UFO Abduction Or Accident? The Disappearance Of Mark Strittmater
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- čas přidán 11. 09. 2024
- This video is about the disappearance of Mark Strittmater. I've always been fascinated by UFOs and UFO abduction, so when I heard rumors like that swirling around Mark's case - I knew I had to look into it. Fortunately, Mark's remains were discovered rather recently and the case was subsequently closed. This video covers what I found after reviewing the investigation into his disappearance. As always, I think there's something of value to gain from analyzing this case.
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Couldn’t help but notice that there is no reason whatsoever to think UFOs had anything to do with his disappearance.
But it helps to sell books and make “documentaries”
Couldn’t help but notice that there are reasons to think UFOs had everything to do with his disappearance
Like he said this man's body was found a month before the movie came out.
@@Diddley_Squat I learned all I know about love from your show
@@kylegood2622 I don't get it
God, please, if I must disappear please don't let my last known sighting be a "Kum and Go."
I had a similar thought.👍
Do they have a dumpster there...
I been to that exact Kum and Go
What is a kum and go? Is it just a small grocery type shop? And does the name sound as dodgy in US English as it does in UK English?
@@OllieNorthover Very dodgy-named convenience store
I'm a resident of Carbon County, and I remember when he went missing. I hadn't been aware that he had been found. I've never heard of anyone in the area thinking that he'd been abducted by visitors from space. These things happen with people hunting during a snowstorm.
I'm an Iowan that's a regular visitor to Carbon county. My friends out there regularly point out where people have went missing or have been found (usually during some sort of inclement weather) when we're out away from pavement. It's a constant reminder for me to watch my step out there, it's easy to let things get out of your control and be a long ways from help.
There have been instance of people in Rawlins, WY freezing to death from hypothermia while out in a blizzard within city limits.
Who said they were from space? The government has alien reproduction vehicles. Mark knew too much. May he rest in paradise and his family find some peace.
@@BungieStudiosso how much weed have you been smoking lately
Seems funny that Kim went to the truck and checked it yea I bet she put the phone in the truck she got from her lover who killed mark or her brother killed him she is the one
As a bow hunter I can testify that it is easy to have bad accidents or bad decisions become life threatening very quickly. No aliens are required. Thank you for this update. May he be at peace.
Ancient Astronauts say NO!
“No aliens are required” :D I loved this comment!
I also couldnt see how the alien thread came into this picture…
I concur that no aliens are required. Still, when they are involved, desperation sets in pretty fast.
It was aliens, Stop ✋️ making stuff up 🤬
@@baneverything5580
😂 Ancient Astronaut theorists are part of the Dunning-Kruger brigade.
I grew up in the mountains of Virginia, and I got to know the woods very well. I had travelled up and down a particular mountain on hikes with friends over a dozen times, and I considered myself to be very familiar with the terrain. One winter day, a friend and I hiked up the mountain, and as we got near the top, it began to snow, and it snowed hard. Big dabs of snow came down, and suddenly the visibility was compromised. We could barely see 15' in front of us. The snow began to fall fast, and soon the familiar trail that we had taken up the mountain disappeared beneath the snow. Despite both of us knowing the area well, we completely lost the path down the mountain. The snow kept falling, and we knew needed to get down from the mountain one way or another, so we headed downward, making our own path. This was pretty dangerous, as the snow had reached 6" within about a single hour, and the cloud cover was so thick that the evening sunlight was non-existent. We managed to get down off the mountain, but we're lucky that we didn't break our legs on rocks hidden beneath the snow. By the time we made it off the mountain, over a foot of snow had fallen.
My point? In a snow storm all bets are off. It's easy to get lost or disoriented in regards to direction, landmarks, etc, and judging things like distance become problematic. Weather may have played a major, major factor to what happened to Mark.
Pharmacist here: I can tell you’ve done your homework concerning the medications Mark was using. I think the role of these drugs taken in combination cannot be understated. The impairment they cause would definitely affect rational decision making for Mark. My heart goes out to recovering addicts and victims of the opioid epidemic no matter what the circumstances are.
Why would a doctor prescribe benzodiazepines for a recovering drug addict?
My counselor used to be a pharmacists and he really helps me understand that side of drug addiction.
@@spacetimeworm not all hospitals share info with eachother
And most addicts won't go around telling doctors they use or used to use drugs.
@@spacetimeworm Because they can really really really help you, actually one of the only things tht ever worked for me and helped me quit opiods
I cannot put into words how much credit you deserve for how respectful you are towards the subjects of these cases. Whether, victims, search crews, and even investigators. Never criticizing people, rarely presenting speculation as fact, and only whipping out personal info when its truly necessary. I would hate for the details of my life to be put under the microscope by strangers on the internet, so it's great that you try to avoid that.
I think you just did put it into words. Congrats!
I think you nailed it right there! Logical reasoning and respect for those lost is more engaging (at least to me) than the supernatural ambulance chasing a lot of other ‘investigators’ do.
niles you said it perfectly :) 👍
Nicely said.
Be careful someone is about to doxx you
I think it is worth pointing out that many things can make you seem "drunk". I had undiagnosed, untreated type 1 diabetes for years and my family and friends thought I had a drinking problem and silently judged me.
I'm hypoglycemic and have difficulty gaining weight most of my family were convinced I was bulimic.🙄
My friends and family always thought that I had a drinking problem because I have a drinking problem...
As long as they were silent, am I right?
@@joycebowen8958 lucky bastid
My friends and family thought I had a meth problem, even though I was wise enough to only do meth made with brake fluid. This is why I could stop whenever I wanted.
Amazes me how many of these stories are about 'experienced' hunters who never pack for bad weather. My family hunts throughout the year and whatever the weather is, we always pack for the complete opposite. Sunny? We bring rain gear. Warm winter day? We bring gear for blizzard conditions. Smart prepared hunters come out of the woods alive.
Some experienced people may think that their experience means that they can take liberties with the known safety and survival protocols.
It becomes way less of a guarantee to make it out no matter how prepared you are the second you enter grizzly country. Know a few that have met that death.
Me and a friend hunting a number of years ago in a familiar area and we lost our bearings. After spending years in the army I always pack many items from food and clothing to cold weather and rain gear a small tent etc etc. Fortunately I also carry a topographical map and compass and know how to use them. I navigated both of us out of the woods only about 200 yards from my truck. It was a cold rainy day. My friend didn't bring shit. Not even water. Which made me mad because he was using mine up. To me u come prepared even if u don't think it's necessary. Has we been really lost what I had would last about 4 or 5 days rationing. 2 people maybe 2 days. In a survival situation he would have been a serious liability
@@anonymike8280 Not likely........... The Med's could cause this for sure............
@@DROPTINE True.
Thank you for pointing out what Suboxone is and does and the fact that it eliminates you from feeling the effects of other drugs. Mark's Suboxone treatment shows he cared about himself and others and had sought out medical treatment to maintain a productive life, just as I did 12 years ago. I'm unsure of what happened to Mark but I also respect his choice to get medical help to get off of Opoiods. God Bless You Brother. 🙏
Hahahahahaha. If he cared, he wouldn’t have been a junky.
Agreed regarding everything you said...Coming from someone that's taken Suboxone, and that's been in recovery from opiate addiction for 17 years. I hope he's at peace now.
He ruined that caring about himself stuff when he’s on benzos . That isn’t recovery. It’s trading addictions to one where the withdrawals can kill you
Unfortunately, after hearing all the evidence, I think he probably was fighting falling asleep and got caught in a snowstorm. With all the evidence combined he then suffered hypothermia and just fell asleep. Then he was predated by an animal which would explain only finding some bones in the area they were found. The rest of his body was drug off and scattered in all directions. Sad story. My prayers for the friends and family.
The question is why the hell he’d take those meds while hunting. That is an incredibly stupid idea, the bottles have warnings to not operate heavy machinery. The fact that he had the whole bottles with him makes me lean towards suicide.
@justkittensbeingkittens5892 the simple answer is that he was an addict. Even if he was in recovery for opiates, addicts are very often still looking for the feeling and experience that substances provide.
@@justkittensbeingkittens5892 as a recovering addict, logic isn’t involved whatsoever when it comes to our addictions. I used to take my stuff at any time that I wanted to if I could, whether it was just a chill time of day or right before I had something really important to do. If I felt like taking some and I could, I was gonna take it, consequences be damned
@@jesusoropeza8625 Damn straight !!! (now).
I believe the evidence here supports this theory more than anything else. May we all have a moment of silence for the addict who suffers.
That David Paulides pulled a UFO abduction from this case tells me all I need to know about him. Did he even bother reading all of the contributing factors in the report? Nick, your work is thorough, logical, and well-reasoned. This was a tremendous presentation. You continue to impress.
nobody's perfect. choosing to ignore literally all other evidence of all other unexplainable cases simply because of one Missing 411 case ending up being likely drug-related tells me all i need to know about you. very closed-minded and afraid of the unknown.
@@flannelpillowcase6475 Other cases? Such as??
I'm not advocating for Paulides, but it's a bit different when a body is found, everything before it becomes much more obvious. The movie was produced prior to knowledge of a body. But you are right, I have noticed Dave does seem to focus on certain aspects and completely ignore others. Not only that, he makes no mention of them. Whether he does it purposefully or not, he tends to lead you down a certain path. However, having that said, I don't think Dave Paulides is a bad person, I do enjoy alot of his work, and I do believe there are truly bizarre cases that suggest something unnatural. The issue is once you are proved to be wrong, everything else you do becomes clouded by judgement and diluted.
@@flannelpillowcase6475 Ignoring or omitting important, factual, easily obtained data about a case (data that also just so happens to go against your narrative) is not an imperfect person making a mistake. These were not little details that were missed. I wouldn't trust this person's research, as it's obviously biased & is clearly not scientifically gathered nor following established forensic investigative protocols....& yet they are positioning themselves as some sort of expert.
@@flannelpillowcase6475 there are other cases that David omits vital information. I like Dave but I’m just being honest
I used to respect Paulides, until I learned over time how much information he omits in order to suit his narrative. Yours is the preeminent missing persons channel on CZcams. Good work.
It wasn’t the fact that he tried to make regular missing persons cases seem like it was big foot or aliens?
Yeah. He seems kind of slimy.
He also adds downright lies to his stories to fit his narrative.
Paulides did some stories in Australia in areas I knew well. He made many things that were perfectly normal seem ‘bizzare’. I stopped watching his stuff after that.
If for nothing else, Paulides deserves a little respect for bringing these missing cases to worldwide attention. He also gives good advice for ways to not be amongst the missing by using a personal locator, a compass and good maps, adequate clothing, bear spray, and a gun, etc. and to not go off on your own. All good advice that has nothing to do with aliens or bigfoot, etc. If it makes people more thoughtful about planning trips into the wilderness it can only be a good thing, whatever the reason people go missing. I think Paulides is too open minded for some, but he's inspired many people to go back into these cases. 🤷♀️
You did a fantastic job explaining the situation. I grew up with Mark and I was part of the search team that went out every time to look for Mark.
🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
What do you think happened?
He gets home at 1:00 am and leaves at about 5:00am to go hunting. I love hunting but that's insane. I can't help but think that lack of sleep might have had something to do with this.
I've done an elk hunt with less sleep. Can't stay home with a short season just for a little shuteye.
"......and I'd like to thank the Carbon County Sheriff for charging me an arm and a leg for them" 🤣🤣
One question bothers me, if the guy was texting about missing a deer and yet his phone was found in his truck-that means at some point he got back to his vehicle yet walked off again and left his phone. Of course it could just be a slip in judgement due to being under the influence, but I find it strange.
Fantastic point!
I picked up on this oddity as well....Plus his girlfriend said that he never drives that far down this particular road...... These two glitches raise a red flag in my book.....My gut tells me something nefarious happened to this man! This area is also a hot cluster zone of the 411 phenomenon.....
@@markpettie681 people always love to believe "something naferious" happened. Just because he didn't normally (or never before) go down that far on the road doesn't mean he couldn't or wouldn't in the future. Personally i don't see anything in this case that points to anything but a accidental tragedy.. maybe took too much of the diazepam and/or alprazolam and got disorientated and was fighting falling asleep when the snow storm hit which would have only made him more disoriented, then if hypothermia kicks in with the drugs he either collapses or sits to rest and just never gets up again. Then animal predation scatters his remains..
I personally also found it strange that both his girlfriend and his friend took things out of the car before the police could investigate
Drug deal?
I really like how fair you treat the victims in these stories, I really feel that you do their stories justice.
I ❤❤😂
@@rinfal3337 100%
I knew mark and this is trying to make money off his case and lie about it
@@kayajean4706He's been the most respectfull out of any youtuber talking about this case and he brings facts to the case. If it was me I would want someone like Nick to bring a respectful attitude and rational thinking to my case instead of having a bunch of people thinking I was abducted by aliens or God knows what else.
This dude has all his ducks in order and the detailed info and through fact checking puts this channel at the top of the 411 heap! Big respect to you bro!
Also, he was very familiar with the area and had even worked as a guide there, so he probably had a false sense of security about his ability to get out of any missteps.
I honestly believe this man's disappearance is due to a series of unfortunate events or even suicide. Although the coroner ruled out a gunshot to the head, they never recovered the skull, he apparently had health issues, was under the influence of anti anxiety meds, and the rifle had a spent cartridge loaded as if it had been shot and dropped without extracting the shell casing. Respectfully, my heart goes out to his family and friends. I hope someday they get the closure they deserve. Subject matter aside, this is a fantastic channel and very informative content. Keep up the good work!
I thought suicide as well when I saw the shell still in the chamber.
@@MrEpeeFencer Yup. An experienced hunter (and he was) would either clear the chamber or load another round. You don't want the sound of the bolt being worked to alert a sighted prey.
The other possibility is that he accidentally shot himself, perhaps not fatally, maybe while using the rifle as a brace or something to climb over something... and then, wounded, on medication, and disoriented tried to hike around to either find his truck or a major road, and finally died from the wound.
Five miles from his truck is certainly not a "shocking" distance, but in the woods that can be up to a full day's travel, depending on terrain. The remains were found in an area fairly close to one of the Forest Roads on the map. It wasn't out in the middle of nowhere, like if he deliberately wanted to kill himself and was trying to get as remote as possible. Obviously there was some "animal activity" on his body, and parts were dragged around which is why no other bones have been found or likely ever will, but it wouldn't have been *that* far. He definitely died close by where the few scattered bones and personal effects were found.
I think he suffered either a firearm accident via an ND, or some medical issue, and got lost/confused while trying to find help in bad weather and an emergency situation. No UFOs involved at all.
How on earth could the coroner rule out a gunshot wound to the head when they never found the head?
@@ananthropomorphictalkinggo6641 agreed. I have no idea.
I think this is one of those cases that will never be truly solved.
You did a fantastic job describing this case. As a wy hunter myself I can tell you it can be easy to get turned around and think you're bigger than the storm heading your way. I think it was an unfortunate event
So sad his remains were found that close to the highway, that area is easy to get turned around in as well.
Agree
I got lost in Montana a little west of Glacier when I was 16. People who haven't been around large areas of wilderness really have no clue how expansive and dangerous these areas are. It's easy to get turned around and disoriented in decent weather, let alone a snowstorm. Throw in multiple accounts of him being noticeably under the influence and there isn't much of a reason to even bring UFOs the story.
@@thomascorrigan8162 It's tragic how many people end up dead while making their way towards safety. But, sometimes you almost make it.... almost.
What part of california are you from?
So I’m only halfway thru, but I’m going out on a limb and saying that no UFOs we’re involved.
So I’m only halfway thru, but I’m going out on a limb and saying that UFOs were involved.
Same
where did you get that apostrophe in 'were' lol. "that no UFOs we are involved"?
*So I’m only 0.9 seconds thru, but I’m going out on a limb and saying that no UFOs we’re involved.
@@flannelpillowcase6475 probably autocorrect
This is a good channel, a serious alternative to more sensational offerings. I like the plain speaking and the easy pace. The overwhelming majority of these disappearances have mundane causes and saying so just brings the humanity of the victims and survivors into focus. Also, grateful for the muting of a four-letter word here - respectful and refreshing. Many thanks to the creator.
It's pretty annoying how a situation that was obviously a product of someone becoming hopelessly lost is blamed on aliens. People are dumb.
Click bait.
@@debbiesittard7653Yes.
It's amazing how an event like this can be portrayed by someone out to make money (Paulides) and by someone interested in finding the truth. The latter maintains dignity for the victim and their families. Thanks for an honest video.
I had run in with that bunch when they trying become Bigfoot Experts camping on posted land. Sheriff was going make them leave. But everybody way too drunk to drive,. gave them 24 hours clean up property and be gone. I call sheriff back show him huge bunch trash they left behind. I had to clean it up, Not nice people at all. Now everybody is finding out how they really are.
@@Houndini David Paulides has written some very interesting and mysterious cases of missing people. Take Dr James Mcgrogan's case, if you haven't heard of it, I'd recommend watching the video, if you have,can you explain how he ended up where he was found. Sorry, this comment was meant for Brad
@@Houndini Yeah, they don't seem very professional.
@@dukeofenglandyour drug addled brain couldn’t grasp the nuances.
Are you unaware of just how much time and money it takes to investigate missing person cases? There is absolutely nothing wrong with needing to be paid for your work. I bet you dont work for free, do you??????????? In future please engage your brain before you mouth off.
Thank you so much for your respectful attitude toward the victims and level-headed, rational research and logical conclusions in these cases. It's so refreshing to not to have to listen to a bunch of paranormal woo-mongering. It's so terrible that people have to cloud these disappearances and tragedies with that stupid crap just to get more views or make money off of sensationalism. I can't believe anyone took a vague comment from this poor guy's girlfriend and turned his disappearance into some wild UFO abduction story. Absolutely ridiculous.
Never stop making these. They are both entertaining and really really good lessons on mistakes that anyone who hikes or hunts needs to learn to keep themselves safe
Edit: Please if you go hiking or any outdoor activity of an area that is hard to reach or far from people PLEASE PLEASE learn from this channel. Take classes/research saftey. The Outdoors are extremely dangerous if you do not equip yourself correctly. Go in groups. Take GPS and beacons incase you get lost. Stay put only move if you will die in the next day or so. Be prepared for the weather. Go togther never go alone if able. Please please please stay safe and learn from this channel stories. Stay safe.
Yeah let's use his disappearance and tha trauma of his family for a few tips. Yeah, bollocks to Mark hey 🙄
@@intothewild5045 It is important for anyone to learn from failures and mistakes of other to become better themselves. Mark made the mistakes of, Going out hunting alone, going out without a GPS, Not informing anyone of where he was specificly hunting, and worst of all going out hunting when a snow storm was near without backup snow gear incase of getting lost or trapped. I feel terrible for Mark as I do with all other on this channel but a common theme comes up over and over with the same mistake being taken over and over. If mark did the above he may or probably would of survived and be saved but he didn't and he paid the price. A price that none of us should pay if we prepare ourselves carefully when ever we go out into the wilderness. Learn from people mistakes, don't repeat them.
@@ramblingsofadash5159 and?
@@intothewild5045 if you dont understand learning from other mistakes I have nothing else to comment
@@intothewild5045 You're not too bright are you?
I do like shows about unexplained disappearances, but always get very annoyed when they try to swerve into the paranormal. I like the saying, "Bold claims demand bold evidence" and all they have is "well, we are having trouble figuring this out". I grew up near the Colorado portion of the Routt-Medicine Bow national forest and it's pretty rugged land with storms that can whip up pretty fast. It wouldn't take much to get disoriented, especially if someone is alone and perhaps even just tired from lack of sleep. I wouldn't be surprised if more of his skeletal remains are discovered over time.
I think that, as much as I enjoy ascribing paranormal events to unexplained disappearances, this is very much explainable, and you have done an excellent job of doing so.
Absolutely love the work you put into these videos man
I was on Suboxone for 5 years. Your explanation of it was very well done. Suboxone doesn’t mix well with other depressants like alcohol or benzodiazepines. Can easily OD.
I take it daily and it mixes very well with alcohol, what I mean is it doesn't make you more or less drunk , it is also almost impossible to OD on Suboxone.
@@bogganalseryd2324 incredibly untrue. ODing on Suboxone alone is almost impossible but mixing it with benzodiazepines or alcohol (depressants) can easily cause respiratory failure as your passed out. Look it up buddy. If you get it from an actual legit doctor and not a pill mill, they will have strict requirements, testing you for alcohol and benzodiazepines specifically because of the increased risk for ODs. So your anecdotal evidence of not dying while getting drunk on Suboxone doesn’t actually speak to the actual mechanisms behind the drugs and how the receptors respond in the body. Will you instantly die if you mix Xanax and Suboxone? Of course not, does that prove it’s not dangerous? Of course not.
Suboxone has a ceiling effect so unless it’s a small child or an opiate naive person taking it you’re not going to OD.
There's absolutely no reason to think that a UFO was involved with dudes disappearance.
I agree.
I totally agree!
This presenter has a very clear and concise voice, and he is a pleasure to listen to!!!
You are right about your description of withdrawal and medications. I'm in a pharmaceutical psychoactive drug course and you are describing everything well. Puts this in perspective and wonder why David Paulides never mentions this in full detail.
Very well done and respectful analysis! I elk hunted that same exact area thirty plus years ago. Beautiful country! One afternoon a heavy snow hit and I literally walked in a big circle and found my own tracks. Very disorienting. I can sure see how weather, health problems and lack of gear could do one in!
I was hunting the same elk area the day he went missing. It was a bad blizzard. Very cold temps, wind and heavy snow. A truck and trailer rolled and blocked 71. I barely got off the mountain and got snowed in in baggs. Not sure how this turned into an abduction story.
This is one of my main issues with some of David Paulides' key points. The weather thing. He's got that backwards. He always alludes to bad weather being something that frequently happens in these cases but instead of saying that maybe the weather being bad is what CONTRIBUTES to them not being found, it's alluded to the change in weather being the product of some kind of subterfuge with intelligence behind it to assist in making sure the individuals are never found. It's kind of a "what came first...chicken or the egg?" situation but clearly, bad weather being involved being a common denominator amongst the missing cases is not evidence of something nefarious. It just simply is a thing that happens that would hamper anyone's search for a missing anything...person or otherwise. Not part of an evil pattern..
In the case of Dennis Martin at Great Smoky Mountains National Park, the weather the night of the disappearance is treated like it's unheard of. You can find plenty of news articles referring to heavy rains in the park, including a storm four years ago with four inches of rain and one fatality as a result of that storm. The storm at the time of the Dennis Martin disappearance was three inches of rain. This is probably what killed him, not the storm being a "cover-up" for his kidnapping.
That's a matter of opinion. Besides there are a ton of these cases in which the weather comes after. A ton
@@endtimesninja1235 yes that's true. Personally, I'm starting to see that it doesn't necessarily mean there's control of weather going on to deliberately hide the missing, or the disappearance is linked, in an undetermined as yet way, to bad weather.
Think about this; If the weather was bad before, most people would cancel or make othe other plans, if during, then some would turn back before it got too bad, so it's only logical that the weather being bad after the person goes missing is the much more likely scenario by pure common sense and statistics. "I want to believe" like Mulder, but if you look at this channels last video about Dennis Martin and his interview with the detective, you might start to see David Paulides storytelling a little different. Good luck in your search for the truth!
I think one thing people forget is that these parks are known for rapid weather change. It is stressed over and over again to be prepared for all conditions. I've had my own experiences with this but luckily not severe.
And usually, when people go missing in the wilderness, they chose a few days, a week, or a time period with good weather, clear skiea and possibly sunny. Because they want to enjoy outdoors and have nice views etc. So if people go missing on their planned hikes, or campings, huntings, they go missing under "good weather" so when he gets reported as missing its somehow normal that Weather gets worse. Like also all wilderness areas, mountain ranges, national forests have climate of their own, which changes few times during a day. So its not something unusual or sinister, or creepy that weather goes bad when searches are conducted.
He went [1] alone into remote wilderness forest, [2] without appropriate supplies and gear, [3] while likely tired if not near exhausted, and [4] while under the influence of several powerful narcotic drugs. A possible 5th point is that he was not a young man.
So when the weather turned against him, it is hardly surprising that things went south quickly and that the result was tragic.
As an avid deer hunter myself, the spent cartridge pictured in the chamber of his rifle is very concerning for me. No experienced hunter would consciously fail to expel a spent cartridge and reload another promptly. Because of this, I am entertaining the idea that he either used that shot to end his own life, or was so disoriented that his decision making was profoundly flawed at the time he discharged that round.
Idk man...I've done it before after smoking a big buck. I was excited and I forgot to rack another round. It hasn't happened in a while, but I've done it before.
@@FearNvl It does happen in moments of excitement, but not consciously. It seems he either was suffering from stress or he ended himself, was my point.
He got lost in the storm and probably died of exposure.
I really can't see why people are making more of it.
Great vid and in-depth analysis. This is a really great channel. 😊
As someone who has been on suboxone, I felt like total crap after 48 hours and I was still having withdrawal symptoms from it almost 3 months after I stopped.
Methadone is a full agonist where as buprenorphine is a partial. He had a decent amount of benzos
Yeah would be brutal coming down out in the cold wilderness.
I know this area well, and have been in those mountains many times. The mountains are the Sierra Madres. They're mostly remote, with one paved highway going through their north side and a bunch of dirt service roads snaking out from there. The two towns, Encampment and Baggs, that are on the east and west sides of them, respectively, are tiny. No cell phone reception. Any time I've been in those mountains, I haven't seen another person once I get off the highway. I think the UFO story is ridiculous. I've been up by battle mountain (in the Sierra Madres) in late June, when it was 70 degrees, sunny, and blue skies in the Saratoga valley. The elevation change when you get up in the mountains makes a huge difference, and the weather forms on top of you. On the mountainside, I noticed the skies to the west were starting to look dark, but couldn't see beyond the peak. Suddenly the wind whipped up and I was in a blizzard and had to hike out that same day. It's a flat lander mistake to not bring winter and survival gear always, no matter what month it is. Add in possibly being intoxicated on his part, with inadequate preparation and a blizzard, and it's not a mystery why he died. Seems straight forward to me, and it's happened here before, and it'll probably happen again. Seems like this guy's story only stood out because some movie said it might be aliens. Hope that sheds some light on it.
Thank you for being respectful to the families and friends of the missing people. These people go through hell. ♥️🙏🏼
I follow Missing411 and find myself questioning whether more information is ever found. As a hunter, I can attest that more than one mistake in the woods can be life threatening and Strittmater was compromised before he left the house. The deck was stacked and he lost.
I really appreciate the objectivity in your videos, and not employing the sensational rhetoric and cherry-picking that many Missing411 related accounts fall prey to. I feel that all to often these cases are considered with either a concerning lack of skepticism OR a completely closed minded dismissal of their more mysterious aspects. I also appreciate how much time you put into exhaustively researching these cases using solid, citable sources.
You do a fantastic job at providing multiple different viewpoints and balanced considerations on each case you examine and present, never outright dismissing the stranger aspects of the case while simultaneously looking at them with a critical eye. I look forward to more of your well made and thoroughly researched videos!
Kudos on thorough honest reporting and also using "wreaking" havoc instead of "wrecking" havoc. Pet peeve, I know. Some folks make a lot of money following the old axiom. Never let the facts get in the way of a good story. Thanks for using facts.
I'm so glad that you're out here in this subset of lore being the voice of reason.
Ahhh yes! Just when I needed something to watch.
“Marks remains found one month prior to the release of Missing 411: The UFO Connection”
LMAO😂😂😂😂
What's the funny part?
@@conveyor2 the funny part is that Paulides has claimed he was abducted by aliens in his documentary only for Mark’s body to be found a month before release of Paulides’ film. That kind of puts the kibosh on that theory and is irony defined.
It’s also another example of Paulides spreading of misinformation and the omission of important facts that do not fit his bogus narrative
Awesome channel bud ,loved how you look at all the facts and come up with possible scenarios as to what may have happened. I'm going to recommend you're channel....you should have more views
Great video as always! I would like to add a factor that isn't being discussed. Here's my take. Hunting can be very emotional. The thrill, high, and adrenaline from the hunt can be exhilarating. But at the same time a missed shot, or worse yet, a non-fatal shot on your target, can be the ultimate let down/bummer. Now, combine those emotions with the side effects of the drugs. I think this made Mark want to track down that elk he wounded. That's why he went further up the road in his truck instead of turning around and going home. And the side effects of the drugs made him think that the snow storm is no big deal that he can handle. The same way that alcohol minimizes your inhibitions. Being an experience outdoors man, he is good at not getting lost. However, being surrounded by trees in the middle of the snow storm would have had him in limbo. The one part that stumps me is... did he really die that fast from the elements? That seems a bit odd for an experienced outdoors man that is fully clothed.
that missing 411 guy really is shameless huh
understatement of the year
Agreed, David Paulides is a liar and a scammer.
You're a bit uninformed.
@@conveyor2 How so?
I'm a opioid addict thats been on Suboxone for years now. I later picked up a benzo addiction after building a tolerance to the subs and no longer felt any real high from those alone. The benzo- buprenorphine mix is very similar to the high I would get from straight up opioids, so I took them in excess. My memories of that period of my life are a complete blur. I would wake up in places with zero memory of how I got there. It's just dumb luck that I'm still alive. Anyways, these days most Doctors won't prescribe any benzos along with Suboxone as the mix can cause respiratory failure in some people. They would nod out and just quit breathing in their sleep.
No abduction here! Thank you for your great report. A string of bad decisions mixed with medications was the culprit. I prefer your work head and shoulders above Paulitis, and that's the truth!
The illustrations are always terrific. These lend a personal note to the stories.
I really enjoy your content, it is refreshing and super interesting and the way you deliver it is spot on. I'm a HUGE fan, ill be watching every video! Thank you for the time you spend to make these videos on niche subjects most don't discuss but I as well as many others find massively addicting.
Seriously impressed with the number of vids lately, man. Particularly with you doing the artwork as well. Appreciate it.
Regarding the Suboxone, he did a great job of explaining the effects. I took it for awhile and the victim would’ve had withdrawals a day or 2 after being off of Suboxone. Once you take it for a week or more you no longer have any “high” effects from it. So it wouldn’t cause him to be intoxicated, but the Diazepam/Xanax could easily cause disorientation. Really enjoy the channel and appreciate the research that’s put in it 🙏
Yes, that may be the case for you but the variation of withdrawal onset can be quite wide. But on average, you are right. Likely a day or two. But even then, being in withdrawal wouldn't be anything more than comfort level (which we all know is shitty). Diazapam though? Definitely a key factor here if he took enough. He may not have had any clue where he was whatsoever.
Also, I hope you are doing well now buddy! I have been down that road a couple times unfortunately so I know how it goes. Wish you all the best!
@@HzPjtvHYom4991 That’s a good point, being in withdrawal wouldn’t be life threatening. Unless he was also withdrawing from Xanax, and he’s been on it for a long period of time. That’s a different beast entirely.
I’m doing great thanks for asking, take care 🙏
@Brandon I was also thinking that. Suboxone wouldn't have helped him with those dependencies. Xanax and/or benzodiazapines? You are right different beast! For all we know, he could have also OD'd with that mixture, or fallen asleep in the snowstorm and froze to death.
Glad to hear you are still here!
Wrong.
An unfortunate guy caught out by a snowstorm he was unprepared for seems rather more likely than alien abduction. Fine work as always- very much the go to channel for these cases.
This channel deserves so many more subscribers, keep up the good work man
Just discovered your channel and I can’t get enough! Thank you.🧐
Thank you for your research, and objective story telling, and the respect you give to everyone involved. I myself was an opioid addict, and yes when I would withdrawal cold turkey I was 100% helpless. I am now clean, AGAIN, and so happy to be. People forget that benzodiazapines (Xanax and Valium) have some of the worst withdrawal out there.. the withdrawals off of benzos can literally kill you.
I went off Ativan, and it was about three months before I felt halfway normal. The first two weeks were hell. I was doing a gradual step-down under medical supervision.
Brother, I am so glad I found your channel a while back! you have constantly progressed and presented better and better content. your style and respect for the missing as real people with real lives is pure class. I have never been let down by any of your videos, always have been fascinated and grateful for your hard work and dedication. may God bless you and yours and I pray your days are filled with happiness, love and loved ones. thank you for being a light for these missing people and for always reporting with the utmost respect for all those affected, unwavering attention to detail and uncompromising allegiance to reporting the truth without resorting to unsubstantiated, "attention grabbing" tactics or sources.
They say you can't prove a negative, but you came close. You pointed out the trail of lost gear leading to the body, so that basically proves he wasn't whisked away in a flying saucer. Congrats. Very well done.
Right, but nobody found the gear for over a year. It’s easy to say now that he is found that look this proves such.
As someone who has been through opiate withdrawal, and is on suboxone. I appreciate how in depth you went into the subject and how correct you are.
Except for when he said that the two drugs in Suboxone help ease withdraw symptoms. It's only the one drug that does that, the buprenorphine. The naloxone doesn't ease withdraw symptoms at all, they put it in there for other reasons.
@@ShannonDove-sy7ye I didn’t catch that part. But you’re right. naloxone is just the abuse deterrent
@@Sinbrogan well, maybe I heard him wrong, but I don't feel like listening to it over again.
If that's not what he said, then I apologize.
Being on every single one of the medications you talked about there is no doubt in my mind that is what played the main role in his disappearance
I adore the way you thoroughly research & tell these stories. Really do look forward to the new ones. Many thanks. XXX
Clearly a series of misfortunes and bad judgement. I enjoy the thought of UFOs , but difficult to fathom on a serious level with a scenario like this. Excellent videos lately and really enjoy the avenues of realistic explanations.
Amen
19 minutes and already over 1,000 views!! Keep it up, Brother!! You're crushing!!
Thank you sir for putting out content more frequently. You do the best job of any of these missing persons channels. Credible and objective.
Growing up in an area where hunting was just a way of life, alcohol was almost always in use; not always to excess, but hunters for instance will arise very early, generally without their usual sleep schedule and duration. Hiking, dealing with cold etc. are all factors working against hunters. One careless step and you may find yourself at the bottom of a ravine. One must eliminate known factors before going to extreme theories, like ETs. You presented a very balanced portrait of this man.
I believe it is a combination of these factors:
addiction withdrawal, lack of sleep, hunger/thirst, bad weather, over-confidence
As someone who has worked/ lived in that area. I don't think you or really many other people understand just how incredibly bad those storms can get in that area. Def don't think ufo came down and beamed him up, if he was messed up on valum and Xanax I find it more likely he died from being messed up then aliens lol
Once again, well done and respectful. The time it must have taken to research this one case must have been immense. Great job sir.
the weather deteriorated and he wasn't able to get to shelter in time seems the most plausible of the two scenarios. The medication he was on probably hampered him in that particular situation.
Humble yet subtle shots thrown at the Paulides camp. I'm here for it. Somebody went for the more accurate story over the sensationalized one. 👍🏽
Thanks for illuminating another case. Your theory sounds better than alien abduction. Awesome work. Thanks so much
You are an incredible and talented creator. Please do not stop.
Literally just found your channel. Love your affect, storytelling is top notch and incredibly informative.i typically find that the most info filled videos are super boring so thanks so much for being interesting; as well as incredibly great at what you do ! Sending tons of good vibes and im now a happy subscriber :)
Interesting topic, well researched and presented. Subscribed and liked. Respect from England to our American friends.
As always great investigation! You always find more than what we have been told by others. I belief this poor man was not prepared for the sudden storm and lost his life due to that.
Your investigation into the Aaron Hedges case a while back blew my mind. I had been listening to David Paulides and he didn’t go into all the details that you did. This caused me to question DP and was already turned off by his arrogance. You do a MUCH better job. I’m always excited to see a new video pop up from you. Thank you!!😊
I suspect Paulides' problem is that he has constructed a narrative about missing people and then seeks out only the evidence or storylines that validate it. There's some genuinely weird stuff that he covers, but I always got the feeling he ignored evidence that made the story more mundane.
@@johnchedsey1306 Like the Dennis Martin case. DP’s narrative was not even close to what this channel has uncovered. This channel even reported the updates on the case while DP never did. Paulides really leans on the paranormal side of things which include Bigfoot, UFO’s, etc., doesn’t he?😊
Very rare that a benzo, much less 2 was prescribed along with Suboxone. A benzo can affect your breathing, the same as the Suboxone. With him being that tired, the meds may have affected him differently along with his breathing.
You said it perfectly, opioid withdrawal is one of the worst things imaginable. I was on prescribed pain pills for 13 years till I went to get help and got on soboxone myself. If you’ve not been through it then it’s almost impossible to understand how bad it is. It’s so bad that I never go anywhere w out soboxone in my pocket just in case . If he did begin withdrawals while way out in the backwoods and didn’t have his meds on him anything is possible . But I’m betting he did have them on him . I can’t imagine anyone would needs them would go far w out them
Speaking from experience I promise you this. There is no way on God's green earth he left his Suboxone in that truck and just wandered off.
It’s unnerving to me. I knew this man. Its been over 15 years since I’ve had any interaction with mark so i have nothing of value to add. Crazy how small the world is. Very sad for the loss.
I love your videos. I love that you stick to facts, while gently and respectfully questioning easy explanations involving UFOs or the supernatural that are not supported by evidence. I think what you do in getting the facts right and sticking with the facts and the evidence takes more work then producing clickbait about UFOs or ghosts or anything else.
You are so much better than Paulides. You give way more details and are logical. I really like your flannel shirt by the way!
😂
I appreciate how you use official documents, unlike that con artist David Paulides.
Likely died of exposure due to lack of preparedness for a snow storm and maybe illogical thinking due to lack of sleep and medications.
Weather plays a major roll in death in the wilderness!!!
You hit it on the nail. I believe it.👊🙏❤️🦅🇺🇸
I love that you called out the cop that charged you an arm and a leg. Hope he sees it
I love that you don't romanticize these or sensationalize them. You've got great content deserve way more subs man.
Another great video truthfully and respectfully telling a story and exposing the Missing 411 baloney.
Well, when you present all the evidence like that, definitely a UFO. You would have to be crazy to think a man on all those benzos, with little to no sleep could possibly get lost in a blizzard and succumb to the elements. Another win for Paulides. Oh yeah, It's April fools day.
I think this is best investigative journalism you have ever done.
As a recovering addict myself, I’d just like to reiterate that the disease of addiction has no reasoning and lends itself to not giving any reason to what the afflicted person’s actions. You can’t make sense of what some people in active addiction or under the influence might do. I hope that he didn’t suffer any more than he already had. I wish his family peace and healing.
As an aside: it was VERY refreshing to hear someone discuss his medications and their intended uses vs their sometimes off label uses. I appreciate that you took the time however you did to become well versed in the topic before discussing it and also doing so in a respectful manner. You never made him seem less than or like he deserved what happened because of this. Thank you.
If Mark had xanax on him and wasn't prescribed it, I highly doubt he was using it as it should be and more than likely was using it to get high. From experience, I know it's pretty easy to take too much and become super drowsy (nodding off), super disorientated (not really knowing what's going on or at the very least super slow to react) and lethargic (not caring about ANYthing). It honestly sounds like he was prob high on xanax on top of the valium (which is def similar), got lost and/or wandered off, getting stuck in the snowstorm and eventually passing from the cold.
George Penca's case from Yosemite fascinates me. I've never seen a thorough investigation of it. Rusty West touched on it in one of his case studies.
I am a resident of Wyoming and I don’t think people quite understand a) how little people there are here and b) how large this place is. Going hunting alone in a place as wild as Wyoming is almost certainly a bad idea. Add in the dangerous wildlife, weather, medications, and other exigent circumstances and it is almost surprising when people dont go missing.
Hunting alone in the wilderness comes with many risks. Hunting alone in the wilderness in bad weather without food and appropriate clothing is simply dangerous.
No way in hell his wife didn’t know he was either abusing opioids or in recovery…
Its never UFOs
That's what UFOs want you to believe.