2009 Mercedes ML320 Bluetec vs 2008 Lexus RX 400h | Comparison Test | Edmunds.com
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- Sure, you can get sticker shock at the gas station, but you don't have to give up your sport-utility vehicle. You don't even have to give up the carlike luxury trimmings you've come to expect as part of the SUV experience.
That's what the 2009 Mercedes-Benz ML320 Bluetec and 2008 Lexus RX 400h are meant for.
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I can corner pretty well with the AWD version of the RX 400h. When I go too fast cornering all four tires will slip and make noise. It never feels dangerous and never loses control. They're driving pretty fast on the slalom - and you can drive it fast because it has the power available. Because it is an SUV you have to be cognizant of the weight transitions when cornering or doing slalom - makes you a better driver. =)
Benz looks better but Many Rx 400h been hitting 250,000 miles at trade in.
500 a 600000 vous voulez dire ?
The Benz is better, yes it’s unreliable but it’s not as boring, it looks nicer, it’s not a hybrid, and it’s got a much better interior than the Lexus.
@@e70_x5_guy4 benz looks like shit and hasn’t aged well at all as opposed to the Lexus. Same can be said about the later models
I bought back my company car (lexus RX400H) some 7 years ago and my wife still uses today.. 297k miles and it drives as good as the day i got it new for my job..
Only real costly expense was replacing the battery cooling fans 2 years ago..
A truly great car..
i have a lexus is 250 awd 2006 have 800k miles on it drive like a new one no problems
Mr. Cairo your a funny man.
My 07 rx400h with 248k miles original batt drives like brand new
Even if the Merc got like 10MPG more in the city, I'd go for the Lexus. No brainier.
Love my RX 2008!!!!!!!
Still?
I loved my aunt and uncles 2009 ML320 but it was a money pit.
@tristanr06 I have an RX400H from 2008 with 200k km. Still amazing, zero problems, ice cold AC and original battery pack. 🔋
The RX is a far better car. As both cars are older now, the RX owners are still happy. The MB ML owners are learning an expensive lesson about owning an old luxury SUV. The MB's are having lots of problems that are very expensive to fix.
+Carlos Ferreira you are definately right, rx400h is the best. I can drive it forever
+Tap Javu how many miles on yours?
+Carlos Ferreira don't the batteries go bad on the rx?
Ive read stuff just like that, so i guess the better route is the RX, they do have better re sale value anyways
Fred Medina 0609370 a little past 100,000 km been driving it for like 10 years and still driving it :D
Did he just say the Lexus isn’t great to drive? We’re driving a rx400h and the driving experience is amazing. It’s comfortable and fun. I love driving the Lexus. The driving experience is better than most cars, especially that size.
LEXUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2006 Lexus rx400h, 177k just proper maintenance and fluid changes. Average mpg at this time 24.2. Still plenty of miles left in this vehicle. Would have no problem taking on a cross country trip. Vehicle owes me nothing.
what is the MPG you get in the winter? I have the same vehicle, and I love it but the fuel economy is the winter is not so great.
@@nguyenming1987 Significant drop in fuel economy. With the engine running more to keep the cabin warm and the winter grade of fuel my MPG will drop too below 20 at times.
I love my lexus rx 350 rides like i just got it very smooth ride
I had a 1991 LS400. I sold it for 3k 4 years a go. It had 523,467 miles on it when I sold it. Original trans, Engine, hell even the starter was original. Don't think you will get that out of a gasoline Merc. The ML series truck has some of the worst resale value I have ever seen. The 1st and 2nd generations have a terrible track record for reliability. Just check the consumer report or JD powers reports. I think Merc are stylish and great cars when they aren't in the shop, which it not offen.
My ML320 can tow 7000lbs. The ML is more truck like than the RX400, especially weighing in at nearly 5000lbs curb weight (4970 to be exact). The diesel will always outperform on long distance trips. If you aren't regenerating the battery in the RX400 then you have to rely on the less efficient gas engine. City driving the hybrid should be the champ. My ML has clocked in 30 mpg in highway driving.
Diesel fuel is costly, no power, NOISY.. pollute the air...rides like a truck. My Lexus rides like a heavy car, very good suspension. And it last 3-4 time the like of 3 benz.
Holds its value... the worse used car to buy is a benz.
I’m giving ethanol e85 fuel to mine, problem resolved
Hybrid diesel will arrive in a few years; the first european hybrid to be on sale will be the S400, and hybrid diesel should arrive late 2009 (2010 for French manufacturers). The 308 Hybrid is said to use 3,5L/100km (80mpg). It seems possible because the 1L6 diesel already use 5L/100 km in a 308 (55mpg).
@bryanb16th
Its for Braking (as in engine braking) for down hill assist.
I love my RX400h.
I don't deny that Benz is good. But I'd rather go for Lexus.
Comfort, Economy, Speed - what else do you need? Steerability of Lexus is good enough, my personal experience.
To counter your ramblings with fact:
• Noisy: The test of the BMW 535d and 545i on Top Gear indicated a dramatically quieter ride in the diesel - it produced more power low in the rpm range.
• Stinky: Old diesels smelled because of sulphur, which has been almost completely eliminated from diesel now. Gasoline emissions smell bad because of HC.
• Dirty: The bluetec system incorporates the inherent efficiency of the diesel and advanced pollution control to provide a very clean engine.
Cars in US are hell cheap and of course people would go for the Mercedes but in other places where cars are expensive, you would appreciate that Lexus is already a very good car.
PETROL HYBRIDS are the best.
But a manufacturer like INFINITI should make HYBRIDS so they have a more sporty feel.
15 years later, you won’t see any Mercedes ML320 Bluetecs today - au contraire there are heaps of happy people still driving their hybrid Lexii well beyond 450,000 kms/285,000 miles …an AWD 2008 Lexus RX400h is awesome to drive plus everything from the factory still works great, nice try with the “not fun to drive” bit 😆
So? Do you know how much such a battery costs and what lifecircle it has?
Diesel Mercedes in Germany are km eaters. I like more Diesel powered engine and hybrid, thats why I would choose the Merc, also because I like much more the interior...
What I like is that those hybrid haters simply shut up when hybrid is produced by a european car company. LOL The only hybrids they hate are the Japanese ones since they are better cars then the european ones. LOL hater bigots.
@listerone Have you checked the torque of a hybrid? They have muuuch more when battery and engine give power together than a diesel...Accelaration of RX400h is similar to a V8's...
@296jayce
Where do you think most of the electric produced comes from?
There are alternate sources of electric, just as there are alternate sources of diesel fuel.....
the mpg figures are good for these kind of vehicles so does an escalade really get 22mpg?
ok, now the diesel costs exactly $2070 more than the standard car. in my area, regular gas is like 2.66 and diesel is like 3.30. the diesel gets 35 mpg avg and the regular car gets 25. now, i assume that the average person drives 1,000 miles per month. at this, the regular car would cost $106.40 each month. the diesel: $94.40 each month. thats just 12$ saved each month!!! from a $2,000 premium!!! it would take 128 months to make a profit. how does diesel pay over a hybrid?
2:13.......the car is about to roll over...
After 150,000 miles the average person is going to be buying a new car period. Plus by that time battery technology will be alot less expensive.
The Mercedes Blutec system uses what's called the "Adblue" system. This adds a fluid made from natural gas called Urea to the fuel and reduces sulpuric content. This makes it pass emissions. The fluid only lasts for 10,000 miles and once it runs out the car is designed to not start untll u get it replaced. This could get expensive as well.
@d10230 I don't know, mine's from 1978......the new ones aren't as good as they used to be, but they are still well built.....
how is that? Have you every drove a hybrid cars like LExus RX400h, instead of Toyota prius or other brand of hybrid? try one and then comment....
@DamnStraightM35A2
MONSTER LOL ...
diesel runs forever in 80's, when a 2,0L gave you 55hp @3000rpm. not today when it works @18:1 compression and makes 200hp by an engine of 2liters.
...and stop with : but daddy said.... ;)
yes it is the whole point. a point you made in like the first two minutes.
No! That is not the whole point. The whole point is to start using an alternative fuel. Not gasoline, diesel, ethanol, or hydrogen! How about just plain old electricity? We rely on it every single day, so let's bring back the electric cars and head back to the drawing board for battery designs. Electric cars provide instant torque and acceleration unlike other fuels. All we need are environmentally friendly electricity generating stations harvesting electricity with zero emissions. Let's start!
wow reading this comment and what you said have happened my friend. Lots of Telsas around even a friend of mine got 1/ and now every car company goes electric, wow we went 0 -60 real quick
la competrencia de lexus no es Mercedes, sino bmw, aunque en el caso del rx y del ml 320, yo he conducido esos dos carros , y el lexus se lleva al mercedes de calle, la comodidad y el confort, ademas de la acceleracion,del rx es muy superior al mercedes, casi por el mismo precio aqui en europa el lexus esta mucho mas equipado,rueda mejor y mas silencioso.
hey.Come to Creece to see the fuel
prices.1,50 euros per litre.
Lexus? 7.9 litres at 100 km.
So Which is the best car?
LEXUS bio éthanol
wats hybrid?
In a few years rx400h will be a classic,
@d10230 Funny, being from Canada you'd think you would have seen lots of rusty Mercs. I'm from PA and I've seen LOTS of rusty Mercs, mostly pre W210. I have seen lots of rusty W123's and quite a few W124's with rust.
The way you would have seen a 2003 rust is because in Canada they put plenty of snow melting chemicals on the roads.
Is the RX 400 H similar to the RX 450 H
Yeah, it’s just a generation earlier
How many horsepower does it have on it
@@gunnarbondank3893 the 2008 RX 400h AWD version has an extra electric motor, so it pumps out around 270hp, and the latest 2023 Lexus RX hybrid AWD model pumps out 366hp
this vid already stated that the lexus has the smoother ride. the old ml had a pos interior. so many people are turned away by the old ml. and look at the sales. the rx handily outsells the benz. and more customers are satisfied by their lexus than the benz. srry but in this case the benz is #2
That dash in the Benz is terrible as always.
***** Yes Yes Yes
***** LOL
they should have hyrid diesels. that would get killer mileage.
I like the benz but its sooooo expensive for that reason id get the lexus no matter how boring or dull it is...
Might as well buy a Jeep Grand Cheroke Diesel cause it's got the same Mercedes Diesel engine for much less money. But if you ask me yes diesel does do better mpg. But it still uses fuel everyday and everywhere you go. As for the Hybrid does do a lot better since it can be run on pure electric meaning 0 emission. As well as Lexus has better built quality when compared with a US built Mercedes.
Alot of automobile manufacturers are gong to bring diesels in the year 2013 and 2014. Petrol cars will be eventually phased out. When gas goes up to $8..00 people are going to be sorry they didn't get a diesel.
oh yeah, it sooo totally is, becasue when you can afford both of those cars, your really gona be choking on those fuel prices.
lexus was the diesel powered i'd expect it to go slower. but with a v6 210 horsepower engine this car should be a monster. besides, its from a high quality producer, Mercedes. speed should be one of the main things they should focus on. this 4 by 4 is an epic fail for benz. 8.5 is a joke for that kind of engine.
Volkswagon debuted a hybrid diesel Golf concept @ an autoshow earlier this year. It supposedly will get over 69mpg and they r working on getting it to production.
How many years is it on the market (LS) ?
I dont care, my father had a diesel merc and after 623458km we have done the overhaul of the car.
You are only talking about electric stuff, what about the engine, huh?
On the Lexus, what does the "B" stand for on the transmission shifter. Look at 2:39
bryanb16th battery on slow speeds you can drive on the battery alone without the gas engine kicking in hence no fuel used in heavy traffic situations
@Noobus1221 Lexus's are very common in the US. MB diesels are not.
What if Mercedes decides to make a diesel hybrid. I would like to see a 90mpg car
No..that isnt the whole point,if somebody had 80k to spend on a car and purely wanted to get an eco car,i dont think theyd be buying 3L+ 4x4s... these cars are luxaury vehicles,the owner probably doesnt care about 4mpg when his just spent 80k...
do you really mean 800k? Did you take it round the world?
yup its faster, cheaper, and more MPG as tested lol
i had hard time with hybrid system , 2006 highlander , but the hybrid idea is great and better than diesel specially when diesel is more expensive than gasoline in this country , but they should upgrade this technology and should be easier to repair , i guess no one can repair it here or the repair coast is very high , thats why if you buy hybrid dont keep it after the warranty ,
+zeyad zeyad been driving the rx400h for more than 10 years now, never had any problems whatsoever. still driving it :D
Tap Javu good to hear that . I had highlander hybrid and it broke down . There is a chip in the hybrid system that was burned . Maybe coz of the weather here . How ever that part cant be found separately. Have to replace the full hybrid engine.
8.5 seconds from 0-60m with a v6 engine? how slow. v6 should make it really faster
Both Lexus and Mercedes are very good! they are in the top two beating out BMW. and diesel pollutes the air! and yea the battery is expensive but you don't have to buy another one till like 7 years!! so there lexus wins!! and the interior is A LOT better than mercedes.. idk i love mine:)
@DamnStraightM35A2 not in holland, in holland every Moroccan drives an old mercedes, but rich people who live in amsterdam and 't gooi drive lexuses or audi's but not really much mercedes because the reliability is just so bad, but have fun with your breakdown soon! ;)
lexus uses less fuel than the diesel but is more expensive to maintain and the engine lasts less than the diesel. bottom point, diesel is better.
Diesels = modern diesels are smoother, have more torque, better acceleration at higher speeds and at lower revs, lower emissions.
Hybrids = less fuel efficient actually, more emissions, less power and toruqe, cost more, limited lifetime of batteries, have to be reved. An obvious winner.
agreed 100%
Honestly who cares what u and I thinks. Toyota/Lexus serves world market well enough. As I am sure that the RX is out selling ML or any other Euro Luxury SUV out there. Lexus does their marketing job well knows what general public wants, then providing a reliable/comfortable/versital SUV that will do light offroading where 95% of people said they would do. If u want a real off-road capablity SUV please try to compare GX470 or the "King" LX570 (Just look at Dubai oil prince drive)
In my opinion I will keep the diesel because they will run forever, while the hybrid would be more expensive to own because batteries that recharge after so many charges wear down after a few years.
@DamnStraightM35A2 i dont know how do people think in USA about Lexus drivers,but in Europe if people see you driving one,are like WOW(i mean about countries with high taxes)
I had a friend who´s parents used to own a 99 Lexus &%$&%$. :rolleyes:
It all depends the treatment you gave to your car, believe me that.
I respect Lexus with this Tec, but I would prefer a Diesel Merc engine...
i prefer the DIESEL!! i've been driving my friend's hybrid but i avg at 15MPG... i have a heavy foot.. i can never let the electric motor take me around.. i just can't stand it....
driving a friend's TDI Jetta, i avg at about 29MPG with the foot down most the time... TDI better for me.. Hybrid, better for grandmas!! agree?? :)
U have to keep in mind that for many years Americans hated diesels cars so offering them to the American market would have resulted in huge losses to GM or Ford. Now, that in the last 3 years gas has gone sky high Americans are whining about not being able to buy deisel, which isnt GM or Fords fault. We didn't want them. Plus its very expensive prepare diesel engines for compliance w/ American emission regulations and GM and Ford r very strapped for cash.
They should do an in gear test from 40-60 in 4th to test out performance. Since when did you join a motorway at 0mph.
i agree that you should drive the diesel
but so should grandma, she would prob get 45 if your getting 29 beating on it
diesels are so much better, no ignition system to go wrong, no huge battery to lug around and what about the environmental effects when that battery is thrown out? what will they do with all that acid and special ionic metals??
americans need to wake up
i love my E320 CDI, gets 40mpg and is a lovely beast
DIESEL 4 LIFE!
JUST DRIVE ONE!
Diesel cars dont need a new turbo every 60.000 km.....
les ml non plus ?
@freddy692000 Why don't you learn? Diesel engines can be run on bio fuels that are not part of the food supply.
Yup, the MB may be the best looking machine here, but... cant people recognize that Hybrids are here to stay? They are slowly becoming cheaper to make and they, well, they use less fuel than other vehicles. Isnt that what we want? Toyota wins again.
@el mountaineer 13yrs later hybrids are yet to get popular
Modern diesels burn more clean than before. TDI's don't have the smoke anymore. What do you mean diesels burns way dirtier than petrol? Diesels rule!
@SGTsimo Thank you for the info. wired place for it, most brand put this function in a button form.
Lexus wins(that was obvious at the start)in every way. At the end, they say the Merc is more expensive, but thats just what a Merc is. Overpriced.
you are a fucking genius for stating the most obvious fact in the world. its only been all over the news for the past few months lol. not to mention anybody with common sense would know this. geeeniuss
The Lexus is better, a friend's dad had a Mercedes ml280 cdi or something and he has so many problems, the lexus must be much better!
Also, i never understood automakers attempting to make fuel-efficient SUVs. Thats almost as pointless as giving an obese person a make-over. Sure they'll look better but theyre still fat. Same in this case, yeah it gets decent mpg's.......for an SUV. if any of you watching this video want a practical utility vehicle with good fuel economy, check out some new station wagons. (Dodge magnum, Subaru Legacy, Volvo V70, VW Passat, and BMW 3-series) all get more mpg, equal utility, and cost less.
listen to me, diesel does not pay. but my words mean nothing without facts right? to prove this, i decided to calculate the cost of fueling a tdi jetta vs a regular one. ill say it in another comment cuz it wont fit here.
That Lexus is so boring. I like the new ones but the old ones were just dull. The ML320 is better. Less dull, nicer interior, and it’s not a hybrid.
exactly!
I dont think this Lexus will be so reliable as you may think... lets see in future cases.
Now is the future. How is your opinion after the 12 years?
@@mic55y Lexus is more reliable than Merc. Thanks for reminding me on my 12 year comment. I drive now Toyota...
it is bigger, but not as powerful as Lexus RX400h or quick as RX400h....
Lexus Any Day
I will take the Lexus the Mercedes is money pit can ask scotty kilmer
john1240able its a money pit for poor people
@RubikscubeNinja Show some proof of that...damn tree hugger. You know that it takes a lot of energy and rare resources to make those batteries....
The diesel doesn't need a replacement...
if you want more powerful suv, you shouldn't be looking at the hybrid or bluetec suvs....you should look for dodge or gm trucks....they have more powers and cheaper too
Another win for Japanese cars!
Love the Merc!
The Lexus looked like it''s gonna tip over at 2:13 (",)
already today there are priuses thet have more than500.000km with the FIRST batt-pack... so stop telling Sh*t about this prices of cars @50k €.
and someone tell my how much is an new turbo wich u need every 60.000km with an T-Diesel ? ;)
That lexus was gonna come up on two wheels...
maxou5757, you have to admit that MB cars are overpriced....Compare MB SLK AMG to BMW M3...SLK cost several thousand dollars more and a fraction less of horsepower compared to BMW M3......I agree that MB cars are about luxurious, and they should be expensive...Still, MB cars are still overpriced...
I think design of lexus better than Mercedes
@DamnStraightM35A2 LOL, I am only 14, LOL FAIL, and my dad drives a Lexus RX 400h btw.
i rather have a bimmer x5 4.4i cuz like im not eco friendly. Mercedes should not overporiced cars. If you are serious about cars go watch TOP GEAR
@DamnStraightM35A2 now im not fully trust worthy on electric cars, but diesal might not run forever, cuz fossil fuels, and they can run out completley
@NewDivineWind So if Lexus has been around for 22 years then there should be 22 year old Lexus's on the road. I haven't seen any. I haven't seen any 22 year old Toyotas on the road recently either....
Hybrid cars only have advantages in the city: While driving in the country, you won't save any fuel, because you don't have to break, if you drive carefully -you will even need more fuel, because of the additional weight.
Ofcourse driving a hybrid in the city is simply great because you have to break a lot...