Are Hard Drives Still Worth It?
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I still have a pc in my house with a mf CD drive and they’re talking about if HDDs are still worth it
I have an IDE converter for 3 1/2" floppy drive, you NEVER know
did hdds go extinct or sum because everyone pc in my house still has one lmfao
Yea But can it play crisis
@I LOVE EVERY SINGER please s up
Yes cd drive is still worth it for windows xp/7 pc for retro games
4:49 I love little touches like that 😂
Yeah, I rewound that one once or twice to double-check.
Exactly lol.
: )
I panicked when that happened rofl
Wtf I thought it was my PC. I closed down my most favorite program: Teams.
I smashed my table in half!
"When I was a kid, SSDs barely existed."
Welp. Thanks for making me feel old today. When I was a kid, HDDs barely existed. In fact, they didn't exist at all for personal computers. The storage media of choice was a cassette tape.
Yes, my first computer as a kid was a commodore 64.. now I have a Dell G15 5800H and 3060 Laptop 😊 oh how times have changed
When I was a kid, SSDs didn't exist at all. According to Wikipedia, I was in fifth grade when SanDisk intro'd the first one to the market. Even the *concept* of an SSD is barely older than me, dating back to about three years before I was born.
When I was a kid, it was reel to reel.
Lol, was looking for this comment... When I got a 20MB hard drive I was on top of the world!
When I was a teen, I had my first PC. Cyrix P200L, 16 MB EDO RAM. 2 GB HDD. S3 Virge DX 2 MB. That was in 1997.
Swap files was necessary back then. These days, does anyone's PC uses the swap file?
Hey, I am old enough that when I was a child there were no SSDs at all. I am in my 40s and so you can imagine all of the computer tech that did not exist yet when I was born. Some of the computers back then didn't have 100 MB or more hard drive space. Back then terabyte hard drives were unheard of and were still a thing of science fiction.
I am 20 but i have 2 old laptops with HDDs…i use one of them as an external drive for my new laptop, xbox and TV…yes its only 500gb and is from a 2009 laptop its still does the job …SSDs are just useful for the OS and memory hungry apps like games or MATLAB…256gb ssd is massive ..the rest can be HDD
I’m 43. I still listen to cds. 100% HDD are still worth it for huge data storage & backing up data.
when I was a child there were not any HDD's .. everything went onto floppies. or tape
Mate, I am 50. When working mid-level IT I stole an 80GB HDD from work and showed my friends... they were in awe!!!! At the time, 80GB was... insane.... Now I throw USB sticks that size in the bin!
@@ryanjofre Most definitely. A hard drive won't lose the data after a few years the same way a NAND flash chip might. SSDs may be faster but hard drives are better for long term storage. The only downside is you must be careful never to drop them or there is a chance it is useless from that point on. Even if it still works after there is still no more guarantee on its long term reliability from that point on.
4:52 was an excellent touch. Had to rewind multiple times to make sure that my phone wasn't acting up..
Props to the editor. That was subtle trolling done well.
yeah, they do it all the time in techquickie
I deadass thought it was youtube too 😂🤣
Wow those stutterings at 4:52 are such a nice editing touch.
Oh yes! Was just seeing this xD
I thought it was my phone :"
@@arya_s_nugraha same
I wanted to break something
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It was worth it in my case. My mom's workplace threw out some old pcs, and I salvaged two 750GB Seagate Barracudas to use in my new build. I have an nvme for my boot drive and art software, but my games are on one HDD and my files and random crap are on the other HDD. Quite a cost-saver, and they work fast enough for my purposes.
SSDs are really cheap now, I wouldn't recommend storing games on an HDD
@@b4ttlemast0ri wouldnt, but op seems fine plus those were free drives
@@mlee5366 same situation im in, just bought a pc second hand, using a m.2 drive to boot but had 1.5tb over 2 old laptop harddrives I repurposed.
Those shoulda went into the garbage.
@@EricGraham1987 He could also have considered making a RAID 0 setup for extra speed, but he might have already been going somewhere.
Try this: Put a mechanical HD and a SSD with no power on a shelf for 5+ years. I have done it for 10+years. All my mechanical HDs worked even ones from 1995. The 3-5 SSDs did not. They could be reformatted and used but left with no power they degrade. So for long term storage don't put a SSD on a shelf with no power, they don't hold data as well as old fashion but more reliable spinning Hard drives.
Actually that can happen in 1 or 2 years according to the manufacturer
and from what I'm getting, the very very old tape drives are even better than hard disk...but only if its for archiving purposes. Loading for even old 1990s games with tape drives would take ungodly long time.
@@linkfreeman1998 I had tape drives in 1980. Those did not hold up well. One bad spot on the tape ruined the load. And I had lots of them go bad early. None were as reliable as my floppies and certainly not close to a mechanical hard drives. I can still reacreat the floppies from images still have disks and drives. I would guess the 5 1/4 floppies were good for around 15 years -+ depending.
Anthony is slowly taking over LTT, he started with being amazing and loved by everyone and now he started to drop things and LTT store references are more often than ever
I love watching Anthony over Linus
felt the same. I changed Anthonys voice in my head for Linus and it feels more natural. Anthony deserves to make longer and more in depth videos with less ltt water bottles.
but what about our guy RILEY
champ he is
LTT???? Surely you mean ATT???
Agree, Anthony just comes across as super likeable. Plus the amount of knowledge in his head...probably the most knowledgeable person on the team
Oh Anthony. Thank you for being you during times like this
true Linus sucks
Anthony is one of the best people in the LTT crew, he is so knowledgeable about everything he covers.
@BILLIE SAYS DUH no
How did you comment 6 minutes ago? The video got posted like 2 minutes ago.
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I'd love to see the reliability issue discussed in more depth. Obviously HDDs are more prone to damage from shock and drops, but sat securely in a desktop or a server environment, I always personally feel safer using HDDs for backing up files because they tend to fail in a mechanical fashion whereas SSDs fail instantaneously, at least in my experience.
By this, I mean that if a HDD starts to die, it generally gets slower, throws SMART errors, clicks, refuses to spin up but eventually does after some praying and coaxing, but in my experience a dead SSD just... dies. I always feel somehow safer in knowing that in a fire, flood, or normal failure, there's at least some mechanical repairs that can be done to a HDD that might get my data back, but I don't feel so secure about SSDs. If I'm wrong, I'd love to know, but it's for this reason I always use SSDs as primary storage and HDDs for backups. It'd be nice to know if my thought process is actually justified or just superstitious.
Engraving data to a physical disc is something i tell my parents to do, i even burn their backup to m-disc cd’s. As i do with my photography. I do tell them ssd’s are awesome until that one particular day of horror. I want to see photos of me when i was younger and guess what… they’re stored on an external ssd of my parents. Just scares me most people don’t understand what they have and which can change lives if it dies and memories are gone.
everybody talks how they love micro SD and SD cards but from my experiance SD and micro SD cards are the thing that corrupt THE MOST on me! i even used a bad GECKO code on the wii and it corrupted the whole card.
@@RadekZielinski.True ❤
how do i take care of my HDD? it always winds up dying. is it because i download too much? @@nightmarerex2035
As a boot drive for your OS, use an SSD.
As additional internal storage for when speed is not as big of a concern, use a HDD.
Pros:
HDDs are at their best when accessing large files sequentially.
HDDs can come in massive capacities for cheap. Much cheaper per GB than an SSD.
Nearly unlimited read write cycles through the drive’s lifespan.
Modern drives are pretty reliable if they are kept cool and kept in a stationary place. They are obviously not as robust as SSDs.
Cons:
HDDs are more fragile than SSDs. HDDs tend to not last as long in portable environments where they are tossed around often like external drives and laptops.
HDDs are slower than SSDs especially in random access.
HDD failures occur due to them being a mechanical device. Mechanical machines will inevitably wear out. They will typically slow down considerably when a drive reaches the end of its life. Failures can be accelerated or caused by overheating, mishandling the drive, sudden impacts, or old age and wear and tear.
HDDs make noise while SSDs are silent. However, modern HDDs are pretty quiet but obviously not dead silent like an SSD.
HDDs consume more power and produce more heat. For laptops, this is a big deal since battery life and heat is a big factor.
SSD pros:
Super fast. Great for boot drives or any computer. Considerably faster boot times and game loading.
Smaller form factors like M.2 allows for easy packaging them on thinner laptops.
SSDs are considerably more robust than HDDs, making them ideal for laptops and external drives that get tossed around in a backpack or something.
Low power consumption. Less heat. Ideal for mobile devices using batteries. Using an SSD would increase battery life.
Totally silent. No noises from spinning platters and moving heads from an HDD.
Cons:
High cost per GB compared to HDDs
Limited write cycles. After a block has been overwritten so many times, that part of the memory begins to degrade and data can no longer be written to that block. They can be read unlimited times. Luckily, it takes tens of thousands of write cycles to cause any problems. When an SSD drive fails, it will become extremely slow like it went into a “limp mode”, allowing you to backup your information before the drive fails if you are lucky. Higher quality SSDs typically have more write cycles than flash media like flash drives or SD cards.
Degradation of the memory chips can cause data loss, corruption, or a complete drive failure. Over time, memory models can degrade until they become nonfunctional. This phenomenon can be attributed to the quality of the modules during and after the manufacturing process. The silicon and other components may decay that in certain chips, depending on how they were made. Fortunately, this phenomenon is largely attributed to old age and is therefore not a great concern. Time will tell.
HDDs become slow when accessing hundreds or thousands of little files scattered all over the disk, such as when booting to Windows.
For gaming, an HDD will work, but be aware that your loading times won’t be nearly as fast as an SSD.
When an HDD is used as a boot drive, the drive is often so preoccupied with seeking all these little files while loading in Windows, and programs or files will be slower since the drive can’t keep up with the demand. SSDs are a clearly superior in this regard.
This man’s so clear, the captions catch every word
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Epic
It's the first time I see a miracle like this
One of Anthony's many strengths.
Very good diction and tone - if the linus gig flops he has options
4:52 I see what you did there.... I thought it was my internet lol
same lmao
I thought it was my phone glitching lmao
@@prayagkrishna Yeah i was playing it in 4k and i got serious about what he was saying
shoutout to Nicole Yuen for editing that; a little goes a long way lol
What I like about hdds vs ssds is that with ssd's you know that everytime you write to the flash, you decrease the lifespan.
The ssd will reach the end of their lifespan in 5-6 years way before the hdd can even open an average triple A game.
@@Riyozsumost aaas are trash anyway
Anthony makes the best content by far, you can by the ones he is in or the ones he has written or directed. Information is so cleanly laid out and organized.
i love how they added the intentional stutter at 4:52-4:55
@@Itsmeyourbuddyguy No stutter here dude.
i had to double check so it wasnt my computer just in case lul
There was me thinking it was my dying phone all along
Lmao
@@Netlogic. its purposely made bro
Wouldn't be an LTT video without something being dropped 😂
hello jake
Ok
@I LOVE EVERY SINGER stfu
Haven't watched the video yet but... I'm ready for it
@@MaxCE Hello
Anthony should have mentioned that HDDs are better for long term data storage (like photos and videos), despite having a shorter working life. That's because SSD memory can slooowly "leak" over time, leading to data loss, whereas HDDs don't have that problem.
Of course, don't put all your file eggs into only one HDD basket, make sure you have at least one other copy of your files on another HDD, preferably separate from your main system!
BUT we don't KNOW(know) that yet...
Hey! Samsung 840 PRO in early 2013 here!
This is only a concern if the drive is unpowered. What kind of NAS is offline for years?
Anthony is literally growing in front of our eyes in terms of presentation quality if you look at his first videos and now. Legit enjoying his videos. Go Anthony!
@Cuddles 😂😂
Not degrowing
The fact that hard drives are so incredibly cheap now for a TB or so makes it kinda worth it for storing stuff such as games or documents or music
Yeah, I can get a 1TB HDD for 38eur. A 2TB one will be 50eur.
For 38eur you can get a Adata 256gb SSD or a Crucial BX500 240gb.
For 50eur you can get a Innovation IT M.2 (Sata) 480GB SSD, or a Sata 512gb SSD.
Yeah like you can pretty easily find a 2tb hdd for like 40$. Can't say the same about an ssd.
Yeah, for anything that you don't plan to access frequently, and that is sequential in nature (i.e. the data is one long file, like a movie etc.), HDD's are fine, especially with the current cost per TB - for the price of a 2TB SATA SSD (not NVME), you can get a 4 or 5TB HDD, so we're still not quite at that point.
Other points to consider include things like write heavy workloads (i.e. backups), which will fare better endurance wise on a HDD,
Bruh your games will perform like poopoo
Yeah, massive libraries of music, videos and photos fill up the ssd space at an astonishing rate. As ‘unwieldy’ as big hard drives feel seem due to their limitations, sticking a massive capacity hard drive in your pc solves so many problems.
It’s true that SSDs have become cheaper but people often forget just how big the sizes of videos and photos have become in recent years.
Anthony is like that 1 cool guy in your friend circle, who helps you no matter what.
Anthony is the best.
I like him but I bet he is cocky AF
@@pinponfer how so, i havent seen that in videos.
I think you're mistaking Linus for Anthony. Linus always comes off cocky. Anthony is polar opposite.
He is that guy who stole your sandwich from the employee fridge. And still ate his own lunch from KFC.
even 2 years after, an 8Tb hdd costs the same as a 2Tb ssd here in italy
Much love for Anthony as a host. He’s calm, warm, clearly spoken and clearly has a wealth of knowledge beyond the levels he’s talking about.
I loved the ‘Not an SSD’ as writer and producer in the credits. That’s a nice Easter egg :)
4:50
Editor appreciation
They actually stuttered the video lol
I had to reload a few times before noticedit was edited in
Yeah I was worried then i replayed it so I was like wow nice
@Status1200 I was eating while I watched so I missed that detail. The quote comments are annoying, but this was helpful.
@Status1200 You don't have to be an ass lol
@@UrokLizard I only had to skip back once because at the first playback I thought "did they really just did that?", and yes they did.
"A drop of just a few feet could be enough to render it inoperable"
Jokes on you my hard drive doesn't have feet
@@Nighterlev mine don't drop, they get thrown
Then how is it supposed to drive with no feet
jokes on you mine has meters
Mine drops...ThE bEAt!a!!!!
@@106640guy With wheels?
Or did you mean the cars from Flintstones?
I really like the hybrid SSDHDs, but they haven't been progressing. The idea is that you have a large spinning hard drive with a smaller SSD cache, so you get the benefits of both SSDs and HDDs because an algorithm is making sure the most often used files are in SSD cache, while the older files are on the cheaper HDD platter. These drives can also completely spin down when idle unlike pure HDDs.
There's software that lets you use an SSD as a cache for a larger HDD. Sshdd are unnecessary nowadays.
@@Guru_1092 there's problems with that. For example, with my current main laptop have three drives: my Windows boot SSD, my Linux boot SSD, and my storage ssdhd. As it is right now, the SSDHD seamlessly takes care of the caching so I don't need to, but none of the other options are good. I can give up an m.2 slot to go with optane, or I can do software caching and give up on access to that drive from one of my OSes...
@@Guru_1092 problem whit that is a SSD+HHD takes up two slot spaces (be it physical space in a laptop, or ports on the motherboard.
so I can see a market for a good SSD+HDD (SSHD) problem is that what we got is a SSD that is way to small to use for anything and a HDD that is way to expensive.
like the cost of a 500GB SSD and 4TB HDD is 1/2 of the SSHD that is only 64GB of SSD and 2TB of HDD. meaning that on all benchmark you got a terrible combo solution.
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I use a 2TB SSD for my OS and all my files. I also have a 6TB HDD which is used only for system backups with Timeshift, and spends most of its time spun down. The lower speed is tolerable for this purpose, especially for only $120 US, and unless it's actively backing up or restoring, it may as well not be there in terms of heat and noise.
Are HDD still worthy?
Me, a poor guy from third world country: *You don't need to ask, you already know the answer*
Yeap a 512gb SSD cost me a whole month salary
@@bruh-cv7ec
Platinum, please,
Gold is so past value for Tyrants and Corrupt Government's
i use a small ssd just for OS
I feel your pain
Yes, if you want to stroe 30 TB of games and movies you have to use HDD
My pre-opinion at the title card: Yes, how else am I going to store my 15tb of... media... in a cheap manner?
and its not like i need to access my... media... super fast, either! i like to take my time and savor it
this video lacks some essential details... 1TB SSDs are cheap compared to HHDs, like less than double the price... but try to move past that and the price of SSDs skyrockets... and past 4TB it's not even an option....So if you need a big drive (in my case I need 6TB to put my 5TB onedrive folder) your only option is a HHD. Of course we are talking desktops, not laptops...
“media”
yeah but LTT is all about gamez, so all they care about is loading times, not how you're going to afford to replace your 16TB fileserver with an NVMe
@@_Digitalguy 1tb SSD's aren't cheaper, it's around $80-$100 for one while $20-$30 for a 1tb hardrive
Still the big problem with all SSD's is that when they die - all your data is gone with zero chance of recovery, and it happens in an instant. HDD's have still the advantage that they tend to die slowly giving you plenty of warning.
So I use both - not for speed or economy more for data security - and yes, I back up everything but that's not always 100% foolproof either.
I also have both..
The files of the SSD I do copy frequently onto the HDD, and I also do a backup on an external HDD..
So the super important files are saved on 3 locations..
Never had that issue. When my ssds had died they swiched to read-only mode. I couldn't boot from them for the said reason but all the data was still there.
@@user-ky9qn4pg3w this, when an ssd is getting close to dying, instead of just randomly not working, it'll basically only let you read from it, which is less work on the ssd, and you can then use that time to back up any important data from the ssd onto another one. Plus they last wayy longer than HDDs so really I still think the only reason to get hard drives these days is cheap mass storage like for a nas or maybe a secondary drive in a computer.
Gotta always follow the 3,2,1 rule. 3 backups (mininum), 2 backup copies on different storage media, w/ 1 being offsite
@@user-ky9qn4pg3w This is not my experience with two failed SSD drives. They simply quit, I could still see the file directories but they could not be read from.
Hi Anthony, thanks for the video. As I was searching for information on external drives was glad to see you as a choice. I like you and how you present information.
Anthony is now an honorary Sword of Sangheilios. Welcome aboard, Brother!
Elite brother!!
RRAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!
@@HornettsNestt Hello brother!
@@arbbus6709 Ahwobbudagh!
Ogh ogh ogh!
Linus to Anthony - How many ads do you think we can get away with in one 7 min segment??? Anthony to Linus - Give the segment, I'll do 4 and they'll barely notice.
“I’ll even drop something so I meet my weekly quota.”
Imagine not using Adblock.
@@briannaodonnell6149 brave
@@briannaodonnell6149 I think he meant ads done by Anthony himself of which adblock doesn't do squat obviously.
@@Cyba_IT I skip through that stuff as well, so yikes I guess.
Thanks, you helped me a lot Mikel. You are the best
This guys public speaking skills are silky smooth!
@@Nic1963D sad but true, would hate to lose him too soon
@@Nic1963D yep, he should be starting a diet and exercise for him to prolong his life
@@Nic1963D yes i could see his a bit struggling posture. I care about anthony. I hope he sees this comment
Just as smooth as his fingertips, apparently.
You know, when he _wants_ to drop something.
If you guys knew this guy you would know he wants to and is trying to lose weight he's already changed his diet and acknowledged he has alot to do. You guys must not watch this channel much 🤷🏽♂️ chill
Anthony: "Are HDDs still worth it?"
/r/DataHoarder: "Am I a joke to you?"
How else am i going to store my 35TB of linux isos?
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說到食物，不要以為那些被拒絕的人只吃垃圾。相反，他們學會了在被忽視的肉類和蔬菜中尋找營養。他們學會了清潔，切塊，調味和慢燉慢燉的野菜和肉類，在食品市場上被忽略的部分家用蔬菜和肉類，並且學會了使用芳香的木煙（如山核桃，山核桃和豆科灌木 來調味g食物煮的時候 1616933110
i'm only up to ~200tb, but yes...there's no way i could be a member if ssd only.
@@UwUshun Last drive I bought was a 4 TB SSD. There's 8 TB drives too. It's not cheap, but it's great for TB per physical space density.
@@Skrotislol I have two shitty SMR 4TBs, plan on switching them to shucked 12TBs and using the SMR drives as cold storage.
Andrew just explain things so good
I love it
I so love your voice and how you present, Anthony. Keep it up
Anthony is so chill! Thank you for not yelling and being intentionally obnoxious like so many tech hosts!
Like madison
ZwiZ Town B0ss I still like Madison. She's a good addition imo
@@TheDiverse3 yeah madd is chaotically chill.
like Riley
Like [insert random tech host name here]
4:52 the fact the editor stuttered it is amazing
or is it that your using a hardr drive.................
ingenious move there
They're great for storage and backups, especially if you record and edit footage. For programs you need to constantly launch or gaming they're completely outclassed by ssd's though.
The editing at 4:50 segment was so good holy shit
Me: Looks over at my PC with 7 TB of HDD storage and hundreds of games, “yeah, it’s worth it.”
Trumps that by looking over my 50+TB of WD HDD storage for my files.
@@IraQNid Is that in your work machine or a dedicated home server?
Those like me who doesn't like to delete games, a large HDD is a must
@@spac18 1 TB SSD for the OS and my favorite games and an additional 7 TB over two HDDs for everything else. It's glorious compared to the single 1 TB HDD I had in my previous build.
i totally agree! i have a total of10TB storage with hundreds of games installed, the hdds must be older than a decade by now , and everything works perfectly! i was one of the very late adopters for ssd, and i have one where my win10 is installed, but for me , who primarily uses his Skylake6700K 16GB PC for gaming, i never understood all the rage about them...NOT ONCE did i EVER feel that my game (ANY game) runs or loads slowly, because of my hdd speed. And i am not talking about non-demanding games either (Witcher 3, Odyssey, Division 2, Control, Crysis 3 etc.) not once did i ever feel that my hdd speed was the limiting factor in my gaming (if anything, my GPU was- a GTX 1070 that feeds my Gsync 3440x1440 monitor)...when i first bought my ssd , i impatiently installed a couple of games to see the "night and day difference" that was reading about in forums for years...and i was disappointed to say the least. For many games, the difference was negligible, and for others, well, for me personally, i couldn't care less if a game loads in 7 seconds or 15.....especially if with the price of an ssd i can get a shiny WD Gold of a much bigger capacity! Hell, i have AAA games installed and running even from a 5400rpm drive and i find performance totally acceptable!! So, there is either something wrong with my perception, or my expectations from my pc performance are extremely low!!
Joking aside, i am more than happy from all my 10y+ hdds and i never understood all the rage of gaming from an ssd , even when i got one....
Maybe PS5 architecture will really be a game changer, who knows...
A couple of things they didn't mention in this video.
1. The cost savings only increase as you the drive size goes up. You can get 8TB HDD's for about a quarter of the price of a good 4TB SSD and if you're storing movies, images, music or even any game made before about 2013 there's almost no performance to be gained from SSD storage.
2. Noise can also be easily mitigated by using a NAS setup and sticking it in a closet, with the added bonus that you can access the files from any device you own and even over the internet without worrying about whether your data is being sold to advertisers.
There's a reasonably compelling argument that your desktop or laptop shouldn't contain an HDD in current year, but HDD's still have a useful niche because most files don't benefit from an SSD's increased speeds. Using an SSD to store music, images or even 4K video is simply a waste of money. As always with PC building, there's no such thing as a bad product, only a bad price, and HDD's are still well priced for many jobs.
3. The differences between shingled (smr) and non-shingled (pmr/cmr) hdds.
You really don't want a smr drive as your Windows boot drive or in raid configs.
Yea right. RAID 0 2 hard disk setup is TWICE as likely to fail too. Sometimes it is not about the cost of hard disk, if things go wrong, data recovery is very expensive . Dont be penny wise, pound foolish.
I think one reason that strongly discourages me from using NAS is that the speed with which I access the files in NAS is similar to the speed I download them from a cloud drive... It kinda defeats the purpose of using HDD as data storage for me, because the transfer using HDD directly is usually at least 6 times faster than downloading from a clouddrive, with a top bandwidth, i. e. HDD directly linked to a PC is 6 times faster than NAS.
@@burritoszhu Valid point, but it depends what your use case is and what speed your LAN setup is.
For example my main use cases are
1. Streaming 4K video
2. Storing office documents
3. Accessing both remotely
For that a regular 100 MiB LAN is perfectly adequate. Office files are too small for me to notice the speed loss, and large video files are streamed as I watch them, so the lower speed doesn't matter.
If you do actually need faster speeds getting them is pretty trivial.
For arguments sake lets say you have a 150MB/s HDD. That's a plausible number for transferring a single large file.
a Gigabit LAN gives you about 80% of your transfer speed and is very cheap to setup.
If you have lots of network traffic or REALLY need every MB/S of your HDD 5 gigabit or 10 gigabit are more expensive but still quite affordable nowadays, and will let you enjoy native HDD transfer speeds with all the benefits of a NAS.
The TL;DR here is that you absolutely can have native HDD speeds from a NAS, but depending on your use case you may not even need them. A slow network is easily improved and shouldn't stop you from setting up a NAS.
Excellent response!
love the difference in confidence from anthony's first videos compared to now
@4:25 Mechanical drives don't need to be parked anymore since the 80s. The heads are physically designed to go to the parking spot as soon as they lose power. The shutdown option (along with the ATX standard) was introduced in Windows 95 so services and programs get a shutdown signal so they can close the files they were using at the time (or gracefully close network connections)
I love that Anthony constantly gets the praise he deserves to this day
Agreed
I scrolled down to find the obligatory "We love Anthony" post and drop a like lmao I knew there was gonna be one
We don't see how enough
man always needs to blow his nose though
@@quimoniz what the hell did I just read
The fact the there is literally a stutter added at 4:54 goes to show the commitment LTT has to its content
@Deleted User So...delete yourself from this chat.
i thought it was my internet LOL! well played LTT, well played! Anthony is the man though. Glad they're giving him the spotlight he deserves!
It's so good
Thanx for the video. I recently update my desktop and wife's laptop to SSD and now they're like new PCs. However SSDs are great for system drives but at present I'll stick to HDD for storage and video editing drives.
im currently in the process saving and purchasing parts to build a pc what im doing is a mix of all 3 storage options. 1tb m.2 for os, programs, and games i want to load and run fast (especially rust), 2tb hdd for other games and bulk storage, and 250 gb ssd for storing important files although i’ll probably buy a 1tb instead. i think with all that storage ill be good for a long time but in the case that its not enough solving is as simple as buying an extra storage device
Anthony: *segues to sponsor*
Me: “fuck, he’s good”
Almost like he learned that from linus
@@s0laret012 Linus is terrible lately at segues, probably it’s irony. Because viewers mention segue placements all the time
Lol! Big facts
Yeah. He was a bit smoother..kind of like the difference between hdd and...
It's so good to see Anthony grow in confidence and ability in front of camera. He's my fave member of the team these days. Knowledgable, eloquent, funny, and genuine. Keep up the awesome work and more Anthony content please!!!
I agree 100% Anthony is great!
@ace so is your mom but we all kept quiet didn't we?
@@daddydarklord damn so is my mom ngl
@@kilsnacks we already know bruh
@@daddydarklord good good I bought her a fitness watch maybe that will help lol
4:52 I saw what you did there ....quite clever and effectiiiivvvvve!!! (i was cussing my machine out (been here before) then i realized, he seems tricky enough to do something ill 😜...lol) - very nice editing, informative and entertaining. Don't let my name fool you, i have had the most challenging time trying to add SSD to my computer, finally got it there and it took so long, I don't remember why I was updating it...huh boy...that's why I'm here🤓😁Be safe and take care😎
I can't put into words how much I appreciate Anthony
literally bought a hard drive yesterday.
Hey man, not all of us can afford to store videos and back ups we'll never touch on a sdd.
Same here. Regularly buy sets of (3) 10 TB externals to archive images for my photography business and to backup that archive. This vid is really about using SSD as a PC primary drive. But saying that in the title wouldn't be click bait enough for this channel.
He didn't say hard drives are bad, just that it's best to have your os and games on ssd. Also hard drives draw more power. If you need to store a lot of videos/photos/things you don't need to load instantly then hard drives are still a good choice.
Yeah, this is my thing. I can't/don't want to try using an online, "can't get to it if the internet it not available/working", 'backup' solution, which I have to pay someone money for monthly, even if I never, ever, use it. This is what pisses me off with a lot of applications now too. I might use them once a month/year, but you want me to pay you **how much** to be able to use them those rare times I really need them?
That said, its likely that, going forward, I might limit using an HD to "Backups", i.e., the thing I never do, because all existing solutions are a pain in the ass, or online, etc. And, I need to think about, if I do end up having something worth doing this with, and don't yet have a company name, or big bank account, to pay for it - data recovery. Something that.. I suspect, SSDs don't exactly "do" at all.
Right
@@michaelmechex dude, you're talking about a few more watts on your draw.
I like Anthony because he gets straight to the point. He really explains what he is talking about in a compact and easy to understand way.
Yup, he is the best! I just hope that he looks after his health a little bit more. We all want to watch him till we all die!
I mean linus is clear too so.
Videos are scripted...I don't doubt each host has some input or improv on set, but the script is likely a consensus...I don't feel like Anthony is more clear than Linus or otherwise. What I can say though is that Anthony has a calm and deep voice and it's a bit more articulate...it's more pleasant to listen to him. With that said, Linus isn't annoying or anything.
@@DeLawrence97 Usually the Director or Script Writer will be written by Anthony anyways so it makes sense that his own videos would be perfect for himself.
Anthony is the best
I just recently bought a 2tb Gen 4 NVMe drive for my games on my PC but still also have a 4tb HDD for movies, music, and documents. It's about half full and is just a place to kinda put stuff I wanna keep
Love what y'all did at 4:53. Had me worried for a second lol
"Are Hard Drives Still worth it?"
My wallet : YES...
It is overall worth it, as for 50eur you can get a 2tb HDD or a 512gb SSD
@@Reprint001 That's sadly becoming the norm with so many tech channels these days who see something like a $1,200+ USD PC as a budget system, or even a $700 phone as a midranger. So for my wallet unless it's a SFF system, or laptop(those usually get a 240GB SSD as it's more than enough for Manjaro Linux), I usually go with a combo of 120GB - 240GB SATA SSD, and a 2TB - 4TB SATA HDD depending on my budget, or what the person's system I'm working on budget is, and their needs.
Also I don't see SSD lasting as long for long term storage as many HDDs have as I still have a 20MB HDD in my old Zenith Datasystems 286e Supersport Laptop(first laptop I ever got) still running strong to this day, where I've had an ADATA SSD die in under a year, and had to do an RMA on it.
I recently looked up replacing my HDDs with SSDs but the pricing simply doesn't work out. Should SSDs be priced higher? Yes. They're a huge improvement over regular drives. Should they be 3-4x that price. 😬. In the lower capacities (500GB/1TB), prices aren't too bad but beyond that it's difficult to justify.
Yea here in sweden a 8Tb Toshiba N300 is 199€, I have 3 of those and there really dam fast for a HDD.
a 8Tb SSD is about 765€ so yea I can get almost 4x the storage and I have to save every penny to afford the HDD, the SSD is out of the question.
I wold rater get a smaller SSD and just run a caching solution. Tested that with an old SSD and HDD in linux, called Bcache. Works with some tweaks.
I think I would go that route in the future to get a boost on the more frequently used data and a 1Tb SSD could cache data on multiple 8Tb or so drivers.
If you don't have 5 grand for a chocolate printer, HD are still worth it.
4:51 that stuttering effect 😂 I had to check my internet connection after seeing that lol
Same lol
I was concerned that my computer was having problems (I'm using a laptop that _only_ has a 2430M).
Somehow tricked me, CZcams on mobile devices don't stutter
This was such an informative video. I’m in the process of shopping for a new system and am set on everything, BUT the whole ‘Do I include a HDD?’ of it all. I was going to have 3 SSDs. But a friend was like, ‘maybe one of those should be a HDD’. And I was like ‘Hmm... Maybe it should.’ And now I’m here.
just bought new 2TB HDD bc my last one was just 500gb and was already dying, i have my windows on SSD but i need games and movies and everything else to storage somewhere so i got the 2TB and i really like it.
Anthony’s voice so soothing didn’t even skip through the sponsor spot
Yeah lol
Unlike the rest of LTT, Anthony knows how to regulate the volume of his voice. And it's soothing. I would so listen to ASMR of him saying Linux commands.
Which one? There were many
Look at his eyes dude, WTF ARE THOSE???
Soothing in the best way possible, not the Kripparrian make you fall asleep soothing at that.
Anthony's voice is so soothing, I feel like I'm in a cocoon of wholesomeness.
It reminds me of the AGDQ announcer voice, he could definitely make it as a voice actor type thingy?
I feel warm.
I feel safe
Anthony ASMR????
I hope he lives a long and healthy life and defeats obesity 👍🏻
My tower has about 10 terabytes or so of total storage, and 6 more in the external backup setup I've got going with it. SSDs are still far more expensive per unit capacity than platter drives, so yes, actual disks do still have a place.
Looking forward to your next video, setting up another Petabyte capacity system.
No seriously Anthony does such a good job of hosting an episode, he has a very welcoming voice and personality
His voice is so smooth.
Yeah I agree, he's a very very good host.
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@@zzhooky8194 ants: Its free real estate.
always good to see you doing vids anthony
Love the way you introduce the ads. Gets me everytime, haha
Whenever Anthony is in a video, my day is getting better
YESSS
@I LOVE EVERY SINGER No, stop it
Agree
1000%
Hell yes!
Anthony: are HDD worth it anymore.
poor college student trying to decide to eat for the next month or buy an ssd
Get a SSD NVME M2, that won't kill you like food poisoning.
SSD cahing (or NVME if you have one) to speed up the 2nd time you open something from your HDD. Very useful for the frecuently used files. Thank me later.
Ssds have gotten cheaper. And if youre persistent, they go on sale a lot. You can find some 1tb ssds on sale for around $70 on sale. Hell some of the better hdds cost that much with the same capacity but still much slower.
Indian student, gotta be indian student.
just get all energy you need from drinking beer, food is for pussies.
That sip from the water bottle as he slid into that plug was smooth
I just added a 4 Tb HHD (Seagate Enterprise for $54) to my new build. I'll have a 2 Tb Gen 4, M.2 WD 850x for primary drive. The HHD will be for a weekly total system backup/restore drive. Speed is not a concern as I can just schedule the backup during down time. When pricing the 2.5 in SSD's it's still 3x-4x pricier over the HHD. For its purpose, I was able to increase the funds available for higher quality M.2 drive.
Hey Anthony, Always a pleasure watching your vids. I suspect in 5 - 10 years Mechanical drives will fade away pretty much in the same way as cassettes did, There is no stoping technology and we will eventually have no choice but to adapt and learn to appreciate it. Always a pleasure my friend god speed!
That added in stutter while he was talking about it was a decent touch, had to replay it just to make sure it wasn't random.
Same here. While he was talking about it I noticed the stutter and then had to replay it just to be sure it was something they edited in and not my internet connection glitching on and off for a second again... (Yay Comcast!)
Interesting
Me who just bought a 3TB HDD because I was running out of storage:
I dont know, Is it??
Yeah, I don't think this was address properly in this video. I have terabytes of movies and TV shows, games, music, etc. For all that stuff an HDD is all you need. Leave the space on SSD's for games.
@@bba935 I keep my games on ssds
Me who has 24 TB of spinning disk platters in his PC: Is it?
@@CanuckGod I've only got 9TB of spinning space.
@@CanuckGod your computer must sound like a substation when being powered on
4:52
Very well done on the stuttering effect.
Hardrives are just fine if your not constantly needing to restart your PC as well. I have a 500 Seagate barracuda and it's not loud at all. Reinstalling windows only took about 15 min which isn't that much longer than my SSD. Lastly this is personal preference but I love the hum of a hardrive. So so satisfying
Give Anthony his own higher tech spot on LTT regularly. His knowledge on tech is truly Jedi Grade. I love this guy.
Though this is true (love Anthony
"When I was a kid, SSDs barely existed. When I was in college, they were prohibitively expensive"
*Remembers how it was a game changer when he finally convinced the tech department of his college to allow students to use those new fangled usb flashdrives so they would not be restricted to floppies and zip disks*
Welp, I feel old....
I started with tape drives in the early 80s. 5.25 floppies at school. 3.5 floppies after that. I remember when a flash drive was stupid expensive for almost no storage. Now my wife has a 1tb ssd in her computer that cost 75 bucks. I have a 500 Gb in mine that was a little cheaper, and a 1Tb hdd for my mass storage. Works great for me, but I'll probably add another Tb to hers and mine soon, nvme of course, because why not? Lol!
Its amazing to know that mine and her computers, that I built, together cost less than the $3000 Compaq pentium 150 we had in the 90s...i even had a voodoo 2 card! Damn I'm old!
My college days flash was a SanDisk Cruzer Freedom with a whopping 256MB. I have new 256GB Samsung arriving today that I paid less for. With inflation, a lot less.
@@darthbonobo Heh, the one I had was 128MB, I still have it (well, it's internals, the casing broke). It cost almost $1 per gig, I recall it's price was around $100 or $110 or so. Still a MASSIVE upgrade from having to use floppies or the slower-than-floppies 5MB of network storage we got back then. I don't think I ever saw the ZIP drives being used.
Ah yes, the glory days of having to install Monkey Island 2... from 11 floppy disks. Fun times.
@BASIL!!!!! The musical and pumpin' Seagull I didn't know there even was any form of solid state for ISA. The last time I used ISA was in my Pentium 3 for a card that could communicate with game consoles.
I keep an HDD as a backup drive in case I have an SSD failure. Works a treat, and no cloud service fees.
I recently bought a new laptop that has only an M.2 slot and no SATA slot. It shipped with a 500GB M.2 SSD, but I was able to find a 1TB M.2 SSD for just under $100.00 and for what all I do it suits me fine. I do still have some of my older HDDs in external enclosures and use them for storage.
"Are Hard Drives still worth it?"
Yes.
YES YES
HDD for games that you don't mind bout loading speed and ALL DATAs, Backups
ssd&m.2 for AWESOME GAMES
and important things your working on, FAST!!!!!!!
yeah put some data in here n there.
BUTT everything else on HDD!!!!!
edit: i almost forgot. your boot up too on ssd/m.2
edit: jsgaming420 didn't understand so i updated again.
@I LOVE EVERY SINGER I mean, why won't she just buy you a microphone?
Store files, videos, and photos? Yes.
Store games? Yes and no.
@@TheOneEyedMac to me or alnexus??????
well, imo they are good for backups and storing files, but what i would do if i had to save some money is get an ssd and put the games you play on the ssd for the time being, then offload them to the hdd when you don't play them anymore. it's really annoying when you have to wait a minute everytime you restart something etc. etc., and the responsivness of ssds is just uncomparable to hdds. so good for storing files, and if you have the patience they are ok for games
The 2x price rule works for lower capacity builds, SSDs are typically much more expensive as you rack up the Tbs...
Plus with storage now up in the cloud, we can put our pictures of our cats, birthday parties, and PRON pictures, it’s not absolutely necessary to have a 2 TB HDD.
@@Defender78 my game average size are 100-300gb so it is necessary for me :(
Absolutely. I only buy 8TB+ Hard disks and 2TB SSDs now as.
Also, a hard drive's lifespan is usually dependent on the thermal cycles and generally the time it's been used for. So for for consistent high throughout writes (like replay logs in certain applications), HDDs are still a decent choice. I still only use hard disks and BDs for archival.
@@HashanGayasri tbh we only really need 2x nvme for os n app+games, this is why ssd price is dropping fast
HDD price still stagnant per TB for a reason, demand is still very high especially those who want to build a NAS library
cloud storage is unreliable at best, dont bother, it should only be used as a third backup
but even so they are using HDDs too lol
@@Defender78 Depends on an internet connection though
That water bottle segue at 3:02 was smooth af.
For Desktops i see not many problems with an HDD as Datastorage if it is for Media. But the SSDs are getting into the right direction now. More MLC is coming back which is awsome and they are getting cheaper and cheaper. I got one SLC Drive from the SSD start days for Windows as of now. I never liked TLC and espacially the low Grade QLC.
But i plan to get an large MLC as soon as possible for Dataread Hungry games.
Newegg has HDD for 1/4 the price of the equivalent capacity SSD. They're still worth it.
I just picked up a used 4tb drive for $40. I'd rather have the extra 4tb of storage than not. Even if I don't put games on it, i can still put all my documents and downloads on it to free up space for games on my ssd
Me who can't afford an ssd: Yes
Also me who's too cheap to buy a big ssd.
I have about 4tb of games and videos on a second HDD and will need more space later.
No way in hell I'm paying for an SSD of that size.
Just upgraded my PC and got a new 2.5" SSD for Linux boot. You can get a 120gb for under $50.
I swapped from HDD only a year ago. It makes a huge difference, even on an old POS system.
@@fuxyews2177 yeah and I think the performance of an hdd is enough for games
@@ShadzGamez in Germany you can get a 500gb ssd for 50€. Pretty good price but I'm too cheap lol
When I wrote my first lines of code: We had the commodore pc1. That thing did not even have a hard drive. For extra storage we bought an external floppy drive so we could use 3,5 inch floppies, that could store so much more.....
Fast forward to 2023: I still use harddrives for storing the large stuff. I like the WD ultrastar ones. Very reliable and still kind of affordable. And on my proliant homelab I even boot from hdd's.
Who else is still rocking some hdd storage?
I love to see that the legacy of tips on how to drop stuff was passed on :')
Anyone else go back 10 seconds after 4:53 to make sure the editor was being crafty and there was no problem with their device? 😂🤣😂
"Did they just add in the lag ?" hahahaha
@@longphan4691 I think they literally took some frames out and duplicated a few
to fill the space while leaving the audio perfect. 😂
Nah man I'm too dumb for that, I assume my poor Motorola phone just lagged. But that's a normal occurrence.
I would if I was on my personal PC, but I watched this from the work PC (Ubuntu) and having video stuttering and glitching on Desktop Linux is something I expect and don't care about. For example, when I unpause CZcams videos, sometimes the audio will cut off for 5 seconds and then come back.
Got addicted to Anthony I thought there was more after the Microcenter ad.
Same here
Me too
Why didn't they test possible bottlenecks though? they gave the theory but what about showing it in practice?
Anthony the 1st?
@@RaulServers There are too many videos showing windows 10 boot up and many games loading screens time with HDD SSD m.2 and nvme and if they did something similar that video would reflect as a desperate idea.
i still using all my old harddrives which i could plugin into my pc its just nice to have 10 TB and more in one system even if its private
The stuttering effect at 4:50 was a good touch lol
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Comments: Anthony ❤💕
I love watching him grow on this channel. I might be incorrect, but I feel like he was very camera shy when he started, but LTT has helped him blossom and it's awesome to see.
@@ryanj610 You're right. Some are born for the Camera like Madison and Riley, but Anthony and Alex took some time but are fan favs and much more confident.
Linus with like 17 petabytes of hard drives:
Y E S
I'm currently waiting on Amazon to go from a hhd boot drive to a ssd in 2022. I'm pretty sure a small ssd and large hhd will be a enjoyable upgrade for me.
I think that for budget builds a small ssd and a big hdd is still the best option, my pc currently has a 500gb ssd and a 1tb hdd and it works great.
500GB is too low, it should be 1TB. I have my Kingston 1TB SATA SSD that i bought around 80 bucks and the difference for durability vs a 500GB one is insane.
Also, you shouldn't fill up more than 75-80% of your SSD for durability and speed, if it fills up, it gets slower (same applies for RAM and hard drives). For these reasons, 1TB is way better and versatile than 500GB.