HiFiMan Arya Stealth Version - Better than ever before!
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- čas přidán 28. 06. 2024
- A review of the latest 2021 version of the #HiFiMan #Arya with the new stealth magnet upgrade, but is it better? Review includes #headphonecomparisons with the #Ananda, #Susvara and @MezeAudio #Empyrean
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00:00 Introduction
05:16 Design & comfort
08:56 Power requirements
11:14 Sound quality
14:09 Arya vs Arya Stealth Magnet
19:34 Ananda vs Arya
24:34 Arya vs Empyrean
30:26 Arya vs Susvara
36:16 Final conclusions
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One thing to remember for all those who are comparing the v2 with the v3. The Arya v3 needs a substantial amount of time (at least ~50-75 hours) to burn in and 'start' to loosen up - just like the v2. When brand new the v3 has a noticeably smaller soundstage and vocals sound sort of close/in the head compared to a well played in v2. After about 50 hours of pink noise their sound-staging, sense of space, imaging, and layering greatly improves and closely rivals the v2. What's different is the v3's has more dynamic bass , better timbre and texture, and a more natural tonality. Plus they are substantially easier to drive. Many have dismissed the v3 over the course of a few days listening without giving them time to play in. They do change over time - just like the v1's and v2's.
I wholeheartedly agree with this! It didn't make it into the review unfortunately, but the Aryas were underwhelming to me for the first couple of weeks. They definitely need time to open up and I'm not normally big on burn-in
The PAD System Enhancer is a disc specifically developed to enhance, accelerate and shorten the burn-in process. It can also be used for session warm up as well. It has algorithms that completely condition all components in the audio system.
@@rkd59 What is this sorcery? And will it make me magnetic?
I'm not one to jump to quick conclusions without trying things first, but the System Enhancer sounds like a poor investment to me.
In their marketing they talk about speeding up system warm-up, but the process described is switching the system on an leaving it to play (i.e. warming it up for an extended period). On top of that, I'm not aware of any reason why an amp (for example) would heat up faster or slower because the full power of an amp is always available and it's the volume setting that controls the amount of voltage going to the speakers, not the sound being played.
@@PassionforSound Did you try the Arya V3 With Schitt Asgard 3?
The dedication from this man is just amazing!
Thanks Topaz!
Simply brilliant review. I truly enjoyed just watching it. great balance between vertical and horizontal comparisons, beautifully wrapped back together. I can almost hear how the these headphones sound from this one. I feel like understand better what I can expect when spending this much, and what this particular headphones where set up to do. This should be a benchmark to how reviews should be done. I had to watch it a few times just to understand the thought behind the presentation and, well, just enjoy some quality audio talk. :)
So glad you liked it so much, Astro!
This isn’t a review… this is art 👏
Thank you TZ!
Well done, you are becoming one of the best reviewers on youtube!
Thank you! 😊
you are my favorite headphone reviewer, your voice is extremely relaxing and you provide many comparisons. there's no one on youtube who goes as in depth as you! thanks so much for the quality content 🥳
So glad you enjoy the content! Thank you for letting me know 🙂🙂
Thanks for your great review and insight.. Used your Apos link to pick a pair up and my daughter loves her hand me down Sundaras that were my daily drivers before the Arya upgrade. Your guidance on power needs is spot on and I actually run about 2 hours lower on Arya vs Sundara on Schiit Heresy amp in low gain mode. Have a SU/H-9 stack on my desk but most of my head phone listening is in comfy recliner next to Modi3+/Heresy stack since at my desk I am usually working and on constant calls and can't wait to get to recliner for power down at end of day:) Also great experience with my first Apos purchase. No issues and got them fast.
Thanks so much for sharing your experiences and for using the affiliate link - it's deeply appreciated!! Glad that you had a positive experience with Apos too as that's very important for me with any companies I link to.
I'm loving these longer videos keep it up
Glad you're liking them! You'll find a bit of variation in the pipeline. Those that need more time will get it. Others will still be shorter. 🙂
Very nice review again. Excited to hear the review for the Soloist 3x GT. Keep up the good work!
Working on the GT review now. Not long to go...
Great review! I really love the stealth Arya! Great allrounder with realistic soundstage that brings what the artist intended! No party tricks!
Well said!
Arya looks absolutely fantastic. I love the idea of a giant planar that have tall perception of sound; i can't speak about any experience with these. It's a bit too much pricey to me, but i could afford a XS (and picked it), so, that's an interesting new headphone in the market that you may be interested! Cheers man, hope your channel get even more recognition it deserves. And i like the treatment with the public, soft as well
Thanks Mateus! I've requested an XS sample for review so we'll see if I can get a pair. So glad you're enjoying the channel!
Terrific review, and appreciate the fact that you're replying to everyone here!
Recently heard the Arya (V2) in a demo and was blown away by its clarity, staging, and ethereal kind of sound. The V3s sound like they'll add a bit of punch, and the fact that they are more sensitive means I don't have to run out for a more powerful amp just yet. I might have to get this one to complement my Verite Closed and my old Hifiman HE-500.
I haven't heard the VC yet (working on it), but the Arya would be a nice step up from the HE500 (which I used to own so I know then well). I'm not sure if you'd need the HE500 anymore with the Arya, but that's an easy decision to make if you own both. 🙂
So glad you found the review helpful!
@@PassionforSound I hope you get to hear the VCs soon! They're fantastic.
I think I might just keep the HE-500s, though, even though most of my listening nowadays is the VC. They've always been a treasured can for me, a sibling of the classic HE-6, and getting rarer to find!
I loved my HE500s and would have kept them if funds allowed at the time.
I'm reviewing the Auteurs at the moment and loving them so can only imagine how good the Verites will sound 🙂
@@PassionforSound Just an update: I purchased these, and they are absolutely fantastic! Clean, clear, wonderfully versatile and a really solid complement to the Verite Closed. I'm really liking them so far. Thanks again for this review!
So glad you're liking them!
Thanks for this!! I really love the 2020 Arya, especially with my FA-10. So much smooth detail and realistic yet expansive soundstage. Then I heard the new Stealth Magnet Version at CanJam SoCal, and I heard exactly what you're reporting here. The bass much was much more present, with more realistic timbre, but still a bit of treble bite that makes the sound exciting. Just contacted Hifiman to see if I can trade mine in for a Stealth Magnet Version...crossing my fingers they won't charge too much!
Great to hear some confirmation of what I've heard given all the varying reports. Thanks for sharing. Hope you get a great deal on an exchange!
Let us know if Hifiman let you trade it in for a good price! I think a lot of people are wondering the same thing.
@@rios8713 They did! My pair was purchased open box from Hifiman in April 2021, and they are offering $300 USD (plus shipping) for the swap with a brand new pair, which I think is more than fair. It’s half the price you would have paid to exchange an HE1000 V1 for a V2, and those were twice the cost of the Arya. I’ll probably take them up on it 😎
Thank you for this excellent review. As a lifelong Sennheiser user, I was about to make my end game purchase from my HD599 to the HD800s, but I have never heard such expensive headphones. You have given me serious food for thought!
I want the abyss TC over hd800s but may end up with the 800s because of the price.
That's a tough call to make if you're buying without hearing, but I'd definitely take the Arya stealth magnet version over the HD800S unless you're specifically looking for an orchestral headphone which is a bit of a sweet spot for the HD800S.
Good luck with your decision!
Very nice, detailed review of the Arya, thank you.
My pleasure. Glad you liked it!
Thank you for the review.
My pleasure
A very thorough and detailed review.
Glad you liked it!
Damn. Excellent review.
So glad you liked it!
I have an Arya "V2" (pre-stealh magnet) and running these on the iFi Micro iDSD Signature. Enjoying this set-up but also considering a desktop DAC and amp. Heard the stealth magnet revision and it sounded good. Considering this more of a side-grade of the Arya. Still prefer the "V2" sound as I found it more pleasurable to listen to. Great detailed review Lachlan!
Glad you're enjoying your setup, Conrad! The V2 and V3 are different headphones, but both excellent so very hard to go wrong either way
Hi, I am also considering the Arya Stealth with the iFi Micro iDSD Signature, from your experience how is the pairing, can the Signature get the Stealth to say 99% of its potential vs someting like the Toppin A90/D90 or Schiit Jotunheim 2 / Bifrost 2 stacks, will be great if you can share your thoughts.
Hi, I'm also curious how well the Signature pairs up with the Arya V2's compared to a very good stack ^
Cracking good review!
Thank you! I'm glad you liked it
you compare well Mr. Lachlan, it's a damn crying shame our ears don't match 100% in perceiving sound signature, but no worries you are doing great work in building a community here, Cheers Sir!
Thanks Ajay. Sorry that our tastes don't align. Hopefully the differences are consistent enough to still be helpful
Thanks for another great review. Hoping you might consider reviewing the LCD-X 2021 revision.
I've been trying to arrange the LCD-XC actually. Not sure where that's up to...
Hello, first of all, I just wanted to say your reviews are really well done. 2nd of all, I have a question. I've been running my stealth Arya with a schiit Magni Hersey and Modi 3+ and while the power quantity is certainly there in excess, I'm afraid it may not be the best quality for my cans. Do you have any recommendations on which amp and/or dac I should look into to get the most of out of the aryas? Budget of max 600 us dollars for each component. Thanks !
Great review appreciate your perspective
Glad it was helpful
@@PassionforSound I’m Hoping you have the soloist 3gt coming soon or already in house 🤫. They have a waitlist for the current batch have held off until you or Sandu are able to review.
Oh I sure do! It's worth the wait, but the wait won't be too long as I specifically held a place in the queue for this one...
I'd say on sound quality alone, after EQ, the arya was a clear step above the empyrean. Even the ananda was on par with the empyreans after EQ. Empyrean was definitely missing some of the resolution and detail that the Arya provides. And although the Elite fixes this, it's still nowhere near being a good value proposition.
I can't agree with this having tried them all. I can understand people not liking the tuning of the Empyreans - they're very coloured and won't suit everyone. The Arya and Ananda both miss some of the subtle midrange timbral and textural info that the Empyrean and Elite (more so) can produce.
As for value, that's very subjective, but the only headphone I've heard that bests the Elite in some ways (not all) is the $6000 Susvara.
How does it compare without EQ?
@@disco4535
The new stealth magnet Ananda, doesn't need eq.
Great review. Is there a difference is detail/resolution between the Arya and the SE version? I am asking coz I am using a 2020 version and have done your EQ settings in Roon and do feel it's a more reasuer listen now but am wondering if I should be upgrading... Thanks
I feel like the stealth magnet version is just slightly more transparent even with the EQ applied because there's a tonal quality from the non-stealth driver that EQ can't remove and it will have a small impact on transparency and our ability to hear fine details. It's a very minor difference though so I don't know if I'd jump to upgrade. Maybe see if someone wants to swap they're stealth (v3) for your v2 because there are those who seem to still prefer the v2
Thanks for you reviews Lachy. I just received by Ananda and they are amazing. Noticeably better than the Sennheiser HD560S
So glad you're enjoying them! Thanks for letting me know 🙂
Hi. Thanks for another informative video. Nice!
My pleasure 🙂🙂
I see that in one of your post responses that you received the Arya Organic and the Ananda Nano. Hoping for a review in the near future. I would be curious on how these pair with the Chord Mojo 2 technically and sonically for portable use if this is included in your amp/dac comparison segment of the review. With the surprising lower impedances of these headphones it seems like a logical mating, technically anyway. Getting ready to pull the trigger on a mojo 2 perhaps. Heard a friend's Arya Stealth and was surprised by the wide soundstage compared to my current headphones that will now be considered an "intimate" soundstage in comparison! Thanks for all the great reviews.
I probably won't specifically use the Mojo 2 in those reviews, but the Nano and Organic are both easy to drive so the Mojo 2 will definitely work well with them from a drivability point of view. After that, it's about tonality and I'll definitely discuss if either headphone needs a warmer or cooler source to sound its best
Thank you for your kind response. Dedicated desktop units most of the time would be up to the task of driving these headphones quite well. My current Burson SL Soloist refuses to let me down to this day (letting the source unit dacs dictate the sonic signature). I know portable units may or not be up to the task. I am very much looking forward to your reviews since they always address the audio gear I always seem interested in, whether I can afford them or not :).
i've been keeping my eyes on the aryas for so long. This year i'm going to get it. It's my end game headphone. Sitting right along with tmy lcd 2c, and the dt 1990 pro.
That will be a great trio!
Thanks for the video!
Right now using the Ananda with the ifi zen Dac v2.
Would the Arya V2 be still a good upgrade if I don´t really want to spend more on a different DAC/AMP?
I personally wouldn't bother upgrading the headphones if you're keeping the sources at that level. My recommendation is normally to match each part of the chain by tier so mid-tier cans with mid-tier source chain. The Zen gear is quality entry-level gear as far as I understand (I haven't yet been able to try it) so you might get modest improvements with the Arya over the Ananda, but you'd be far from hearing their true potential and therefore wasting some money IMO
Outstanding review :D
I have Burson Soloist 3xp, the problem is Arya Stealth Magnet dont have stock XLR cable. Do you think it still can drive the arya well enough on SE? Or XLR still give better sound quality? Thank you.
The 3XP has plenty of power for the Arya and the SE output is just as good as the XLR output so you'll be absolutely fine with it 🙂
Thanks for comparing the v2 and v3. Was only able to hear the v3 and now that I know that the v2 is brighter I would steer clear of it, can't stand brightness and I don't EQ.
Yeah, the V3 is definitely the one to go for if you don't like bright treble
Great review once again, very through and detailed. Makes me wonder if getting the Focal Clear MG recently was the right decision…lol
I haven't heard the MG so I can't help on that one - sorry! Glad you liked the review though and I hope I haven't stirred up buyer's remorse for you!
@@PassionforSound How would you compare it to the Clear OG?
I definitely prefer the Arya V3 overall, but it doesn't have the dynamic punch of the Clears. It's does extend deeper though and is more balanced overall. Both are excellent, but different
Great video as always. Would either the new Arya or the Ananda work well with the ADI-2 or do you suggest I look elsewhere. Im looking to move up from a Sundara
I'd lean towards the Arya because the Ananda has a little more treble which could be problematic with the ADI-2's character. It's very difficult to beat the Arya. The ZMF Auteur would be my only other thought... It's got a more coloured sound, but very enjoyable. I've got a review coming soonish. The Arya is still the more neutral of the two so also a great choice.
@@PassionforSound I'm not familiar with the ZMF, I shall watch out for your review. Thanks Lachlan
Amazing review Lachlan! I picked up the Arya a few days ago and thought your review was spot on.
I do have a few questions though. Firstly, would you say the JDS Labs Element 3 amp/dac is suitably sufficient for the Aryas? To my ears, nothing seems to be lacking and the Aryas can be easily driven to deafening volumes but who knows, maybe they are held back in some ways?
And lastly, if I was to upgrade past this point, do you think it would be better to enjoy the Aryas for a few years, save up and then splurge on the susvaras? Or try other headphones in between the price of the Arya and susvara?
I guess what I’m trying to ask is, is the difference in performance between the Arya and other, more expensive headphones like the he1000 v2 enough to justify the price difference? I had the chance to demo the Arya alongside the Focal Clear, HD 800S, audeze mm-500 and also compare them to more mid-fi headphones like the Sundaras, and according to my perception, I felt that for headphones around the price Arya (and above); this was the point where the better headphone was more about your personal preference rather than technical performance.
Sorry for the long comment.
Hi Mike, glad you're enjoying the Aryas. Your current amp will do fine with them, but you will find that the Aryas have the technical capability to deliver more resolution, soundstage space and imaging accuracy when provided even better signals. It's not about power, but just the purity and quality of the signal from the DAC and the amp.
So, my suggestion would be to upgrade the amp and DAC to see what's possible (I think you'll be impressed) and then decide what you want more of/less of before upgrading the headphones. Other headphones will be different to the Aryas (even other HiFiMan headphones) so it's not a case of getting "more Arya" if you spend more so much as deliberately looking for the elements you're seeking such as more bass, more space, more resolution, less treble, less bass, more mids, etc.
I hope that all makes sense
I really like the way you do your review. It’s detailed and relaxing.
have a question.. I know you tried arya stealth with mojo 2 and ef400. Which sounds better to you and may I know why? I listen mostly to rock and metal but I enjoy almost all genres. I prefer big soundstage, staging, musicality and linear sound (no vocal forwardness). I am sensitive to sibilance and shoutiness of vocals but you mentioned that you can eq the arya stealth with mojo 2 so I think it’s not gonna be a problem. I prefer portability but if sound is better with ef400 with more power, I can sacrifice for pure sound. Hope to hear from you. thanks
Just replied to your other question 🙂
thank you so much 😊
Amazing review, thanks so much for your hardwork, very interesting specially helpful with the comparisons. One small question, Do you think Soloist 3XP with Classics V6 will go better with Arya, than Jotenheim?.
Glad you liked the review!
Both amps are great and will sound fantastic with the Arya. The Soloist will do better though because it's the better overall amp - more transparent, better treble quality, etc.
@@PassionforSound Thank you for you reply, I own a Arya 2020 and had soloist but sold it to a friend who got a Susvara a needed a powerful amp, havent the cance of try my Arya on it, was wonder on getting a Jotenheim instead, it feel like a step back. Thanks again!
Yeah, it will be a step back, but will still sound great
*COMPARISONS usually gives so much info and understanding about headphone reviews.* Question is.. Which AMP works better on which headphones with which recordings?... Good job as always. Thank you.
Glad you liked the review. As for the amp question, it's never so clear cut in my experience. Each amp brings its own character to the sound and that's as subjective as everything else in this hobby. With a well tuned headphone like the Arya, any amp will sound great so it then comes back to your preferences for your overall sound as to whether you prefer a warmer, richer amp or a more neutral / analytical sounding amp
@@PassionforSound Thanks for your informative reply. Any experience with the Violectric 280 FE? As far as I understand being an SSD amp it still has a warmth to it which means it can smooth out my Senn. HD800S spiky treble. I need something more than the analytical HD800S.. I am thinking about Focal Utopia or Hifiman Susvara.. and then again question is: Which amp will sooth both. For now I have Schiit Jotunheim (1). Whats your suggestion? I value your input very much. For closed back headphone I am thinking about Dan Clark Stealth.
I'd recommend checking my review of the Susvara to help with your headphone decision. As for amplifier, I'd recommend the Soloist 3XP from Burson Audio or the Singxer SA-1. The Violectric 280 is also likely a good choice, but I haven't heard it to be certain.
I'd also think twice about the DCA Stealth and check some reviews before deciding. My review is coming soon, but I think there are better options for less money.
@@PassionforSound Thanks.
Thank you for another great video! These are very tempting... However I am not committed enough to music listening to justify the price, yet. Do you plan to review the Hifiman Edition XS anytime soon?
I don't have it in the schedule, but need to touch base with my HiFiMan contact to see what we can arrange
@@PassionforSound Thanks for your reply, I hope they provide them to you for a review!
Great HPs will make many people listen to music more than usual. Like me, haha.
Hello, great review...I use a Mojo2/Poly combo with Fir audio Neon 4 IEM's and would like to extend to over ear. I listened to the Hifiman HE1000 Stealth and was really amazed. Can I ask you if the 1.000 euro extra over the Arya Stealth is worthwhile or does the law of diminishing returns starts to play?
Glad you liked the review. 🙂
I don't know that the HE1000 Stealth is worth the extra because I find it a bit aggressive in the treble. I think it performs technically better than the Arya Stealth, but just gets a bit fatiguing sometimes. I actually reviewed the HE1000 Stealth and HE1000SE here on the channel just recently and included an Arya Stealth comparison
What's the headphone stand you are using in this review? Looks great!
It's a great stand! It's from Avantree and I think it's just called the Bamboo Headphone Stand or something equally as simple. The link is in the description down near the bottom.
This review is perfect tbh
So glad you liked it!
Lachlan, my Arya Stealth Magnet just arrived 30 minutes ago! So excited!
Looking forward to your impressions
What are your first impressions?
Arya
So sorry I missed your comment Lachlan and the question from Hristo. This Arya stealth magnet is my 2nd planar, first being the Sundara. First impressions are that it is very comfortable and well made. However, I can’t get it to fit me exactly, one click too little or more and it’s too little or too much. Maybe I am just not used to this ear-cup shape.
I listen from Apple lossless as well as my own collections of FLAC and DSD files. The Arya is hooked up via 4.4mm to the Topping D90SE and A90 so I listen more attentively to answer your questions. The HP sounds are clean and balanced. Sound stage is wide with good imaging. I feel I am immersed and involved, there’s excitement and energy. Arya has adequately balanced bass, mid and treble so I get what the song is supposed to be ie. If I play a bassy/punchy/vocal song, I get the bass/punch/clear vocals and it sounds like how it should from the DAC and amps I use.
With King in My Empire by Rhythm & Sound, I get the sub, the vibration and the very clear voice of the vocalist (all vocalists’ voices are with this Arya).
So yes, Spanish Harlem by Rebecca Pidgeon must play too. With Jazz Variants from O-Zone Percussion Group, I get the drum hits and every instrument has its place, not mashed together like others. Tracy Chapman’s Give Me A Reason and Fast Car are delightful, staging and imaging all sounds great to me, as do the vocals of Chinese and Korean songs I listen to. Playing Tears In Heaven Acoustic Live by Eric Clapton feels just that, I’m live in the concert “auditorily”. I played and watch this and other live performances on CZcams with the uploads and now, I really am in the concert, with only a tad of details lost. With some of favorites, I get goosebumps.
I listen to a variety so Wanna Be Starting Somethin’ and The Way You Make Me Feel by MJ, Snoop’s The Next Episode punches for me. Joe Cocker’s You Are So Beautiful reminds me of falling in love. All said, I prefer listening on the iFi Zen DAC V2 either directly or RCA to A90 because I like the sound better so now I played The Four Seasons, Violin Concerto by Vivaldi. It’s 2.30am local time now so one last song with Sing! China’s competitor with his rendition of Goodbye My Lover by James Blunt.
I am not a audiophile and am not technical, just love music of different genres. I hope what I’ve written makes sense and is useful for you. I recommend this headphone at this price point, I bought it for about USD1,300.
So glad you're enjoying them! I completely agree about the feel of them not fitting properly, but you get used to it after a while - it's just an unfamiliar pad shape.
Great write-up, Billy - thank you!
@@PassionforSound yeah, I figured I’ll get used to it especially since it’s 420gms lpfeels so light compared the 450 gems Clear MG
I would like to see a review about the EDITION XS.
As always, very good review.
Thanks Thiago, a channel patron is currently helping to arrange an XS for me to try before it goes to him so stay tuned 🙂
Great review .HiFiMan Arya Stealth vs He1000 v2 which one is better ?
I'm yet to hear the HE1k so can't say for sure - sorry!
Ah so there's things EQ can't fix huh? Don't tell that to Oluv 🤭. Sweet review as always, glad to see they replaced the tourniquet with an actual cable. Surprised they didn't consider revising the pads, that seems to be all the rage these days.
Haha. Yeah, the cable is better if not good now. Maybe they changed the foam inside the pads - who knows? 🙂
Oluv would EQ aeroplane headphones
That's hilarious, Steve!
Hi there and thanks for the great review! I hope I could ask some advice from you on DAC and amp. I've decided to purchase these headphones. I'm, upgrading from Sundara using Motu M2 as a DAC and Topping L30 (not Topping L30 II) as an amp.
Do you have experience using these headphones with that amp? Some people suggest that L30 might not be a good match with Arya Stealth and recommend getting a "Class A" amp but I'm not that convinced yet. I've watched your review of Topping L30 as well which sealed the deal on getting it a couple years ago by the way. :)
I'm quite sure that Motu M2 should be enough as a DAC.
Thanks!
Hi John, I haven't specifically tried that combo, but the L30 should be absolutely fine with the Arya. Statements of its need for power are vastly exaggerated and the L30 is a great little amp. Do be aware that a higher quality amp will provide even better sound from the Arya so you won't be hearing it at its best from the L30, but I would still expect it to sound great.
@@PassionforSound Thanks for the reply! I've been using the Aryas for a couple of days now and your review was spot on, such a great headphone. Honestly I like to run them without any EQ. The "house sound" is great for me.
You're absolutely correct on the amp! There's definitely enough power with the L30 and they do sound great. However I'll probably start looking for an upgrade as you suggested if there's something I might be missing on the sound. I've kept my eye on a Sinxer SA-1, Gustard H16 and Fiio K9 Pro since they seem to be not too expensive and are available in Europe. Schiit, JDS Labs and many others are pretty hard to find here. If you have some other suggestions I'm open for them!
Thanks again for the review and a reply!
So glad you're enjoying them, John! The Singxer SA-1 will be a fantastic option and a big upgrade from the L30.
I’m enjoying my Arya a lot. I wish it had just a smidge more lower mid/upper bass. Just a smidge but that can be easily compensated with EQ.
I hear you on that one - it can be a tiny bit too dainty and lacking in presence on some tracks. Glad you're enjoying them!
Hi Lachlan (hope I spelled it right). Thank you so much for making this review. I am looking to buy new headphones and have been considering the new Hifiman Arya stealth magnets and the Sennheiser HD 800S. How would you compare the two? I am not afraid of EQ'ing if I have to 😊
I would personally go with the Arya v2, which is still being sold on the hifiman website. Many people seem to find that the old version has better soundstage; this review is the first i've seen that states the staging is similar.
Edit: I am now doubting the validity of such impressions, after going through the last 2ish weeks worth of impressions that recently came out. See my other reply below.
i have the exact same question except i can use EQ
I’d also listen to focal clear as well. You can pickup the OG Clears used for a great price. Mine paired with an R2R Dac help smooth out the treble a bit. For me the clears were for more enjoyable than the HD800S. I can’t comment on Arya never heard it.
Having heard all of these headphones, the one I would reach for every single time would be the new Arya.
I don't really get the people saying the soundstage is smaller on the new one because the sense of space between sounds is much stronger. I'm starting to wonder if they've been listening with amps like the Topping A90 which flatten the soundstage and make it all about width and no depth - that could negate the benefits of the new model I guess.
In brief and therefore slightly unfair / too simplistic terms, the reasons I'd choose the new Arya over the others are:
HD800S lacks bass and doesn't suit all genres
Clear is excellent, but the treble can be too metallic and bright at times
Original Arya has tonality that's a bit off and can get distracting, plus it's a bit edgy in the treble.
EQ is fine, but it won't fix everything as I discussed in this review. It can't fix the treble quality on the Clears and the HD800S will always have a dryness to the mids and treble regardless of EQ. They're still great headphones, but the new Arya (to me) is a real winner
@@PassionforSound Yeah I'm actually now reconsidering the verity of impressions stating that the soundstage is reduced, because their descriptions can conceivably be attributed to poor volume matching (Drastically improved dynamics, resolution, and the impression that sounds are closer could, to some extent, be a result of a person not accounting for the v3's increased sensitivity + decreased impedance).
I also recently saw that Resolve had posted his initial impressions of the v3, and they seem far more in line with your impression than they do with the early head-fi impressions. From previous experience, his impressions/opinions match my own far more often than any other reviewer, and he makes an active effort to hedge against his biases.
Even the head-fi forum has seen more disagreement recently with the notion that soundstage is a step back.
To get the best out of EQ you maybe should use the waterfall plot. It will show you why something that should be flat doesn't sound quite sound flat and therefore you can adjust accordingly however if you're good with EQ you can do it all by ear.
The waterfall might help, but you can't change things like turbulence of the sound waves caused by the magnet structures. That's where the V3 is able to stay ahead of the V2 no matter the EQ settings.
Thanks for the detailed review, very interesting. I've owned a pair of HD600 for around 10 years! And they have served me well. I am on the hunt for an upgrade and would like something with a similar fairly neutral/warmish and clean sound but with more sub bass and soundstage. Do you think these would fit the bill? Or any other reccomendations? TY
Coming from the HD600s, I think these would be the perfect upgrade (and a large upgrade). They've got similar overall tonality (going from memory), but the bass from the Arya is much more extended. Resolution and detail should also be significantly better, but without becoming analytical or edgy. I think you're onto a winner here
@@PassionforSound Thank you, yes does sound like they could be a good fit for me, I will get a demo booked in!
Fantastic. Enjoy!
@@PassionforSound If you could rate the soundstage of HD600 and Arya V2, V3 from 0 to 10, how would you rate them? I really need more width, my current HD600 are so narrow
@@PashaClip I am in the same situation as you. Could you give me an update of your first impressions with the Aryas when you receive them?
Thanks for the great review. I do have a Arya V2 in combo with a Questyle CMA 600i and a Forza Audio Noir Hybrid balanced headphone cable. If I would use your EQ settings in roon's Parametric eq section. Would you recommend that or would you stick to the sound without the EQ settings? Would you consider yourself to upgrade for the Stealth or would you stick with the V2 version like I have? In other words would you go yourself for the V2 (with EQ) or the Stealth if you were mine? PS: most of the time I listen to jazz, smoothjazz and soul music. Cheers Fonz
Hi Fonz, I'm personally not a big EQ user because it does degrade sound quality slightly (it introduces phase issues and potentially other artefacts from the processing required).
I think the best approach is to decide if you're happy with the V2 as is. If you're enjoying your setup, stick with it. If you find the treble gets too sharp or aggressive then you might want to swap to the V3.
@@PassionforSound So you do not recommend to use the EQ settings you showed in your review above? Concerning the bass, is it true that the stealth has more mid-bass but less deep/sub bass? It also has more mid-tones , less high but a cleaner high as the V2. Also the position of the instruments is better on the Stealth but with less space. Is this the correct resume? I use the Questyle CMA 600i dac/amp. Do you recommend this one for the Arya V2 of what is in your mind the best dac/amp combo in balanced mode?Thanks for your response. No more questions :)
The stealth version has more bass (slightly) across the whole range and less treble peaks. The main treble peak is reduced and the secondary, higher treble peak is basically gone.
I definitely agree with your summary of imaging / sound placement - they're better resolved in space with a better sense of separation from other sounds, but the overall stage might be a touch smaller in width (but better in depth I think)
@@PassionforSound And what is your opinion about the perfect DAC/AMP combo and what for balanced cable brand do you recommend? Do you know the Forza Works cable?
The DAC/amp combo all depends on your budget, but I'd look at a Schiit Bifrost 2 or Chord Qutest for the DAC (without going super expensive) and then any of the following (in price order): Schiit Jotunheim 2, Singxer SA-1, Burson Soloist 3XP.
Forza make great cables.
Hello...
Thanks for the review.
¿What is your opinion about the HifiMan Edition XS, and with which amplifier (discrete or opamp) and dac would you recommend it, for streaming (Amazon Music and Tidal/ MQA)?
Thanks a lot
I've got the Edition XS coming up very soon. As for amps, I'll always recommend discrete so which model just depends on your budget (Asgard 3, Jotunheim 2, SA-1, Rebel, Soloist 3XP, etc.)
If you want MQA streaming then I'd be looking at the SMSL DO200 or Topping D90SE
@@PassionforSound Thanks for your answer!!
My pleasure
Im ready to move up from the Ananda to the Arya, but at the price, i would HAVE to listen to both the v2 and v3 before choosing one over the other. And id be scared that id end up "needing" them both as well if that makes sense. I wish there was a place to listen to high end headphones in my area.
I wouldn't recommend owning both as they're not THAT different. I clearly have my preference, but if you can audition them, it's always the best approach
Thanks for great reviews! I'm quite new to here. I Just wanna a quick question .. could you please recommend the best DACAMP for Arya strealth under $1000? Thanks!!!
For an all-in-one solution, the EF400 from HiFiMan is really nice. Another great choice would be the EverSolo DAC-Z8 or even the SMSL M500 Mk3
@@PassionforSound Thanks for the advice!!!
Hi Lachlan! First off: yet another awesome review! Please keep up
The good work. Secondly: It doesn’t hurt that you perceive the equipment that we’ve both used the (almost exact) same way I would describe them. So you’ve sort of been an extension of when I demo gear 😂 To the point where I actually (blindly) bought a pair of IEMs (Xelento gen 2) after you recommended them - and they’ve been great! Now I’m thinking about moving on up from IEMs to headphones, and the Aryas are too of mind. More specifically the Organic version. So to my questions (hopefully you’ll have time to read and answer, but would understand if you’ve got a lot on your plate):
1. Are you planning on reviewing the Organic?
2. Would the Mojo 2 be enough as a desktop setup or would the upscaling with say a dedicated amp be worthwhile?
3. If a separate amp is preferable, which one would you recommend for a complementary clean and detailed, but yet smooth (on the richer side) presentation (keeping the Mojo as the DAC in the chain)?
I’m not averse to building an tube amp, so if that’s an option I’d be up for it.
The price range I’m thinks is around 1500-2000$ range.
Thanks in advance and please keep up the awesome work mate!!
I am getting swamped with comments at the moment so I'll be brief, but I think I can cover this all...
1) Arya Organic review coming soon, but they're great!
2) Mojo 2 will do well with them, but a separate amp might lift them even higher
3) depending on budget, the Geshelli Labs A3 Pro is a brilliant amp. Next one up from there is something like a Burson Soloist 3XP with some Sparkos op-amps
@@PassionforSound I can only imagine! Sorry to pile on mate, but extremely grateful for all the answers. Sincerely!
Thanks again, have a good one and keep at it - you’re a real resource 👍🏾👏🏾🙌🏾❤️
Another great review. Did you run them on tubes?
I've tried on tubes and solid state (TT2, Sparkos Labs Aries, Elekit TU-8200R, Bottlehead Mainline and others 🙂
Great review.
I’m now considering an Arya V3.
What’s a good DAC+AMP setup to run them from ?
Glad it was helpful!
As for amp and DAC combos, it depends a lot on your budget, but DACs I'd recommend (in order from least to best) are the Topping E50, Schiit Bifrost 2, Chord Qutest, Chord TT2 (also an amazing amp).
For amps, in the same order: Schiit Asgard 3 and Jotunheim 2, Geshelli E2 (on par with the Schiit amps I think), Singxer SA-1, Burson Soloist 3XP, Sparkos Labs Aries, Burson Soloist 3X GT.
@@PassionforSound Thank you very much for the fast answer.
@@PassionforSound Would RME ADI-2 Pro FS B RE work well as single box or would you rather recommend alternative setup? Just thinking if the amp section is good enough.
I'm personally not a huge fan of the RME ADI gear both as DAC and headphone amp. The headphone amp is roughly comparable with the THX 789 so not really on the level that the Aryas deserve.
I'd suggest something like a Schiit Jotunheim 2 or Singxer SA-1 as the amp and then a DAC like the Topping E50, Schiit Modius or Schiit Bifrost (ideally).
Thank you for the great review! I had purchased tha 2020 version about 7 months before the Stealth Magnet version was released so I am a bit bummed. I'm not sure if I am going to sell mine for the Stealth Magnet version. I really appreciate the comparisons that you did. That was very helpful, especially with the Empyrean. I am very much looking forward to your Meze Elite review.! I'm hoping your review will answer a question about Meze's decision to make the ear cushions thinner. Does that diminish the soundstage at all and is it possible to use the Emypean ear pads on the Elite and if so how does that affect the sound and soundstage? Thank you again for another great review!
Hi Greg, sorry to hear about your purchase timing with the Arya 2020. It's a tough call for those in your position whether to upgrade or sit tight!
As for the Elites and Empys, I think I've answered each of those questions in the review. The good news is that the soundstage remains excellent (maybe even better?) not the Elites with the hybrid pads.
Damn, this is super tempting to look into, I'll have to check them out somewhen as I returned V2s for the brightness in treble - in hindsight, I probably should have given them much more time to burn in, particularly mentally. I got Clear MGs instead, which are lovely - but I could see this kind of Arya as a complement if it is that much better.
Any hope of getting Clear MGs in to try and compare to the originals?
These do improve with burn-in based on my experiences with the stealth version. I don't think the V2 treble would have improved enough to make a difference though so you're better off going for the V3 to enjoy a better balanced overall sound IMO.
Focals are a bit tricky for me. It's not to say I won't, I just don't know if / when
@@PassionforSound Finally had the chance to demo V3. Wow wow wow is all I can say. Absolutely adding to the collection - now thinking something was definitely wrong with the V2 I heard. A completely different sound and what a mesmerizing headphone!
I think the V2 is just a bit over-hyped compared to the Stealth version because I wasn't particularly impressed with the V2 either. I'm glad you got to audition the v3 for yourself!
@@PassionforSound After working it out I think I’m actually going one step further - HE1000V2 giving their relative costs are so close with sales now.
I haven't heard the HE1k yet, but many people seem to like it a lot
This review is very very good. Can you compare Edition XS Stealth to the Arya Stealth in terms of presentation/character ? The price difference is more than 3x so Arya Stealth probably much more capable but presentation is a different metric. My Ananda died and i requested Edition XS for the replacement instead. So i'm very curious how is it compared to Arya in this review.
They're definitely on different levels. Both have similar soundstage width, but the Arya offers better depth in the soundstage. I also find the Arya to have a more natural tuning whereas the XS has a very interesting and enjoyable tuning that's a little less natural in comparison due to its greater treble emphasis and flat bass response. Both are great, but quite different
@@PassionforSound Thanks! I plan to keep XS for planar bass and go with more different headphones in the high end market like HD800S.
Sounds like a good plan. You might also want to look at the ZMF Atrium if it's within your budget
So is the Arya better than the HE1000 V2 or SE? Sounds like it, because you ve put them so closely to the Susvara. Its time for an HE 1000 review and comparison to the Arya Stealth! I am very interested in your opinion. btw, I love the eloqunecy and wording of the sound. I havent heard anyone explain it like this. You cleary hear it, understand it, and phrase it very well. Keep it up!
Thanks Weasel! I've actually just received the HE1000 (new stealth magnet version) and HE1000SE so that one is coming in February. It will be a very interesting comparison with Arya Stealth!
@@PassionforSound I will actually wait for this comparison before bying one of these!
@@PassionforSound for your consideration: The brand new HE 1000V2 Stealth just got released. Its been sold in Germany rigth now and first impressions are being published on headfi.
I think that could be a good idea for this level of investment. They are three similar, but different headphones so will each suit different people and budgets I think
Thanks again, you have this rare talent to make videos "dance". Seems like the Arya stealth is getting a lot of criticism for its almost below average soundstage, which is the opposite of the original. Did you experience the same, and did that experience change over time with break-in? What is your take about the source of these impressions? Is it related to the bass increase, or increase of dynamics? Is it a "false" impression, if such a thing exist, due to smoother FR? Many thanks!
Hi Astro, so glad you like the way my content is delivered!
I think those impressions might be comimg from a couple of factors. Firstly, burn-in is real on these. I didn't much care for them out of the box and it took a solid one or two weeks of on-and-off listening before they started to impress. Brain burn-in is a thing too, but that's normally about frequency response rather than the subtleties that changed with the Aryas like soundstage size, sense of dynamics and transient quality, etc.
I think the other factor involved could be the amps used for testing. Josh Valour is commonly cited as an alternate opinion to mine and I know he uses a Topping A90 as his daily driver (based on a relatively recent video at least). The A90 flattens the soundstage depth and makes soundstage width more important because it's the only sense of scale available once depth is essentially removed (at least drastically reduced). If the Arya V2 is a bit wider, which it might be, then that would come through more on an A90 or similar amp. When you put the V3 on an amp with width and depth like the Soloist, Sparkos Aries, etc. you can definitely notice the greater sense of overall space around notes from the V3 because you're now operating in a more 3D space than 2D.
That's my theory on the differences and might be a good guide for those considering both - i.e. what are you pairing them with and do you value width more than depth?
@@PassionforSound Arya stealth it is then! Seems like a lot of similar opinions about the A90 are popping everywhere recently and catching up to your initial evaluation a while a go. Having the Soloist+Composer myself, I was looking for a headphone to match (yeah I got the order backwards..). Thank you, as always!
Doesn't matter what order you do it in, as long as you enjoy it 😁
Awesome review. I am comfortable to buy new Arya. It's so cool that you also compare with Empryean....So I am thinking, should I keep my sundara and buy Empryean or upgrade sundara to arya and also empyrean....or, leave hifiman totally and just jump to Empyrean.....OK, awaiting for your Empyrean Elite 1st, before making the final decision.
I always enjoy you review and I listen to your review as a final thought before purchasing the products. Thanks, really appreciate it. BTW LCD-5 review will be awesome too, compare with Empyrean......
You have some big decisions to make...
If you can hold out for my Elite review in a few weeks, I'd recommend doing that. I don't think the Arya and Elites are tonally different enough to own both (i.e. similar tonality, just higher performance from the Elites). The Arya and Empy would make more sense, but I think I'd just buy the Elite. See what you think...
@@PassionforSound thanks for sharing your valuable point of view
Amazing review! I really wanna pull the finger on a pair but the price hurts a bit.
Yeah, they're not cheap. I wouldn't be surprised to see some pop up on the used market though because some people will buy them expecting the bright sound of the 2020 version.
Nice video, friend. Very interesting.
Glad you liked it!
Amazing review! very detailed and to the point. I subscribe. you're going to be my go to audio reviewer from now on. I am now thinking of buying the stealth (it will be my first planar), unfortunately I don't want to spend a lot on amps, because I just upgraded my gaming setup (GoXLR Mini/ Shure sm7b) and was not really looking for new headphones. any suggestion on amps that are not very pricey? maybe something that, at least can unleash the capabilities of these headphone. also I'm limited to shops that I can go to, the only one that's near me is A2A. I don't like buying things online (when I pay for something I want to take it home when I leave). your suggestion/opinions means a lot. keep up the phenomenal work.
Thanks Geralt! Depending on your budget, here are some great amps that I'd recommend - basically go as high as you can comfortably go in price because each amp is better than the one before:
1) Schiit Asgard 3
2) Geshelli E2 (balanced only)
3) Schiit Jotunheim 2
4) Singxer SA-1
5) Burson Soloist 3XP
6) Burson Soloist GT
@@PassionforSound could you do a similar DAC list please? :)
Sure! My preferred DACs in rough order of performance and price are:
1) Geshelli Labs J2
2) Topping E50
3) SMSL DO200
4) Schiit Bifrost 2
5) Chord Qutest
6) Schiit Yggdrasil OG
7) Holo Audio May KTE
8) Chord TT2 (ideally with M-Scaler)
You can also always click through the link in video descriptions to see my list of recommended products for all categories. 🙂
@@PassionforSound you're the man!
@@PassionforSound Best match for Soloist + Arya V3?
Great review! I have the Arya v2 and you got me very tempted to get the stealth magnet version now. For me the only problems with the Arya v2 have been the (sometimes) harsh treble and the slight lack in dynamics. I would be interested to know how the stealth magnet Arya compares with the HEDDphone, which I also own. The HEDDphone has details for days, a pretty non-fatiguing treble with a quite forward midrange, but also lacks in dynamics and the bass doesn't extend as deep as with the Arya. It also doesn't come close to the soundstage height, that the Arya produces. How was the soundstage height in the stealth magnet Arya vs the v2? Thanks!
Hi Anton, I'm yet to try a HEDDphone so I can't compare there, but the dynamics and overall signature qualities are much stronger from the V3 IMO. Image placement is more clearly resolved in all directions/dimensions and the sense of space between sounds is better too even if the overall stage width is slightly less in the V3
@@PassionforSound Thanks for the reply! The stealth Arya really sounds like a winner, but I was specifically wondering about the stage height. Since I feel that the Arya v2 has this amazing and unique quality to make the sound vast, not only in width but also in height (the Y-axis). It wouldn't bother me as much, if the stage width was to diminish a little, if the sound was still even somewhat uniquely high, which I love about the Arya v2. Btw, sorry if I'm repeating myself here!
No problems, Anton. I kind of dodged the specifics of stage height a bit because I've never found it to be a characteristic that's been clear to me in headphones. I think of headstage along the left/right and front/back axes. I do notice the ability of the headphone to position things correctly in vertical space (e.g. is the singer positioned higher than a snare), but I haven't previously gauged maximum height of a soundstage.
Let me go back and see if I can provide some clarity for you on the Arya's vertical capabilities.
@@PassionforSound Ahh, I see. Now that I think about it, it could just be that the sound itself is taller with the Arya v2, if that makes sense. I mean that I'm not sure, if the instruments are actually placed differently in the vertical axis, but that there's something with the Arya v2 that somehow makes the sound feel much taller/bigger than with any other headphones (at least the ones that I have tried so far). It could just be because of the huge cups and those should make the sound big with the stealth magnet version as well, even if the stage isn't as wide with them. But I'd greatly appreciate, if you could try and hear any differences in the height of the sound between the two versions!
I don't have the V2 here anymore because they were on loan, but I did some listening last night with some tracks that provide good height cues (based on some internet searches) and the Arya V3 performed as well or maybe better than the Meze Elite for vertical size. It's a shame I can't specifically check this aspect of the V2 for you in comparison, but the V3 did a good job with height IMO. The upper most cues were probably in line with the top of my head while normal sounds were at eye/ear level.
How is it in comparison with the HE1000SE? Does the HE1000SE worth the upgrade from the Arya?
I'm yet to hear the HEKSE - sorry!
Thanks!
My pleasure
Really good review. How it should be. Interesting comparisons. I wanted to get Arya but went with he6se v2. Spent aus$ from adorama $800 with delivery with $80 sheep skin pads and $270 audeze headband modification. Using singxer sa 1 with bifrost 2 with chord shawline xlr setup. These are just amazing. Now I really want yo compare arya with he6se :$
Sounds like you've got yourself a pretty killer setup! I'm keen to try the HE-6SE too at some point.
I tried the He6se v2 on bifrost 2/jotunheim 2 with open grill mod and also with sundara pads. Couldn’t get them to sound better to my ears than my Sundaras. Sounded muffled and veiled by comparison. Probably needed to be burned in more but decided it wasn’t for me.
@@Reeeepicheep I have Sundara. There is no comparison. It’s that obvious. The only thing Sundara might have is the sound stage. Burn in for atleast 50 hours. Use all the way xlr no rca and with high gain. I love singxer sa 1 but heard good things about jolethnam. Also try deeper pads with he6se i am using dekhoni sheep skin pads
@@urbenkam Ran fully balanced with Audioquest XLR Water cables. Worth noting I have the latest Sundara and I have Oratory1990 diffuse field EQ on them which I love and really takes it to another level. There wasn’t an EQ preset for the he6sev2 that I could find. I think Class A helps that headphone and also burn in but I had returned it after the first day because my Sundaras sounded great out of the box and figured I’d go for an Elex instead and save for an Arya as my flagship.
@@Reeeepicheep i am glad you found the system synergy with your setup. Sundara are beautiful sounding light headphones. I ghink i will be selling my old version sundara snd hd660s. I am fully contended with he6sev2.
Just about to pull the trigger on these. Do you think the Burson Conductor Performance would drive them/suit them well Lachlan?
I think that will be a great combo! Enjoy!
@@PassionforSound thanks for the reply, will do!
The Arya’s arrived yesterday and are paired with my Topping E50/L50 stack for now while I wait for the Burson to arrive. I’ve been listening to them quite a bit and swapping between them and the Sundaras and am very impressed so far. Looking forward to getting some more hours on them and then seeing how they sound on the Burson. Thanks for the review, it really helped me to decide on these. I don’t see myself upgrading for a very long time from this set up so after a lot of research I’m hopeful and optimistic that I made a good choice.
I think you're in for a wonderful surprise when you hear what they're capable of from the Conductor. Enjoy!
Amazing review maybe you could add lcx 2921 in to the comparison..
I'd like to, but I can't get Audeze gear without buying it and I can't afford to buy so much gear
Were you comparing the stealth and non-stealth versions of the Arya side-by-side at the time, or just going off of memory?
Side-by-side. I'll always declare if something is from memory and will normally avoid such comparisons altogether
Just to add an important comment about the v2 version , changing the pads on the v2 with the dekoni elite pads brings them almost Identical to the v3 .
Give it a try v2 owners you will not be disappointed
Thanks for the suggestion, crazy 8!
Lachlan, what EQ would you recommend for me as I use Apple iOS and Mac. I've thought about Roon but am unsure about it yet
I'm not really an EQ user because I like to enjoy each headphone for its own character. I'm not against EQ - I just don't have any specific recommendations. Sorry
@@PassionforSound, me too. Thought I just try but can’t find an EQ for Mac and iOS
Oh, you mean the app itself? I'm not a Mac user so can't really help.
Nice review as always.. I m going for the arya for a couple or reasons.. The comfort of big egg cups and easy drivebility.. Few weeks ago purchising the sundara i ve finally understood hifiman is the brand i was looking for.. I can only immagine what the arya is
The Arya is a great choice. I've just received the Arya Organic and Ananda Nano for review and they seem to further improve on the already excellent stealth versions
@PassionforSound hey, would you be able to share an opinion please?
I am torn between getting the arya stealth v3, or the new ananda nano. There have been no comparisons between these two that I have found. The price of a refurbished arya stealth is pretty much the same as a new nano.
What would you say, having tested all of them?
Cheers, great video
I haven't done critical listening yet so I can't answer properly, but the review isn't too far off. Sorry about the delay!
@PassionforSound nice. Looking forward to that then. 😀 thanks. And you have nothing to be sorry for.
🙏🙂
@Passion for Sound Would you be happy to pay AU$2000 for these if you were in the market for an upper mid-fi headphone? If not, what would be your pick for what is available in Australia in this range? I am happy to keep my LCD-2 for stuff like Tool and Mutemath, but I really want a different presentation particularly for tracks like Hollywood from Nick Cave and that sort of style. I didn't like the Focal Clear for the metallic sheen.
I definitely think these are worth that. I'd take these or the ZMF Auteurs as my top choices at the price (depending on what you're after sonically).
@@PassionforSound Ended up buying the Verite Open :)
Great choice! I have a review of the VOs coming in 2022, but they're a great headphone
Which headphone are you using to review the E2?
Lots, but a fair bit of my early listening was with the stealth Arya
Starting from scratch with a £3500 budget, in your opinion - what would be the best use of the funds to get the best possible sound? From my research so far - I'm thinking: Denafrips Ares II > Burson Soloist 3X > Hifiman Arya (plus some balanced cables).
But is that the best way to split my budget? Maybe I should spend more on the headphones and less on the DAC and amp (or vice versa 🤯)??
I'm looking for a natural, organic, live sound. Erring on the side of warm/rich (but still clean). Big deep soundstage. Really engaging, musical and evoking. I'm less focused on analytical/reference level detail retrieval. Punch/slam would be nice but not important. I want to avoid a shrill, metallic or flat signature.
I suppose I want to feel like I'm at a live performances, rather than analysing a recording in a studio - particularly with singer/songwriter acoustic, folk and jazz.
Thanks for your help. 👍
I'd personally go for the Bifrost 2 or the Chord Qutest (if budget allows) while keeping everything else intact in your plan. The Ares II can be a little soft on the transients and can take the excitement out of the music. The Bifrost 2 and Qutest even more will give a good balance between the lifelike, spacious and full sound while keeping the attack in the music.
Thank you Lachlan. Great advice on the Bifrost 2 to consider.
My pleasure! Good luck with your purchasing 🙂🙂
Hi. I think you heard the upcoming Meze 109 at the expo. Do they come close to the Ayra Stealth? Which would you prefer? Thanks in advance. Cheers
That's a very tough call. I'd need to spend more time with the finished version of the 109s, but I think the Arya stealth might win out
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Should be close?
Plus the 109 will be cheaper. I like the prototype look.
Thanks again
I'm not sure it will be close as they have different drivers and different tunings. They'll be close in some ways and not in others so I'd hate to get your hopes up based on an indirect and incomplete comparison
@@PassionforSound Thanks. Looking to compliment and in between my Senn 800s and Focal Radiance. Something like the 800s without the harsh highs and more bass. The Radiance is great for Rock and Pop music, has lots of bass and warm mids.
I think the Ayra Stealth wouldfit the bill?
I think the Arya stealth could be a nice fit for sure. I might have another option coming up for review soon too. It's a bit cheaper, but it sounds great so far. If you're not in a hurry, maybe wait for my review of the HarmonicDyne G200. I need to do a bit more testing and compare with the Arya before I can be certain enough to recommend it
Would you say the Ayra Stealth is less harsh than the HD800s but not as warm as the Empyrean but nice enough detail and soundstage.
Are there any good, and reasonable cost, 3m cables that could be used with the stealth Aryas? The 1.5m cable the comes with it is too short for me.
Most cable companies can make longer lengths so I'd recommend finding a local company like Hart Audio, Gladiator Cables, Aurealis Audio, Forza, Double Helix, etc. and see what you can request. In other words, I don't have any specific recommendations, but hopefully that list can get you on your way.
@@PassionforSound 🙏🏻👍
Hi. You recommended 2 after market cables. One was Aposcna you tell me the other brand? Thanks
I think the other might have been Hart Audio? I've reviewed the Apos Flow and Hart Audio cables in a dedicated video if you're interested
Thank you.
Lachlan, any idea where the Edition XS stands relative to Arya?
It's really unclear and I need to get my hands on a pair. The old Edition X was a higher tier headphone, but the new one is priced like an Ananda so I'm wondering if they're replacing the Ananda with the XS instead of doing a stealth magnet version Ananda.
sir, im from India and we like all your videos. i have one confusion in between hifiman arya stealth magnet and sennheiser hd 800 s in terms of detailing, which one is more detail ? thank you very much and appreciate your work have a good day.
Sorry for the slow reply!
That's a tough question!! I think both are excellent in their own ways, but the leaner tuning (less bass) from the HD800S makes it more likely to reveal details in the upper registers I think. I haven't heard them side-by-side to directly compare so that's just my expectations from having reviewed both.
Personally, I would choose the Arya over the HD800S because both are very detailed and the Arya provides more accurate/natural bass IMO, but that's getting into personal preference.
@@PassionforSound Thank you very much for your guidance, ( i will go for arya )we are really appreciate your work, me and my friends are just love all your informative videos. Have a nice day 🙂
Hope you love them!
So many people have been saying the soundstage is massively reduced on the Arya Stealth magnet edition, so I actually just bought the 2020 version. Now I'm having doubts!
I know, it's really hard! I think width could potentially be a little smaller, but depth and space between instruments is stronger on the stealth version IMO.
The 2020 version is still an excellent headphone.
I had the V3 for a week before returning them and keeping my V2 expect focal level of sound stage as a matter of fact I would say now the clears n V3 are more closer together but the clears do a better job of imagining
@@PassionforSound I guess we'll see. I wish I could hear both and make my own choice, but life isn't always that abundant in its riches. In the end I'm sure I'd be happy with either one.
Many of them have not given them time to play in and open up. Any version of the Arya takes about 50 hours of pink noise (or a little more time for music) just to start to open up. Most have dismissed them over the course of a few days - that's not enough time at all.
Burn-in is a big factor on these and something I'm kicking myself for not covering in the review.
I'm also thinking that amp pairings are playing into this a lot too because amps like the Topping A90, etc. will flatten the soundstage and make width more important because there's no real depth. It's the sense of depth that sets the V3 apart IMO so if that's limited by the amp, I can understand people being disappointed.
Hello, do you think that a ifi gryphon dac/ampli can drive this headphones fine? Thank you
Yes. It's got plenty of power for a headphone like the Arya
@@PassionforSound Thank you so much, i really appreciate it
hi...i would like to make you a question..do you think is worth spend for the arya stealth instead than the edition xs... there s a big difference between the 2 or not much.. thanks for your videos
The Arya Stealth is a vastly superior headphone so yes, I would buy the Arya Stealth for sure. (Personally, I don't much rate the Edition XS because the staging has no depth - it's all left and right only)
@@PassionforSound thanks
Would a ifi xdsd gryphon balanced 4.4 1000mw be powerfull enough to run a arya v3 stealth? And does the arya sound a little warmer than the ananda in the high treble?
Yes on the power question - the Gryphon has more than enough.
As for the treble, the Ananda and Arya are different. The Arya treble is kind of equally as present, but smoother (Ananda is a bit spiky) so it's not warmer, but it is less likely to cause treble issues
@@PassionforSound thanks for the information. Was reading so much conflicting stories regarding power. It seems that some advice 2 or more watts to run those (I am not a loud listener so than I will be fine). With either of them, think I’ll choose the arya, I noticed the ananda could be spikey in the treble yes, that would be the right word, if the arya is better in that regard I will audit than one as well)
I hope you love them! The Aryas are a great headphone
smooth dude
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So is it significant upgrade from 2020 version or not? Or minor which one is it? You said it both ways. Also some reviews say new version the Soundstage is slightly smaller and everything is slightly forward others totally opposite WOW 🤯
I know, it's nuts isn't it with all the different opinions.
To be clear, minor and significant are different as I've used them here. Minor means it's not a huge leap. Significant means it's enough to make a difference. So to answer your question from my perspective, it's a relatively subtle change in frequency response and general presentation of the sound, but it's resulting in a shift that's significant enough to consider the 2020 and 2021 models to be discernibly different.
As for the differences between reviewers, that's where I think comparisons are so important as they ground those sorts of statements in some context. After conducting direct comparisons between multiple headphones and the 2021 Aryas, I think maybe the soundstage could be a touch narrower than the 2020 version, but it's a better resolved soundstage with more depth and therefore, to me, a greater sense of space (including width and depth)
@@PassionforSound well I have to thank you for this reply👍so how many hours do you have on your new version Arya I assume they are brand new. Some say that they changed after 50h to a 100.
Thank you again for the stellar review.
@@blejzerosamigos6115 I had the V3 running pink noise checking every 5hrs for sonic difference to be honest i thought it was but after 60hrs of burn in time it really didn't make a difference
@@Josh-os2px There was no difference because no one has ever been able to measure burn in making a change to the frequency response of a headphone. It simply doesn't exist.
@@blejzerosamigos6115 He told me he played them in for about 2 weeks. IMO, they do take about 50 hours of loud-ish pink noise to 'start' to blossom. Mine are now rivaling my v2's in sound-staging, imaging, space, width/depth, and layering. I expect them to keep improving up to 100 hours or more. My v2's kept improving 'til about 200 hours. Also depends on your amp, with discrete and/or class A amps being the most spatially proficient, IMO.
Any recommendations for a pentaconn balanced cable for the Arya stealth?
Probably check out my review of the Hart Audio and Apos Flow cables, Barry. It's a single video covering both options 🙂
@@PassionforSound thank you
Hi guys. I was wondering about the Arya Stealth vs the HE1000SE (=stealth)
I haven't heard the HE1kSE yet so I can't help - sorry!
@@PassionforSound no problem thank you for everything you do
Hey guys, what remplacement cable would you recommend me for the Arya Stealth ? Under $200 aud please
For under $200 AUD, I'd suggest Hart Audio Cables (I think that fits the budget) or Gladiator Cables.
@@PassionforSound Awesome, cheers mate, I'm gonna have a look at those two !
What headphones you mean when talk about that analytical ping point imaging?
It's been so long that I don't remember the reference - sorry.
Which Amp/Dac do you recommend, for some reasonable money " 2000 euro"
I'd probably look at a Schiit Bifrost 2 (if you can get one easily in Europe) or a Chord Qutest perhaps. After that, amp options would be any of these (in order of performance, but all excellent): Geshelli E2, Schiit Jotunheim 2, Rebel Amp (on par with Jotunheim I think), Singxer SA-1 or Burson Soloist 3XP. I'm yet to try the Chord amp that matches with the Qutest, but that would also be a safe bet.
Open question for SE owners who might know: I like many genres, but how does Tool (10,000 Days, Fear Inoculum), and something quite different like Mutemath sound on this version? I prefer a more intimate vocal signature, not something too diffuse. I'm kind of concerned that this headphone might sound a little too diffuse and distant.
I'll let others answer this one as it's music outside my personal taste
Tool!
@@PassionforSound No worries. Do you find the general presentation to be diffuse and distant in comparison to the LCD series?
It's definitely not intimate and weighty like some of the Audezes can be, but it's also ages since I heard a comparable Audeze.
Have they addressed the QA issues? Is this still an issue to consider when comparing to a Sennheiser, Focals or others?
I own almost all of HiFiMan's range and whilst I'm only one data point, I've had no issues. I think the quality control issues might be a holdover from their early days and no longer a real concern
@@PassionforSound I can second that. Even if you do run into qc issues, hifiman support is in my experience the best in the industry.
I owned a V2 for a short period of time and had some issues with the headband. When I contacted Hifiman customer support, they informed me that the headband is not detachable, so they can't just replace the headband. You will have to send in the whole headphones, pay some fee for a new headphones replacement.
@@vincentquy coincidentally thats also the reason I dealt with their support. The left yoke's connector was weirdly flexible, and while that was a relatively minor complaint they still offered to replace it. The only fee you have to pay is shipping. You also only need to pay for shipping to them (they pay for return shipping), and they explicitly ask that you don't insure the package so it doesn't require a signature lmao.
@@nortonfamily6711 I have owned the HE4xx, Sundara and Arya now and while I feel the best build quality of the bunch was the Sundara for sure, they have all been solid with zero issues.
That being said, due to the past QC issues, I have always purchased new from a retailer in case of issues.