Oh Father Gregory, you are beyond delightful. I just love you so much and you make us smarter just listening to you and yes, you are clear, but even when you're not it's so much fun to listen to you❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Okay, this is Part I. Part II is due; subject: how do the 3 Persons of the Blessed Trinity interact with each other, and how do they interact with human beings, distinctly, as you clarify they are actually distinct, though 1 God. Maybe Part III (since there should surely be 3 steps to understanding the Blessed Trinity...): how we can make sense of the fact that 1 God is actually 3 Persons... At least an effort toward explaining that (as I understand that it might be impossible for us to comprehend). Thank you, Fr. Gregory!
From Bishop Barron's channel: How To Understand the Trinity - czcams.com/video/IqjFe3AoZYw/video.html His older videos: Can God Really Be Both One and Many? - czcams.com/video/BMuA0kn1GCs/video.html The Trinity - czcams.com/video/5l-Lv9tGQwI/video.html How Does the Church Fit Into and Serve the Trinity? - czcams.com/video/IArnmmwQoDo/video.html Understanding the Holy Spirit - czcams.com/video/wD71MBo5gBA/video.html
The Trinity is perfect in unity for which God is love through the persons the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit who is one God, who did not lack anything nor is dependent on no one. Therefore, we are created because God is love and out of love God created us to have a living loving redeemed relationship with God through the Son Jesus Christ who paid our sin debt in full once and for all! Glory to God Almighty!
Please explain the processions more clearly. I know that God is outside of time, He is eternal. What does being begotten mean for the Son (obviously, this does not refer to carnal filiation) and being spirated for the Holy Spirit? And what do these mean for God the Father (I think that He is sometimes referred to as the Godhead). God is eternal and doesn't change, He is uncreated and uncaused, and the prime mover. How can the divinity of the Son and the Holy Spirit "come" (I use this word loosely) from the Father without there being cause and an effect, or something potential being actualized?
Let me give you an example of Sun, as long as Sun exists there is always heat and light, Sun doesn't create it but generates heat and light, so you can use this example to understand eternal generation.
Hallo Fr. Gregory! Could You explain in this context about filioque. What is the distinction (or remarkable) in this ontological sense about the Holy Trinity between (or for) orthodox and catholic theology? It would be very interesting to listen to Your explanation:) P.S. Schöne Grüße aus Innsbruck!)
I like my elevator pitch. It isn't intended to explain the Trinity, but it hints that direction. I've had agnostics tell me after hearing it that the Gospel and the Trinity make a lot more sense when starting from this point. God is Love. Love is self-sacrifice: the giving of yourself in such a way as to benefit the object of your love. Love exists, and makes choices, and has power. Love made us to Love us, exhibit itself, and for us to Love it. Love cannot be without the choice to choose otherwise, and that choice can only be real if there are some who actually chose otherwise. In order to be fully the same thing as Love, Christ entered the world and fully gave himself to us to die a humiliating death at the hands of and on behalf of those who had chosen otherwise. Christ sent his Love forward to join with those who chose to be an expression of Love in the world. We have the choice to be an expression of the Love that sent Christ, of Christ, of the Love Christ sends, and to express our love through study, through emulation, and through obedience. What do you choose?
An analogy i came up with is this, correct me where I'm wrong: God is like a poem, a poem is made up of its subject (be it a story, a character or a scenery), of its message and of its language/style. These 3 aspects are all inevitably linked together, analyzing just one of them won't ever give you a full picture of the poem, but at the same time us humans can hardly grasp the entirity of a poem at once. The Father is like the language used in the poem, without it everything falls into nothingness and you can imagine the language to have been made apart from the poem (which is kind of what the muslims do), but it isn't: God is the poem not the stylistic tendencies of the author. The Son is the subject, it's what's easiest for us to talk about, we humans are social creatures, we talk we exchange images and ideas through common reference, the Son exists like the subject exists within the poem, but it is inherently more than what it appears to be since its story, its very existence among humans will always reference the rest of the poem (God). The Holy Spirit is like the message of the poet, whether at a conscious or subcoscious level our actions are influenced by the message of the works of art we like the most, they are the engine that pushes our whims in a certain direction, and the Holy Spirit is a similar thing, it's the divine gift to humans to do good things in the name of God's truth, the more we understand each nook and cranny of the language of the poem and the more we get our brothers excited for the subject of the poem, the more its message resonates with us.
I wish there was a different name or title instead of the father and the son because I think that confuses a lot of people. I’ve actually had discussions with protestants that believe Jesus literally is the son of God and not God
and Muslims also get offended that "WTF?!? How can God produce a child?!?!" But in all actualities, these English words are all symbolic and not literal.
Yep one of the big problems with translating Scripture into English. The same thing happens when protestants think Catholics "worship" Mary and miss the Latin distinctions between latria (worship of God), hyper-dulia (worship of Mary), and dulia (worship of the saints). They don't see the hierarchy and treat all forms of "worship" equally.
GOD's reality is spiritual Human's reality is biological and physical When I said, my son is my son, you know what is the package, he has my Sir name, blood type, genetic make up, such that if I am Russian he will be Russian also so when GOD wants to share HIS message to us human, HE uses the language that HE gave to us at the time of the Towel of Babel. SON of GOD does not mean GOD has a wife and JESUS came out of a GOD-mother, no no, it means JESUS is exactly GOD, (John, in the beginning was the Word.... and the Word was GOD)
I believe that only the Father is God. God’s personal name is Jehovah (Psalm 83:18). Jesus is God's son. Jesus was "begotten" by God, or produced by God. He is God's "firstborn" (Col 1:15) and the beginning of the creation by God (Revelation 3:14). God the Father, on the other hand, does not have a beginning. (Psalm 90:2) 1 Corinthians 8:6 states, "But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him." Jesus is rightly called Lord since God is the one who made him Lord (Acts 2:36) and exalted him to the highest position (Phil 2:9) and gave him all authority over heaven and earth (Mat. 28:18), but Jesus is not the same as Almighty God. Jesus even refers to his Father on more than one occasion as "my God". (John 20:17, Rev 3:12) In John 17:3, Jesus called his Father in heaven "the only true God."
The churchfathers couldn't figure out that the Father - who is a spirit ("God is a spirit") - is inside Jesus and simply is called "Holy Spirit" by Him (see the Jesus' sermon about the TWO blasphemies - directed to Son and Father - where the Father was called "Holy Spirit"). The Father - who is a spirit - helped Jesus in the desert and also later when speaking. Thus no third person exists.
I've lately been thinking of the three persons of the Trinity as something like three separate offices, each with distinct roles. That helped me understand better why Jesus prays to the Father. Yes, He is God in substance, from all eternity with the Father, but He prays to the Father because that is propper for His office. Though the husband is the head of the family, including his spouse, he is not greater than any of them. Likewise, Jesus isn't less than the Father in substance (He is God), but His office submits itself in love to the Father's will. ... I'm just a lay-person and don't know if this contradicts Church teaching at all, but I thought I'd share. At the end of the day, like so much of our faith (not surprsingly, I suppose) the Trinity is an impenetrable mystery, and I always chuckle a bit to myself when we go to such lengths (not needlessly, mind you) to defend truths which we can hardly begin to comprehend. We are indeed children in the eyes of God.
My 2 cents: Jesus prayed to God the father because he had a human will, not because his office was separate. And the Church teaches that both God the father and God the son equally partook in creation, as far as I understand. So you don't want to suggest that God the father created the world while God the son just hung out and watched, so to speak.
Neither do I. I don't understand his introduction on the faith as well, I mean if he is a man of faith and he understands this concept (which I don't); can't he make it just as accessible to those who don't have faith?
THE TRINITY EXPLAINED AT LAST - LOL THE TRINITY TEACHES THAT GOD ASKED HIMSELF TO GO TO EARTH TO SAVE MANKIND (Jn 3:16) THEN HE AGREED WITH HIMSELF AND VOLUNTEERED TO SEND HIMSELF TO OFFER HIMSELF TO HIMSELF AS A SACRIFICE OF HIMSELF FOR HIMSELF (Jn 5:30) THEN GOD IMPREGNATED A WOMAN, WITH HIMSELF SO THAT HE COULD BE BORN AS HIMSELF IN THE FLESH TO BECOME A PART OF HIS OWN CREATION TO GIVE FURTHER PRAISE TO HIMSELF (Jn 1:14 Mt 11:25) GOD ENJOYED TALKING TO HIMSELF AND STRENGTHENED HIMSELF BECAUSE HE LOVES HIMSELF (Jn 14:31; Lu 22:43) THEREFORE GOD PRAYED TO HIMSELF AND GLORIFIED HIMSELF REPEATEDLY (Lu 22:42; Jn 12:28) GOD ALLOWED HIS SON SATAN TO TEMPT HIM SO THAT HE COULD PROVE THAT HE COULD NOT SIN AGAINST HIMSELF (JAS 1:13-15) GOD WANTED TO BE MORE OF HIMSELF THEN JUST THREE IN ONE OF HIMSELF SO HE ADDED MORE OF HIMSELF: “That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me” John 17:21 LATER, GOD CRIED OUT TO HIMSELF AND FORESOOK HIMSELF AND SACRIFICED HIMSELF TO HIMSELF TO PROVE HIS LOYALTY TO HIMSELF (Mt 27:46) WHILE DEAD GOD RESURRECTED HIMSELF SO HE COULD EXALT HIMSELF TO THE RIGHT HAND OF HIMSELF ABOVE HIMSELF BY BECOMING A GOD TO HIMSELF TO WORSHIP HIMSELF (PSALM 110:1; JOHN 17:5; REVELATION 3:12) THEN GOD SAT AT HIS OWN RIGHT HAND AND WAITED TILL HE PLACED HIS ENEMIES AS A FOOTSTOOL “Jehovah declared to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand Until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.” (Ps 110:1) FINALLY WITH SATAN'S FORCES DEFEATED, GOD WOULD TURN HIS KINGDOM OVER TO HIMSELF SO THAT ALL THINGS WOULD BECOME EVERYTHING TO HIMSELF: “Next, the end, when he hands over the Kingdom to his God and Father, when he has brought to nothing all government and all authority and power. 28 But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone.” 1 Corinthians 15:24,28 GOD NEEDED TO DO ALL OF THIS FOR HIMSELF TO PROVE TO EVERYONE THAT THE STATEMENT THAT HE MADE ABOUT HIMSELF THAT HE IS THE ONE AND ONLY TRUE GOD MEANS THAT HE HAD TO CORRECT THE INSPIRED STATEMENT THAT SAYS: “Jesus answered: “The first is, ‘Hear, O Israel, Jehovah our God is one Jehovah” Mark 12:29; Deu 6:4 THE TRINITY EXPLAINED AT LAST - LOL THE TRINITY TEACHES THAT GOD ASKED HIMSELF TO INTER INTO HIS CREATION AND GO TO EARTH TO SAVE MANKIND (Jn 3:16) THEN HE AGREED WITH HIMSELF AND VOLUNTEERED TO SEND HIMSELF TO OFFER HIMSELF TO HIMSELF AS A SACRIFICE TO HIMSELF FOR HIMSELF (Jn 5:30) THEN GOD IMPREGNATED A WOMAN, WITH HIMSELF SO THAT HE COULD BE BORN AS HIMSELF IN THE FLESH TO BECOME A PART OF HIS OWN CREATION TO GIVE FURTHER PRAISE TO HIMSELF (Jn 1:14 Mt 11:25) GOD ENJOYED TALKING TO HIMSELF AND STRENGTHENED HIMSELF BECAUSE HE LOVES HIMSELF (Jn 14:31; Lu 22:43) THEREFORE GOD PRAYED TO HIMSELF AND GLORIFIED HIMSELF REPEATEDLY (Lu 22:42; Jn 12:28) GOD ALLOWED HIS SON SATAN TO TEMPT HIM SO THAT HE COULD PROVE THAT HE COULD NOT SIN AGAINST HIMSELF (JAS 1:13-15) GOD WANTED TO BE MORE OF HIMSELF THEN JUST THREE IN ONE OF HIMSELF SO HE ADDED MORE OF HIMSELF: “That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me” John 17:21 LATER, GOD CRIED OUT TO HIMSELF AND FORESOOK HIMSELF AND SACRIFICED HIMSELF TO HIMSELF TO PROVE HIS LOYALTY TO HIMSELF (Mt 27:46) WHILE DEAD GOD RESURRECTED HIMSELF SO HE COULD EXALT HIMSELF TO THE RIGHT HAND OF HIMSELF ABOVE HIMSELF BY BECOMING A GOD TO HIMSELF TO WORSHIP HIMSELF (PSALM 110:1; JOHN 17:5; REVELATION 3:12) THEN GOD SAT AT HIS OWN RIGHT HAND AND WAITED TILL HE PLACED HIS ENEMIES AS A FOOTSTOOL “Jehovah declared to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand Until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.” (Ps 110:1) FINALLY WITH SATAN'S FORCES DEFEATED, GOD WOULD TURN HIS KINGDOM OVER TO HIMSELF SO THAT ALL THINGS WOULD BECOME EVERYTHING TO HIMSELF: “Next, the end, when he hands over the Kingdom to his God and Father, when he has brought to nothing all government and all authority and power. 28 But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone.” 1 Corinthians 15:24,28 GOD NEEDED TO DO ALL OF THIS FOR HIMSELF TO PROVE TO EVERYONE THAT THE STATEMENT THAT HE MADE ABOUT HIMSELF THAT HE IS THE ONE AND ONLY TRUE GOD MEANS THAT HE HAD TO CORRECT THE INSPIRED STATEMENT THAT SAYS: “Jesus answered: “The first is, ‘Hear, O Israel, Jehovah our God is one Jehovah” Mark 12:29; Deu 6:4 WHILE MONOTHEISM IS EVERYTHING WHEN IT COMES TO THE ONLY TRUE GOD ISLAM IS NOT A TRUE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE ONLY TRUE GOD WHO'S NAME IS JEHOVAH BOTH THE TRINITY AND THE MUSLIM DEBATES CANCEL EACH OTHER OUT AS TRUE WORSHIP OF THE ONLY TRUE GOD AS NEIGHTER ONE OF THEM IDENTIFY WHO GOD IS SO AS TO GIVE HIM THE WORSHIP THAT HE DESERVES: "Nevertheless, the hour is coming, and it is now, when the true worshippers will worship the Father with spirit and truth, for indeed, the Father (WHO IS THE ONLY TRUE GOD) is looking for ones like these to worship him. 24 God is a Spirit, (NOT THE ONE WHO CAME TO EARTH TO BECOME JESUS) and those worshipping him must worship with spirit and truth.” John 4:23,24 "This means everlasting life,e their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Chris" John 17:3
Aquinas talks about not using natural arguments based on natural arguments when discussing the Trintity. I agree with that. But what happens when you are debating someone who does not accept the Trinity - For example, Muslims, Jehova's Witness, modern day gnostics, dualists, docetists, and the link? Are we stuck with keeping to appeals to scriptural interpretation? Or the authority of councils? Or the authority of the church? Reading Aquinas in the Summa Contra Gentiles, it seemed to me that he thought the Trinity ought not to be discussed with non believers at all. Can you clarify how to discuss the Trintiy with none believers at all, as per Aquinas?
You have to give real world examples like water can be ice, a liquid, and a gas and the sun is an star¹ that give out heat² and light³ but are the same object.
@Francisco Guada Agreed - but that becomes difficult when the apparent contradiction between God being one in substance and three in person. I know that the persons are differentiated as relations, and these relations do not divide the substance, but Muslims and modern day Arians always assert that this is a contradiction.
Although Fr. Gregory explanation is accurate, I think its weakness is that it uses a lot of words whose everyday meaning are very time bound like proceeds. I will make an attempt at explaining the Holy Trinity that I think is less time bound although it may have other weaknesses given that any explanation of the Trinity will always fall short of the actual reality. Before I start I want to give credit to Frank Sheed and his book Theology and Sanity. The first 100 pages of the book is the best explanation of the Trinity I have ever read. Here goes: The nature of God is such that he is infinite in knowledge (intellect) and power (will) and has always possessed these attributes (changeless). Because God's knowledge is infinite, his knowledge of himself is not just an image of himself the way we have an image of ourselves in our mind but an actual person (the Son) who fully shares the Divine nature. Because God always existed and always had infinite knowledge, there is no creation of the Son by the Father. There is simply a relationship between the two persons who fully possess the Divine nature at all times (eternity). These two persons (Father and Son) love one another from all eternity and this love which is infinite results in a third person (Holy Spirit) because love is always fruitful similar to how the love of a husband and wife is fruitful in creating a child except the latter is time bound while the former always is. So there is a relationship between the 3 persons but never a moment where one of the persons did not exist and did not fully share the Divine nature.
“His knowledge of himself is an actual person who fully shares the Divine nature (because his knowledge is infinite)” I don’t get how you go from infinite knowledge to distinguished personhood. I think it is also on the edge of subordination, since your refer to as Christ as the knowledge (of self) of the Father basically, while Christ has all the attributes the Father has (same goes for the Holy Spirit). 1 will, 1 knowledge, 1 power etc etc. without any dependency. “Proceed” and “begotten” for the Holy Spirit and Son resp. do the job more than adequately, since they are applied not as literal terms bu
@@ghrtfhfgdfnfg you should know because you don't want them to deceive anyone you love. They are everywhere trying to deceive Christians. See Dr David Wood, or Christian prince You never know when your child or loved one will encounter them at school
mystery? Matthew 18:10 (..) Jesus said: for I tell you that their angels in heaven always look upon the face of MY FATHER who is in heaven. John 5:36 But I have the witness greater than that of John, for the very works that my Father ASSIGNED ME TO ACCOMPLISH, these works that I am doing, bear witness that the Father SENT ME. 37 And the Father WHO SENT ME HAS HIMSELF borne witness about me. You have neither heard his voice at any time nor seen HIS FORM Acts 5:30 The God of OUR FOREFATHERS (JEHOVAH/YHWH) raised up Jesus ACTS 3:13 Peter and John said: The God of Abraham and of Isaac and of Jacob, the God of our forefathers, has glorified his Son and Servant, Jesus EXODUS 6:3 “And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.”
@@CanisDei modified, read any bible: Luke 1:32 who is the LORD God Most High the one giving the throne to Jesus the SON of the Most High. Luke 1:32 “Jesus will be great and will be called the SON of the Most High. The LORD God WILL GIVE HIM the throne.. Revelation 3:21 Jesus said: To the one who conquers I will grant to sit down with me on my throne, just as I conquered and sat down WITH MY FATHER ON HIS THRONE.
The Son proceeds by the intellect of the Divine Nature and the Holy Spirit proceeds by the will of the Divine Nature. Moreover the Divine Nature because of Divine Simplicity and Divine actuality has no parts, composition or any distinction between the internal divine attributes, essence and existence. So what proceeds from God before all creation remains in God and does not become part of God but subsists in the whole Divine Nature.
What about the four relations: (a) Active Generation[Paternity] (b) Passive Generation [Filiation] (c) Active Spiration or as the Great Angelic Doctor would call just Spiration (d) Passive Spiration as same Doctor would call Procession. Of these four real relations three are really distinct or opposite relations namely Paternity, Filiation and Procession which are proper to each of the three distinct Persons and how the Persons get their names. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Paternity and Filiation are opposite to each other. The Father gets His name from Paternity because He is Father to the Second Person. Likewise the Son gets His Name from Filiation because He is Son to the Father. Spiration stands in contrast to Procession but not to Paternity or Filiation. Since the Father and the Son actively spirate the Holy Spirit Active Spiration is not exclusive to one Person but two Persons, it is only virtually not not really distinct. The procession of the Holy Spirit is exclusive only to the Third Person.
God the Father is Being (as a verb). What the Father knows comes into existence. The Father’s eternal Self knowledge is the Son (Being as a noun), and is everything the Father is including person-ness. Likewise the process of knowing which proceeds form the Father and Son is everything the Father/Son is including person-ness. Nothing exists outside the Trinity.
Thanks for the Gregory for reviewing the historical development of theological reflection on the reality of God as we know him naturally and through revelation. That's interesting, but does nothing to inspire or bring people to faith. The simplest explanation of the Trinity begins with Jesus. If we believe and have a dynamic relationship to him, which is the essence of faith before any reflective dimension about that relationship, then how Jesus speaks about himself his father, our father, and the gift of the spirit sent by him and the father as Jesus says gives us the base of the trinity. You said that sort of in philosophical terms. The historic development of reflection about the Trinity comes to us through Greek Latin culture and mentality that really does not speak to people today. Whereas the Hebrew mentality, which is the mentality of Jesus, does speak to us today because it is a mentality of relationship which we understand readily as Jesus speaks and teaches and reveals. I always enjoy listening to you because you provoke thought and that is very important. Thanks again
The problem is that there are non-Trinitarians who accept the Bible (some change it slightly, though), and they reject the Trinity, they go to great lengths to attempt to find alternate explanations.
John 16,15 [15]All things whatsoever that the Father has are mine. For this reason, I said that he will receive from what is mine and that he will announce it to you. Galatians 4,6 [6]Therefore, because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying out: "Abba, Father."
McLuhan says the right brain is grounded in the heart. Really it connects up on the vagus nerve and the vagus nerve is activated by fasting. Fasting from thoughts, or not hanging on to them, fasting from food (rest and digest) and fasting from lust, whilst being in a meditative state, with relaxed body and deep slow breathing. Phonetic literacy biases the LEFT BRAIN. So philosophy, or Reason, has that left brain bias and it's a problem because the left brain doesn't connect back over to the right brain but the right brain does connect back over to the left side. Really phonetic literacy is nihilistic, that's why with mass literacy, from the print-press, culture turned towards secular atheism. The vagus nerve connects up the organs with the brain. So when that connection was lost that's why the mechanical universe came into being coming out the middle ages. Through humans projecting left brain spiritual disconnect onto nature. The left brain mind and the right brain soul are not the same thing, but the two became synonymous in Descartes philosophy. Left brain intellectualism took off with Plato and Aristotle. Plato was the first generation educated using the Ionic alphabet, with fixed vowels. Really Heidegger is the only philosopher seriously to pick up on the problem and Nietzsche before him. I guess there are some Modernist theologians that were influenced by Heidegger, but Heidegger distanced himself from them. I read Taylor Marshall's book and he says Heidegger poisoned Catholicism. What a joke. Humans are altered by technologies. That's McLuhan's great insight -- "the medium is the message". For instance McLuhan says microphones are the cause of demise of the Latin mass.
"Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. Wherefore God also has highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."
Where is God's mercy in Islam or Christianity? For Christianity, Adam's eating of the apple was a surprise to God, so He made it a sin that is not forgiven except by shedding the blood of the innocent. Christians and Catholics exploited it, so they slaughtered and killed innocent blood in the whole world to this day. As for Islam, God knew that Adam would commit a mistake because he was created weak, and when he asked for pardon and forgiveness, he was forgiven because God is Forgiving, Most Merciful.
Islam didn't even get the name of Jesus or Yeshua right and calls him "Issa" and thinks Adam is a prophet. Tell me the prophesies of Adam?? God gives us free will if not it wouldn't be real love. While Jesus was healing the sick, forgiving sin, and making the blind see Muhammad was worried about a child in his bed and was even bewitched by black magic, kissing black stones and doing pagan rituals that is still going on in Mecca today. Sahih al-Bukhari 5765 (Book 76, Hadith 79) Narrated Aisha: Magic was worked on Allah's Messenger so that he used to think that he had sexual relations with his wives while he actually had not. Sahih al-Bukhari 3175 Narrated Aisha: Once the Prophet was bewitched so that he began to imagine that he had done a thing which in fact he had not done. Quran (9:29): “Fight against Christians and Jews until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.” Quran (5:51): “Don’t take Jews or Christians for friends. If you do, then Allah will consider you to be one of them.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 4987). Touching the Stone is one of the things by means of which Allaah expiates for sins. It was narrated that Ibn ‘Umar said: I heard the Messenger of Allah say: “Touching them both [the Black Stone and al-Rukn al-Yamani] is an expiation for sins.”
That's untrue about the surprise. The thrological understanding is that sin blocks us from God. Also, how can God be Just and Merciful at the same time?? He is not a dual character. Justice goes against mercy. The only way is through the justice on the cross, God was able to open the door to mercy. Also in islam, how did the virgin Mary give a virgin birth? Who is the father??
Fr. Pine -- as the Jackson 5 said, you have made the Trinity "as easy as 1 [God], 2 [Processions], 3 [Persons]!"
Yeah that’s gold
Oh Father Gregory, you are beyond delightful. I just love you so much and you make us smarter just listening to you and yes, you are clear, but even when you're not it's so much fun to listen to you❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
This is a very good simple explanation of the Trinity
Soooo helpful! Super clear for the first time. I’m going to listen to it again. Really good 👍🏽
Okay, this is Part I. Part II is due; subject: how do the 3 Persons of the Blessed Trinity interact with each other, and how do they interact with human beings, distinctly, as you clarify they are actually distinct, though 1 God. Maybe Part III (since there should surely be 3 steps to understanding the Blessed Trinity...): how we can make sense of the fact that 1 God is actually 3 Persons... At least an effort toward explaining that (as I understand that it might be impossible for us to comprehend).
Thank you, Fr. Gregory!
From Bishop Barron's channel:
How To Understand the Trinity - czcams.com/video/IqjFe3AoZYw/video.html
His older videos:
Can God Really Be Both One and Many? - czcams.com/video/BMuA0kn1GCs/video.html
The Trinity - czcams.com/video/5l-Lv9tGQwI/video.html
How Does the Church Fit Into and Serve the Trinity? - czcams.com/video/IArnmmwQoDo/video.html
Understanding the Holy Spirit - czcams.com/video/wD71MBo5gBA/video.html
Not the original commenter, but thank you for these references @Lerian V . Looking forward to watch them : )
The Trinity is perfect in unity for which God is love through the persons the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit who is one God, who did not lack anything nor is dependent on no one. Therefore, we are created because God is love and out of love God created us to have a living loving redeemed relationship with God through the Son Jesus Christ who paid our sin debt in full once and for all! Glory to God Almighty!
thank you Father
I was literally just talking to my kids about bad explanations of the Holy Trinity this afternoon, and we (briefly) went over the Athanasian Creed. 😊
Please explain the processions more clearly. I know that God is outside of time, He is eternal. What does being begotten mean for the Son (obviously, this does not refer to carnal filiation) and being spirated for the Holy Spirit? And what do these mean for God the Father (I think that He is sometimes referred to as the Godhead). God is eternal and doesn't change, He is uncreated and uncaused, and the prime mover. How can the divinity of the Son and the Holy Spirit "come" (I use this word loosely) from the Father without there being cause and an effect, or something potential being actualized?
In what way do we mean begotten, originate, or proceed? How is an uncreated, uncaused being generated?
he will never be able to explain his explanation which is totally NON Biblical even his speech contains words from the Bible
Let me give you an example of Sun, as long as Sun exists there is always heat and light, Sun doesn't create it but generates heat and light, so you can use this example to understand eternal generation.
Oh Father... Was there some reason you didn't refer to St Augustine s analogy of being memory + being reason+ being love all unified in one me?
Every bullet point is 'boom' 💥. Who doesn't love this order of the Preacher!!!
Very well explained! God bless you Fr. Gregory you are such a blessing to us all, your infectious enthusiasm, humor and joy brighten our day! 🙏☀️
Praise be to The Father and The Son and The Holy Ghost 🙏 Viva Cristo Rey 🙏
Hallo Fr. Gregory! Could You explain in this context about filioque. What is the distinction (or remarkable) in this ontological sense about the Holy Trinity between (or for) orthodox and catholic theology? It would be very interesting to listen to Your explanation:)
P.S. Schöne Grüße aus Innsbruck!)
I like my elevator pitch. It isn't intended to explain the Trinity, but it hints that direction. I've had agnostics tell me after hearing it that the Gospel and the Trinity make a lot more sense when starting from this point.
God is Love. Love is self-sacrifice: the giving of yourself in such a way as to benefit the object of your love. Love exists, and makes choices, and has power. Love made us to Love us, exhibit itself, and for us to Love it. Love cannot be without the choice to choose otherwise, and that choice can only be real if there are some who actually chose otherwise. In order to be fully the same thing as Love, Christ entered the world and fully gave himself to us to die a humiliating death at the hands of and on behalf of those who had chosen otherwise. Christ sent his Love forward to join with those who chose to be an expression of Love in the world. We have the choice to be an expression of the Love that sent Christ, of Christ, of the Love Christ sends, and to express our love through study, through emulation, and through obedience. What do you choose?
I like that pitch! It also moves "love" from an abstract feeling to concrete action. Jesus is the embodiment of divine love.
An analogy i came up with is this, correct me where I'm wrong: God is like a poem, a poem is made up of its subject (be it a story, a character or a scenery), of its message and of its language/style. These 3 aspects are all inevitably linked together, analyzing just one of them won't ever give you a full picture of the poem, but at the same time us humans can hardly grasp the entirity of a poem at once. The Father is like the language used in the poem, without it everything falls into nothingness and you can imagine the language to have been made apart from the poem (which is kind of what the muslims do), but it isn't: God is the poem not the stylistic tendencies of the author. The Son is the subject, it's what's easiest for us to talk about, we humans are social creatures, we talk we exchange images and ideas through common reference, the Son exists like the subject exists within the poem, but it is inherently more than what it appears to be since its story, its very existence among humans will always reference the rest of the poem (God). The Holy Spirit is like the message of the poet, whether at a conscious or subcoscious level our actions are influenced by the message of the works of art we like the most, they are the engine that pushes our whims in a certain direction, and the Holy Spirit is a similar thing, it's the divine gift to humans to do good things in the name of God's truth, the more we understand each nook and cranny of the language of the poem and the more we get our brothers excited for the subject of the poem, the more its message resonates with us.
I wish there was a different name or title instead of the father and the son because I think that confuses a lot of people. I’ve actually had discussions with protestants that believe Jesus literally is the son of God and not God
and Muslims also get offended that "WTF?!? How can God produce a child?!?!" But in all actualities, these English words are all symbolic and not literal.
Yep one of the big problems with translating Scripture into English. The same thing happens when protestants think Catholics "worship" Mary and miss the Latin distinctions between latria (worship of God), hyper-dulia (worship of Mary), and dulia (worship of the saints). They don't see the hierarchy and treat all forms of "worship" equally.
GOD's reality is spiritual
Human's reality is biological and physical
When I said, my son is my son, you know what is the package, he has my Sir name, blood type, genetic make up, such that if I am Russian he will be Russian also
so when GOD wants to share HIS message to us human, HE uses the language that HE gave to us at the time of the Towel of Babel. SON of GOD does not mean GOD has a wife and JESUS came out of a GOD-mother, no no, it means JESUS is exactly GOD, (John, in the beginning was the Word.... and the Word was GOD)
But Jeuss is the Son of God? The Son of the Eternal Father.
Can u plz explain the word BEGOTTEN? Muslims say it means GIVING BIRTH.
You can get a clue by watching the movie TRON
just the part where the human gets into the digital world he created
not the moral of it
can anyone explain ONE GOD that contradicts TRINITY (GOD) from the same Bible?
I am Christian who is seeking other views
I believe that only the Father is God. God’s personal name is Jehovah (Psalm 83:18). Jesus is God's son. Jesus was "begotten" by God, or produced by God. He is God's "firstborn" (Col 1:15) and the beginning of the creation by God (Revelation 3:14). God the Father, on the other hand, does not have a beginning. (Psalm 90:2) 1 Corinthians 8:6 states, "But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him." Jesus is rightly called Lord since God is the one who made him Lord (Acts 2:36) and exalted him to the highest position (Phil 2:9) and gave him all authority over heaven and earth (Mat. 28:18), but Jesus is not the same as Almighty God. Jesus even refers to his Father on more than one occasion as "my God". (John 20:17, Rev 3:12) In John 17:3, Jesus called his Father in heaven "the only true God."
The churchfathers couldn't figure out that the Father - who is a spirit ("God is a spirit") - is inside Jesus and simply is called "Holy Spirit" by Him (see the Jesus' sermon about the TWO blasphemies - directed to Son and Father - where the Father was called "Holy Spirit"). The Father - who is a spirit - helped Jesus in the desert and also later when speaking. Thus no third person exists.
I've lately been thinking of the three persons of the Trinity as something like three separate offices, each with distinct roles. That helped me understand better why Jesus prays to the Father. Yes, He is God in substance, from all eternity with the Father, but He prays to the Father because that is propper for His office. Though the husband is the head of the family, including his spouse, he is not greater than any of them. Likewise, Jesus isn't less than the Father in substance (He is God), but His office submits itself in love to the Father's will. ... I'm just a lay-person and don't know if this contradicts Church teaching at all, but I thought I'd share.
At the end of the day, like so much of our faith (not surprsingly, I suppose) the Trinity is an impenetrable mystery, and I always chuckle a bit to myself when we go to such lengths (not needlessly, mind you) to defend truths which we can hardly begin to comprehend. We are indeed children in the eyes of God.
My 2 cents: Jesus prayed to God the father because he had a human will, not because his office was separate. And the Church teaches that both God the father and God the son equally partook in creation, as far as I understand. So you don't want to suggest that God the father created the world while God the son just hung out and watched, so to speak.
Father, we need to get on YOUR level. Keep it cool 😎 👉
I still dont understand the term "breathed" here 🤔
Neither do I. I don't understand his introduction on the faith as well, I mean if he is a man of faith and he understands this concept (which I don't); can't he make it just as accessible to those who don't have faith?
THE TRINITY EXPLAINED AT LAST - LOL
THE TRINITY TEACHES THAT GOD ASKED HIMSELF TO GO TO EARTH TO SAVE MANKIND (Jn 3:16)
THEN HE AGREED WITH HIMSELF AND VOLUNTEERED TO SEND HIMSELF TO OFFER HIMSELF TO HIMSELF AS A SACRIFICE OF HIMSELF FOR HIMSELF (Jn 5:30)
THEN GOD IMPREGNATED A WOMAN, WITH HIMSELF SO THAT HE COULD BE BORN AS HIMSELF IN THE FLESH TO BECOME A PART OF HIS OWN CREATION TO GIVE FURTHER PRAISE TO HIMSELF (Jn 1:14 Mt 11:25)
GOD ENJOYED TALKING TO HIMSELF AND STRENGTHENED HIMSELF BECAUSE HE LOVES HIMSELF (Jn 14:31; Lu 22:43)
THEREFORE GOD PRAYED TO HIMSELF AND GLORIFIED HIMSELF REPEATEDLY (Lu 22:42; Jn 12:28)
GOD ALLOWED HIS SON SATAN TO TEMPT HIM SO THAT HE COULD PROVE THAT HE COULD NOT SIN AGAINST HIMSELF (JAS 1:13-15)
GOD WANTED TO BE MORE OF HIMSELF THEN JUST THREE IN ONE OF HIMSELF SO HE ADDED MORE OF HIMSELF: “That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me” John 17:21
LATER, GOD CRIED OUT TO HIMSELF AND FORESOOK HIMSELF AND SACRIFICED HIMSELF TO HIMSELF TO PROVE HIS LOYALTY TO HIMSELF (Mt 27:46)
WHILE DEAD GOD RESURRECTED HIMSELF SO HE COULD EXALT HIMSELF TO THE RIGHT HAND OF HIMSELF ABOVE HIMSELF BY BECOMING A GOD TO HIMSELF TO WORSHIP HIMSELF (PSALM 110:1; JOHN 17:5; REVELATION 3:12)
THEN GOD SAT AT HIS OWN RIGHT HAND AND WAITED TILL HE PLACED HIS ENEMIES AS A FOOTSTOOL “Jehovah declared to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand Until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.” (Ps 110:1)
FINALLY WITH SATAN'S FORCES DEFEATED, GOD WOULD TURN HIS KINGDOM OVER TO HIMSELF SO THAT ALL THINGS WOULD BECOME EVERYTHING TO HIMSELF: “Next, the end, when he hands over the Kingdom to his God and Father, when he has brought to nothing all government and all authority and power. 28 But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone.” 1 Corinthians 15:24,28
GOD NEEDED TO DO ALL OF THIS FOR HIMSELF TO PROVE TO EVERYONE THAT THE STATEMENT THAT HE MADE ABOUT HIMSELF THAT HE IS THE ONE AND ONLY TRUE GOD MEANS THAT HE HAD TO CORRECT THE INSPIRED STATEMENT THAT SAYS: “Jesus answered: “The first is, ‘Hear, O Israel, Jehovah our God is one Jehovah” Mark 12:29; Deu 6:4
THE TRINITY EXPLAINED AT LAST - LOL
THE TRINITY TEACHES THAT GOD ASKED HIMSELF TO INTER INTO HIS CREATION AND GO TO EARTH TO SAVE MANKIND (Jn 3:16)
THEN HE AGREED WITH HIMSELF AND VOLUNTEERED TO SEND HIMSELF TO OFFER HIMSELF TO HIMSELF AS A SACRIFICE TO HIMSELF FOR HIMSELF (Jn 5:30)
THEN GOD IMPREGNATED A WOMAN, WITH HIMSELF SO THAT HE COULD BE BORN AS HIMSELF IN THE FLESH TO BECOME A PART OF HIS OWN CREATION TO GIVE FURTHER PRAISE TO HIMSELF (Jn 1:14 Mt 11:25)
GOD ENJOYED TALKING TO HIMSELF AND STRENGTHENED HIMSELF BECAUSE HE LOVES HIMSELF (Jn 14:31; Lu 22:43)
THEREFORE GOD PRAYED TO HIMSELF AND GLORIFIED HIMSELF REPEATEDLY (Lu 22:42; Jn 12:28)
GOD ALLOWED HIS SON SATAN TO TEMPT HIM SO THAT HE COULD PROVE THAT HE COULD NOT SIN AGAINST HIMSELF (JAS 1:13-15)
GOD WANTED TO BE MORE OF HIMSELF THEN JUST THREE IN ONE OF HIMSELF SO HE ADDED MORE OF HIMSELF: “That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me” John 17:21
LATER, GOD CRIED OUT TO HIMSELF AND FORESOOK HIMSELF AND SACRIFICED HIMSELF TO HIMSELF TO PROVE HIS LOYALTY TO HIMSELF (Mt 27:46)
WHILE DEAD GOD RESURRECTED HIMSELF SO HE COULD EXALT HIMSELF TO THE RIGHT HAND OF HIMSELF ABOVE HIMSELF BY BECOMING A GOD TO HIMSELF TO WORSHIP HIMSELF (PSALM 110:1; JOHN 17:5; REVELATION 3:12)
THEN GOD SAT AT HIS OWN RIGHT HAND AND WAITED TILL HE PLACED HIS ENEMIES AS A FOOTSTOOL “Jehovah declared to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand Until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.” (Ps 110:1)
FINALLY WITH SATAN'S FORCES DEFEATED, GOD WOULD TURN HIS KINGDOM OVER TO HIMSELF SO THAT ALL THINGS WOULD BECOME EVERYTHING TO HIMSELF: “Next, the end, when he hands over the Kingdom to his God and Father, when he has brought to nothing all government and all authority and power. 28 But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone.” 1 Corinthians 15:24,28
GOD NEEDED TO DO ALL OF THIS FOR HIMSELF TO PROVE TO EVERYONE THAT THE STATEMENT THAT HE MADE ABOUT HIMSELF THAT HE IS THE ONE AND ONLY TRUE GOD MEANS THAT HE HAD TO CORRECT THE INSPIRED STATEMENT THAT SAYS: “Jesus answered: “The first is, ‘Hear, O Israel, Jehovah our God is one Jehovah” Mark 12:29; Deu 6:4
WHILE MONOTHEISM IS EVERYTHING WHEN IT COMES TO THE ONLY TRUE GOD ISLAM IS NOT A TRUE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE ONLY TRUE GOD WHO'S NAME IS JEHOVAH
BOTH THE TRINITY AND THE MUSLIM DEBATES CANCEL EACH OTHER OUT AS TRUE WORSHIP OF THE ONLY TRUE GOD AS NEIGHTER ONE OF THEM IDENTIFY WHO GOD IS SO AS TO GIVE HIM THE WORSHIP THAT HE DESERVES: "Nevertheless, the hour is coming, and it is now, when the true worshippers will worship the Father with spirit and truth, for indeed, the Father (WHO IS THE ONLY TRUE GOD) is looking for ones like these to worship him. 24 God is a Spirit, (NOT THE ONE WHO CAME TO EARTH TO BECOME JESUS) and those worshipping him must worship with spirit and truth.” John 4:23,24 "This means everlasting life,e their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Chris" John 17:3
Aquinas talks about not using natural arguments based on natural arguments when discussing the Trintity. I agree with that. But what happens when you are debating someone who does not accept the Trinity - For example, Muslims, Jehova's Witness, modern day gnostics, dualists, docetists, and the link? Are we stuck with keeping to appeals to scriptural interpretation? Or the authority of councils? Or the authority of the church? Reading Aquinas in the Summa Contra Gentiles, it seemed to me that he thought the Trinity ought not to be discussed with non believers at all. Can you clarify how to discuss the Trintiy with none believers at all, as per Aquinas?
You pray for them and walk away.
You have to give real world examples like water can be ice, a liquid, and a gas and the sun is an star¹ that give out heat² and light³ but are the same object.
@Francisco Guada Agreed - but that becomes difficult when the apparent contradiction between God being one in substance and three in person. I know that the persons are differentiated as relations, and these relations do not divide the substance, but Muslims and modern day Arians always assert that this is a contradiction.
@@BibleLovingLutheran Agreed - after a certain point, that is all you can do. Because belief in the Trinity depends on belief in Jesus.
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Although Fr. Gregory explanation is accurate, I think its weakness is that it uses a lot of words whose everyday meaning are very time bound like proceeds. I will make an attempt at explaining the Holy Trinity that I think is less time bound although it may have other weaknesses given that any explanation of the Trinity will always fall short of the actual reality. Before I start I want to give credit to Frank Sheed and his book Theology and Sanity. The first 100 pages of the book is the best explanation of the Trinity I have ever read. Here goes: The nature of God is such that he is infinite in knowledge (intellect) and power (will) and has always possessed these attributes (changeless). Because God's knowledge is infinite, his knowledge of himself is not just an image of himself the way we have an image of ourselves in our mind but an actual person (the Son) who fully shares the Divine nature. Because God always existed and always had infinite knowledge, there is no creation of the Son by the Father. There is simply a relationship between the two persons who fully possess the Divine nature at all times (eternity). These two persons (Father and Son) love one another from all eternity and this love which is infinite results in a third person (Holy Spirit) because love is always fruitful similar to how the love of a husband and wife is fruitful in creating a child except the latter is time bound while the former always is. So there is a relationship between the 3 persons but never a moment where one of the persons did not exist and did not fully share the Divine nature.
“His knowledge of himself is an actual person who fully shares the Divine nature (because his knowledge is infinite)” I don’t get how you go from infinite knowledge to distinguished personhood. I think it is also on the edge of subordination, since your refer to as Christ as the knowledge (of self) of the Father basically, while Christ has all the attributes the Father has (same goes for the Holy Spirit). 1 will, 1 knowledge, 1 power etc etc. without any dependency. “Proceed” and “begotten” for the Holy Spirit and Son resp. do the job more than adequately, since they are applied not as literal terms bu
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Muslims believe we pray to 3 gods
Why should I care what Muslims believe
@@ghrtfhfgdfnfg you should know because you don't want them to deceive anyone you love. They are everywhere trying to deceive Christians. See Dr David Wood, or Christian prince
You never know when your child or loved one will encounter them at school
mystery? Matthew 18:10 (..) Jesus said: for I tell you that their angels in heaven always look upon the face of MY FATHER who is in heaven.
John 5:36 But I have the witness greater than that of John, for the very works that my Father ASSIGNED ME TO ACCOMPLISH, these works that I am doing, bear witness that the Father SENT ME. 37 And the Father WHO SENT ME HAS HIMSELF borne witness about me. You have neither heard his voice at any time nor seen HIS FORM
Acts 5:30 The God of OUR FOREFATHERS (JEHOVAH/YHWH) raised up Jesus
ACTS 3:13 Peter and John said: The God of Abraham and of Isaac and of Jacob, the God of our forefathers, has glorified his Son and Servant, Jesus
EXODUS 6:3 “And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.”
Who’s Jehovah
@@googleaccount4471 The one who resurrected Jesus God Most High, the God of Abraham, The Father YHWH is in hebrew Jehovah in English
@@fidelloza8713 JW? But your Bible has been modified. I would suggest you to read the Catholic Bible once.
@@CanisDei modified, read any bible: Luke 1:32 who is the LORD God Most High the one giving the throne to Jesus the SON of the Most High.
Luke 1:32
“Jesus will be great and will be called the SON of the Most High. The LORD God WILL GIVE HIM the throne..
Revelation 3:21 Jesus said:
To the one who conquers I will grant to sit down with me on my throne, just as I conquered and sat down WITH MY FATHER ON HIS THRONE.
@@carolynkimberly4021 I'm a servant of the one who resurrected his son Jesus, the Ancient of Days, The Father, God Most High YHWH JEHOVAH
The Son proceeds by the intellect of the Divine Nature and the Holy Spirit proceeds by the will of the Divine Nature. Moreover the Divine Nature because of Divine Simplicity and Divine actuality has no parts, composition or any distinction between the internal divine attributes, essence and existence. So what proceeds from God before all creation remains in God and does not become part of God but subsists in the whole Divine Nature.
What about the four relations: (a) Active Generation[Paternity] (b) Passive Generation [Filiation] (c) Active Spiration or as the Great Angelic Doctor would call just Spiration (d) Passive Spiration as same Doctor would call Procession.
Of these four real relations three are really distinct or opposite relations namely Paternity, Filiation and Procession which are proper to each of the three distinct Persons and how the Persons get their names.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
Paternity and Filiation are opposite to each other. The Father gets His name from Paternity because He is Father to the Second Person. Likewise the Son gets His Name from Filiation because He is Son to the Father. Spiration stands in contrast to Procession but not to Paternity or Filiation. Since the Father and the Son actively spirate the Holy Spirit Active Spiration is not exclusive to one Person but two Persons, it is only virtually not not really distinct. The procession of the Holy Spirit is exclusive only to the Third Person.
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God the Father is Being (as a verb). What the Father knows comes into existence. The Father’s eternal Self knowledge is the Son (Being as a noun), and is everything the Father is including person-ness. Likewise the process of knowing which proceeds form the
Father and Son is everything the Father/Son is including person-ness. Nothing exists outside the Trinity.
Thanks for the Gregory for reviewing the historical development of theological reflection on the reality of God as we know him naturally and through revelation. That's interesting, but does nothing to inspire or bring people to faith. The simplest explanation of the Trinity begins with Jesus. If we believe and have a dynamic relationship to him, which is the essence of faith before any reflective dimension about that relationship, then how Jesus speaks about himself his father, our father, and the gift of the spirit sent by him and the father as Jesus says gives us the base of the trinity. You said that sort of in philosophical terms. The historic development of reflection about the Trinity comes to us through Greek Latin culture and mentality that really does not speak to people today. Whereas the Hebrew mentality, which is the mentality of Jesus, does speak to us today because it is a mentality of relationship which we understand readily as Jesus speaks and teaches and reveals. I always enjoy listening to you because you provoke thought and that is very important. Thanks again
The problem is that there are non-Trinitarians who accept the Bible (some change it slightly, though), and they reject the Trinity, they go to great lengths to attempt to find alternate explanations.
John 16,15
[15]All things whatsoever that the Father has are mine. For this reason, I said that he will receive from what is mine and that he will announce it to you.
Galatians 4,6
[6]Therefore, because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying out: "Abba, Father."
McLuhan says the right brain is grounded in the heart. Really it connects up on the vagus nerve and the vagus nerve is activated by fasting. Fasting from thoughts, or not hanging on to them, fasting from food (rest and digest) and fasting from lust, whilst being in a meditative state, with relaxed body and deep slow breathing.
Phonetic literacy biases the LEFT BRAIN. So philosophy, or Reason, has that left brain bias and it's a problem because the left brain doesn't connect back over to the right brain but the right brain does connect back over to the left side.
Really phonetic literacy is nihilistic, that's why with mass literacy, from the print-press, culture turned towards secular atheism. The vagus nerve connects up the organs with the brain. So when that connection was lost that's why the mechanical universe came into being coming out the middle ages. Through humans projecting left brain spiritual disconnect onto nature.
The left brain mind and the right brain soul are not the same thing, but the two became synonymous in Descartes philosophy. Left brain intellectualism took off with Plato and Aristotle. Plato was the first generation educated using the Ionic alphabet, with fixed vowels. Really Heidegger is the only philosopher seriously to pick up on the problem and Nietzsche before him.
I guess there are some Modernist theologians that were influenced by Heidegger, but Heidegger distanced himself from them. I read Taylor Marshall's book and he says Heidegger poisoned Catholicism. What a joke.
Humans are altered by technologies. That's McLuhan's great insight -- "the medium is the message". For instance McLuhan says microphones are the cause of demise of the Latin mass.
Love "pints" but have no time for this guy
"Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. Wherefore God also has highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."
Where is God's mercy in Islam or Christianity?
For Christianity, Adam's eating of the apple was a surprise to God, so He made it a sin that is not forgiven except by shedding the blood of the innocent. Christians and Catholics exploited it, so they slaughtered and killed innocent blood in the whole world to this day.
As for Islam, God knew that Adam would commit a mistake because he was created weak, and when he asked for pardon and forgiveness, he was forgiven because God is Forgiving, Most Merciful.
You clearly know nothing. Careful relying to me as you'll be starting the prayer to Mother. 😉
That's kind of a strawman.
Islam didn't even get the name of Jesus or Yeshua right and calls him "Issa" and thinks Adam is a prophet. Tell me the prophesies of Adam?? God gives us free will if not it wouldn't be real love.
While Jesus was healing the sick, forgiving sin, and making the blind see Muhammad was worried about a child in his bed and was even bewitched by black magic, kissing black stones and doing pagan rituals that is still going on in Mecca today.
Sahih al-Bukhari 5765 (Book 76, Hadith 79) Narrated Aisha: Magic was worked on Allah's Messenger so that he used to think that he had sexual relations with his wives while he actually had not.
Sahih al-Bukhari 3175
Narrated Aisha: Once the Prophet was bewitched so that he began to imagine that he had done a thing which in fact he had not done.
Quran (9:29): “Fight against Christians and Jews until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.”
Quran (5:51): “Don’t take Jews or Christians for friends. If you do, then Allah will consider you to be one of them.”
Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 4987). Touching the Stone is one of the things by means of which Allaah expiates for sins. It was narrated that Ibn ‘Umar said: I heard the Messenger of Allah say: “Touching them both [the Black Stone and al-Rukn al-Yamani] is an expiation for sins.”
That's untrue about the surprise. The thrological understanding is that sin blocks us from God.
Also, how can God be Just and Merciful at the same time?? He is not a dual character. Justice goes against mercy. The only way is through the justice on the cross, God was able to open the door to mercy.
Also in islam, how did the virgin Mary give a virgin birth? Who is the father??
@@BibleLovingLutheran You are going to pray to the mother so that the son prays to the father. Why don't you pray to the father directly?