Gatekeeping! Is It Really So Bad Or Is It In Fact A Natural And Desirable Defense Mechanism
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- Reupload of my gatekeeping video since part 2 will be along tomorrow!
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"A fandom without gatekeepers is like a fortress with its gates unbarred and unguarded."
"Blessed is the fandom too small for SWJs."
"A small fandom is easily filled with faith"
Gatekeeping a day keeps the Genestealer Cults away.
knowledge is power,guard it well
Build a wall or be subverted.
" I wanted to use Inclusivity for the good, for the Fandom. You must see that.".
The Critical Drinker does a good piece on this called why cannon matters.
Yeah I noticed that
I enjoyed the bit where Arch defines what he means by gatekeeping, it really has the air of a man that has had his words used out of context by malevolent forces one too many times
One or one thousand. LOL
Quite a lot indeed.
Cough Studio Fow Cough
We all will get out our words thrown out of context, especially on the internet
There are two types of gatekeeping one is good for a community, the other bad.
The bad kind of gatekeeping is preventing new people who have a genuine interest to learn and join from the community, this is frankly very rare.
The good kind is preventing people who have an ulterior motive or are hubristic in wanting to change something they have no right to change because they think they know better.
but how do you distingish between the ones who are truly honest to good interested in the hobby,and the posers who just found out about it and wanna participate because of the hype
@@Mr_D_OG A simple background check (aka are they a woke checkmark from twitter whose only desire is to virtue signal?)
@@Mr_D_OG If they are asking questions and want to listen to the answers, if they are emulating what others do and participating in the same way as others.
The subverters are pretty easy to spot, usually they have only been in the community for a few days to a week and are already telling people who have been in the community for years that they are doing things wrong or demanding change to suit them.
A good example would be people demanding a game be dumbed down ect. I've seen a few new Arma players that were like that, they joined a milsim group and immediately demanded things be made easier, IE access to more powerful vehicles, no stamina and dumbed down AI.
The anime community recently had a guy saying that "if you have only watched dragonball and naruto etc. you will be gatekept out", so it has already started.
@@Mr_D_OG It has to be a judgement call. Usually it's not too hard to tell as they will be 1. Trying to change the hobby and 2. Whining about gatekeeping when you say no.
It is a necessary evil.
It may not be nice, it may not be courteous; But I have seen many hobbies go down in flames because they were inclusive to the point where people who absolutely hated the hobby were allowed to make choices for others.
“Do you leave your house unlocked?”
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🐍 no step on snek! 🇭🇰🇺🇸
Its not an evil. It's a good.
We wont tread on you mr. Snek
Except we don't all agree on who should be gatekept out. Almost all of the people who are currently championing gatekeeping want people like Sargon and the Honey Badgers gatekept out because a certain e-celeb spent 2 years smearing them. Go ask them if you don't believe me, I got instantly blocked by Raging Golden Eagle on minds just for asking. You can't justify having poor principles by telling people that it's "for the greater good", that is exactly what the left does and it barely works solely because they have the media on their side.
All necessary evils are still just evils.
And no, it isn't good :P
@@insensitive919 That is a good point: the fact we don't always agree on who to keep out, that is.
One of the wisest words I have ever heard on this matter was this quote:
"Gatekeeping is the immune system of a fandom"
There is a reason why clubs have a bouncer: To improve the experience for the people in it.
The only ones against gatekeeping are those the gates were creates to keep out.
saying it like it is!
Like most things, Gate Keeping can be good to act as a safe guard to preserve the content a fandom enjoys, but can be taken to far when you have those snobbish elitists who think you must have an encyclopedic knowledge of said content to enjoy the content.
Yeah. Gatekeeping only works if you make a gate, not a wall.
...why is naked Arch sitting on a giant piece of butter and waffle? I'm not the only one seeing this, right?
He is warming butter with his pucker to atone for our sins
He's preparing for YT's next shafting. The last one was rather violent, so lubing it up makes sense XD
It is a reference to a statue called "The Thinker"
That is a cursed picture. I need more
I think this picture is more blessed than cursed
@@patrioticwhitemail9119 my bleeding eyeballs beg to differ. Still need more though strangely ^^
@@pegzounet You can't even see anything, grow up. Do your eyes bleed at the beach too?
I see no lasting negatives to gatekeepeing.
But think of the pearly gates!
It keeps undesirables out, and that's somehow bad.
The west is the only place where that's even a discussion.
Elitism.
The gatekeepers are the Passionate fans. The fans that instantly become story tellers when they get to talk about their hobby. They on their own are why many of us picked up a new hobby.
except when it turns into toxic hating when new fans who want to get into the series because said new fans don't have 10 hours a day to spend learning the entire lore of the world from inception to fall.
Case and point. True passionate fans don't gatekeep.
@@broccolinyu911 People focus too much on the negative.
Gatekeeping is how all of Western Civilization has been maintained (until recently.) Maybe we should have done more gatekeeping?
I'm serious. This is an argument that has many layers and ultimately boils down to civilizational continuity. There are forces that subvert and destroy the stories of a people, be they fictional stories created for entertainment or mythological origin stories of the very people themselves. The real question is "to what end?" Why, to end the people, of course.
@@bigbossgreek All of western culture and history is undergoing a long and slow deconstruction by subversive vandals. We're going to have to be like those people at the end of Fahrenheit451 that commit the classics of western literature to memory so that they live on.
@@carbonjohnson6414 or, we just, you know, *take care* of the problem elements.
@@bigbossgreek I appreciate the sentiment but I think that ship has sailed, my dude.
The Hero!
The Legend!
The Icon . .
STING!
Gate-keeping is not only a good thing, I dare say it is indeed a manly thing to do, protecting something you cherish and wishing to see it flourish.
So that's how one Waffles-on
I feel like I can smell that image 😅
"Don't answer that question, I already know the answer"
Psyker confirmed - black ship dispatched.
Basicly.
You want to participate in the fandom? Wellcome
You want to change the setting for your own politics morals or sencibilities? No.
^ Basically this
That is how it all started. Besides gatekeeping you need to purity test. Because otherwise you wake up and are in the minority and the changes happen.
@@iwankazlow2268 purity tests? This is not the inquisition my friend.
As a franchise gets mor popular, more people get in and they have different ideas about it thats just how it is, keeping people with no love or understanding of the franchise from making changes is what works best.
You dont let a stranger dictate changes for your company
many japanese franchise are as good as they are despite being manestream, that is becouse they know their audience they know their product and respec them both, with some notable exceptions...
@@Ballard258 You have obviously not seen the things right now taking place in the Anime industry because it is getting mainstream and westerners push into it.
How do you "gatekeep" without gatekeeping? The join all in, just don't change it attitude got us here. Geeks and nerds let "the mainstream" into their niches and those changed with every iteration into something bland.
Gatekeeping means to not let people in who have different values, to not let people in who if they even enjoy the hoppy do it for absolutely different reasons. You can only do that with "purity testing". You can have a person who is a Marxist into your hobby. He would somewhat behave 10 years ago. Today, because he was not kept out, he is a sleeper cell being activated.
@@iwankazlow2268 well thankfully most japanese studios know thes are not the people who give them money.
With a few exceptions as I said.
Like I said in the original video's comment section, Cap's new design could, with minor alterations, work great in a turn-of-the-century (1900) setting.
The premise of fighting against inequality could work great in both of those setting - for the latter in particular, I draw associations to the Virginia Coal Wars, Red Summer of 1919 and the burning of Black Wall Street, to name a few. What all the poor people getting stomped on by inequality could have acheived with Captain America by their side...
The title of "Cap Am of the Railways" gave me another idea. Like a proto-Cap, hoboing around the U.S. on freight trains and helping people in need wherever he finds them. Now that's interesting, new, unique! Never seen a cross country boxcar-ridin' superhobo before!
But insted, he gets rebooted for "muh divursuty," "amerika bad," and "raycism everywhere".
Just... no. So much missed potential.
I used to be against gatekeeping, now I've seen the error of my ways. I am now for border control. I'll let anyone who take interest into my community space but the moment you say some shit, you out.
Nice icon!
Naked Thinking Arch is back!
Is there context behind this? Particularly the waffle?
An open mind is like a castle with its gate unguarded and unbared.
"Its OPEN to everyone, but not FOR everyone"
Right?
Can we get an Arch Chan version of this...for ya know...research purposes.
if you have something you like, and don't want it to change into something different, you defend it.
call it gate keeping if ya what. that doesn't change the fact your fighting to keep the thing you like.
nothing wrong there. Its how fandoms last so long.
Fandoms that bow to the times, lose what makes them special and wither away.
its why, for example, pokemon games have remained largely unchanged since the first. sure they have spin offs, and they try new things even in main games. but they keep the core game the same.
it refuses to bow to the times, refuses to change what makes it what it is. and thus it remains popular.
the Musik the Picture ... the talk about Natural And Desirable ...
It is good and necessary. If you don't like basic parts of a hobby you shouldn't try and join it to change it. Just pick a different hobby.
Well, they don't start out hating it, they become older and start to absorb their ambient politics and become prudes, either left-wing or even right-wing sometimes, then they feel that they have the right to alter their fandom in the name of achieving some greater good by removing the parts that are no longer pure enough for them.
It is necessary to gatekeep, not to stop change, but to stop corruption.
Remember, if people are calling you fascist, racist, bigoted etc for liking your hobby the way it is, then it means you are doing something right. We are the bulwark against the terror, the shield of hobbys. We are the Gatekeepers and we shall know no soy.
Sees thumbnail: hahaha he looks naked.
Clicks on video:...
Oh
It's a tool, like any other, and requires a deft and artful hand to use without injury
Ahhahh, the picture in this video is hilarious Arch.
Arch: *gatekeeping* !!
All salamanders: VULKAN LIIIIIVESS!!!! *STOMP* *STOMP* *STOMP*
Wow, you sound just like Arch Christ Warhammer dude, good luck on your channel!
I know two people who didnt know anything about 40k, got primaris models, got heckled for it, and subsequently got rid of them. They both literally wish they had been gatekept lol. But now we mess with 6mm and killteam so its all good.
>it might seem like a fallacy - slippery slope...
Slippery Slope is not a fallacy. It is empirically proven reality. Every single time.
Based and aa pilled. (also correct logicaly)
i mean id love for a book series about the Emperor grabed like 1000 space marines of almost each Legion Before there Primarchs And Form a Crusade to take some lost portion of Humanity and get lost in the warp of 10,000 years separated from the imperium by a warp storm but after the Great Rift there able to return so we can get Dusk Raiders Warhounds and Lunar Wolfs Even Have The Emperors Childrens Led By the Space Marine that led the Emperors Children when they got the Palatine Aquilla during the Great Crusades
I love contributing to the algorithm
Gate keeping is good as long as it's not taken too far
The irony is that chasing the "wider audience", a mythical animal that has as much substance morning mist before a scalding day, is what bankrupts you. Every time you chase it.
The Hasbro takeover (I would just call this an early phase of a hostile takeover; we'll see if that holds true) of GW essentially just serves to liquify the company and then buy out its licenses, leaving everyone who ever had a vested interest or in the process of developing warhammer within GW stranded.
However, by then the franchise will be irrecoverably dead and of no use to whoever buys it. The difference between locust capitalism and socialist culture war ideologues is merely the path and reason which they have to take over something; the end result is charred earth in both cases - in the case of the cultural vandal, it is the desired outcome, in the case of the locust capitalist, it is incompetence and an obsession for a quick buck with no longterm thought.
Have a good day.
A Great video that I love to keep rewatching.
You also forgot to mention that the big ship the strong female character rams in is literally called "The Supremacy"
You're describing the process of subversion.
You kinda remind mi of the cynical brit. He was really fun to watch and entertaining. Good job dude neat video.
RIP cynical brit tho
I'm glad that you defigned your terms.
Wonderful exposition thank you.
I would be happy to see more of this.
i'm conflicted. naked arch? noty. steaming waffle with a bit of butter? yes.
Rather than "Gate Keeper" think more along the lines of "Door Supervisor", someone who admits clientele and ensures that rowdy behaviour is dealt with efficently so as to ensure that the venue can be continued to be enjoyed by responsible patrons who are abiding by the standards of the premises.
This exactly, there is a difference between excluding people/ driving them out because you disagree with them personally (or often times politically) and keeping the themes and world consistent and making sense
Troy fell because they were sh*t at gatekeeping.
That image moves me, of a handsome man deep in thought while his seat of butter melts over a waffle that wants only for syrup
This I a re-upload? The message and visuals feel familiar...
Yes. He said he wants to move non-lore videos here.
This piece of art shall be canon for most of the hobbies.
I agree with everything other than the whole "a hero looks like this" concept. heros can be anyone and look like anyone.
Gatekeep hard, gatekeep fast
The slippery slope is not a fallacy and the gates must be kept.
I'm a new fan. I came into the fandom like a refugee. I was looking for something new. Because when Star trek fell I was already aware that it had many a woke moments. When Star Wars fell I felt lost. Thankyou for bringing me to 40k fandom. Now I just have serious question what is a good race/army best to start out as new player?
most people would say space marines since they can fit most play styles. but I would recommend that you look at the factions to which you like the look of or would like to paint and then search for their rules or watch some battle reports to see if you like their potential play styles. since painting an army you don't like will make it more of a chore than anything.
"I don't want your franchise. I want more of what I already have elsewhere." A casual.
As Star Wars fan, I don't understand the hate for the prequels. I think they compliment the original trilogy, and give much needed context for how things got to the point they were in Episode 4.
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The Disney sequals are a different story.
Comment for the algorithm chaos god!
As per always: When is ArcHammer 5000 coming out? Or maybe 8000 or who knows. I would love to be part of such a thing and develop it as well!
Meh 40k already is the new star wars in terms of changes. Lost complete interest since the last editon and its lore additions and changes.
Looks like i am not the only one i have one army over 10k and have not played in like 3 years
That's some groovy music
Lower Decks doesn't deserve to be in the same lineup as Disney Star Wars. The first episode is shit because they had to hand something to the Paramount execs that would tick the boxes and get them approved. It gets much better as things go on and they're allowed to stray from the "Rick & Morty: Star Trek Edition" setup that it started as.
I disagree on the casual fan part.
There are two types of casual fans.
Those that like the setting, the world, and characters, but won't spend money on it like others
The other might like "a" character, or the setting, but wants everything else to change.
There is no distinction.
naked Arch! YIKES!
Here is my take , It depends on the context ,
Scenario 1: If you are keeping someone out who would be a poor fit for the group you already have , then you absolutely have every right to run your private table as you see fit.
Scenario 2: You are looking for someone to play 40k with at your friendly local games store and some random who is polite enough wants to play a game with you, but they have blue hair and are dressed like a sideshow performer , then you should be polite and give them a game since you are in a public venue and they are not breaking any rules.
Scenario 3: You are playing an MMO and your friends and you decide to make a friends only' guild , you are under no obligation to invite a random who wants to join into the guild , it is a private guild.
Scenario 4: You are the president of a university D&D club and your club is officially endorsed and funded by the student association and given perks such as the use of tutorial rooms to play D&D in , in the evenings, but in return for all these perks you had to sign an inclusiveness agreement and agree to not turn away other students who want to join your club without a VERY good reason . And an older guy who is a student wants to play , he has been playing for years and he knows his stuff , but he is on the autistic spectrum and lacks social graces , but he is not breaking any rules and he is doing his best to fit in. BUT some members of the blue haired problem glasses squad decide he is too creepy for some obviously BS reason (with zero evidence) and want him banned. Then your club has no right to ban a person who has broken no rules (and you are probably obliged by the agreement to be extra welcoming towards them and tell the blue haired ones to back off).
Context is key.
But the short version is you can gatekeep all you like if it is a private group , but public groups have different rules and you can only gatekeeping is almost always frowned upon.
God dammit I just got the pun in your picture
Depends on the community and people.
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What is the reason i got into Warhammer 40k more and more?
Star Wars was ruined and probably isn't coming back from the dead any time soon.
Gatekeeping is the reasonable protection of the franchise/universe you love and in the current climate the only thing you can do.
Gatekeeping is also misunderstood. It isn't don't let more people in but it means don't let them change it
So lets keep the gate and check who wants to enter.
Stay strong noble statue
The hard truth
edit: Atchule reminds me of the video about how tau influence a new planet
This reminds me of the Fandom freakout over Warhammer 40K
"Could a woman be a spacemarine since a woman can be a real marine"
The response was a resounding.... No, that would utterly contradict the lore around SpaceMarines. There's no female spacemarines they're all men.
To which the usual chariot chasers and salad tossers of the interwebs inclusions Mafia went to town.
And literally everyone gave them the finger.
Gatekeep things you love from those who clearly aim to molest it and mutate it into something shameful.
Go make your own gay badass military units in your own inclusive and lame boring nobody gives a fuck alternate reality.
Yes I'm sure we're all just chomping at the bit for the adventures and hijinks of the Grimrainbow universe where the drama is not enough Star bucks and pocket rocket batteries for their strapon sabers of social justice.
Unfortunately, anime and manga is next on the chopping block unless gatekeeped.
Your a brilliant man Arch. Thank you for the hard work.
I am... disturbed... by Arch sitting on a butter cube. Anyone else?
To gatekeep or to be gatekept, that is the question.
I actually feel bad for the sequel trilogy actors they thought they were going to be the next Luke Skywalker's and Han Solo's instead they got turned into a Mary Sue and a racial token.
Want to help with the algorithm I have nothing to disagree about. Me personally 40K is a place where gender doesn't matter race doesn't matter all they ask is that you're human and die for the imperial Golden throne
Having watched the redchinese english version of Star Wars Episode III three times now I agree. Works of art.
But Red Skull just wants you to clean your room.
They say “gAtEkeEpINg”, I say “quality control” 😑
I guessed that the new channel would be interview on a couch, and I suppose I'm not entirely wrong
Gatekeeping being good or bad entirely depends on how you define the term and the nature of the gatekeeping being done. I see gatekeeping as pure evil becuase I don't see preventing people who have no understanding of a hobby or would only harm it from changing it to suit themselves as Gatekeeping, only as basic reason.
It's not gatekeeping to insist Fromsoft Souls games remain difficult and don't get special "Easy" modes. an example of gatekeeping is a community being toxic bullies to legit fans who want to participate in an activity, and could be just as good as any of them, but being kept away out of toxic elitism. This happens a lot in MMO raiding. that is the bad gatekeeping.
If we of the old gay, lesbian and bisexual rights groups had gate kept better maybe things wouldn’t have gotten so out of hand, at the time it was a beautiful thing now pride has been ruined and don’t get me started on the flag I can’t even look at it anymore
Gatekeeping is crucial, and if you spy others not actively gatekeeping....they should be kicked out as well.
Fuel for the algorithm.
While I can understand the rest of this arguement, I can see the Captain America of 2021 design working, but in a completely different story. Say Capt is a distant memory, with the world gone to shit. This kid could decide to try to become the next Captain America, traveling the old railways to fight for the American Ideals. Shame that isn't what's happening
I get the snobbery treatment in ALMOST every subculture I "belong" to, metal and 40k both being so suited to urban people it allows some to have a narrow mindset.
1%er bikers have been better people then most of the inclusive elements of nerdom and metal.
ROFL almost did a spit take when the full picture loaded instead of just the thumbnail.
Are you sitting on a block of butter on a hot waffle?
Suggestions. Imagination. Freewill. Free speech. The gate it closed. Fans don't own anything.
...... I don't want arse juice in my waffles....
Pros with cons to allow gatekeeping for the positive who wish to protect the continuity of given genres creates the negative that want change and inclusion and Sadly the negative brings more friends with cameras which no business likes
"The planet cracked before the gaurd did". To protect the community we must become the LAW in which it is saved. We who have helped build it into what it has become, must start triming the verge to insure that future generations may receive the blessing of the God Emperor.
"...he fights inequality" 😂
Gatekeeping is good and nessecary.