I Flew The Finnish F/A-18 Pirouette in DCS!
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- I Flew The Finnish F/A-18 Pirouette in DCS! This is an amazing maneuver that only ever seems to be displayed by the Finnish Air Force. I decided to see how closely we can match this in DCS. Enjoy!
In this video the pirouette matches more closely with what I did in DCS: • 2019 Best Jet Fighter ...
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pretty sure all(?) airshow Hornets have their FCS tinkered with.. potentially even more changes done. That being said: great flying and loving the idea of using the spin recovery.
Thanks!
Hey, Command T!
The F/A-18 Hornet has many additional FCS subprograms, such as the 'pirouette logic', that are not modelled in DCS for reasons of national security. The Hornet in DCS is nonetheless capable of performing a pirouette. The procedure for entering the pirouette is to climb over the top, pull approximately 45 degrees of AoA, and go full stick (back and left/right) _and rudder_ in the direction you wish to go. Differential throttle is not required or recommended! Selecting the spin recovery switch in level flight is actually against the NATOPS regulations unless you are a licenced test pilot.
Yeah thanks for that - I only did it to test as doing it the correct way you can't get as good a pirouette as the real thing does :(
@@CommandT Eagle Dynamics has gone above and beyond in creating a believable and realistic Hornet simulation. However, there is still some classified sensitivity in the Hornet's high-AoA, slow-speed flying qualities. ED has (in my opinion) found a good balance. They've created a realistic Hornet simulator without revealing _too_ much capability.
I hope what I've written is of some value to you, and I wish you all the best!
As a Finnish/American, thank you so much for doing this 🇫🇮
Thanks CT, keep them coming! You should really fly the almost (99%) finished F/A-18C lot 20 mod in DCS. You'll be amazed. I won't say anymore 👍🏼
It’s fun being a sub-500 subscriber to a channel you know is gonna be good! Would you mind for these more maneuver-based videos to show your control inputs? Good old right-ctrl + enter?
Thanks! Very kind! Yep, sure thing! I shall do that next time if it doesn't clutter up the screen :)
did you see wagner's f18 pirouette video? I thought that one without thrust vectoring matched real life really well
this manouver made USAAF ask FiAF "you can do that with hornet?" ;)
Ha!
@@CommandT Dunno how mutch this is "horsemans newsroom" information, but thats what old commander of engineers (in airforce) told me personally. Well he has no reason to make that up, so i think it is true. Finnish Pilots are actually pretty high on Hornet learning curve. We have had very nice continuum in training, inside airforce. First we flew vampires and fougas-> then drakens + mig-21 f´s (finland was actually first non soviet country that flew 2 mach with mig21...). From Draken + Mig-21 active use to -> Hornet C model (we have actually pretty much the model of DCS "F/A-18C FiAFF HN" (i think thats "official" classification, but that "HN" might be FiAF own "marking"). You can image why I bouhgt hornet first of HF models (after FC3 planes more or less...). :)
So you can imagine how much Finnish Airforce has "got power off" from Hornet (in a good way, dont know can one say like that in english.. Get something "off from something".. ) after Mig-21 and Drakens... We could not have had better planetype chosen back in 1992 (first planes came to Finland 1995, that were built in US rest were built here in Finland with licence). Now we are waiting our F-35 b.4 for 2025. There will be very interesting times, when we are going to see f-35 operating together with Gripen in trainigs with Swedish Airforce. I can imagine, that could be very nice combo, when / if can be linked like with F-15 EX... (Gripen sweep /escort + F-35 strike etc.. )
@@lasselahti4056 Yes and also apparently the AoA limits or something to do with the flight controls is not the same on the Finnish Hornets compared to the US ones!
@@CommandT Yeah. It might be very possible that we have "tuned" em littlebit... (wasnt me!) OFC there might have been adjustments in some AOA stuff, atleast for landing I think. Finland uses Hornet a lot from road runways. That could be one reason, but dont really know how it is.. Finnish engineers are also pretty "handy" with these planes, as they were mostly built in here (our HN´s) (OFC as I said with licence, but they know it from part to part from very beginning... )
Finnish AF uses newer version of FCS, but Hornet from 2005 in DCS should have "Pirouette Enhancer" ability. Check this document on page 22
trace.tennessee.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=www.google.com/&httpsredir=1&article=3811&context=utk_gradthes
Very nice video!
Afaik, the spin recovery isn't even wired anymore on most hornets since the FCS is doing most of the work
Thanks! Really? Is that right? Interesting
@@CommandT in most departure cases, just put throttle on idle and leave the stick alone lol. that's literally the boldface in the manual.
@@mimimimeow Guarantee you will never recover from a flat spin like that haha.
Hi, thanks for the video! Yeah differential thrust is my guess too. I thought it’s kind of cheating(lol) to do but there’s no way other than he did it. The rotation rate of his pirouette was so fast and I don’t think that is done aerodynamically.
Yeah I'm not sure. What's interesting is that even compared to other Finnish F-18 demos this pirouette in the video that you sent me is far more pronounced than any other!
Could you please share what kind of Track IR you use and the profile the curves you use? I found your settings very responsive. Thanks!
it's trackir 5 but the curves are so specific to my own set up/ angle/ monitor and preference that unfortunately it just won't work for others. Many have asked for this but i always give the same answer. I tried other people's trackir profiles that I thought looked good on video and they were useless on my set up so I'm afraid this will be the same issue for anyone who wants to use my set up.
What is the video you used as reference for the maneuvers (pirouette)? The video you listed in the description is not the same as the one you are showing in the video?
It's this one. I actually couldn't find it myself for a while: czcams.com/video/fGXmExE0Dy4/video.html
You should try the same experiment but maybe pulling the paddle switch? I'm not overly familiar with the f18c but I think this temporarily disables the g limit, you might be able to get some more pitch out of it that way. I'd be interested to know if the pilot flying the display did it.
At low speed you aren't limited by G. That's only at higher speeds. So pulling the paddle at low speed does nothing really. AFAIK anyway
@@CommandT 504 is right. The paddle isn't just override G limit. It's also overrides AoA limit (and a couple more unrelated things too).
You absolutely must get used to using this paddle for the low speed high alpha stuff.
I also highly recommend using the spin recovery switch (open the cover and map the button to toggle on HOTAS). It allows you to temporarily disable the FCS and gives you full rudder/roll/pitch authority without the computer limiting it for you.
@@CommandT If you repeat this exactly the same, but with the paddle you will get the nose higher, and if you enable spin recovery, you will get the nose even higher.. like in the video.
Just remember to turn spin recovery off when you finish the move, or the plane gets very difficult to fly when speed picks up.
@@CameTo As you saw in the video I did it with spin recovery ON for the second try - lots more nose authority but lost yaw moment. So not really ideal. Also as far as I know the paddle is only for G over-ride so won't do anything at low G/ speeds?
@@CameTo Interesting. I will retry with the paddle at high AoA. I was under the impression it's only for G over-ride
Maybe a slight pull on the paddle will bring the nose up alittle more. Great job tho 👍🏻🍻
Thanks! Don't think the paddle will do anything at low speed but I see a few people think otherwise so I might retry :)
Swiss do it too
Matt Wagner said in a interview that they intentionally made the flight dynamics of DCS´ Hornet a bit different of the real Hornet's flight characteristics at low speeds because the plane is still in service and they can't make the simulation too real.
That's a good excuse, I love it
Yeah I actually heard this from someone else too. It's a shame. Especially given how close to the real thing it seems like 85% of the time.
@@CameTo if he really said that, what a good cover for " hey, we just can't get it right"
Whats that headtracking system?
trackir 5
FIRST! 🚀
Nice!
Try harder … 😂😂😂😂