I've had a lot of street bikes and dirt bikes but this one is actually my favorite overall. Every kid has always wanted a dirt bike that can go off road and still be street legal it's awesome. Great video.
I start off in 2nd on mine all the time on flat roads. I only use 1st for uphill starts or tight technical stuff offroad. Stock gearing.
Spot on review, and trail to match what I'm after seeing thank you
Good review buddy, nice to see someone getting it dirty and not just talking shit about IF.
I always wondered why they stopped the XL 600 R and the 650 Dominators. I had a XL 600 R model 1984 and drove 130.000 km on 1 and the same engine without any problems. It had 44 horsepower and the weighth was 142 kg. The chassis was awesome, everything was reliable and stuurdy. Even during the harsh winters we have in Austria the XL didn't make any problems, and though there was no electric starter, you needed not more than 2 or 3 kicks in the cold to make it run. I miss that kind of bike. It was wonderful to travel with it: Fuel capacity 12 litres and not more than 3,2 for 100 km. Teneres were good too, but not equal in my opinion: Chassis worse, and their engine didn't last as long and needed more petrol.
Love the headlight!!! Thanks for the video.
It does look rad! Thanks for watching. ~ *Vinny*
this would be perfect with the power of a dr650. come on honda! you ALMOST made the perfect touring bike. its super comfortable on the street surprisingly. actually the weight isnt even that bad! I mean it is a dual sport meant to explore so an extra weight is good for road use. I really hope they make this into like a 400cc or something on year. so frustrating to see such a perfect bike like this with no power
Wish we had roads like that lucky guy
great looking unit. 25 lbs lighter and another 150cc and it would have been a grand slam instead of a double....c'mon honda step up and set some bench mark bikes and you may push back the orange tide.
markmtbrider
yeah even using a 350cc is small enough but a 250cc with a 220lb rider just doesn't work
Just buy a KTM, get it over with... You know you want to... 👍
Ktm still needs that. 390 duke engine in an light duel sport. The race series bikes are no good on the road. The 690 is hugely impractical too.
the ktm 390 ADV will be out next year, that's why honda revamped the CRF250L and introduced 250L Rally. I think yamaha is working on releasing something later this year for 2018 model and i don't mean the T7.
markmtbrider yeah i agree on that either a direct implant from an mx bike 250cc wise or a 450 like the wr has. the fact that a majority of guys like myself are in the 180-210lb range plus gear is keeping people away from this.
Amazing video, that first hill with the fence was beautiful. Thanks for the vid
Thanks *Cameron Hicks* Glad you liked it. Very fun bike!
thanks for the video.....................I bought the 250 rally 3 days ago and I love it................But I find the seat height a little high for me................ the dealer put everything as low as it could go, I'm 5'10" and 260lbs.............been ridding street bikes for 31 years,.......................and own a few nice bike, one being a 2015 Yamaha fz09 with a seat height 0f around 31.5" and that's a great height for me.What can be done and bought to make the seat height as low as possible ground clearance is no big deal............ I sat on a 2017 Yamaha 250 street and trail at the dealer when buying the 250 rally and found the seat height to be perfect, but didn't like the butt ugliness of it.......................Please help, and let me know what parts to buy, and or what custom mods can be done to lower the 250 rally to the max.................I well also lower the front by letting the shocks come up more in the triple T...........
getting there!!!! thanks :)
The headlights are the goofiest looking set up ever!
Kinda cool looks like what's on BMW style but guess to each their own, I'd love to trade my Harley sportster for the 300 rally but I'd miss the cruiser for long stretches live in southern Colorado area
I’m planning on selling my 250l and getting the rally soon
Ima guessing that the suspension is fine for lighter riders; that a few more ponies can be had by modifying the air box and jetting properly; breaking the engine in properly; aftermarket muffler to save weight and increase power a bit. It's something 25 year old me would have been thrilled to own.
Some advantages and great styling over my CRF250L, the biggest bike Honda import here in the Philippines, and doesn't have the power or carrying capacity of my XL1000V in storage elsewhere, but would be a good all round reliable choice in many situations. Thanks for the test!
Honda bring back an up dated XR 650 r with EFI and E-start they would sell everyone made.
This is a great bike, expecially for the price, but even with a smaller sprocket in the front it lacks power to properly get through wet dirt or mud. I had the CRF250L and sold it for that reason.
Awesome video 👍
You guys should do more ADV bike reviews!! Lovit!!
Good looking bike :)
I'm sticking to buying a wr250r
There's no better dual sport on the market in my opinion. Love mine.
Hurry up, they're discontinued.
Rip Wr
no rip, i own 2 WR250X
jack schitt the wr250r dual sport has been discontinued for 2018
One or Two more teeth on the rear sprocket - or One less tooth on the front will make it much better off road and hill climbing - you will lose some top speed but it is not a street racer anyway.
What a great trail, you guys dont know how lucky you are, here in Germany everything is restricted . Good Honda is street legal with 25 HP, most more sportive OR Bikes are limited to 9 or 10 HP due to emissions, just in pure OR they can use their true power.
Great video and could you do a review of the same model of 2020 rally and comment on the differences and improvements? Thanks and take care
Thanks for the video. Where are you riding in this one?
Weighs more than my street legal 650r. Hmmmm. I do like the looks and the electric start though. Gearing is similar to the old XR250R which is a great trail bike. Nice review.
Great video and review. Thank you and convinced me of getting it. Where is this trail?
This would be great in a 350
My 2013 250 L is being delivered tomorrow and I can't wait to get her on some local trails. Is the Rally version that much better aside from the heigh difference and some newer styling ? Also, a local guy said on his review that fitting an FMF Q4 exhaust to his 250 L gave him around 5 BHP more, does that sound realistic to you guys as it would cost me around £400+ to buy one ? Love the reviews, really informative but jealous of the open space you guys have in the states !
jesus, what trail is that? its beautiful.
What about a rear sprocket with 1 more tooth - better lower speed pulling and acceleration - you lose 5 mph off the top end but it is like adding about 4 hp or so.
Need have the option to have either the current 250 or a CB300F motor in it. Autos often give you more than one choice for an engine, why not a motorcycle.
Now that you've had the bike for half a year..... second thoughts?
New vid on mods and must haves for the rally?
I notice in the oil change vid that the rm machine has some enhancements.
Thanks... enjoy the content!
Good review, amazing scenery. Where are you? Would love to ride there.
Nice video. I see the helmet move relative to the camera. Is it a GoPro on a shouldermount, and image stabilisation on the computer? Anyway, looks great! Sorry the nickle drops, it's helmet mounted but the helmet moves after stabilisation.
I have the rally 2020 model and I’m starting to like the sauce is Spenton I’m 200 pounds 510 it’s super comfortable on the street with the bumps I’m not entirely sure I want to tighten up the suspension because I like how it absorbs- can I get your thoughts on this
Man, if its comfortable for you I'd leave it! It's all about preference within safety limits.
I love my 250l rally. I've been riding it for about 3 mouth now an put over 4000. miles for road trip and off road.
It would be great if you guys have some upgrades to offer for it.
looking for upgrade already on a good bike?
I'm always looking for new toys for my toys
men don't grow up, just the toys getting more expencive
I got the stiffer Barnett clutch springs on my '13 CRF250L and it helped a ton.
1234jonesing how do you like it at interstate speeds?
Texas is a big state and I wonder if a 250 will cut it on long trips.
Light your review a lot but there is one problem You were talking about the suspension about strengthening the Springs Don't forget to strengthen up the will bearings to That old saying is still true It's only a strong as its weakest link
I don't like the fuggly lights. Prefer my moded 250L. Good review.
250cc
350lbs
Cmon Honda... basically the same weight as my 650l.
I have a 2003 KTM 640 ADV that tips the scales at 350 dry. Same response as you. Honda has 14 years to trim weight but didn't. Why?
keeping it cheap, the market for honda is new riders and most of us would buy a WR250R or KTM if the honda cost similar to either.
Is that number correct"
osimnod me too I have an 2003 KTM 640 ADV.
Service intervals? Is it real adventure intervals, or dirt bike intervals?
On my 2nd CRF250L. Best bike I've ever had. Mountain bike with an engine. :)
Rally... meh. Too much fluff.
Still... Honda A+
Nice Review. 👍
I love mine too. I've never run into a trail or mountain that I can't conquer and I live in Dual-Sport heaven.
Did you have the originally L and now the Rally? What do you like better?
For all the people that are throwing the bike down: the main purpose of this is being ridable with an A2 license, for the ones that have a full A license they have AfricaTwin and a CRF450 Rally edition so you, guys, are not the target for this bike. Maken it lighter would have been thrown off the P/W rateo limit for A2.
Great video. I really enjoyed it.
Where is the location by the way?
I'm looking at getting into dirt riding while using the bike in road some. Is this a good bike for a beginner dirt rider? I'm 6'3" and 275. Hopefully I'm not too big for this.
*Bredaxe* The CRF250L is a great entry level bike into the sport. It's a pretty light and nimble bike for those tighter trails. This bike performs well. Thanks for watching!
Does it need a 300cc kit ?
Does it need a larger fuel tank ?
Does it cruise at 65-70 mph without ringing its neck ?
Yes, Yes and No, and don't forget the exhaust system, airbox mode and fuel controller, but customizing your bike is half the fun. Okay maybe like a quarter of the fun.
I find the little CRF gets nowhere near the advertised mpg, especially with the stage 1 mods. I might get 60-70 miles on a tank, riding highway with a full yoshi exhaust, EJK, airbox mod and a 13T cog. a bigger fuel tank would be lovely lol.
It cruises at 65 to 70 just fine, gets to 75 quickly but it doesn't feel like cruising any more, 80 absolute maximum. It feels the most peppy at 70, that's the best speed for climbing hills in 6th etc. I'm averaging 3.3 l/100km, 71 MPG US, 86 MPG UK mostly on hilly twisty but tarsealed NZ back roads.
@@unabashedindividualist6232 ... and if you don't modify it you get 160 miles range (at least I do), it's quiet, and probably has all of 3 HP less than yours. Honda knows what they're doing. If you want more power get a bigger bike. This thing is plenty fast for a 250 if you use 7000 to 8000 RPM and full throttle when necessary.
@@BruceHoult a lot of the fuel savings seem to be the fact that the bike runs pretty lean from the factory for emissions purposes.
KTM 690. Look no further. You get what you pay for. It is the best off-road oriented dual sport I've found. And it will still do 80mph on the hwy without a problem. Also, long maintenance intervals. I love mine. Of course, it helps that I'm 6'4" about 220 lbs but it feels like it was made for me. I can go anywhere a true dirtbike can go and still ride to the trail and home.
KTM 690 is a nice bike. Costs exactly twice as much as the Rally.
Thinking of buying this as my first motorcycle. You mentioned in the video your weight and how that affects suspension. Do you feel it would be an issue for a guy 240 pounds?
Great review thanks !
Boy, you sure can ride that bike! Wow. Think I will get me a Rally this summer. Here in Germany it comes with LED tuns signals and head lights. Your turn signals look like conventional stuff!?
Gute Wahl Svenja, hab ja meine seit Februar. Geiles Bike kann ich nur sagen.
The indicators are conventional with bulbs. No LEDs. Just the headlight is LED.
Looks like an Africa Twin
Luke's ATV Adventures the Halfrica 😂
Because it has two wheels and says Honda? haha looks nothing like the twin
+CPTNBLOOD34 haha. yeah that African twin looks like it ate two of.these for lunch
I love the rally I was looking at one earlier. Either it or a cb500x or possibly a older sv650. Already ride just wanna try something new. I want something I can actually ride on the streets legally I'm tired of getting pulled over. But I want something that can wheelie as good as my bike (2008 Crf250x) longest wheelie is about a mile I'd say
Love my 250 rally. Gotta get some better tires for off road.
Hello from canada. Nice vidéo.
Does Honda make something like that in a 400 or 450cc? I weigh 230 pounds, so probably need more power. Thanks!!
How closely related are the engines on this and the cbr250 (Single Cylinder)
Please tell me where this wonderland you are riding is?
What’s your opinion of having the ABS on that I heard you have to stop the bike to turn it on or off which I think would be a pain- do you think it’s worth the added money I’ve never had a bike that had a BBS
With a softer suspension, could you go with a heavier fork oil and stiffen it up?
i bought a 2016 crf and a yahama wr250r both the same year .If I am going somewhere new and i am talking my time i like the honda seems like your are shifting less if i feel like going harder i will take the wr
For medium off-road riding do you think the rear shock Has to be replaced or should we just tighten the preload? I’m just under 200 pounds
God that is some gorgeous terrain. Where were you riding?
This is up near Bear Lake on the border of Utah and Idaho.
You said its good for tall guys, is it better for tall people ergonomics in terms of footpeg to seat to handlebars then regular 250L, or are they the same with rally just being taller in terms of ground clearance and seat height? Im interested if rally has any higher and maybe further front handlebar, or lower footpeg, then 250L, better for standing? Or the same?
Hello, where is that ride if you dont mind me asking? thx
Will RMATV do an adventure build review, as i am keen to know what the bike would be like with fork and spring upgrade with luggage?. I am looking on a light weight ADV bike, coming from a 1100 GS and a XT660Z tenere, so what is needed with the CRFLR is the bikes capacity to perform on trails and long dirt roads all day.
CRF250L - foot pegs too far forward for standing....really bad standing position. Seat upgrade is a must as it's not comfy. Find you have to gear down alot in slow/steep technical stuff. However great bike that can surprise. Would love to know if the rally has a more comfy seat? Does anyone have any opinions on the power improvments between rally and standard L.
Great video. Thanks!
sweet ride..how about for a 5'4ft guy?..do you think i can tiptoe on the ground?
Wow, sold !!
what's your impressions on the xt250. how would it compare to the basic crf250l?
I’ve just got one thing to say... NO POWER! Roads like he was riding are same as non existent on the east coast, lots of atv trails to ride though, fun and challenging, my 650l does it all excellent
How to lower the seat height? Any idea like changing the rear shock absorber to something with less travel and lowering the bolt position on the front shocks?
is the seat more comfortable than the wr250r. for top speed does it run out of gear or horse power. would an extra tooth on the front sprocket work for better highway ability.
It will pull to redline in 5th, which is about 80 mph. It'll also do 80 in 6th, at 8000 RPM, which is 1000 past max torque but 500 below max power. Dropping the gearing to do 80 mph at 8500 (e.g. 13 tooth on the front or 42 on the back) will make it do 80 a little easier (e.g. climb a hill at that speed, or into a slight headwind) and *might* let you get 85 out of it (at 9000 RPM) but it's not going to be comfortable.
I think going to 15 on the front would still let it pull 70 or 75 mph in 6th on reasonably flat roads with little or no headwind, and make those speeds more relaxing, but it would take much less to force a downshift. It *might* even make 80 easier in both 5th and 6th -- and make 85 possible (for very short periods!) in 5th. Maybe worth a try :-)
If they make a 500cc version of the rally, I am in.
The problem with all bike manufactures is that they make all the bikes for 5'6' 65kg riders.
lol thats what im
I'm a big dude and I couldn't agree more.
Total agree
I would say a lot of dual sports are actually meant for guys over 510 weighing 150
Nice review dude, nice views at the end , it’s so sad that Honda don’t bring crf250 to Brazil
Being poor sucks. It'll take me 2-3 years to get the money. Hope I don't die first. I just wanna ride man. Maybe I should get a CSC TT250.