Why This New Tesla Adapter Does-and Doesn’t-Fix EV Charging | WSJ
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- Tesla has opened up its EV charging network to other electric vehicles, starting with Ford. (GM, Hyundai, Kia and others will gain access soon.) With the right adapter, non-Tesla EVs can now charge at Tesla Superchargers. Is it easy to get started? How do the speed and price compare?
WSJ’s Joanna Stern hit up 10 Tesla Superchargers in her Ford Mustang Mach-E to test it all out.
Chapters:
0:00 Non-Teslas at Tesla Superchargers
1:00 The setup
1:54 The spots
4:09 The speed
4:56 Takeaways
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They don't hate you because you have a Ford at a Tesla Supercharger, they hate you because you're in New Jersey.
😅 Ouch! We ❤️ NJ!!! 😎✌️
NJ is great
I think they hate because she parked on the line
Just wear leopard pants and a white belt and you'll fit right in. At least in Vineland!
This comment should be reported as abuse! NJ Pride!
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Wait, you’re allowed to insert the charger by yourself in New Jersey? /s
Well played! 👌🏾🙌🏾👍🏾
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I’m so angry at myself for not making this joke in the video. Well done!
Is this a reference to New Jersey laws that prevent you from pumping your own gas? I remember hearing something about that, but maybe I'm misremembering.
Yep! In New Jersey, you're not allowed to pump your gas an attendant has to do it for you. They will actually yell at you otherwise@@regolith1350
I only clicked because its Joanna and she is the best journalist
💀💀
The best WSJ journalist, there would seem to be no competition on integrity there.
I must say, it's quite rare for a mainstream journalist to report on EVs and not either screw it up somehow or do a full on hit piece.
This report is not above critique, but overall pretty well done.
@@davidmenasco5743 She is paid to promote other EV’s over tesla.
Wow that guy at the very end actually had common sense…so refreshing to see.
Great to see someone taking acknowledgement!
yes
I saw that n was about to throw hands. I’m glad it ended they way it did loo
maybe they found only one guy with common sense the whole day
Make him your president! He is certainly already more qualified than your other options.
This might be the very first Wall Street Journal piece about electric vehicles that wasn’t shady, or filled with misinformation. Just honest reporting, you guys should do this every time!
It was barely journalism and had like zero information, maybe it’s you who is the problem
agree
Most reporting on EV’s is shady. It is not you, most publications get their funding from OEM’s.
@Aiuto-vk5tq 'Like zero information'? It was good for WSJ, who are generally apalling. Perhaps it's you who is the problem?
The miss information is that she purchased a Ford EV and not a Tesla...
If companies that adopt the adapter also change the charging port location it will solve a lot of the friction
A front right port also works (Audi/Porsche). But front left and rear right don't work.
There's already over million non-Tesla EVs on the road that will be able to use the NACS adapter. You can't change the port location on those, so it will still be a big issue for Tesla. It's better for Tesla to add longer cables to it's now-public chargers, just like every other public charging company.
Or just make the cables longer 🤷
@@geomaestri Which they are doing.
Ford has a fake charging port on the front right of the Lightning. It seems like they'll put a NACS port front right and keep the CCS port front left.
This person's videos are always a must watch
I love all her videos
Is there anyway to find a playlist with her videos?
Thanks for making this video. Touches on all the pain points of charging a non-Tesla EV.
Hi Joanna, back in Nov 2023 I bought the mustang after watching Marque and your side by side comparison of Mustang and Tesla. I have been so happy with my purchase, what a fun car to drive. Folks don’t know what they are missing EV’s are so much fun to drive. I don’t have charging issues but thanks for heads up on free adapter. My car runs on sunshine I have solar panels on the roof and no plans to drive my Ev out of town. You are the best on Tech, most appreciative fan….
Good idea to get the adaptor anyway so you have more options if you want to go further. What do you do for long journeys? Have you got an ICE car for that?
I'm always impressed by how much Mach-e owners love their cars.
When it first came out, the Mach-e got some grief from EV nerds for being a bit lackluster in certain litmus tests. But it seems to have stood the test of time. The Mach-e and Lightning both get only rave reviews from owners as far as I've seen.
So for all the criticisms we could level at Ford, they seem to have done a good job with these two models.
knew everything about the information. clicked on the video to just see how it was covered the Joanna's way
if all non-Teslas park next to each other and take the stall to their left; while Teslas do the opposite on the other side of the site, only 1, or at worst 2, stalls will be lost in all.
And with the $12.99 plan per month plan, you get the same price as Tesla drivers. As much as 30% cheaper. You can choose to only pay for that month that you're going on a long road trip. Or you can pay a one time payment of $99 for a whole year. That's basically the cost of one fill-up on an ICE F-150.
I doubt Ford EV drivers will ever use any other charger from now on. They finally have a network that works. Every time, not half the time. And they now have over 15,000 stalls to use, and growing by the day, not just 3 or 4 thousand, most of which have only 1 (EVgo) to 4 stalls(EA) per site. And Tesla installs over 20 stalls per week. And will be at over 50 per week by the end of 2025.
I've said it many times before, and I'll keep saying it -- this is the greatest thing that has happen to EV adoption in America since the founding of Tesla itself.
This is one of the most common sense descriptive comments I've seen on youtube in months.
Love your videos. They are as informative as they are hilarious
I am really glad that all cars sold in Europe have CCS and we don’t have use adapters.
Ok that guy at the end spoke truth
He should run for president
Isn't the mach-e battery pack bigger than a model Y battery pack? It's 91kWh and 81 kWh respectively... So the price and time difference actually is proportional to the pack size difference.
She said it wasn’t apples to apples
@@Bmr4life but then implied it cost more for non-teslas? I'm just pointing out that it cost more and took longer proportional to the difference in battery pack sizes --not because they were charging more money for the same amount of electricity or that the supercharger wasn't capable of charging the ford at a similar rate.
@@mrdylansays
If we assume that her Mach-e extended range has 91kWh usable capacity and the long range Model Y has 81kWh usable, we can calculate a rough estimate. Multiply the total battery capacity by 0.6 to get the 20% to 80% amount, then divide the total cost by that amount. 0.6*91=56.4. $25.2/56.4kWh = ~0.4615$/kWh for Ford. For Tesla, 0.6*81 = 48.6kWh. $19.2/48.6kWh = ~$0.3950/kWh. In this case, Ford owners without the monthly subscription pay about 6.5 cents more per kWh, an increase of ~16.82%. The percentages and absolute amount differencea may be very different depending on wholesale electricity rates in different areas.
Hopefully all vehicles will have a standard spot as well. Can’t wait to get more V4 superchargers man! 😄
If you used the app it will only send you to v3 and v4. You had to go out of the way to find a v2 to make it not work.
That's good info. I hate it when they dramatize things.
Yes, the video was remarkably good for a mainstream report. But that part was a bit misleading.
I think the EV industry’s biggest problem is the lack of home charging for renters and others who similarly can’t charge at home
For real! An incentive would fix this so quickly.
europe and china have already solved this issue by installing low power chargers at sidewalks, parking areas, etc. it is really cheap to install because it does not require heavy grid.
Yes. EVs make zero sense for anyone who rents. Charging at commercial chargers is 5 times as expensive as at home.
@@kellymoses8566Depends. My apt complex installed 6 chargers recently. A lot of other complexes are following the trend to attract tenants. This is obviously more common on luxury apartments and higher priced places.
Need destination chargers everywhere. Even if you can't charge at home you're still going to drive and park somewhere else at some point.
maybe they should sell an extention cord with the adapter built in.
If only it were that easy
I know at least one company (A2Z) that is working on a NACS DC extension cable.
You can't extend the liquid cooling part of the cable.
That means that the charger would need to detect the extension and lower the charging rate accordingly.
wouldn’t work. the cables are water cooled
V3's use high AMPs to facilitate the high charging speeds with causes a tremendous amount of heat. These thin cables cannot be any longer without suffering damage very quickly. And keep in mind they are already fluid cooled as it is.
The V4's use longer, but also thicker, cables. As well as being 800v. If you double the voltage it means you half the amperage, meaning you effectively only cause a quarter of the heat. Tesla is basically only installing V4's from here on out.
Your BEST WSJ Reporter!!! Do not get rid of her!!!
She’s my favorite tech reporter. Not overly techy, and definitely not ditzy. She’s just does a great job of reporting and presenting facts.
Wow I had no idea there’s a Tesla supercharger right by my house. This is huge
Love your videos Joanna!
In my honest opinion, if manufacturers are going to use Tesla supercharger, they should start changing their cars to either driver, side, rear or passenger side front location
Thank you for sharing such wonderful content.
really good reporting.
great videos Joanna.. thanks again..😊
Great vid 👍
I want to move to Norway🤣.
Canada is still lagging behind.
Cheers
Really well done video. Thank you. An additional test would be attempting the adaptor with a non-Ford CCS EV.
Others have done that test of non-Ford CCS EVs on Supechargers... doesn't work (eg Rivian, GM.) It needs software updates on both sides, charger and car, so they can talk to & recognize each other (certificates, etc.) as well as testing things. This is why Tesla has a schedule for rolling out the access to other makes, they are coming soon... months?
Ford was just first to jump on the standard, and got access first.
Yes, it's been tested and doesn't work.
But Rivian did just get access. And they're getting the same adapter as Ford.
3rd party adapters are also coming out, and some have been tested and work. But the car and charger manufacturers don't approve, of course.
Always fun to watch your video
“I predict a riot” so the song goes
I can't wait to watch the show when 3 or 4 Chev Bolts are sitting for well over an hour each to charge. Stocking up on popcorn for road trips.
Great well informed and researched video. A rarity from main stream media, thank you.
Hear hear! You can say that again.
wonder whether anyone could make an extension cable to mitigate the parking issue?
Great videoThanks! Have a chevy bolt luv how can I get one of these adapters?
GM will be doing the same thing soon. They should send you a free adapter. You might check with a dealer and see if they know about it. On the other hand, it wouldn't be surprising if the dealer gave incorrect info.
So, no answer on the location of the charge port? I saw a mockup of the F150 nacs plug and it seems to be in the same "incorrect" location.
the solution is to update the stations to longer cables like other chargers adding NACS, which they are apparently doing
@@superzario1000 Or put the charging port centrally placed like in the front like Nissan did.
Well done Funny and informative😁
That was interesting and entertaining, thanks!
Wow, a real journalist. Thats rare these days.
This was well done.
One correction:
She should’ve said charging at Tesla is cheaper than EVGo, not the way she said it like charging a non-tesla is more expensive than charging a Tesla at a Tesla charger.
Both things are true: charging nontesla at a Tesla charger is faster and cheaper than EVGo, let alone more reliable.
evgo > nontesla > tesla
So Tesla car at a Tesla charger is both cheaper and faster. nontesla at a Tesla charger is in the middle experience and using EVGo is more expensive and slower.
Very heartwarming remarks by the gentleman at the end (5:26)
Absolutely enjoyed watching this!
No one else commenting on that last guy? ❤❤❤
Seems like everyone is. Do people really not interact in real life with other people? This is what most people are like, regardless of what the fear mongering media will tell you.
Very good piece. Thank you.
Good Stuff 👍
I love the sense of humor.
Great Video! I also live in NJ. Im going to wait to buy a Lyriq until the NACS is built into the car.
You gotta love Jersey!
Joanna Stern is the #1 reason to subscribe. Always has interesting video segments with her personality shining through. ❤
one standard was indeed a good move
I love your videos.
its an option but I still rather charge at EVgo or EA, Tesla SC is still slow in today's EVs. Kia EV6/Hyundais/Porsche who has 800v cars can charge 230-300 kwh which only takes 12-18mins max.
You can only get 350 kW charging with CCS if you have an 800V car, which very few people have. It is also hard to find 350 kW CCS stations in the US, and I doubt new ones will be built, now that nearly every automaker in N. America has committed to changing to NACS. If you have a 800V CCS car, you are probably going to be stuck with 150 kW max charging most of the time. In contrast, it is easy to find Supercharger V3 stations with 250 kW max charging today. In addition, Tesla will built thousands of 350 kW Supercharger V4 stations in the coming years, and the other charge networks will also build NACS chargers.
Great video.
Great great piece!
According to SAE, there is no "North American Charging Standard." NACS stands for North American Charging System (similar nomenclature to "Combined Charging System" or CCS). The standard is SAE-J3400.
30 percent premiums. Yummy.
Crazy it's still 36% cheaper than at the EVgo even with the Tesla markup...
Small price to pay for the convenience.
Sometimes you just need a little juice to get home. Better for everyone as Tesla will put more chargers in if they are getting used and other EV charging companies will get more business because more people will consider EVs since charging is easier
@@bbgator1 I agree, but it could be painful for some at first. I would have liked to see them put in the chargers and the modification before opening them up to other EVs.
Not quite - assuming that her Mach-e extended range has 91kWh usable capacity and the long range Model Y has 81kWh usable, we can calculate a rough estimate. Multiply the total battery capacity by 0.6 to get the 20% to 80% amount, then divide the total cost by that amount. 0.6*91=56.4. $25.2/56.4kWh = ~0.4615$/kWh for Ford. For Tesla, 0.6*81 = 48.6kWh. $19.2/48.6kWh = ~$0.3950/kWh. In this case, Ford owners without the monthly subscription pay about 6.5 cents more per kWh, an increase of ~16.82%. The percentages and absolute amount differences may be very different depending on wholesale electricity rates in different areas.
When all cars manufacturers finally and rapidly decide to adapt and use the superior Tesla NCAS plug type in their cars, charging will become smooth. I have never had a single issue charging my Teslas for the last 12 years.
Great informative story!
1:36 i like the sound effect
Aptera will be the first sEV that will come with NACS already built in , no adapters required! To charge at a Tesla Charger!
60% and 43+ min charge time with the cost of nearly $40? That's absurd
So that is for the EVGO charger. EVGO is known to be expensive.
4:09 It shows you charging your Mach-E into a slower EVgo charger (a 100 kW Delta "City" charger) that's meant more as a destination charger, and it's roughly the same speed as a Tesla "Urban" Supercharger, which Ford EVs unfortunately still can't use. If you wanted a valid comparison, you should have been plugging into one of the thousands of 350 kW EVgo charging stalls that would max out the Mach-E's charging capabilities.
Pricing is also likely to vary from site to site, even within the same network, thanks to time of use rates.
Welcome to the Tesla Supercharger family!
What about selling an extension cable?
They are coming in the next month or so.
Great video
Thank You!
I have always been loyal to Japanese brands exclusivly however Ford is impressing me with their Electric Effort.
Would be interesting to see a setup like a gas station where it doesn't matter which side your port is on, you can pull in to the right stall based on port placement. Let's not reinvent the wheel if we don't have to, right?
No, but the issue is landlords which only allow a tiny section of their lots to be used, so Tesla has no choice but to install them like that on most sites.
And the port on ICE are also standard - - either left or right rear. It's not the wild west of non-Tesla EV manufacturers. Thats the real issue.
Good video.
It would be actually hilarious to see discrimination based on whether you're a Tesla owner or an "other" car owner. Then there can be Nerf wars while cars charge. Humanity and the world never cease to amaze me.
😡STOP THE SCAM 😡
Governments MUST give similar EV incentives to hydrogen cars & stations or eliminate all incentives 😡
In Norway, I've seen nothing like that at Tesla charger stations. They've been open for all EVs for about 2 years here.
5:14 as a Tesla owner, we DO care when the station is full and you're taking up two spots so a Tesla owner has to wait. That's the only issue I have with it. Ford MUST put the charge port in the correct location when they go NACS native on their newer cars.
Tesla made a superior product which is why NA EV manufacturers have joined their standard. It seems like following them with the port placement is the next logical step
No problem in europe.
The cheapest solution is to extend the cables. It’s literally the easiest thing to do. Or just place the charger at the side of the cars like a petrol pump station
@@theachilles96Cheapest to whom? That's tens of thousands of charge plugs for Tesla to retrofit. The best solution is for OEM's, when they go NACS native, is to put the charge port in a more compatible location. They're already putting a port in, they just need to move it. Older cars will always unfortunately have this issue, but they are so few in number it's a whatever. Tesla's V4 chargers have longer cables (3' longer), but those are new locations only and they are not retrofitting them to old stations.
@@user-to2rf1rj5vTesla will have to replace charger hardware down the line regardless.
Issues:
1. Ports are not at the standard location
2. They are not NACS
3. You are not driving a Tesla.
Tesla noted it would take 18 months to get all V3 ready for other vehicles.
It sounds like Ford and others need to get their act together and build out, using Tesla superchargers, a big network.
This can be easily rectified by altering the location of the charger to the center of each parking lot & have a longer cable.
Interesting!
Tesla says it's making an extension cable.
I am really surprised with the end... you know how we heard about how Jersey people are rude .. it might be just a generalization
This is effectively an advertisement against getting a Mach E
Next year it will be built in.
Tesla’s supercharger prices ARE HIGH.
Might as well just drive regular unleaded.
ANSI really f'd up not jumping on that plug design and standardizing it.
Good adaptor.
Let us know when Hyundai has access.
Why not have an input plug on either side of the vehicle?...it should be standard.
Wow those price are insane
abandoning ccs was a mistake, have we actually seen v4 speeds in the wild over NACS? CCS now goes to 350kw, but most tesla superchargers top out at 250, that 100kw difference would be noticeable especially for ev trucks.
That's odd it took you 32 minutes to go from 20-80% in a Model Y. It takes me 20 mins to do that same charge at normal temps.
Not surprisingly, the Ford ceo just restated the question instead of answering the question.
What Tesla model do you own?
He's not a CEO, he's a Democrat party politician
Isn't it dumb to Think about WHERE TO place a permanent place for the port instead of just RENOVATE and place an extended cables to Tesla Charging stations? This way even the early manufactured cars can also use the same stations!!
Second thing for the Parking place, At least some Stations can make parking from the other side and that way non Teslas can charge with out occupying TWO Charging units/place at the same time.
Idea is free but with subscription! :D :D :D
You draw a lot of current through these charging cables. Totally different ballgame from your 120 V/12 A Class II household extension cord.
That’s what the V4 supercharger does. Problem is almost all existing chargers are V3 or V2
You dont need a subscribtion to use the tesla network. Only if you want a slightly lower price/kwh
Tesla is rolling out "pull thru" Superchargers, which are setup more like pavilions at a gas station. This will also eliminate the problem of charge port placement on vehicles.
It's not a big problem. if all non-Teslas park next to each other and take the stall to their left; while Teslas do the opposite on the other side of the site, only 1, or at worst 2, stalls will be lost in all.
Tesla won so huge for this new standard and having such a head start on the charging network.
Ports should be front center or rear center or one on each side & gas cars shoulda been the same.
Hoping BMW starts issuing these out I have so many Tesla chargers here in this not so big part of PA 😂
The Tesla super charger network is one of the reason I never wanted another EV Except for a Tesla.
And the fact I’ve loved the ones I’ve had.
As a Tesla owner I am dreading seeing this happen, however I would agree that as a whole for EVs moving forward this helps it in the long run.
Why did tehy make the software like that?
They could have installed a small Display panel into the charger itself to make the payment via a QR
I mean its just electricity...
Displays on the charger will break. Plug and payment automatically being charged to your credit card is super easy.
I can’t stand this decision but it is what it is. I wish ford would make their own Tesla chargers and make them more available.
Very cool - easier charging is a very good thing
Spend $25.20 for non-tesla charging (tesla (i assume at a supercharge station): $19.20. an $6 difference
or spend addtional $12.99/month in order to get $19.20 (adjustment for margin of error by couple bucks)
which in turn brings the total (if charging once per month): $32.19 total. (an total difference when using against a non-supercharger station without subscription of an saving of $7.08)
at this point just use a supercharger without subscription (unless it locked behind that subscription, as in pay additional $12.99 on top of the cost to charge on the "pay as you go")) to save money.
I don't own an EV and had no concept of how much it costs to charge at one of these stations. It's a lot more expensive than I'd have thought - much more than a tank of gas.
@@Nainara32 Not my tank
@@GamerbyDesignwhat Tesla model do you ownV
@@Nainara32right, rates are higher at these superchargers than at home
@@_nosikeuzoma1456 None was saying my tank does not get full with $25 or $40.
Is anyone building a portable charger that can sit in the car? The influence is the portable chargers for iPhone so why can’t we have that for EVs?
The NACS > CCS adapters should be cables, not just dongles to help with the parking issue.
Not that easy. Those charger cables are liquid cooled for a reason, you can't just pop in a small piece of wire. The diameter of the cable would be huge, that's why the adapter weighs so much.
@@mikemazzantini6397 you are correct. That's why CCS cables are so massive.
WSJ content is so on point these days that I've basically stopped reading/listening/watching to NPR, NYT. Nice piece.
Why don’t they build a longer cord