Can You Ride A Lot Farther On An E-Bike?
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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 18. 04. 2020
- Now that I've got my first E-Bike, I need to learn more about it. First up, how much more riding can I get done with limited supplies? I headed up to the trails with limited supplies to find out.
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Being Disabled i love my Ebike, without it i couldn't get out, and didnt for over 10 years and got very depressed in that time, ive now the freedom to enjoy the outdoors, and my mood has lifted too, Ebikes are great for many reasons.
I totally agree with you :) how did you get injured?
@@sebastiankarl7117 Had a car crash, got a head/neck injury from it, i have sever Chronic fatigue, so get exhausted just walking up the stairs
I never even thought about how ebikes can help people like yourself, that's lovely to hear its made a difference to your life and never will I be disparaging of them again.
@@talboyovGY I guess it's like my mobility scooter but on 2 wheels, I have a huge passion for motorbikes that I've had to give up, this is very close to filling that passion for 2 wheels, and it's kept me mentally strong too, I'm lucky I can still ride these bikes and ebikes have made that possible again.
@@wolfe1970 that actually sucks
Letâs take a moment to appreciate how lucky anyone is to have more than one of these amazing machines and such a supernatural place to ride them
I've ridden more distance and height in the last four months on my ebike compared to the previous 12months on my analogue bike and I can keep up with my friends again.
I'm having fun on a bike again instead of it being a painful chore , says it all really.
Right there with you man! Made the switch to ebike a couple of years ago. My friends all ride non ebikes and were initially bothered by it. This all changed quickly as They no longer had to wait up for me. Riding became alot more fun for all of us. Now I ride way more often and am having a blast again.... In the end of the day it's all about getting out more often with no anxiety...
Lol "analogue bike "
Exactly
Thats the whole point I think, we aren't racing so why put yourself through a chore? Riding is supposed to be fun and you're still getting fit while riding. (I dont ride Ebikes but I like that I makes more people ride)
@@Error-hc7mp You totaly missed my point but ok lol
E bikes are good for 3 reason
1) hills
2) longer distances
3) to soak up your money
On normal bikes long distance are possible with practice...for hills I have no idea, I live in flat area
arbj lucky you
@@arbjful On a regular bike uphils are a tedious, never-ending, sluggish and energy draining... E bike worths every penny.
when a large hill (1) or long distance (2) keeps people away from commuting to work with the bike, then an ebike saves them money, because they are not using the car. Lets say you need to commute 15km to work. 30km a day, 150km a week. the car engine needs to be fired up twice from completely cold state, and usually you can calculate 40-60ct per km in the car (considering loss in value, insurance, gas, taxes, maintenance etc.). thats around 75⏠a week.
Lets say your low to mid end ebike costs 2000âŹ. you would save that amount of money in around half a year. so, factoring in that the battery maybe lasts 3 years, and you are still owning a car and taking it when it rains etc. im still pretty sure you get your money back in 1,5 years by going to work alone. even with electricity.
PLUS you still have a good ebike for just having fun outdoors, you can go to partys, go to town without worrying about parking your car.
So yeah, it costs more than a used MTB for 300âŹ, but you probably - i for sure - would use it way more often and for longer distances, so it cancels out faster.
B B like every good thing itâs a love hate relationship. Why else would we be here
people who complain about ebike never tried one usually, they are just so fun. For me I just go faster for the same effort
Physiology labs have tested ebike riders and found the physical effort metrics are about the same. My only problem with eMTBs is the prices make no sense and is mostly about the industry trying to push mean prices up into the elite road bike range.
@@truantray My Santa Cruz Nomad was USD 6800 + upgrades, then my Haibike Nduro 8 was USD 6500...
Sure my pivot is outrageous (USD 10,500), but you can get a very good e-bike in the range of a lower end boutique brand.
I don't think they are too bad, but sure, you can get a KTM 690 for 12K and some e-bikes cost that.
But let's not get into the "from that bike you can get a car" and "from that car you can get a plane" and from that .....
I dont complain, im just making something that will make them redundant ; )
I ride e bikes but i want to ride a real bike and not a motorcycle it feels like this look like this in ride like this and thats what i hate
@@truantray Ithink not, my heartbeat uphill is much lower then it was on normal bike....
I bought a ebike to get back into bicycling again. Made it more enjoyable and get me back into shape. Now that I'm in shape I rather be on a normal bike. Full cabon fat bike. Love it.
Great vid as always Paul, for me the best thing about emts's is the ability to get more riding done in a shorter timeframe - for those of us who have to juggle life around the ability to get a real good ride in over a short time frame is a game changer. The otters great thing is that give you the ability, in my case to link together the few local trails we have into a great loop, something you would never bother doing on a normal MTB.
Those trails are so gorgeous !
I'm a very experienced MTB'er having ridden for +20 years on all kinds of bikes and I just got my first eMTB. And while there are obvious downsides in terms of responsiveness and playfulness there are also big upsides if you like riding long distances and exploring. On a regular MTB during long distance riding you're often worried about "bonking", hitting the wall and running out of steam in the middle of nowhere. At the back of your mind you're always conserving energy and you may be hesitant to explore new paths if you don't know where they will take you. One big difference I found is that with a eMTB I feel like the bike's got my back if I was to fail, which actually is liberating. I don't have to worry so much about running out of steam, if I do I feel like the bike will have my back for the ride home. I can go down that steep trail just to see what's down there, I can climb that extra peak just to enjoy the view etc. My eMTB isn't going to replace my regular MTB, but I can sense it's going to be a wonderful tool for getting out and exploring more. And for the record I typically leave it in assistance level 2/4, I want it to feel like a regular MTB and I enjoy putting in my part of the effort. But now I can ride that bit further and not worry so much about running out of steam.
Right now I have a 15kg trail bike. But I noticed I like very long rides. And with that bike it's very exhausting as it's quite heavy. I was thinking of buying something like xc/downcountry that would take less effort and increase my average speed. But I'm thinking if maybe an emtb could be a good idea, seems like it could be a good bike for long rides, but wouldn't sacrifice capability unlike xc.. Just kinda scared of the prices tbh. 3-4k euro for a used emtb is still a whole bunch of money. Any tips on if it could replace mtb? I can't afford two separate bikes tbh. Or am I wrong about the way I'm thinking about this?
@@GFClocked An eMTB is a great bike to have but it's never going to be as playful and responsive as a regular MTB. If it was me I'd probably want to keep at least one regular MTB around, right now I have two other bikes apart from the eMTB. So if I was in your shoes I'd probably upgrade my trail bike to something lighter and faster and with faster rolling tires, or I would get a 29'er xc or gravel bike to complement my heavy trail bike. You can get very nice 29'er gravel bike for around 2k Euro, that's an extremely versatile type of bike and you can do a lot of different types of rides on it. Have a look at the Kona Sutra ULTD for instance, steel frame and 29 wheels on that one. Very nice.
@@shingnosis thanks for reply. I'll probably have to check the used bike market for some kind of lighter bike in the spring. Thanks
I rented an e-bike this weekend in Hood River, Oregon. I had never used one before. It was a blast. I had no problem ascending up mountains for unreasonable distances. I would've never even attempted such a distance without this e-bike. Love them.
Good to know - I'm headed to Hood River in June for the first time on those trails. I get tired of always being the slow one in my group, even though I'm riding 1-2x per week. The more I ride, the more they ride, and every ride I'm always playing catch-up. Additionally, it's a drag to drive an hour and only have enough energy for one lap, when I could enjoy multiple laps on an ebike. It's tempting for sure, although I like having a lightweight bike on the descents.
I love all your videos and love the way you did comparisons between ebike and normal.
Thank you from Australia.
Very nice and informative video! I really like the approach taken and that you even compare effort levels and the after ride recovery.
Last year us guys rented basic low level E-Bikes (the kind you expect a rental company to have). We took these bikes 30km's down the Queenstown water front. Hit some grade 5 tracks, then rode them all the way back. Over 70km's worth and all 3 of us hadn't ridden a bike in years! That rental day started my passion for mountain biking. (Although I now prefer a hardtail analog bike)
Great video mate. I havenât been into biking or exercise ever. Bought a emountain bike and have done well over 600 miles in 6 weeks. And getting much fitter. I would have definitely Not done this on an ordinary bike đ
Lazzzzy!
Buy a road bike and do 100 miles a day .... you will be 10x as fit 10x as quick đ
Lot of douchebag analog bike fitness warriors. Apart from the point that you can have both types as they are both fun-just like Paul says in the vid-, people seem to want to pick a side. Who cares. E bikes are getting a lot more people out; the average age for the fat tire ebike (Rad etc) is 55 years old. I guess the ego of the bikers who put in the hard miles is so fragile they canât handle other people just getting out and enjoying themselves.
@@zed5129 Not his fault you are single.
@@JaggersLips Road bikes should be banned nuisances!
I bought a Cube reaction hybrid pro 500 2020 the other week and yes it's just a hardtail and I'm not doing anything to extreme but just the other day i did 25 miles, switching between off, eco, tour and emtb and i used 1 bar! Thats insane, these weren't exactly flat roads and trails they were a complete mixture, if you use them smartly the range you can cover is amazing, really looking forward to doing some long rides and exploring once this lock down is over
I love my Haibike Sduro Fullnine 6.0 and it does get me out more often. There is lots of climbing to get up to the trails where I live and I don't enjoy riding long rides far out so the battery always lasts. I enjoy the technical trails and not endless gravel roads. Ebike is the only thing that keeps me from living a completely sedentary lifestyle.
That is actually the best description I watched so far. Owning both, a very good trail MTB and EMTB you nailed it. Subscribed and liked.
I did a 32km trail epic yesterday on non electric YT Jeffsey, burnt 2700kcal, consumed 2 SIS energy gels and 1 protein bar. I have to say I struggled the last 8km because of the number of climbs. It took 3h19m and boy was I tired after, avg heartate was 148bpm, highest 168bpm. Im 43, not exercising as much as I used to and put on a lot of weight recently. This video is exactly what I was hoping somebody would do. I am in two minds about whether to consider an e bike I'm conservative and green conscious so don't really want to support either carbon or electric bikes but might have to if wish to continue my hobby as I get older. Great video
Such a cool video! Thanks for making this!
The motor does all the work on the parts of the ride that usually sap all your energy so of course you can go further. If you're fit and you want a decent workout then you kind of have to ride further. I use the energy saved on climbing to session my favourite descents and to ride as fast as I can on flat sections where the assistance has been cut by the limiter.
Interesting comparison, and great video! I thought the terrain you used was what many people view as ideal for E Bikes, because you minimized the effort on the climbs, and got more DH runs in. HOWEVER, here locally in Arkansas, what most people are enjoying the E-Bikes for, is the longer trail rides that have a good mix of ups and downs as you cover mileage. I don't think one use is better than the other....just pointing out that there are other ways E-Bikes can add to the overall fun factor. You can ride that full 25 mile loop in 2 hours, instead of 3, and you aren't completely wiped out at the end, so you can still do other things. I also felt like you answered your own question at the end regarding when to ride your E bike. The day following your "Trail bike ride" where you felt like you over exerted a little, THAT IS THE DAY you could go for a casual "recovery ride" on the E Bike, and still get valuable saddle time in. So....there are multilple uses for E Bikes. I don't own one, but the times I've ridden them, I've thought they were a blast!
I ride a Scott e-bike, itâs great for long rides and also go grocery shopping using it, I also have a Fuji classic 10 speed which I just use for workouts and enjoy that also, I like both worlds!
A huge advantage of E-bikes that I hadn't really thought about is for use when traveling. I visited New Zealand this winter and only had one day to ride in Queenstown. I wanted to get a mix of the bike park, alpine, and general trail riding in the area. I wouldn't have been able to do it all on a regular bike in one day. So I rented an e-bike and rode 70-something km's with 3000m of climbing. Saved a bunch of money by riding up the climb road at the bike park instead of paying for a lift-ticket and waiting in line all day. An amazing way to see more trails if you're on borrowed time.
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Suuuper excited to get my ebike upgrade. When I was 21 I got excited and bought a top end downhill GT bike. I realized over time that it is a brutal bike for long distance rides based on the frame and everything, but it has absolutely 10 out of 10 handling on the trail and can easily take whatever I throw at it on a downhill.
I want to purchase an ebike that is more comfortable for long distance rides maybe more enduro syle. That way I can ride more trails and even do adventures on my bike riding and fishing along the river and stuff
That was just a good darn vid PTP, thx for bringing it strong!
No problems my dude!
I bought a cheap ancheer e-bike, threw some commuter tires on their, had the gears and brakes tuned up and now I have a kick as little commuter bike! I love that thing.
E-bikes and other motorized vehicles are not allowed at any of the places I ride in Connecticut. I'm actually fine with that, because we don't have people trying to blast past us on the climbs. I think that would get annoying. Especially when the leaderboards on strava start filling up with E-bikers. I like the level playing field we have now. I'd be fine with people with disabilities riding E-bikes on my trails if it gets them out there though.
I ride my bike to shred DOWN trails, with limited time on my hands it's also a great tool as i can get out for an hour or so and cover loads of trails, still keeps my fitness level up as i'm out almost everyday as opposed to once or twice a week on the trail bike. I try to use the trail bike for one of the rides to push my fitness levels a bit but i cannot cover the same ground as my energy just drops and drops after each climb, i quite enjoy the climbs on the eeb! Never thought i'd ever say i enjoy the climbs!! Scott E-Genius 720 2019 in Blue!
e bikes allow my best who has pretty bad asthma, to do the same trails and keep up with me in the process, the ones he uses have a 625wh battery and will do a decent ride of around 30 miles, which is alot on my local trails. I rented one myself out of curiosity and they're great, don't really notice the extra weight once you're really up to speed and like you pointed out can go a bit further too, good video Paul đđ€ keep safe
Nice! Stoked youâre having a good time.
Great video as always mate.
Thought that looked like the PNW.... just up the road hey?! I've demo'd the e-Spark, I LOVED it! Going from what I typically ride with 155mm of travel, I was shocked on how this bike felt and how my confidence grew over the few hours of riding it, I hucked bigger stuff on this than my current bike. Great video by the way, cheers!
I mainly ride my Turbo Levo in Eco mode. I used mission control to up the eco mode just a tiny bit so its just enough to take the edge off but give me good exercise still and really save the battery.
I rarely ever go into trail and never need to go into boost mode unless I want so show off or something lol.
At the end of the day I've got a good workout riding almost double the miles I would have on my Stumpy I have and use about 13% battery every 10 miles of XC single track with what feels like more climbing then descending. We don't have a lot of elevation in my local area so the trails are very much up and down the whole trail instead of up then a lot of down.
The ebike I use when I just don't have much time or want to go on a longer ride or with a big group. I use the regular bike for riding with a friend or two when I don't feel pressured like I have to rush. I really love my ebike now that I got one this year. I find that it's really helped with my technical riding as I'm getting more practise in since I'm riding more often and longer. It's also great to go explore on because on a regular bike you might pass up a new section of trail because you don't know how much effort you are getting yourself into but the ebike I find myself just exploring every little trail I see.
I still Love my regular Stumpy Jumper and the ebike won't replace it but it sure is nice having both. I feel blessed to be able to have both and they really compliment each other nicely.
I run my Turbo Levo at the highest setting. I still end up totally wiped by the end of the day. I'm not in great biking shape though, as I just started a couple months ago.
love the video man, just bought a Spark and pedalling my brains out, so in a few years an E Spark may be in my future.
I just ordered mine,, I have back issues and hip problems therefore I can not walk or stand for long periods of time, I love to ride and for me itâs perfect i Can get some exercise and take it easy at my own pace,,, đđŒđđ»
Great video
Nice real world comparison on the differences
Thanks Mr. Punter for all the content here and on your Joey MTB podcast.
No probs will!
Great realistic comparison! Much Appreciated! Nice Trails too!
Thanks for this video Paul. I also ride both. On my local trail I can do 2 laps on my trail bike and 5 on my e-bike and still have at least 1/4 battery left or do the entire ride in turbo or boost and still have juice left and having had even more fun. In turbo some of the uphill's feel like downhills. After getting used to the e-bike it is now my primary ride for the simple fact that for the same work out I get about another 10 miles then I would other wise.
Iâm really enjoying your videos
great comparison of the two!
I have 3 bikes: full suspension e-bike, Trek Stache and a 26" fat bike. I rode 6394 km's last year (2019)....almost 4000 on the e-bike. The e-bike is primarily used for climbing steeper single track. At my age, 71, I don't have the stamina for the steeper climbs so the e-bike was a natural fit. The Stache 29+ is a great trail bike for singletrack that has less elevation gain but still technical. And of course the fat bike is my winter bike. The 3 bikes are a good mix that keeps me riding 12 months of the year. BTW: this is the 7th consecutive year that I have ridden at least 5000 km's. LIFE IS GOOD!
I have found that I tend to ride my eBike in higher gears because of the assist. I am peddling just as hard and fast as always, but I am moving faster up hills and on flat surfaces. Downhill is the same with or without assist. I ride in a hilly trail area and I cover 2x-3x more distance on the eBike and burn about the same amount of calories per hour. However, I ride the eBike a lot more often than I did the regular bike because it's just more fun.
Savage video ....one thing you do notice on the E bike comparison is that adrenaline speed. Looks crazy fast
Bought an Ebike last year after much soul searching. Only rode Ebike for about 4 months and then went back to analogue bike and it struck me how much harder bit was to ride without getting the boost out of corners, but the simplicity of no motors or batteries was pretty great. And now Iâm back on an analogue hardtail and loving it as well.
Itâs bikes at the end of the day.
That has to be the best comparison video I've seen yet, and I'm not just saying that cuz I like you. đ Well done, Sir!
Haha cheers Bryan!
Nice Paul. Very useful.
I love ebikes, and i love how they can help me enjoy the great outdoors. There are many reasons that make them absolutely worth a purchase. Ive an Aventon Sinch that I purchased from SWFL golf Carts
Hey, this was a super great video. Nice job Paul! Really good info
Great video, ebikes are awesome. They are a great addition to any stable.
Bought a longer travel e-bike to complement my old trail bike over a year ago to help get out riding more often and thought I'd mix and match between the two. What's ended up happening is the e-bike getting used way more than the old bike ever did plus the road bike getting dusted off after a good few years retirement and ridden almost as much again with the old MTB sitting lonely at the back of the garage where the road bike once lived.
Now it's E-bike for fun on the dirt and the road bike for fitness on asphalt in almost equal measures.
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The only bikes I have now are my e-bike and my acoustic road bike. I donât need anything else!
@@IntegrityWorks I am down to an ebike.I parked my mountainbike years ago.I live on a decent hill to not only get to my house--but have to climb one to leave and get to the trails.I just did 10 miles today--PAS level 3 in 5th gear.I pedal 85% of the time--and in 2 days 25 miles--used up one bar of power.I also went to a trail today that was rain soaked and had no problem-this was a medium level gravel--grass--dirt trail that would have worn out any pedal biker and I did it 3 or so times while just mildly peddling--plus on an ebike you can enjoy things so much better.Last night it looked like a storm was coming and i made it back home--3 miles in less then 10 minutes--then no storm and rode around the neighborhood.Plus when you need it--like you discover some trail in the woods--these things turn into offroad mopeds that you can explore stuuf you normally would not be able to.
I've been mountain biking for a couple decades now. Never have I ever been a good climber. I climb only to descend. Now that I'm over 60 I'm an even worse climber. Not long ago I moved to a community with a national forest right behind us. Only problem is every trail into the mountains is straight up. I tried one trail on my regular MTB and made it about halfway. For reasons too complicated to explain, I needed to get all the way up. So I rode my wife's pedal-assist bike. I easily made it all the way up, and beyond. I bought a new pedal-assist bike a few days later. Now I look at climbs more like flats, and I can rider higher up for longer descents down. Best invention for cycling since the derailleur.
best comparison between normal vs. E that I've seen to date - great job!
Cheers James!
Really useful review and real world comparison on how it feels, very interesting heart rate stats too
I think what is pretty neat about the e-bikes, is that they can get you places you wouldn't have gone before, because you are not as fit as you need to be, to get there.
You can keep power reserves, to go farther and just use battery power to get you back.
Driving through the rockies, sight seeing on a mountain bike is amazing, doing this on an e-bike is EXTREMELY enjoyable, because the hill climbs really suck.
As for trail riding, I don't know, getting you up the hills is great, but they are super expensive to crash and heavy things to push through the corners.
You can really see the use of the motor on long distance and even windy conditions, that extra support is just so satisfying.
I have a 20000 mAh, 500Amp booster battery I love to be able to plug in for extending the range. I wonder if that is possible on some of these.
One of the local spots I ride regularly is night and day difference between the two. On my acoustic, I can do one easy, flowy trail then climb to the top of the mid/hard for 40min and take one go downhill. That's about 2-2.5hrs. On my ebike, I take the downhill trail 4(!) times then go hit some easy trails or do some exploring. At the end I have 30-40% battery left. Total time is the same. But I get to ride 3 to 4 times as much stuff on the ebike! Not only is the sucky, gravel road climb stops being such a chore. I don't have to suck in so much dust from the passing vehicles because I get to the top in a quarter of the time.
The things that benefit me. With my E trike, I get out more because I don't dread getting worn out before I get back. I find that after I get out, I push the peddles just as hard anyways and go further and go faster to enjoy the wind cooling effect of 20 vs 11 MPH. I can use throttle for about 15 seconds or so to relax my legs and then resume peddling where before I would stop for a break and start sweating due to lack of breeze. Hills don't affect my route anymore. I get way more exercise now than ever before. Explore more areas etc. I'm 55 and haven't ridden in 15 years. Heck, hardly done anything for that long.
Really enjoyed this vid :D pacing was spot on
Excellent video as always Paulđ For me, the best thing about the e bike is that you can ride day after day without too much in the way of muscle fatigue. Makes it so much more enjoyableđ
Cheers dawg!
McTrail Rider But muscle fatigue is the nicest feeling in the world! No pain, no gain as the saying goes! đȘđ
Ola Justin it is a great/rewarding feeling but it does wear on me after several days of riding in a row.
McTrail Rider I understand. Sure would be nice to have an e-MTB for those days! :)
@@McTrailRider haha I wouldn't recommend working as a mountain bike guide then! Welcome to my life.
Like you say at the end I'd never get rid of my normal bike but it's great to have the option to jump on the ebike. I find that I still get just as much of a workout but in a slightly different way and because of the extra weight I get more of an upper body workout. Great video Paul I'm looking forward to seeing what having an ebike will bring to the channel :)
Cheers Duncan! Couldn't have put it better.
Nice one Paul. I got myself an e bike after my heart attack, which got me back into mountain biking. Fitness is back and I can easily max myself out on the e bike on a techy climb section, try it, twice the fun. đ
I own an espark too. Absolutely love it đđđđ
hi just bought a genius eride 900 tuned iâm 52 years old and loving it more than ever your videos are inspiring keep up the good work cheers
Thanks for the data!
Interesting conclusion. Thanks
E-Bikes are not to be underestimated to get back into biking or start with biking at all. They are a freaking game changer for that. (I also love my E-Allmountain a lot)
Your video on who an Ebike is for is when I found your channel, hopefully this video does as well as that one! cheers!
Oh awesome! Great username too đ
I got 3 batteries and a fleet of the trek bikes here in Vancouver if you ever want to do a head to head test ride or a multi battery journey ebike day just let me know brother. Another great vid Paul ty
Great vid stay safe mate đđ€Ș
Great video, but, I'm 59, fat, and been inactive, but since getting my 'Overfly' fat tire 26 inch ebike I've been very active, peddling more and more with no assist and losing weight. I put a bike mount on my treardrop and taking it out of town to trails and beaches. I'm having as much fun as I did at 12 (on my 5 speed with banana seat!) I thought I was losing my mind but have learned that many people my age are riding ebikes and having a blast with them.
You just remind me to get an ebike.
Iâve just bought an e bike I was riding an orange P7. my knees were badly damaged 27yrs ago in a motor cycle accident finally the damaged has caught up with me I wanted to continue mountain biking the E-bike is just exactly what I need to continue something I love
This is actually quite cool an informative! Thanks for this!
No problem!
Iâm 67 years old and because I have an Ebike I can still ride and have fun and get the old heart pumping!
Lovely video mate
I have done 43 miles in the Mountains here in Pisgah Forest, NC on my Ebike. I never did 43 miles on my regular mountain bikes. A 20 mile ride in the mountains is enough for me on a regular bike. It's great to be able to do those long rides. I use the lowest assist I can so I still get a workout. I am also 66 years old and have been riding 45 years.
After a year and maybe 200 000 vertical descent on my ebike I'll start with - welcome to the club!
I'll do two predictions:
1/ Once you get to do interesting uphill climbs with the ebike, think blue/black trails, that part of the ride can be almost as fun as going downhill. And such a hard new "discipline" to learn!
2/ When you master the weight and can start "pre loading" the turns and jumps and like you said exaggerate the moves, the stability makes the riding so fun! You'll notice it even more in wilder trails with loose rocks, no berms etcetera like we have here in the Pyrenees (my home @bergaenduro)
Yes it is a new discipline for sure! Thanks for the heads up on my future, looking forward to it.
I have similar E Genius 920 but upgraded a little.
1. Fork Lyric 160
2 Wheels Spank rims with tyres 29x2.6
3. cassette Sunrace 11-46
4 XT brake discs 203 mm.
Two years riding 0 problems good machine.
good ride on the trail bike.
Good approach for comparison!
There are two things I really love about having an e-bike. I frequently go out for a ride when I'm kinda lazy and tired because I have it in my head that I'll let the motor do more of the work if I don't feel like it but I find myself getting a decent workout and feeling better then I did before. The second one is that it allows me to go for a decent ride before work, enjoying the trail, nature, and still having enough energy for a full workday. It just allows me to do more rides and on days where I probably would not be able to go out for a ride.
That's exactly why I'm thinking of getting one in the future. I hit the trails regularly and sometimes I'm just too pooped to go for another ride. I love just cruising along in the fresh air. And this is where an E bike would come in handy, for those lazy tired days.
E bikes are great for so many reasons that I think they have something to provide everyone. The only thing I cant understand is why someone would buy a prebuilt ebike like the one in this video. I find that certain prebuilts are a good value (look up âLuna X1 Enduroâ or âLuna Apolloâ), but for the most part, you could get far more value from a bafang kit. Putting a bafang motor and battery on your bike provides you with: a lighter bike than a prebuilt, a much stronger motor than in most prebuilts (1500w if you buy the Bafang BBSHD), much longer range (up to 24ah compared to most prebuiltsâ 12ah), and you can put it on any bike you want. I put Bafangâs BBSHD kit on my hardtail enduro bike and it has been a thrill. I ride around my local trails (ebike allowed) and see other people with far more expensive ebikes still working hard to go up the trails, while I cruise past them going 4x the speed. I can ride all day in high pedal assist modes without worrying about battery life too! Where I used to spend more than half my time slaving up fire roads, now I cruise up them and spend more time riding enjoyable trails. If you are considering getting an ebike, look at the BBSHD kit and youâll be surprized by the value it offers.
The average moving speed difference on Strava is what is speaking volumes to me....especially on the 7 minute section of the video. good video.
When you work 7 days a week in a physical job live in London and a lot of of those shifts are at night , an ebike is a necessity .
I really enjoyed your comparison. It seemed like a real world view.
Just doing my part :) - Cheers!
You're so lucky to have quality local trails. My local trails are kinda crap. Anyways, yeah, the e-bike definitely lets one ride more. Too bad they are so expensive.
I like this analysis.
Paul, great comparison and it's good to quiet some of the foolish haters :-) Pretty soon the haters will all have e-bikes if they manage to survive the stress of hating! I'm 61 yo and riding MTB for 25 years. I've had my levo for 1 year and put on 2300 miles. It's been a blast and I still ride my acoustic bike occasionally. The e-bike is just so much more versatile. If you want to get a harder workout all you have to do is lower the power settings.This means there's no excuses for people that want an e-bike that are concerned they're going to lose Fitness. It's always up to the individual how hard they want to work. It's just that the ebike enables you to do things that you might not have done otherwise.
#LovingLevo
I see your point, but what if I don't want any assistance on climbs, but also don't want to pull an extra 10 kg more of the hill and don't want to spend an extra 2000⏠on my bike? Why should I get an e-bike?
And don't give me any of the "You don't have to get one", if you explicitly state that everyone will soon have one and that there is no excuse not to buy one.
@@beckobert Ride whatever you want, just don't be a hater! If you're sincere about wondering what to do because you don't want to Pedal the extra weight, you can set the power assist level to compensate for whatever amount of assistance you want. The reality is if the bike is heavier then using a little power to compensate back to the level of a push bike is entirely possible.
I lowered the level of assistance in eco mode because it was set by the factory to a level that is in excess of what I desire. The levo has a bluetooth app that allows you to adjust it continuously between 0 and 100% at each of the three levels. Can figure out whatever way you want. I've also been on rides that were fairly flat and was riding with people on push bikes, so I turn the power off entirely for nearly 22 miles. I'm just not sure you're interested anyway, but just in case you were, I'll add this information to help you.
hahahaha acoustic bike
@@lopezcarlton I also started calling them "a-bikes" too (antique bike) :-)
Iâd be curious to see how much longer you could have gone using eco mode?
Another great video Idea for lockdown!
I average 380m vertical on ECO high and 320-330m on Trail mid.
Pivot shuttle with 12x I weigh 78Kg, the bike is 21Kg
... climbing on granny gear. The steeper it is the faster it drains. If it is fire roads it is almost 400, if it is steep, it goes more into the 340
And it depends how you set up each setting too on the shimano
I rode one in eco mode for 35 miles and about 7000 ft elevation change 4-5 hrs ride time. I used a little more than 1/2 the battery. Id like to do a ride until the battery runs out to really see how far I can go.
The bike was really fun and capable at first. But kinda boring after awhile. It makes riding too easy. I ride bikes FOR the physical struggle and challenge.
I'd still rather buy a motorcycle.
In the remote areas I ride I NEED ROCK SOLID RELIABILITY.
Wrenching in a shop, I see the glitches, warranties, issues and time in the shop as not commensurate with the costs involved.
Besides, bicycles are supposed to be SIMPLE MACHINES!
I like how honest you are about who sponsors you unlike some un named channels
Riding eBikes uphill only. In good weather weeks, riding over 100 km per week. Averaging in 37 km & around 225 flights/floors on a ride. Sweating like ice on a direct sunlight, somewhere in Sahara.
Paulâs the Goat. My WPL is almost here yay!
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The ebikes are a game-changer. Itâs like doing performance enhancing drugs without the drugs. 250watt motor is pretty small I wonder how the comparison would be with a 500 watt motor or something bigger than 250 watt? It would certainly be beneficial if you wanted to take a friend on a MTB ride that wasnât in good shape and still wanted to do an hour climb. Iâm seeing the ebike as the e-ticket fir casual riders that can get in a 1 hour ride in 40 minutes.
I just get more done in less time on my eBike. And, itâs given me confidence to hit harder trails and features and even travel further to ride because I can cover twice the distance when I finally get there. But point my bike down the trail and Iâd take the carbon enduro analogue any day.
2 wheels carry our soul! It's a very nice video, I'm an KTM electric mountain bike rider, I live in the Netherlands, I'm still waiting for my new channel. Good luck with my love.
You did great. I have an Explorer on the way so this was very helpful. My only concern is I donât have a torque wrench with Allen keys to torque everything to the specs in the instructions. Iâll have to just use my elbow torque wrench I guess.
If you went alongside your normal bike self on an ebike, ie pootled up the hills, you can go way further still. My friend on a normal bike conked out at Cwmcarn in South Wales and, having gone his speed for nearly 2 hours I still had over 75% battery left.
The same ride on my own took just over 1 hour but I had 30% left.
Les effort well that depends on what Youâre willing to give...with my Haibike Allmountain Pro (about 23,6kg) it Supports up to 25km/h and I have a average speed of 26,8-27,5km/h so yes...most of the time Iâm going between 28-35km/h pushing it pretty hard...
Heart rate up to max180 or 140-150 average...
So far away from effortless đ
Doing that for 2 weeks and swap to my Stevens 29â hardtail mountain bike (only about 12,6kg) it feels like a road bike racing it with up to 45-50km/h on a flat đ
So...? I train with the heaviest bike in order to be faster on the lighter one. Plans for a Ironman on Lanzarote for 2022...oh yeah Iâm 57 years in May 2020 đ
You all stay fit and healthy.
Yup, that's the point I made :). Glad you are killing it at 57!
Wow! U Sr. Are amazing..
Great video, thanks.
Two things that really change the battery life are tyre type and how you set up each mode. You might find a sweet climbing spot by turning down trail mode to its lowest setting.
Changing to a dedicated mud tyre on the front of mine knocked a good 400ft off the overall climbing ability. Needed it this winter though!
Many people forget that mountainbiking isnt just about pedaling. I've got a 5kw downhill "e" bike but i get a full body workout everytime i ride it. Arms shoulders back abs and legs are burning af when you're ding 50km/h on a twisty and bumpy trail.
Just followed you on strava đđ»đŽââïž
More distance, higher elevation, and in less time = MORE FUN. Bought my eMTB and never looked back. Of course I still ride my analog MTB's but the eMTB was an absolute game changer for me. I still get the stank eye from the haters but that's fine because riding for me is just that, about riding as much as I can in a day. So let the haters hate. They're no different than all those skiers back in the day when they yelled at us snowboarders telling us that we were taking up all the snow on the mountain and that our snowboards were a danger to everyone. And now look, snowboarding is sponsored by the biggest names, ESPN, Fox Sports, Red Bull not to mention it's an Olympic Sport. Haters fear what they don't understand and they hate what they can't do even more. Thankfully prices are coming way down on eMTBs so hopefully everyone will be able to pick up one of these and see for themselves why many countries in Europe have already regulated them for mountain and trail riding all across that region.