- Here, he says that Motley Crue went from a glam look(Shout At The Devil) to a hair metal look(Theater Of Pain) - Motley Crue had a glam image in both albums, they were dressing up like Kiss on SAT, they went for an Aerosmith-type glam look on TOP. For Hardcore Metal fans at the time, they represented poser glam in '84, they still represented glam in' 85. His analysis is not historically correct.
@@LuchaLibertaria Your broken record routine is just too hysterical. You're just like the guy who whined to Pete cuz he says, "Good morning," when it's not morning where he is. hahahahahaha
Metallica's Load was the biggest letdown for me, even more than the black album. When the black album came out, yes, it was a clear change in sound from the Metallica that so many of us knew and loved, but it still had some good songs and heavy riffs on it. Plus, you could tell yourself that maybe the band was just experimenting with a new sound to see what happens and that they were perfectly capable of going back and producing another face-melting classic when their next album comes out. Then Load came out and the message was clear: the change in sound was not a one-off. They were now deliberately trying to repeat the mainstream success they found with Enter Sandman by making radio-friendly hard rock.
Metallica just aren't very good at rock music. I think Mike Portnoy said it best when he said load and reload may as well have been called Rocktallica. And at least St. Anger was going back to a more metal oriented style.
You ain't just whistling Dixie! My argument has always been.... I seen them on the Master of Puppets tour.....Load can never match up to that experience, life event > good Rock album....so what??!
Way to go Pete I have to say as some who has followed you for a few years you keep coming up with good fun topics and people to talk about them with. IMO you now have the best music show on youtube.
You're not alone, same goes in my case for the rest of overlooked Purple albums: Come Taste the Band, House of Blue Light, Slaves & Masters and Bananas. All awesome!
@@hellojimmypage *Slaves & Masters* was not a great album, but it was much better than both critics and fans had given them credit for doing. I still love the brooding, slow, engaging rocker "King Of Dreams" and "Fire In The Basement" but my favorite song is the absolutely incredible, shoulda been a huge hit "Too Much Is Not Enough." Great song.
To me, every Iron Maiden song and album sound exactly the same. That is why i just can’t listen it for like more than one song. There is other bands like that too so it is not unique just a bit disappointment.
hahaha. I was in 6th grade when Comes Alive came out. Almost got a perm I loved Frampton so much. Good God! I'm in You was sooooooo feeble and awful. That cover! Was it cocaine? Corporate greed? Somebody should be made to feel the sting of the lash for that.
I don't really like anything the Stones did after "Some Girls." I love the 60s Stones. Especially the real early stuff. I could listen to that all day.
@@sspbrazil the wall is the first Pink Floyd album I ever heard and it has had a massive impact on me, while I agree the album is overblown with a few tracks I could happily do without I still love it, I find the final cut very difficult to get through and it does nothing for me. I feel the same of waters solo albums
I agree ! I much prefer In Rock, Fireball and Who Do We Think We Are to the revered Machine Head which is admittedly a great album but the songs have been played too much live compared to some tracks on other albums with Gillan and Glover who were rarely or never played in concert at the time, which made me quickly bored of Machine Head.
Hey Pete, how about Mega albums that you have given a second chance. Meaning: multi platinum albums that you never dug on their heyday, or actually hated, but you have since warmed up to.
1. Kiss - Dynasty (1979)I love the disco/soft rock attempt they made. 2. Pink Floyd - The Final Cut (1983) you talked about this album yesterday on Rock Fantasy episode. Like you, my least favorite album from the band. Feels like ‘The Wall 2.0’ since it was mostly dedicated Waters’ father. 3. Queen - Hot Space (1982) 4. Fleetwood Mac - Time (1995) bands worst album, loved Behind the Mask (1990) underrated album. 5. Motörhead - Iron Fist (1982) 6. Judas Priest - Point of Entry (1981) 7. Black Sabbath - Never Say Die (1978) 8. Iron Maiden - No Prayer For the Dying (1990) 9. The Allman Brothers Band - Win, Lose or Draw (1975) 10. Asia - Alpha (1985) 11. The Moody Blues - Octave (1978) 12. Emerson, Lake, & Palmer - Love Beach (1978) 13. Bee Gees - Living Eyes (1981) 14. AC/DC - For Those About To Rock (1981) ‘Who Do We Think We Are’ was a great album.
I loved Ratt 'Invasion of Your Privacy', but was not keen on the next album: Dancing Undercover. Although the cover art has a certain 'film noir' pastiche that I like.
‘ Dancing’ peters out a bit on side 2 but it’s got a strong core of good tunes and the supertight sequencing of the songs I thought was great (and tbh Invasion had a couple of sub- par songs on side 2 as well). Perhaps the disappointment to me is Crosby’s retraction in favour of DeMartini that would have given a greater variation to the lead work.
The blue and turquoise color motif of "Big Generator" is easier on the eyes, Pete. "Shoot High Aim Low" and "Holy Lamb" are outstanding tracks on that album.
"Tusk" is Fleetwood Mac's punk and new wave-influenced album (at least on many of the Buckingham-penned songs). I have a lot of respect for the serious creative risks that the band took with it. They could have made an album with a similar sound and style as "Rumours," but they didn't, and as much as I love that great, classic album, I give them credit for going in a very different, and courageous, direction with much of "Tusk."
I agree. I live in Cleveland, Ohio and first heard Helloween's Keeper of the Seven Keys pt.1 on Zrock radio. I had such high hopes for the follow up to the Keeper albums and Pink Buubles go apes was released and is tied for worst right along with Keeper pt.3
@@themetalking691 I heavily disagree about the keeper or 3. To be fair I also like pink bubbles and chameleon a lot, but they are even nowadays misunderstood. People are blaming these albums for not being another parts of the keeper saga. Which was basically the band’s intention. These albums were very brave and experimental, especially chameleon
@@themetalking691 There could have been a few songs taken off of Keeper the Legacy (especially on the second disc), but in no way is it worse than Rabbit Don’t Come Easy, Straight Out of Hell, and My God Given Right, at the very least. I think if it had a different name people would like it better.
I do too that’s my favorite song on big generator by far and sounds as if it could have been included on 90125. I like when Jon Andersen and Trevor Rabin trade off vocals like on Changes and this one. Their voices blend great together. Shoot has a haunting atmosphere as does changes.
Right! I like Big Generator a tad more than 90125, and Yes is my favorite band. Holy Lamb brings tears to my eyes. I'm Running is my wife's favorite Yes song.
@@JohnnyRecently Big G sounded great in my walkman at the time. Liked it as much as 90125. Running is the sort of song that you either like it or you don't. I like it too.
@@independenceltd.agreed on Slide It In in terms of quality but 87 did huge business for them, and actually Maiden did it again with Dance of Death after Brave New World
I love “Flick of the Switch”, so I was really glad to hear your praise of it! I still do like “For Those About to Rock”, but you shed a new light on it.
For me Metallica - Load is the definition of this. The Black album was definitely a mega album regardless of anyone's opinion of it. I've never been so disappointed in an album in my entire life as I was with Load. I gave it away for free.
Load is awful...and I have given it a chance every 5 years or so since 1996 - I don't get it...what's worse? Re-Load....They were all doing the wrong drugs...
When metallica was taking a beating from fans and the media for the black album I tried to tell people to give them another chance. I was like yes the black album is horrible and not metal, but to give the band a chance to comeback strong. And then they release LOAD!!!!!
Queen: Hot Space (previous album The Game, multi-platinum, several #1 hits, one of the catchiest albums of all time) Fleetwood Mac: Tusk (previous album Rumours, diamond, #1 and Top 10 hits, one of the first albums the general public thinks of when classic rock albums are brought up) Megadeth: Risk (previous album: Cryptic Writings, gold, multiple rock radio hits, brought in the blue collar, newer Metallica fans which then were alienated by the next couple albums) Genesis: Calling All Stations (previous album: We Can't Dance, multi-platinum, top 10 hits, massive pop crossover audience) Limp Bizkit: Results May Vary (previous album: Chocolate Starfish and the Hotdog Flavored Water, multi-platinum, largest sales week for a rock album of all time, multiple rock radio hits, general mainstream coverage) Linkin Park: A Thosuand Suns (previous album: Minutes To Midnight, multi-platinum, Top 10 hits, biggest band around during the 2000s)
Another thing that may have led to AC/DC overload for the fans is that the dummies at Atlantic decided to release Dirty Deeds in the US in 1981, after passing on it five years prior. The band was angry about it because they had just introduced their new singer to the world, only to have an older album with Bon released after.
It grows on you. As a follow up ,I totally get it, but I have listened to it alot over the years and judged on its own merits it's a pretty decent album. I think the problem is, we only have those two out of that lineup. One is definitely better.
@@user-cn2jf8jj1v A lot of bands would love to have recorded something as good as paper Money...that is he issue of recording something so brilliant as Montrose!
1. ELP- Works Vol. 1 2. Queen- Hot space 3. Metallica- Black album 4. Black Sabbath- Technical ecstasy 5. Dream theater- Falling into infinity 6. Iron maiden- No prayer for the dying 7. Yes- Big generator (and basically everything going forward) 8. Radiohead- Amnesiac 9. Deep purple- Who do we think we are 10. Led Zeppelin- Presence
Totally disagree about “Who Do We Think We Are” it’s a great album. Rat Bat Blue, Mary Long etc, full of excellent deep cuts. I’m surprised Pete didn’t make a better case as a big Purple fan. IMO Martin really missed the mark here.
As I stated, I like the album, but the fact is that is isn't nearly the achievement that Machine Head is, didn't have all those 'fan favorite' songs, and didn't sell nearly as well. Remember, we aren't saying we hate these albums by any means.
I think you missed the mark on the concept of the show. It's like when talking about overrated Albums. An Album can still be good while also being overrated. Same applies here. It's a good Album, but pales in comparison to the previous one. Financially as well as critically.
@@j.j.4150 I stand by my opinion, unfair criticism of a excellent album. As far as financially Martin himself said it was equally as successful upon initial release. The passing years has made Machine Head a bigger seller but at the time it was equal to Machine Head. As far as the critics they never liked Deep Purple so that’s really irrelevant. Just my opinion you’re certainly entitled to your own. Enjoy your weekend. Cheers!!
A big let down for me is Gaucho from Steely Dan. Aja was this jazz masterpiece and three years later we got Gaucho, which to me was a bummer because Aja was amazing.
I remember when I bought the cassette version of "For Those About to Rock", I could barely hear the vocals on the B-side. It was like the vocals were in the background instead of up front.
@@petepassiglia8564, well, this also kind of demonstrates the problem AC/DC face. As much as they might get criticized for doing the same thing over and over: the moment they try something even slightly different, folks are up in arms.
@@gemini2012100, there IS that. Especially on Spellbound (one of my fave AC/DC tracks) ... it sounds like Brian’s in the hallway outside the studio lol
Peter Gabriel. 'Us' following 'So'. I know a lot of people may disagree on this one but I remember being disappointed with 'Us' when it came out,and it's still my least favorite Peter Gabriel solo album. The only songs I really like on it are 'Digging In The Dirt' and 'Come Talk To Me'. I thought that the following album 'Up' was a significant improvement.
The only thing that comes to my mind is "Let it be" following "Abbey Road" (even though it was recorded before that). It's just fcomes rom a strict subjective POV. "Pink Bubble go Ape" after "Keeper Part 2" come to mind as well. Never hated that abum, but the sales went down strong for Helloween with that album.
Agree big-time with Theater of Pain and Big Generator. To a tee. I don't agree with For Those About to Rock. Anything would have been a drop-off from Back in Black and I think FTAtR is AC/DC's last great album. I certainly think it's better than Flick of the Switch, although I would agree that Flick of the Switch does rock harder and can be considered Brian Johnson's 'Powerage'.
AC/DC made a great album trilogy with Robert John "Mutt" Lange: "Highway to Hell" (1979), "Back in Black" (1980) and "For Those About to Rock" (1981). After that "Flick of the Switch" (1983) was a big disappoiment probably because it was produced by the band. It's a pity that AC/DC has only played the title track "For Those About to Rock (We Salute You)" on their tours, and not any other tracks from the same album.
Definitely would want to see another one of these, but I could probably watch a video of Pete and Martin discussing the grade of paper Martin will use for his next book for an hour and be perfectly entertained, so... A few for me that come to mind: The Final Cut after The Wall No Prayer after Seventh Son Turbo after Defenders Heads or Tales after Worlds Apart Signals after Moving Pictures Promised Land after Empire Lightning Strikes after Thunder in the East Though, I like or love both albums from each.
Boston's second album was Dont Look Back released in 1978. 2 years after the premiere album. It is a solid album with some good bangers, but nothing was going to top the original album. I think you're thinking about 3rd Stage which came out in 1986. That album has aged better over time in my opinion. Don't Look Back has my favorite Boston song, A Man I'll Never Be. No way to top the first album, it's like Dark Side of the Moon a perfect album.
@@patriottex4813 Agreed. It's a great album. I think expectations were too high even given the 2 year wait. Man I'll Never Be is also my favorite from the second album.
Yup, I remember really looking forward to it, and it ended up sounding like a bunch of random demos slapped together. Maybe a couple half decent tracks and that was it.
@@ddmurley i would disagree. If did yield the band their only number one hit, Amanda. I guess when Third Srage hit in my life it was an album that I appreciated. I connected to it, and always have. Plus I sent the song Amanda to a girl Amanda on a mix tape. So it was perfect for that. Boston is one of my favorite bands, and I can find treasure where others see trash.
I would pick Blackfoot's Vertical Smiles, not just as a follow up to the previous album but after a run of 5 great studio albums plus an awesome live one as well, they came up with this. Real let down.
I like "Siogo", the album before it, but it wasn't a massive hit - in fact, the previous 3 had been Gold or Platinum, but Siogo wasn't even certified. So it wasn't exactly a massive hit
Great show & topic I will add: Physical Graffiti into Presence Led Zeppelin is my all time favorite band BUT the drop off... my word. I don't care how "Achilles Last Stand" is as a track or the guitar splendor of "Tea For One"... it's such a drop off from the previous, actual songs just aren't there. Actual songs return again with "In Through The Outdoor" even if Page's didn't.
Not a band that gets talked about on this channel but Oasis... Whats the Story Morning Glory to Be Here Now Personally like about a third of it but seems like they were already fast running of steam by that point
I agree 100% there. Loved Once Upon a Time and played the hell out of it. That follow up was so disappointing I remember. I went to see them a couple of years back in Bethlehem Pa. It was their first time playing the states in a long time and they were fantastic. Some of their most recent albums have been pretty good. I loved Graffiti Soul, it’s a good album for you to check out if you haven’t already.
@@greengrass1072 i saw them on the return to the states tour few years ago too but at Roseland in NYC. I just picked up Neapolis after hearing an intv with Mel Gaynor. They kinda lost me after Good News so I appreciate the suggestion. I'll check out Graffiti fer sure.
Judas Priest- Defenders of the Faith to Turbo Boston debut to Dont Look Back Twisted Sister Stay Hungry to Come Out and Play Rush Signals to Hold Your Fire Raven All For One to The Pack is Back
I agree on your list - I know Raven's 'Stay Hard' gets ripped, but I don't mind it so much - but you're right - The Pack is Back is just awful....fucking Atlantic ruined that band!
Raven, absolutely (they have a new album out by the way)... but Signals was followed by Grace Under Pressure (which qualifies for me, didn't care for it at the time, like it a little better now but it's still deficient in proggy arranging)...
I do quite like Paper Money, but this is nonetheless a prime example of the concept. Despite my quite liking PM, Montrose is one that immediately sprang to mind for me as well.
Sammy blames Ronnie for wanting to take the band in a new direction after the stellar debut. Sammy says he himself drove the direction of the debut and Ronnie felt threatened that he was gonna lose control of the band to Sammy.
The Final Cut after The Wall Caribou after Goodbye Yellow Brick Road Peter Gabriel: Us after So Queensryche: Promised Land after Empire Down on the Upside after Superunknown BTW, I like most of these albums, but they fit the "Letdown" after the Mega Album thing, either in sales and/or in artistic merit relative to the preceding album.
Live: "Secret Samadhi" after "Throwing Copper" Bush: "Razorblade Suitcase" after "Sixteen Stone" Pearl Jam: "Vs." after "Ten" Silverchair: "Freak Show" after "Frogstomp" Wallflowers: "Breech" after "Bringing Down The Horse"
@@midohiobuckeyeaorwarrior9743 Throwing Copper and Sixteen Stone are both solid albums. Samadhi and Razorblade letdowns. I have to admit I don't own or listen to the others.
Boston: Boston-Don't Look Back Uriah Heep: Sweet Freedom - Wonderworld Rush: A Farewell to Kings - Hemispheres (I know many love this one, but I don't. least played Rush album I ever bought) Eagles: Hotel California - The Long Run Ken Hensley: Proud Words on a Dusty Shelf - Eager to Please (from a top ten fave to one of the most disappointing albums I ever bought) Meatloaf: Bat Out of Hell - Dead Ringer (however if I classified this as Jim Steinman it would be Bad for Good to Dead Ringer) Tommy James and the Shondells - Crimson and Clover-Cellophane Symphony
Asia Alpha was a great example. Totally agree with Tusk. My choices: Boston - Third Stage after Don’t Look Back. Steven Wilson - To The Bone after Hand. Cannot. Erase. Pink Floyd - The Wall after Animals. Aerosmith - Permanent Vacation after Done With Mirrors.
I'm a huge fan of Tusk, one of my favorite records. Great video guys, I'll be looking forward to a part II. How about this one? The Allman Brothers - Win, Lose or Draw following the #1 Brothers and Sisters.
I loved Big Generator when it came out. I heard Love will find a way on the radio and immediately went out and bought it. Then I became a lifelong Yes freak after that and went and bought everything eventually. Final Eyes and I’m Running will always be favorites of mine. Saw Yes west 4x plus the Union tour, love Trevor Rabin.
Love when you two go in on these bad album covers! And of course great show as always with Martin. Gonna be re-watching this one like I do all of them! Thanks, Pete.
*1)* Boston - Don't Look Back ---> Third Stage / Walk On / Corporate America *2)* Pink Floyd (twice) - The Wall --> The Final Cut / Division Bell --> Endless River *3)* Led Zeppelin (twice) Physical Graffiti --> Presence / In Through the Out Door --> Coda *4)* The Cars - Heartbreak City --> Door to Door *5)* Henry Paul Band - Grey Ghost --> Feel The Heat
Stevie Wonder : "Journey Through The Secret Life of Plants" following "Songs In The Key of life" Gentle Giant : "The Missing Piece" following "Interview" Steely Dan : "Gaucho" following "Aja". Weather Report : "Mr Gone" following "Heavy Weather". Tony Williams Lifetime : "Million Dollar Legs" following "Believe It"
Personal Letdowns M-Y: Menomena: Mines (2010) after Friend And Foe (2007) Mike Oldfield: Heaven's Open (1990) after Earth Moving (1989) Moby: Animal Rights (1996) after Everything Is Wrong (1995) Moody Blues: Octave (1978) after Seventh Sojourn (1972) Mott The Hoople: Wildlife (1971) after Mad Shadows (1970) Neil Young: Trans (1982) after Re-Ac-Tor (1981) Paul McCartney: III (2020) after Egypt Station (2018) Queen: A Day At The Races (1976) after A Night At The Opera (1975) Randy Crawford: Windsong (1982) after Secret Combination (1981) Raphael: Intimacy (1996) after Angels Of The Deep (1995) Renaissance: A Song For All Seasons (1978) after Novella (1977) Rush: Power Windows (1985) after Grace Under Pressure (1984) Sea Level: On The Edge (1978) after Cats On The Coast (1977) Simple Minds: Real Life (1991) after Street Fighting Years (1989) Stan Ridgway: Partyball (1991) after Mosquitos (1989) Steve Miller Band: Circle Of Love (1981) after Book Of Dreams (1977) Steve Winwood: Talking Back To The Night (1982) after Arc Of A Diver (1980) Tame Impala: The Slow Rush (2020) after Currents (2015) Todd Rundgren: A Wizard/A True Star (1973) after Something/Anything? (1972) Traffic: Shoot Out At The Fantasy Factory (1973) after The Low Spark Of High Heel Boys (1971) Yes: Tormato (1978) after Going For The One (1977)
Definitely Queen-A Day At The Races after A Night At The Opera Also Boston-Don’t Look Back after Boston debut And Peter Frampton-I’m In You after Frampton Comes Alive And Presence studio LP after Physical Graffiti
Sometime in NYC (72) John Lennon's follow-up to the MEGA Imagine (71) Time Fades Away (73) Neil Young's follow-up to the MEGA Harvest (72) Hot in Space (82) Queen's follow-up to the MEGA The Game (80) Tonight (84) Bowie's follow-up to the MEGA Let's Dance (83) The last one is an odd one, but everybody over 40 remembers the guy: Neither Fish nor Flesh (89) Terence Trent D'Arby's follow-up to the MEGA Introducing the Hardline (87)
@@midohiobuckeyeaorwarrior9743 Really??? TTD is not rock?? My life has no meaning anymore!! Well, Pete talks about other syles of music besides rock, as far as I know. Next time Pete talk about jazz, Pat Metheny, Genesis' Invisible Touch (just as pop as TTD) you can pass him a note from the rock police, alright? Jezz... and I don't even care for TTD,
@@midohiobuckeyeaorwarrior9743 Well, you forgot to mention the jazz/Metheny stuff, right? Well, rock police, the topic was MEGA album follow-up letdown, and TTD is a classic example (didn't know it was exclusive to rock releases).
Yeah, that was an almost impossible task for LZ to follow up PG with something as good, but I will say Achilles Last Stand is my favorite LZ song ever.
I'm not really a big hard rock fan, more into punk and hardcore but I am a rock DJ so always enjoy your vids when I get home from work and have a few beers.
You do have a point about Tales. I can’t argue that it is not overblown, self indulgent, and hard to get into. I would never recommend it to someone to introduce them to Yes. However, as a big fan, I do enjoy side 1 and there are good moments on the other 3 sides.
Blackfoot: Marauder to Siogo (sorry Martin but it’s brutal), Tull: Thick As. Brick to Passion Play, Dio: Last In Line to Sacred Heart, Who: Quadrophenia to Who by #s, REO: Hi Infidelity to Good Trouble (glaring drop off in the early MTV era)
@@jennycooper5364 "Stillness Of The Night" and "Keep The Fire Burnin'" are the highlights on the album. The deeper non-hit songs are always the ones to which you should lend your ears.
Tormato has three or four good songs, but my overall impression is that the album sounds like one of those mediocre odds-and-ends collections that record labels put out to cash in after a band has either ceased to be relevant or broken up.
Pete I love your shows, always fantastic. I would however ask you please to tell your guests to name the records they are talking about because many times they will hold up the record and say "this album right here" and if I'm listening (not watching) while working or cooking or something it means i have no idea which album the are talking about. Thanks and I love you're work.
Def Leppard - Adrenalize (after Hysteria) Death Angel - Frolic Through the Park (after The Ultra Violence) Huey Lewis and the News - Fore (after Sports) Megadeth - So Far So Good So What (after Peace Sells) Nevermore - The Obsidian Conspiracy (after This Godless Endeavour) Night Flight Orchestra - Sometimes the World Ain't Enough (after Amber Galactic) Queen - Flash Gordon and Hot Space (after The Game) Slipknot - Vol 3 (after Iowa) Suicidal Tendencies - The Art of Rebellion (after Lights Camera Revolution)
My thoughts as well! London Calling is a long album at over an hour's running time, but the style and genre variation and experimentations keep it from wearing out its welcome. But an hour-and-a-half is just too much for Sandinista. Gotta wonder how differently it works in original triple vinyl form, though. I'd imagine it'd be much more digestable in three distinct chunks.
Thank you Pete and Martin, I love these discussions. Its all about the music, and I love the Sea of Tranquillity fans for discussing music with me. Its good for the soul.
I will never forget 1996, hearing "Until it Sleeps"... could hardly wait after the Black album and the Binge and Purge box set in 1993. Metallica's "Load" really hit me hard.
Personally I loathe the song "King Nothing" off that album, don't mind a few other tracks. I feel like you could cut out the "Okay/Good" songs from Load and Re-Load and get like a 8-10 Track album out of those 27-28 Tracks.
@@dtltmtgt they are definitely track-by-track albums and not just ones where you throw them on and listen to the whole thing like their first 5. But Fixxer and Outlaw Torn are easily two of my top 10 favorite Metallica songs, they deserved to be on better albums. lol
For me, a band where I love their first five albums, but then they had a stylistic shift that has been a huge letdown for me. The Red Hot Chili Peppers. I love those first five albums (RIP Hillel) but everything after Blood Sugar Sex Majik is just a let down and doesn’t grab me like those first five do. Still some songs that I really like, but as a whole, their albums after those first five just don’t grab me.
@@KickflipGnasty oh I never said their later stuff was average. They’re great musicians, recording great music, it’s just not my cup of tea. I’m not a big alternative fan.
@@alexandergilles8583 That's totes fair! I definitely respect that. As a long time fan, I personally don't think their first album is up to snuff with their 90s/ 2000s stuff. Their second album is still awesome but I really don't think their first album is in the same league as the majority of their work.but I totally understand if alternative isn't your style of music it makes sense why there later stuff wouldn't be your cup of tea. Uplift mofo party plan through Blood Sugar is definitely their best, no ifs, ands, or buts about it ✌️🤘
@@KickflipGnasty I will say though, while as a whole, I still much prefer the first five, there’s still a bunch of californication and later era songs that I REALLY enjoy. it’s not so much of a hatred of or disdain for the later sound, just a matter of preference. I’m never gonna have an issue with someone playing any of the californication and later era albums. They’re a great band and I got to see them put on a great show in atlanta during the getaway tour
@@terrytheman3317 Ian Gillan's favourite too. Those two `Critics` think because they don't rate something- its set in stone-a fact- no good! Well, "Bollocks" Their `bad` L.Ps are others `Greats`
I struggled with `The Long Run` after `Hotel California`. As a side note `The Long Run` was the first album I bought that cost over £4. That made it hurt a little bit more lol. Also disappointed with `For Those About To Rock` after `Back In Black`
I’m surprised they both dissed “Woman From Tokyo”. Not the greatest album in the grand scheme of things, but it’s a song worthy of being on their greatest hits. I always liked it.
A few that come to mind... *Afterburner* by ZZ Top. ‘Eliminator’ wasn’t one of their very best records, but it was a good LP. The follow up lacked memorable songs and had a truly horrible ‘80s production that made it sound as if it had been recorded by robots. *Big Generator* by Yes. The follow up to the remarkably fresh ‘90125’, this one was utter garbage. Shipped gold, returned double platinum. *Emotional Rescue* by The Rolling Stones. Coming after the career rejuvenation of ‘Some Girls’, it was tedious, lazy, throwaway shite. Title track was good, though. *No Jacket Required* by Phil Collins. Coming three years after his superb ‘Hello... I Must Be Going’, this one saw the start of his slide into AOR mediocrity. Slow, sickly sweet ballads, glossy production, horrible Yamaha DX7 keyboards. Yuk, yuk, yuk. And my last choice has just come to me... *Flash* by Jeff Beck. I adored ‘There and Back’, which is probably his second best instrumental LP, and he followed it up with this ghastly abomination of a record. God I was disappointed when I first heard it! I don’t think Nile Rodgers was a great choice for producer, and I say this as a huge fan of the man. He has made some of the greatest records of all time with Chic and Sister Sledge, but this one... it sounds truly horrible. Everything I hate about the ‘80s encapsulated in one lousy album.
I'm with you except for No Jacket Required, which I think has a clearer vision than Hello (which I do love). I think it's a definitive 80s pop album, akin to Thriller, Sports, etc.
Totally agree with your picks except for Phil Collins '"No Jacket Required" which I think is excellent, well crafted, with a lot of variety and a ton of memorable hooks!
Dynasty by Kiss. I really personally enjoy the album but how can you think following up Love Gun with Dynasty? Or better yet following up Dynasty with Unmasked
Or even following-up *Unmasked* with *Music From 'The Elder'.* 🙄 Those were each 3 big drop-offs until they came roaring-back with *Creatures Of The Night.*
@@bobthebear1246 Which sold poorly. The band didn’t even mount a tour to support that album. I always thought that was interesting. Their big hard rock comeback (which I agree is a good album) totally bombed.
i feel you on the snow...down here in East Texas we got nearly two feet of snow and today was the first day with above freezing temperatures since Saturday
Another great show from Pete and Martin. I thought of a few of these before watching, especially ZZ Top from Eliminator to Afterburner. My five: 1. REO Speedwagon - Hi Infidelity to Good Trouble 2. Queen - The Game to Hot Space 3. Spin Doctors - Pocket Full of Kryptonite to Turn It Upside Down 4. Gin Blossoms - New Miserable Experience to Congratulations I'm Sorry 5. Hootie and the Blowfish - Cracked Rear View to Fairweather Johnson.
Popoff - Pardo , best duo on You Tube !!!!
Can we talk about Martin Popoff and how awesome he is at rock n roll analysis???
Dude is just killer !
- Here, he says that Motley Crue went from a glam look(Shout At The Devil) to a hair metal look(Theater Of Pain)
- Motley Crue had a glam image in both albums, they were dressing up like Kiss on SAT, they went for an Aerosmith-type glam look on TOP. For Hardcore Metal fans at the time, they represented poser glam in '84, they still represented glam in' 85. His analysis is not historically correct.
@@LuchaLibertaria lol
@@independenceltd. Haven't you already said that you had enough of me? Mind your own business then. Bye Bye 👍
@@LuchaLibertaria Your broken record routine is just too hysterical. You're just like the guy who whined to Pete cuz he says, "Good morning," when it's not morning where he is.
hahahahahaha
@@independenceltd. Sorry dude I don't interact with alt-right nazis. Bye
Metallica's Load was the biggest letdown for me, even more than the black album. When the black album came out, yes, it was a clear change in sound from the Metallica that so many of us knew and loved, but it still had some good songs and heavy riffs on it. Plus, you could tell yourself that maybe the band was just experimenting with a new sound to see what happens and that they were perfectly capable of going back and producing another face-melting classic when their next album comes out. Then Load came out and the message was clear: the change in sound was not a one-off. They were now deliberately trying to repeat the mainstream success they found with Enter Sandman by making radio-friendly hard rock.
I agree with you 👍🏻
Load is a load of rubbish. That’s all
Metallica just aren't very good at rock music. I think Mike Portnoy said it best when he said load and reload may as well have been called Rocktallica. And at least St. Anger was going back to a more metal oriented style.
You ain't just whistling Dixie! My argument has always been.... I seen them on the Master of Puppets tour.....Load can never match up to that experience, life event > good Rock album....so what??!
for me Justice was a massive missive let down. then the Black album came out and i just flat out lost interest.
Way to go Pete I have to say as some who has followed you for a few years you keep coming up with good fun topics and people to talk about them with. IMO you now have the best music show on youtube.
Pete talking positively about Motley Crue? No wonder it snows so much in his area #hellfreezesover
Hahaha
Never is too late...!!!it's only r'n'r and i love it...!!!
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- I remember him saying he was on the Crue train until he heard Home Sweet Home 😀
I play Who Do We Think We Are as much as Machine Head, In Rock, and Fireball.
You're not alone, same goes in my case for the rest of overlooked Purple albums: Come Taste the Band, House of Blue Light, Slaves & Masters and Bananas. All awesome!
All the 70's Deep Purple albums are great
@@hellojimmypage *Slaves & Masters* was not a great album, but it was much better than both critics and fans had given them credit for doing. I still love the brooding, slow, engaging rocker "King Of Dreams" and "Fire In The Basement" but my favorite song is the absolutely incredible, shoulda been a huge hit "Too Much Is Not Enough." Great song.
Agree wholeheartedly....don't get it. Love this album. People are too swayed by music critics.....who shouldn't have a job anyway but I digress
I’m huge 💎 DIAMOND DAVE VH. My favorite VH 1981 FAIR WARNING to 1982 DIVER Down. ( not horrible, but a little bit of letdown ) .
I agree, from brilliant to lackluster it's a bit like Deep Purple going from Perfect Strangers to The House of Blue Light.
And going to 51580 after 1984. Huge letdown. Sammy hagar synth garbage
If not for Diver Down, Roth’s run would have been near perfect.
@@peterberg8417 God 5150 blows, Roth leaving was like taking the venom out of a cobra.
Turbo after Defenders was a huge let down for me.
Big time.
Let down, yes. But I love it
Yeah, hated that album when it first came out and still do.
That was the end for me.
You said it!
First album that comes to mind is Iron Maiden "No Prayer for the Dying." Total let down after the excellent "Seventh Son."
Agree 100% !
To me, every Iron Maiden song and album sound exactly the same. That is why i just can’t listen it for like more than one song. There is other bands like that too so it is not unique just a bit disappointment.
@@oggamer3737 you’re telling me Remember Tomorrow sounds like The Wicker Man
I'm weird really like no prayer for the dying sure its not as good as 80s maiden but its still classic
Compared to the garbage they've been putting out lately, NPFTD is an absolute classic.
Peter Frampton - I'm In You after Frampton Comes Alive!
My first inkling.
@@miketheyunggod2534 thank you for that very helpful clarification, would never have known otherwise.
Yep that was a dud
hahaha. I was in 6th grade when Comes Alive came out. Almost got a perm I loved Frampton so much. Good God! I'm in You was sooooooo feeble and awful. That cover! Was it cocaine? Corporate greed? Somebody should be made to feel the sting of the lash for that.
True. The title track is great, though.
Rolling Stones from Some Girls to Emotional Rescue.
I should probably watch the whole video before posting...
@No More Mr. Fooled Again I love the longer discussions.
I don't really like anything the Stones did after "Some Girls." I love the 60s Stones. Especially the real early stuff. I could listen to that all day.
Emotional Rescue is OK for me
Pink Floyd are my favourite band of all time but I really dont like The Final Cut which followed The Wall
I think The Final Cut is a far better concept than The Wall.
@@sspbrazil the wall is the first Pink Floyd album I ever heard and it has had a massive impact on me, while I agree the album is overblown with a few tracks I could happily do without I still love it, I find the final cut very difficult to get through and it does nothing for me. I feel the same of waters solo albums
@@martinnapier6286 the concept of The Final Cut is more cohesive though, I don’t think The Wall’s concept holds together very well.
I love Floyd but The Wall had too much filler, it couldn't touch the 3 albums that preceded it.
@@markandersen793 exactly.
How about doing Albums Most People Hate But I Love?
You mean like The Partridge Family's "Sound Magazine" and "Get The Knack"?
I love Billy Idol's CyberPunk album but, nobody else likes it at all.
@@mr.jamesvincent3519 the final cut
The 'Spirit of things' by Kansas
Kiss - Unmasked
Pardo/Popoff is i nice Friday afternoon kick off 🤘🤠🤘
You could do the opposite, great albums that came out after you thought a band had had their day!! Great video!
Who Do We Think We Are, and Fireball are my 2 favorite Deep Purple records. With WDWTWA in first place.
rat bat blue! are you kidding me!!!
Me too. Love that album. The ballad, Our Lady , too at the end. Mary Long , is great too
I agree !
I much prefer In Rock, Fireball and Who Do We Think We Are to the revered Machine Head which is admittedly a great album but the songs have been played too much live compared to some tracks on other albums with Gillan and Glover who were rarely or never played in concert at the time, which made me quickly bored of Machine Head.
I like Who do we think we are. Not so overplayed.
I agree. And I like "Woman from Tokyo". Oh well. I guess we all have different opinions.
Me too, may be my favorite D.P. album.
Hey Pete, how about Mega albums that you have given a second chance. Meaning: multi platinum albums that you never dug on their heyday, or actually hated, but you have since warmed up to.
Motley Crue ('94)
Survivor - Vital Signs
Metallica - Black Album
VH - Diver Down
1. Kiss - Dynasty (1979)I love the disco/soft rock attempt they made.
2. Pink Floyd - The Final Cut (1983) you talked about this album yesterday on Rock Fantasy episode. Like you, my least favorite album from the band. Feels like ‘The Wall 2.0’ since it was mostly dedicated Waters’ father.
3. Queen - Hot Space (1982)
4. Fleetwood Mac - Time (1995) bands worst album, loved Behind the Mask (1990) underrated album.
5. Motörhead - Iron Fist (1982)
6. Judas Priest - Point of Entry (1981)
7. Black Sabbath - Never Say Die (1978)
8. Iron Maiden - No Prayer For the Dying (1990)
9. The Allman Brothers Band - Win, Lose or Draw (1975)
10. Asia - Alpha (1985)
11. The Moody Blues - Octave (1978)
12. Emerson, Lake, & Palmer - Love Beach (1978)
13. Bee Gees - Living Eyes (1981)
14. AC/DC - For Those About To Rock (1981)
‘Who Do We Think We Are’ was a great album.
Impressive list! Err, of not so impressive albums...
I love both the Motorhead and Priest albums.
@@LarryFleetwood8675 me too they’re both great
I really enjoy these shows with Pete and Martin. Very entertaining and informative.
As usual Popoff and Pardo own Friday! Well done and very interesting selections.
I loved Ratt 'Invasion of Your Privacy', but was not keen on the next album: Dancing Undercover. Although the cover art has a certain 'film noir' pastiche that I like.
Yeah. Big step down, but Body Talk is a banger.
It's tough to beat the first 2 Ratt records. But I do like Dancing , Reach and Detonator too
Yep, this boy checked out after Invasion. Just like with Crue after Theater of Pain.
‘ Dancing’ peters out a bit on side 2 but it’s got a strong core of good tunes and the supertight sequencing of the songs I thought was great (and tbh Invasion had a couple of sub- par songs on side 2 as well). Perhaps the disappointment to me is Crosby’s retraction in favour of DeMartini that would have given a greater variation to the lead work.
Another great video from Pete. I think Martin is definitely the best guest/contributor. Keep up the good work.
These lists with Martin Popoff are fantastic. He talks about bands and records that I never liked and finds a way to garner my intrigue.
The blue and turquoise color motif of "Big Generator" is easier on the eyes, Pete. "Shoot High Aim Low" and "Holy Lamb" are outstanding tracks on that album.
I'm Running ?
"Tusk" is Fleetwood Mac's punk and new wave-influenced album (at least on many of the Buckingham-penned songs). I have a lot of respect for the serious creative risks that the band took with it. They could have made an album with a similar sound and style as "Rumours," but they didn't, and as much as I love that great, classic album, I give them credit for going in a very different, and courageous, direction with much of "Tusk."
Helloween - “Pink bubbles go ape”(1991), the album that came after the mighty “Keeper of the seven keys” (both parts)
I agree. I live in Cleveland, Ohio and first heard Helloween's Keeper of the Seven Keys pt.1 on Zrock radio. I had such high hopes for the follow up to the Keeper albums and Pink Buubles go apes was released and is tied for worst right along with Keeper pt.3
@@themetalking691 I heavily disagree about the keeper or 3. To be fair I also like pink bubbles and chameleon a lot, but they are even nowadays misunderstood. People are blaming these albums for not being another parts of the keeper saga. Which was basically the band’s intention. These albums were very brave and experimental, especially chameleon
@@themetalking691 There could have been a few songs taken off of Keeper the Legacy (especially on the second disc), but in no way is it worse than Rabbit Don’t Come Easy, Straight Out of Hell, and My God Given Right, at the very least. I think if it had a different name people would like it better.
huge dissapointment. destroyed Helloween for years.
I absolutely love "Shoot High, Aim Low" off Big Generator.
I do too that’s my favorite song on big generator by far and sounds as if it could have been included on 90125. I like when Jon Andersen and Trevor Rabin trade off vocals like on Changes and this one. Their voices blend great together. Shoot has a haunting atmosphere as does changes.
Right! I like Big Generator a tad more than 90125, and Yes is my favorite band. Holy Lamb brings tears to my eyes. I'm Running is my wife's favorite Yes song.
@@analogkid2869 Haunting is a good word. In the way that Wurm is also haunting (in its own way) for me.
@@JohnnyRecently Big G sounded great in my walkman at the time. Liked it as much as 90125. Running is the sort of song that you either like it or you don't. I like it too.
Great song ! It just rolls along.
The " call and response" vocals are amazing.
1. "No Prayer for the Dying" following "Seventh Son of a Seventh Son"
2. "Slip of the Tongue" following "Whitesnake 87"
I forgot about NPFTD. I've come around on it though. "Whitesnake" was a drop of from "Slide It In".
@@independenceltd.agreed on Slide It In in terms of quality but 87 did huge business for them, and actually Maiden did it again with Dance of Death after Brave New World
Honestly in my opinion Seventh Son Of A Seventh Son is a let down compared to Somewhere In Time.
@@nodnarb0185 Me too, but then SIT was a let down from PS.
@@independenceltd. It took me a long time to warm up to SIT after PS. Love it now, but in 86 it was such a let down for me.
I love “Flick of the Switch”, so I was really glad to hear your praise of it! I still do like “For Those About to Rock”, but you shed a new light on it.
Flick of the Switch is awesome! I think I was the only one who bought and played it back in '83...It's so raw and heavy....
I actually saw that tour 83’ Flick of The Switch tour. FTATR i saw the year before, that was the best live concert i ever saw to this day.
I dig it!
Fly on the wall is a boring album but Flick of the switch is good.
Flick Of The Switch is highly underrated in my opinion.
For me Metallica - Load is the definition of this. The Black album was definitely a mega album regardless of anyone's opinion of it. I've never been so disappointed in an album in my entire life as I was with Load. I gave it away for free.
It was a load of 💩
they must've been burned out from all the touring behind the Black album -- but yea, it's a turd of an album
Load is awful...and I have given it a chance every 5 years or so since 1996 - I don't get it...what's worse? Re-Load....They were all doing the wrong drugs...
@@anthonyrivers1619 I think you might've hit on something -- they were trying to make slower music while still gacked up
When metallica was taking a beating from fans and the media for the black album I tried to tell people to give them another chance. I was like yes the black album is horrible and not metal, but to give the band a chance to comeback strong. And then they release LOAD!!!!!
Queen: Hot Space (previous album The Game, multi-platinum, several #1 hits, one of the catchiest albums of all time)
Fleetwood Mac: Tusk (previous album Rumours, diamond, #1 and Top 10 hits, one of the first albums the general public thinks of when classic rock albums are brought up)
Megadeth: Risk (previous album: Cryptic Writings, gold, multiple rock radio hits, brought in the blue collar, newer Metallica fans which then were alienated by the next couple albums)
Genesis: Calling All Stations (previous album: We Can't Dance, multi-platinum, top 10 hits, massive pop crossover audience)
Limp Bizkit: Results May Vary (previous album: Chocolate Starfish and the Hotdog Flavored Water, multi-platinum, largest sales week for a rock album of all time, multiple rock radio hits, general mainstream coverage)
Linkin Park: A Thosuand Suns (previous album: Minutes To Midnight, multi-platinum, Top 10 hits, biggest band around during the 2000s)
Edit: Cryptic Writings certified platinum.
Another thing that may have led to AC/DC overload for the fans is that the dummies at Atlantic decided to release Dirty Deeds in the US in 1981, after passing on it five years prior. The band was angry about it because they had just introduced their new singer to the world, only to have an older album with Bon released after.
Montrose: Paper Money was a big letdown some good songs but nothing like the first album
Agree totally, awesome debut. Then the let down.
It grows on you. As a follow up ,I totally get it, but I have listened to it alot over the years and judged on its own merits it's a pretty decent album. I think the problem is, we only have those two out of that lineup. One is definitely better.
@@user-cn2jf8jj1v A lot of bands would love to have recorded something as good as paper Money...that is he issue of recording something so brilliant as Montrose!
1. ELP- Works Vol. 1
2. Queen- Hot space
3. Metallica- Black album
4. Black Sabbath- Technical ecstasy
5. Dream theater- Falling into infinity
6. Iron maiden- No prayer for the dying
7. Yes- Big generator (and basically everything going forward)
8. Radiohead- Amnesiac
9. Deep purple- Who do we think we are
10. Led Zeppelin- Presence
Dance Of Death from Brave New World is a frightening drop of quality especially in songwriting.
'Generations' after 'Arrival' by Journey was very disappointing to me
'Killroy was here' after 'Paradise Theater' by Styx is another one.
Totally disagree about “Who Do We Think We Are” it’s a great album. Rat Bat Blue, Mary Long etc, full of excellent deep cuts. I’m surprised Pete didn’t make a better case as a big Purple fan. IMO Martin really missed the mark here.
As I stated, I like the album, but the fact is that is isn't nearly the achievement that Machine Head is, didn't have all those 'fan favorite' songs, and didn't sell nearly as well. Remember, we aren't saying we hate these albums by any means.
I think you missed the mark on the concept of the show. It's like when talking about overrated Albums. An Album can still be good while also being overrated. Same applies here. It's a good Album, but pales in comparison to the previous one. Financially as well as critically.
@@j.j.4150 Spot on. That's what we were going for.
@@seaoftranquilityprog apart from for those about to rock- no real love for that.
@@j.j.4150 I stand by my opinion, unfair criticism of a excellent album. As far as financially Martin himself said it was equally as successful upon initial release. The passing years has made Machine Head a bigger seller but at the time it was equal to Machine Head. As far as the critics they never liked Deep Purple so that’s really irrelevant. Just my opinion you’re certainly entitled to your own. Enjoy your weekend. Cheers!!
A big let down for me is Gaucho from Steely Dan. Aja was this jazz masterpiece and three years later we got Gaucho, which to me was a bummer because Aja was amazing.
Have another listen .
I personally think Gaucho is a better Album than Aja .
In saying that , the Dan are one of the few bands who have no bad albums
You can’t hear “Evil Walks” and tell me Brian sounds tired. That’s ridiculous.
Top 5 vocal for Brian! Goosebumps time. Anyone who thinks he sounds tired ought to try singing it, even once,
For those about to rock is a great album. Martin misses big time on this
I remember when I bought the cassette version of "For Those About to Rock", I could barely hear the vocals on the B-side. It was like the vocals were in the background instead of up front.
@@petepassiglia8564, well, this also kind of demonstrates the problem AC/DC face. As much as they might get criticized for doing the same thing over and over: the moment they try something even slightly different, folks are up in arms.
@@gemini2012100, there IS that. Especially on Spellbound (one of my fave AC/DC tracks) ... it sounds like Brian’s in the hallway outside the studio lol
Flick Of The Switch is my favourite from Johnson too!
It is awesome....my older siblings never owned it, never listened
Peter Gabriel. 'Us' following 'So'. I know a lot of people may disagree on this one but I remember being disappointed with 'Us' when it came out,and it's still my least favorite Peter Gabriel solo album. The only songs I really like on it are 'Digging In The Dirt' and 'Come Talk To Me'. I thought that the following album 'Up' was a significant improvement.
Pete looked to be in pain during the Crüe selection.
You're right, he looks like he's biting his tongue to avoid just ripping into Martin for even bringing them up. lol
@@Maximillian200HP That segment just played. Funny!
started tidying his cds lol
Pete's face........so funny!
@@swampula priceless lol - same when lynn mentioned them lol !!!!
Thin Lizzy Chinatown was a huge step down from the epic Black Rose album.
Renegade was better in my opinion !
I Like SUPER TROUPER - SMOOTH DANCER - RAT BLUE Cool Songs I'd Say. Maybe The Critical Perception At The Time Was Not Objective Enough? Hmmm.
The only thing that comes to my mind is "Let it be" following "Abbey Road" (even though it was recorded before that). It's just fcomes rom a strict subjective POV. "Pink Bubble go Ape" after "Keeper Part 2" come to mind as well. Never hated that abum, but the sales went down strong for Helloween with that album.
Big Apple Dreaming has always been a highlight from Muscle Of Love for me
Agree big-time with Theater of Pain and Big Generator. To a tee.
I don't agree with For Those About to Rock. Anything would have been a drop-off from Back in Black and I think FTAtR is AC/DC's last great album. I certainly think it's better than Flick of the Switch, although I would agree that Flick of the Switch does rock harder and can be considered Brian Johnson's 'Powerage'.
AC/DC made a great album trilogy with Robert John "Mutt" Lange: "Highway to Hell" (1979), "Back in Black" (1980) and "For Those About to Rock" (1981). After that "Flick of the Switch" (1983) was a big disappoiment probably because it was produced by the band. It's a pity that AC/DC has only played the title track "For Those About to Rock (We Salute You)" on their tours, and not any other tracks from the same album.
The expression is "To a T," BTW. I agree with your point, though.
@@bobthebear1246 not if you're talking proper grammar. The origin comes from the game of golf.
Powerage IMHO is the best album with Bon. Not as "radio-friendly" maybe, but every song is great.
@@edlawn5481 totally agree.
Yeah, fine... Tusk is whatever... but "Sara" and "Sisters Of The Moon" are such amazing songs. Tusk is Stevie's album.
Never heard anyone describe it like that. Buckingham has 9 song credits, Christine 6, and Stevie 5.
@@independenceltd. All 5 Stevie songs are 5 of the best on the record.
@@samheppener7878 We'll have to agree to disagree on that one.
I love *Tusk* . And I think "Storms" is the hidden Stevie gem.
I prefer Tusk to Rumors.
Definitely would want to see another one of these, but I could probably watch a video of Pete and Martin discussing the grade of paper Martin will use for his next book for an hour and be perfectly entertained, so...
A few for me that come to mind:
The Final Cut after The Wall
No Prayer after Seventh Son
Turbo after Defenders
Heads or Tales after Worlds Apart
Signals after Moving Pictures
Promised Land after Empire
Lightning Strikes after Thunder in the East
Though, I like or love both albums from each.
Signals is one I forgot....great call! I was even hesitant about adding Thunder in the East because it was so "Americanized".
No Prayer is leagues better than the tripe they're putting out lately
Boston's second album. How could they have topped or even come close to that first album. Plus fans waited soooooo long for the second one.
Boston's second album was Dont Look Back released in 1978. 2 years after the premiere album. It is a solid album with some good bangers, but nothing was going to top the original album. I think you're thinking about 3rd Stage which came out in 1986. That album has aged better over time in my opinion. Don't Look Back has my favorite Boston song, A Man I'll Never Be. No way to top the first album, it's like Dark Side of the Moon a perfect album.
@@patriottex4813 Agreed. It's a great album. I think expectations were too high even given the 2 year wait. Man I'll Never Be is also my favorite from the second album.
I love all those records, but third stage is a huge step down from Dont Look Back
Yup, I remember really looking forward to it, and it ended up sounding like a bunch of random demos slapped together. Maybe a couple half decent tracks and that was it.
@@ddmurley i would disagree. If did yield the band their only number one hit, Amanda. I guess when Third Srage hit in my life it was an album that I appreciated. I connected to it, and always have. Plus I sent the song Amanda to a girl Amanda on a mix tape. So it was perfect for that. Boston is one of my favorite bands, and I can find treasure where others see trash.
90215 is probably my 2nd favorite YES album (Fragile), but I liked Big Generator a lot. 'I'm Running' and 'Shoot High Aim Low' are awesome songs.
Both albums are very good 🤘
Favorite album but you don't know its name.
I would pick Blackfoot's Vertical Smiles, not just as a follow up to the previous album but after a run of 5 great studio albums plus an awesome live one as well, they came up with this. Real let down.
I like "Siogo", the album before it, but it wasn't a massive hit - in fact, the previous 3 had been Gold or Platinum, but Siogo wasn't even certified. So it wasn't exactly a massive hit
Great show & topic
I will add:
Physical Graffiti into Presence
Led Zeppelin is my all time favorite band BUT the drop off... my word.
I don't care how "Achilles Last Stand" is as a track or the guitar splendor of "Tea For One"... it's such a drop off from the previous, actual songs just aren't there. Actual songs return again with "In Through The Outdoor" even if Page's didn't.
Not a band that gets talked about on this channel but Oasis...
Whats the Story Morning Glory to Be Here Now
Personally like about a third of it but seems like they were already fast running of steam by that point
Thanks Pete & Martin. fun stuff as always!
my pick: Simple Minds Once Upon A Time and the follow up (excluding the live album) Street Fighting Years
I agree 100% there. Loved Once Upon a Time and played the hell out of it. That follow up was so disappointing I remember. I went to see them a couple of years back in Bethlehem Pa. It was their first time playing the states in a long time and they were fantastic. Some of their most recent albums have been pretty good. I loved Graffiti Soul, it’s a good album for you to check out if you haven’t already.
@@greengrass1072 i saw them on the return to the states tour few years ago too but at Roseland in NYC. I just picked up Neapolis after hearing an intv with Mel Gaynor. They kinda lost me after Good News so I appreciate the suggestion. I'll check out Graffiti fer sure.
Judas Priest- Defenders of the Faith to Turbo
Boston debut to Dont Look Back
Twisted Sister Stay Hungry to Come Out and Play
Rush Signals to Hold Your Fire
Raven All For One to The Pack is Back
I disagree on Boston and Rush
I agree on your list - I know Raven's 'Stay Hard' gets ripped, but I don't mind it so much - but you're right - The Pack is Back is just awful....fucking Atlantic ruined that band!
Raven, absolutely (they have a new album out by the way)... but Signals was followed by Grace Under Pressure (which qualifies for me, didn't care for it at the time, like it a little better now but it's still deficient in proggy arranging)...
Montrose is a great example, great debut, paper money big climb down.
I do quite like Paper Money, but this is nonetheless a prime example of the concept. Despite my quite liking PM, Montrose is one that immediately sprang to mind for me as well.
You beat me to it, I was thinking the same thing: how disappointing Paper Money was, after their seminal debut Montrose.
Sammy blames Ronnie for wanting to take the band in a new direction after the stellar debut. Sammy says he himself drove the direction of the debut and Ronnie felt threatened that he was gonna lose control of the band to Sammy.
The Final Cut after The Wall
Caribou after Goodbye Yellow Brick Road
Peter Gabriel: Us after So
Queensryche: Promised Land after Empire
Down on the Upside after Superunknown
BTW, I like most of these albums, but they fit the "Letdown" after the Mega Album thing, either in sales and/or in artistic merit relative to the preceding album.
Live: "Secret Samadhi" after "Throwing Copper"
Bush: "Razorblade Suitcase" after "Sixteen Stone"
Pearl Jam: "Vs." after "Ten"
Silverchair: "Freak Show" after "Frogstomp"
Wallflowers: "Breech" after "Bringing Down The Horse"
@@midohiobuckeyeaorwarrior9743 Throwing Copper and Sixteen Stone are both solid albums. Samadhi and Razorblade letdowns. I have to admit I don't own or listen to the others.
Boston: Boston-Don't Look Back
Uriah Heep: Sweet Freedom - Wonderworld
Rush: A Farewell to Kings - Hemispheres (I know many love this one, but I don't. least played Rush album I ever bought)
Eagles: Hotel California - The Long Run
Ken Hensley: Proud Words on a Dusty Shelf - Eager to Please (from a top ten fave to one of the most disappointing albums I ever bought)
Meatloaf: Bat Out of Hell - Dead Ringer (however if I classified this as Jim Steinman it would be Bad for Good to Dead Ringer)
Tommy James and the Shondells - Crimson and Clover-Cellophane Symphony
"Circumstances," "The Trees" and "La Villa Strangiato" are awesome tracks from "Hemispheres."
@@midohiobuckeyeaorwarrior9743 2 out 3 ain't bad
!st 3 that came to my mind were - Tusk !, Who do we Think we are !! and the Final Cut, the Who By Numbers and Technical Ecstasy complete my 5.
Who do we think we are is one of my fave Purple albums. Like that one much better than Machine Head.
Same for me !
Asia Alpha was a great example. Totally agree with Tusk.
My choices:
Boston - Third Stage after Don’t Look Back.
Steven Wilson - To The Bone after Hand. Cannot. Erase.
Pink Floyd - The Wall after Animals.
Aerosmith - Permanent Vacation after Done With Mirrors.
I'm a huge fan of Tusk, one of my favorite records. Great video guys, I'll be looking forward to a part II. How about this one? The Allman Brothers - Win, Lose or Draw following the #1 Brothers and Sisters.
"Love Will Find a Way" > "Owner of a Lonely Heart"
Exactly!
I loved Big Generator when it came out. I heard Love will find a way on the radio and immediately went out and bought it. Then I became a lifelong Yes freak after that and went and bought everything eventually. Final Eyes and I’m Running will always be favorites of mine. Saw Yes west 4x plus the Union tour, love Trevor Rabin.
Perhaps but Big Generator was nowhere near as deep as 90125
@@michaelboggus9993 true.
who do we think we are is a classic..Our Lady.. Rat Bat Blue.. I love it
Rat Bat Blue makes me want to throw furniture out of hotel windows, it's a rager.
Love when you two go in on these bad album covers! And of course great show as always with Martin. Gonna be re-watching this one like I do all of them! Thanks, Pete.
*1)* Boston - Don't Look Back ---> Third Stage / Walk On / Corporate America
*2)* Pink Floyd (twice) - The Wall --> The Final Cut / Division Bell --> Endless River
*3)* Led Zeppelin (twice) Physical Graffiti --> Presence / In Through the Out Door --> Coda
*4)* The Cars - Heartbreak City --> Door to Door
*5)* Henry Paul Band - Grey Ghost --> Feel The Heat
Stevie Wonder : "Journey Through The Secret Life of Plants" following "Songs In The Key of life"
Gentle Giant : "The Missing Piece" following "Interview"
Steely Dan : "Gaucho" following "Aja".
Weather Report : "Mr Gone" following "Heavy Weather".
Tony Williams Lifetime : "Million Dollar Legs" following "Believe It"
I have "Journey Through The Secret Life of Plants", and I love it!
@@christrump6501 Sure, but it was a huge letdown (at least commercially) after the success of Songs in the Key of Life.
@@arnaudb.7669 Stevie had an amazing run from Talking Book to Songs in the Key of Life, yes that was a huge letdown.
Personal Letdowns M-Y:
Menomena: Mines (2010) after Friend And Foe (2007)
Mike Oldfield: Heaven's Open (1990) after Earth Moving (1989)
Moby: Animal Rights (1996) after Everything Is Wrong (1995)
Moody Blues: Octave (1978) after Seventh Sojourn (1972)
Mott The Hoople: Wildlife (1971) after Mad Shadows (1970)
Neil Young: Trans (1982) after Re-Ac-Tor (1981)
Paul McCartney: III (2020) after Egypt Station (2018)
Queen: A Day At The Races (1976) after A Night At The Opera (1975)
Randy Crawford: Windsong (1982) after Secret Combination (1981)
Raphael: Intimacy (1996) after Angels Of The Deep (1995)
Renaissance: A Song For All Seasons (1978) after Novella (1977)
Rush: Power Windows (1985) after Grace Under Pressure (1984)
Sea Level: On The Edge (1978) after Cats On The Coast (1977)
Simple Minds: Real Life (1991) after Street Fighting Years (1989)
Stan Ridgway: Partyball (1991) after Mosquitos (1989)
Steve Miller Band: Circle Of Love (1981) after Book Of Dreams (1977)
Steve Winwood: Talking Back To The Night (1982) after Arc Of A Diver (1980)
Tame Impala: The Slow Rush (2020) after Currents (2015)
Todd Rundgren: A Wizard/A True Star (1973) after Something/Anything? (1972)
Traffic: Shoot Out At The Fantasy Factory (1973) after The Low Spark Of High Heel Boys (1971)
Yes: Tormato (1978) after Going For The One (1977)
Definitely Queen-A Day At The Races after A Night At The Opera
Also Boston-Don’t Look Back after Boston debut
And Peter Frampton-I’m In You after Frampton Comes Alive
And Presence studio LP after Physical Graffiti
I agree with AC/DC Flick of the Switch...awesome album and is never talked about!
Sometime in NYC (72) John Lennon's follow-up to the MEGA Imagine (71)
Time Fades Away (73) Neil Young's follow-up to the MEGA Harvest (72)
Hot in Space (82) Queen's follow-up to the MEGA The Game (80)
Tonight (84) Bowie's follow-up to the MEGA Let's Dance (83)
The last one is an odd one, but everybody over 40 remembers the guy: Neither Fish nor Flesh (89) Terence Trent D'Arby's follow-up to the MEGA Introducing the Hardline (87)
TTD is NOT rock. These are rock albums, generally speaking.
@@midohiobuckeyeaorwarrior9743 Really??? TTD is not rock?? My life has no meaning anymore!! Well, Pete talks about other syles of music besides rock, as far as I know. Next time Pete talk about jazz, Pat Metheny, Genesis' Invisible Touch (just as pop as TTD) you can pass him a note from the rock police, alright? Jezz... and I don't even care for TTD,
@@angusiha "Invisible Touch" is a pop-rock album. 7 songs hit the Album Rock Tracks chart. TTD is 100% R&B.
@@midohiobuckeyeaorwarrior9743 Well, you forgot to mention the jazz/Metheny stuff, right? Well, rock police, the topic was MEGA album follow-up letdown, and TTD is a classic example (didn't know it was exclusive to rock releases).
Pink floyd The Wall
Pink Floyd Final cut wtf ?
Yea...that was Rogers leftovers.
I still listen to it once in a while though.
It has a few gems but not even close to the wall.
It is a big let down.
The final cut is a bit of an acquired taste but I've grown to greatly love the album over the years
The final cut is magnificent, u probably want to to listen to comedy,( it may not be a barrell of laughs)
The Final Cut grows on you once you accept that it's basically a Roger Waters solo album.
Led Zeppelin's Presence, I know it has Achilles Last Stand & Nobody's Fault But Mine, but it followed Physical Graffiti.
Yeah, that was an almost impossible task for LZ to follow up PG with something as good, but I will say Achilles Last Stand is my favorite LZ song ever.
No album could follow Physical Graffiti.
I like Presence better than PG. PG is a bottom tier Zep album for me.
rick schricter
Physical Graffiti is my all time favorite album.
I also like black licorice, so it could be me.
@@rickschricter agreed, the first half of that album carries it. Other than 5 songs it’s just too much junk.
I'm not really a big hard rock fan, more into punk and hardcore but I am a rock DJ so always enjoy your vids when I get home from work and have a few beers.
Yes: Tales from Topographic Oceans following Close to the Edge. Tales was a waste of 4 sides of vinyl. CTTE is a masterpiece.
How can any band surpass an album such as CTTE...
You do have a point about Tales. I can’t argue that it is not overblown, self indulgent, and hard to get into. I would never recommend it to someone to introduce them to Yes. However, as a big fan, I do enjoy side 1 and there are good moments on the other 3 sides.
Couldn't disagree more both these albums are my favorite yes albums
Blackfoot: Marauder to Siogo (sorry Martin but it’s brutal), Tull: Thick As. Brick to Passion Play, Dio: Last In Line to Sacred Heart, Who: Quadrophenia to Who by #s, REO: Hi Infidelity to Good Trouble (glaring drop off in the early MTV era)
good trouble is awful i tried to like it but the songs are so weak
"Siogo" has some really good songs on it, like "Send Me An Angel" and "Run For Cover."
@@jennycooper5364 "Stillness Of The Night" and "Keep The Fire Burnin'" are the highlights on the album. The deeper non-hit songs are always the ones to which you should lend your ears.
@@midohiobuckeyeaorwarrior9743 i agree keep the fire burnin is a good song but in my view its a average album
Yes Tormato.. what a comedown from GFTO
this is the ultimate letdown followup to a timeless masterpiece, took me a long time to recover from this, still workin on it lol.
Tormato isn't that bad people.
@@user-cn2jf8jj1v It sounds like a LEGO version of Yes
Tormato has three or four good songs, but my overall impression is that the album sounds like one of those mediocre odds-and-ends collections that record labels put out to cash in after a band has either ceased to be relevant or broken up.
@@sidefish8362 LOL, you're not far off
Pete I love your shows, always fantastic. I would however ask you please to tell your guests to name the records they are talking about because many times they will hold up the record and say "this album right here" and if I'm listening (not watching) while working or cooking or something it means i have no idea which album the are talking about. Thanks and I love you're work.
Def Leppard - Adrenalize (after Hysteria)
Death Angel - Frolic Through the Park (after The Ultra Violence)
Huey Lewis and the News - Fore (after Sports)
Megadeth - So Far So Good So What (after Peace Sells)
Nevermore - The Obsidian Conspiracy (after This Godless Endeavour)
Night Flight Orchestra - Sometimes the World Ain't Enough (after Amber Galactic)
Queen - Flash Gordon and Hot Space (after The Game)
Slipknot - Vol 3 (after Iowa)
Suicidal Tendencies - The Art of Rebellion (after Lights Camera Revolution)
Disagree about Huey Lewis, the album after "Fore"---"Small World" was the dud.
Art Of Rebellion is my fav Suicidals album
Join the army after the debut suicidal album, I wasn’t ready for the shift in sound.
The Clash’s Sandinista after London Calling. I think Sandinista has its moments but it is a bit much as a triple album.
My thoughts as well! London Calling is a long album at over an hour's running time, but the style and genre variation and experimentations keep it from wearing out its welcome. But an hour-and-a-half is just too much for Sandinista.
Gotta wonder how differently it works in original triple vinyl form, though. I'd imagine it'd be much more digestable in three distinct chunks.
Yes exists today thanks to those Trevor Rabin songs. Changes is a killer song. Better than anything on tales from somniferous oceans
That’s a hot take!
Haha!
Thank you Pete and Martin, I love these discussions. Its all about the music, and I love the Sea of Tranquillity fans for discussing music with me. Its good for the soul.
i love Big Generator !
I will never forget 1996, hearing "Until it Sleeps"... could hardly wait after the Black album and the Binge and Purge box set in 1993. Metallica's "Load" really hit me hard.
Personally I loathe the song "King Nothing" off that album, don't mind a few other tracks.
I feel like you could cut out the "Okay/Good" songs from Load and Re-Load and get like a 8-10 Track album out of those 27-28 Tracks.
@@Maximillian200HP True, I have made a few playlists over the years of just the better songs from each. Makes them more listenable for me.
@@dtltmtgt they are definitely track-by-track albums and not just ones where you throw them on and listen to the whole thing like their first 5. But Fixxer and Outlaw Torn are easily two of my top 10 favorite Metallica songs, they deserved to be on better albums. lol
Load is a load of crap
I agree 100%. I was so pumped up for Metallica's next album at the time. Then Load came out and I hated it so much I gave it away for free.
For me, a band where I love their first five albums, but then they had a stylistic shift that has been a huge letdown for me. The Red Hot Chili Peppers. I love those first five albums (RIP Hillel) but everything after Blood Sugar Sex Majik is just a let down and doesn’t grab me like those first five do. Still some songs that I really like, but as a whole, their albums after those first five just don’t grab me.
Blood Sugar is their best album and after that the albums were average they became too commercial
Californication and Stadium Arcadium are average? Difficult men to please apparently.haha
@@KickflipGnasty oh I never said their later stuff was average. They’re great musicians, recording great music, it’s just not my cup of tea. I’m not a big alternative fan.
@@alexandergilles8583 That's totes fair! I definitely respect that. As a long time fan, I personally don't think their first album is up to snuff with their 90s/ 2000s stuff. Their second album is still awesome but I really don't think their first album is in the same league as the majority of their work.but I totally understand if alternative isn't your style of music it makes sense why there later stuff wouldn't be your cup of tea. Uplift mofo party plan through Blood Sugar is definitely their best, no ifs, ands, or buts about it ✌️🤘
@@KickflipGnasty I will say though, while as a whole, I still much prefer the first five, there’s still a bunch of californication and later era songs that I REALLY enjoy. it’s not so much of a hatred of or disdain for the later sound, just a matter of preference. I’m never gonna have an issue with someone playing any of the californication and later era albums. They’re a great band and I got to see them put on a great show in atlanta during the getaway tour
I have to hand it to you Pete and Martin, this was a great topic,
Been waiting for you guys 🍻🤠🍻
Deep Purple: I consider that Fireball and Who Do We Think We Are good albums.
I agree. Fireball is my favorite and Who Do We Think We Are is sort of an hidden gem. I like every song on both!
Fireball is a monster of an album
@@terrytheman3317 Ian Gillan's favourite too. Those two `Critics` think because they don't rate something- its set in stone-a fact- no good! Well, "Bollocks" Their `bad` L.Ps are others `Greats`
I struggled with `The Long Run` after `Hotel California`. As a side note `The Long Run` was the first album I bought that cost over £4. That made it hurt a little bit more lol.
Also disappointed with `For Those About To Rock` after `Back In Black`
Considering the Eagles stated they broke up over the Long Run, everyone agrees that album was a letdown
I’m surprised they both dissed “Woman From Tokyo”. Not the greatest album in the grand scheme of things, but it’s a song worthy of being on their greatest hits. I always liked it.
Another great video and discussion. Sammy Hagar really needs to release an album called "Hangin" Chords".
A few that come to mind...
*Afterburner* by ZZ Top. ‘Eliminator’ wasn’t one of their very best records, but it was a good LP. The follow up lacked memorable songs and had a truly horrible ‘80s production that made it sound as if it had been recorded by robots.
*Big Generator* by Yes. The follow up to the remarkably fresh ‘90125’, this one was utter garbage. Shipped gold, returned double platinum.
*Emotional Rescue* by The Rolling Stones. Coming after the career rejuvenation of ‘Some Girls’, it was tedious, lazy, throwaway shite. Title track was good, though.
*No Jacket Required* by Phil Collins. Coming three years after his superb ‘Hello... I Must Be Going’, this one saw the start of his slide into AOR mediocrity. Slow, sickly sweet ballads, glossy production, horrible Yamaha DX7 keyboards. Yuk, yuk, yuk.
And my last choice has just come to me... *Flash* by Jeff Beck. I adored ‘There and Back’, which is probably his second best instrumental LP, and he followed it up with this ghastly abomination of a record. God I was disappointed when I first heard it! I don’t think Nile Rodgers was a great choice for producer, and I say this as a huge fan of the man. He has made some of the greatest records of all time with Chic and Sister Sledge, but this one... it sounds truly horrible. Everything I hate about the ‘80s encapsulated in one lousy album.
I'm with you except for No Jacket Required, which I think has a clearer vision than Hello (which I do love). I think it's a definitive 80s pop album, akin to Thriller, Sports, etc.
Totally agree with your picks except for Phil Collins '"No Jacket Required" which I think is excellent, well crafted, with a lot of variety and a ton of memorable hooks!
Dynasty by Kiss. I really personally enjoy the album but how can you think following up Love Gun with Dynasty? Or better yet following up Dynasty with Unmasked
Yeah the band really lost its way during this period. I give them credit for trying new stuff but it just didn’t work.
Or even following-up *Unmasked* with *Music From 'The Elder'.* 🙄 Those were each 3 big drop-offs until they came roaring-back with *Creatures Of The Night.*
@@bobthebear1246 Which sold poorly. The band didn’t even mount a tour to support that album. I always thought that was interesting. Their big hard rock comeback (which I agree is a good album) totally bombed.
i feel you on the snow...down here in East Texas we got nearly two feet of snow and today was the first day with above freezing temperatures since Saturday
Another great show from Pete and Martin. I thought of a few of these before watching, especially ZZ Top from Eliminator to Afterburner. My five:
1. REO Speedwagon - Hi Infidelity to Good Trouble
2. Queen - The Game to Hot Space
3. Spin Doctors - Pocket Full of Kryptonite to Turn It Upside Down
4. Gin Blossoms - New Miserable Experience to Congratulations I'm Sorry
5. Hootie and the Blowfish - Cracked Rear View to Fairweather Johnson.
@Martin Popoff Thank you Martin!
I actually really like Big Generator except for the title song and the cover.
Who Do We Think We Are is a fantastic album. Just another example of people listening to the critics.
Yes so underrated!
Always loved it!
That’s why Deep Purple called the album “ Who do you think we are” it was in response of the bad reviews from critics.
Yes... Another Purple great album 🤘🎸🤘
Pete and Martin , you guys work so well together, loved it Keep it up 👍
It s one of the most interesting shows that you ha ve ever done!!Great subject!!!I think it would be great to do part2,part3,etc.Thank you
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