@Matthew Jester the original comment purposefully omits context. That's the whole joke. Either that or he's an idiot, but I'm going to assume the former.
@@mariusschatz7431 the term chess tactics basically means a sequence of a few moves that wins material, like puzzles - forks, mates, pins etc. I dont think engines matter much there.
Kasparov became number #1 rated player when he was 19 and kept that title till he retired. Carlsen will have to keep the #1 rating till 2033 to match Kasparov's performance. That will be hard as fuck to do as many young players are coming up
@embrace reality You grade it by the gap. Yes all-time ranking, by like 50 points between the 2nd Current player. Not much better. I'm sure of Morphy or Fischer was born in this time period. They'd probably destroy Magnus
@@johnwayne8494 Well I'm sure the amount of medical attention that was possible to give a person in that time was much less then during the mid to late 1800s when he died.
@ERIC 9 He certainly knew a bit of military battle tactics considering that he won multiple battles. While it is true that generals like Agrippa did a lot more then he did but considering that Augustus was an administrator and not a person known for his military genius it's still impressive. Also I don't know why it matters so much he doesn't have to be a good general to be a good Emporer most Emporers weren't generals including good ones.
11:44 Hikaru: "So I've beaten Gata Kamsky, I've beaten Alexei Shirov, I've beaten Boris Gelfand, I've beaten Evgeny Bareev, I've beaten Topalov, I've beaten Karpov, I've beaten Ivanchuk, I've beaten Kramnik, I've beaten Anand, and Garry I've never played a classical match against him so it doesn't count" Also Hikaru: *c'mon that's not a flex*
Oh that's interesting why he didint mention that he was also crushed by them?. There is a funny video of Hikaru Being such a bad loser against Shirov :)
@@oscarb1369 why did he need to say that? Everyone knows that he can or problaly have lose to anyone of then. Here, him are talking about what he alredy have achieve. Not what he doent
Why are people overreacting, "He didn't say he lose to them so he's fleixng" or some sht. It's not even a big deal for someone to say that he doesn't need to mention every time he lose to somebody everytime he says he won against somebody. Stop putting meaning behind his words when it is not even objectively correct.
I liked how he paused perfectly on 1971 when Bobby was soaring over everyone else and chat just freaked out and then he unpaused it and the graph immedietly took a u turn and plummeted and chat had a mental breakdown. Unintentonal, but hilarious
moistrictical is above the chart, the camera would need to zoom out. Especially after the spike he had after winning against grandmaster XQC with only 6 moves
moistcr1tikal was rated 9999999999999 at his lowest. Everyone knew he was, and is the best player so they just ignore him. Beating a grandmaster in 6 moves is easy for him.
7:20 I love when Hikaru starts talking in circles like that. Feels like that one Broadcast fail "10 people died last night during a fire that killed 10 people during a fire last night"
by the house where he lived theres like theres a plaque and um theres a plaque stating that thats the house where he lives so i did go by and see the house where he lived in um in in riga
@@TarePandaHelp because hes a pepega, i didnt get coached by hikaru and am absolute trash at the game but i still saw moisty's move coming, xqc is a level 10 pepega, the special kind. Hikaru couldnt have done anything to redeem his lost brain
@@zsamich he is just memeing,dont be too serious.Just like French soldiers were called "only good at running away" but people from france couldnt care less
@Bryan Black They will label anyone as "schizophrenic" or "crazy" whenever people question jewish influence. The media was dogging on him 24/7 so of course he was gonna bite back. He just realized the truth and decided to live abroad and not take part in the system. He was part jew ffs does that not give you a clue that maybe he had something important to say on the matter?
@@naj4261 Yeah I mean, America as a nation, entirely deserved. The people in the towers? Probably didn't deserve it. But the whole "bombing everybody" and "arming terrible organisations" couldn't possibly be more accurate, apart from maybe with the slight addition to make it "bombing everybody with any oil that we want"
Duck Sargent I think the worst thing about the USA is that they always try to have or try to seem to have the moral highground in conflicts(example:cold war). A lot of people also seem to forget how the cold war was started by the USA by stopping west German reperations going to the Soviet Union and the Truman doctrine. The USA doesnt have its power because of the moral highground, but it does have the moral highground because of its power. Another thing that I dislike about the USA is propaganda, because its disguised. This is the difference between the Soviet Union and the USA, one didnt try to hide its ugly face.
I imagine the dip in morphies score was due to him getting bored with the game and playing less. I MEAN towards the end of his career, he was playing blindfolded, with less pieces, and a 5 round deficit against the best players at the time! If anything, it was boredom.
One dude continued his chess career to 69 year old, so he could have broken world records with how many years he was dominating as world best chess player, so it was stupid to him stop ches in his early 30s then.
Apparently he didn't even take chess that seriously, he was more interested in studying law. Plus there were no great players for Morphy to learn from, no engines, not a lot of books to learn theory etc. So his rise and peak, at least for me, is the best.
Interesting to see that there is many patterns where if the leader is on top clearly alone, his curve comes down. And when there is new wave of players giving challenge, then the curves goes up in pairs. For example Lasker goes on top and after dominating alone his curve comes down. But then emerges Capablanca and their curves shoots sky high together. This shows how important the rivalry is for the overall level or peak. No competition, no high score and vice versa.
@@centralprocessingunit2564 no ur the toxic community. Elitists that defend the game from everyone else are hurting the chess community more than some twitch streamers
You don't lose any rating points from stopping playing. But after a while your rating becomes deemed inactive and isn't used for any leaderboards. Any drop in rating that you see is because they were STILL playing not because they weren't. So alot of players played into their old age and dropped in rating because they were no longer at their peak. When the line disappears completely, it is because they became inactive or died. You don't lose rating from being inactive.
@@peterbedford449 not that kind of drop, I'm talking about people like fischer and morphy dropping. This chart doesn't take them off the board when they retire from chess.
@@peterbedford449 Bobby Ficher and Paul Morohy both were still so young and then their rank start to drop and then they just stop playing chess at so young age, when I wonder that, when they could brake world records with how long they dominated the 1st place in chess.
Gary on top for over 23 years. What a freak of nature run. Might say he’s the best ever in the modern era. Edit: also, Alexander petrov was top ten for 40 years? Gosh.
@@lordspongebobofhousesquare1616 You have to take in to account that chess is more competitive than ever before, so its harder to stand out more when almost every chess strategy have been revealed, and its easier to get access to information you need to improve.
Even if we only count people who lived to 18, average life expectancy today should be much higher since we don't have to deal with Polio, Cholera, etc.
and now he really is officially going to be number two on fide (not just live ratings, which was what it was a few days ago) when the fide updates official ratings at the end of the month. Now he's won Norway chess 2023 and there's no other fide events that will affect the top rankings for the rest of the month.
Morphy was such a god. Sat comfortably above the next best player by hundreds of points, and quit the game because it was too easy. He went to a chess club once, with some very strong players, gave them all odds and still won most games. Way ahead of his time.
According to Jeff Sonas the greatest gap was between "who is this guy" Steinitz and Henry Bird: 199 points. Then comes Fischer and Spassky, 146 points.
@@Neonb88 no, he wasn't. Life expectancy was lower centuries ago mainly because of higher infant and general mortality which dragged down the average. Humans have always lived until their 80s, 90s, etc. just to a less frequent degree than today.
@@NippleOfOdin Well, you can't just go by the longest-lived people to compare eras. At some point you've got to include some sort of average age. So, Nakamura was not that far of.
@@davidhoekstra4620 hikaru's pretty wrong in the fact that it wasn't uncommon in the 1800s for people to live well into their 60s and 70s. if you take away all of the deaths before 5 years old then the average age is quite close to ours.
@@jettaeschroff6924 If you take away all Jameis's Interceptions his QB rating would be close to Tom Brady's. That would be an atrocious distortion, however. In any case it would be reasonable for Hikaru to suppose that the life expectancy of someone in their 40's would be significantly lower in the 1800s than it is now.
1. Thou Shant Lewd Kaori most competitive chess players play for their whole life and never get grandmaster, most chess players who do become grandmasters spend over 10 years trying to do so - overwatch was released less than 5 years ago and already had thousands of grandmasters. if chess was released less than 5 years ago like overwatch was you wouldn’t have any grandmasters. You don’t spend 6 hrs on 1 match in overwatch but you do for 1 game in chess (in competitive play). You can’t compare them really.
the letter в is v in Cyrillic alphabet but at the end of a word it sounds like and f. (grammar rule). so most foreigners will read Petrov but if a Russian sees it he`ll know that v sounds like an f.
Libor Kundrát They’re not tough to categorize. Fabiano was born in Florida and now plays for the American Chess Federation (or whatever it’s called). Wesley immigrated to the U.S. and plays for the American Chess Federation. It’s just simple as that.
Hi Hikaru. If you look closer, during and after WWI, you will notice that Lasker and Capablanca broke 2800, as did Alekhine and Botvinnik before and after WWII. The dominance and quality of those players should not be forgotten.
von de Lasa gave us the von de lasa attack in games like the Bc4 - Ng5 attacking variants for White in opening like the Scotch Gambit. he was also important in helping finalize most of the rules of modern chess. You can read about him in Staunton's book "Chess Praxis"
If Fischer hadn't quit, he could've quite possibly dominated for a few more decades. Because he wasn't a product of his time, he was ahead of his time. Kasparov also could've potentially continued to dominate, but he decided to quit while he was ahead and tried to pursue politics. So it's not so much that they "got knocked off", rather they chose to retire. Although who knows, Fischer may've never retired if the politics had gone more smoothly for him.
The brain slows down... for example most of the greatest mathematicians make their best works before being 30 (not that there aren't plenty of people what achieved important results after that, but still...)
The history behind Alexander McDonnell is pretty interesting, one of the best players early on in the video. He died young so never reached full potential but some of you may be familiar with the McDonnell gambit which he introduced against the then number 1 - La Bourdonnais.
@A 1000 Lmao you make it sound like he left because he was scared or something, you know as well as I do he quit for different reasons. The soviet union was pumping out grandmasters with huge amounts of funding for their players, Fischer comes along and easily polishes them off left and right. And yes he was a real champion.
Just to explain the rising and falling of the curves: the Elo-System behaves more like a currency than an absolute rating. So the distance to other players tells you more than the absolute value of their rating. A falling curve *could* mean that everyone gets worse, however it is more likely, that everyone gets "more even". The elo rating is also proportional to the whole "population" of players. Because technically, every player *can* influence every other player (if you would play everyone vs everyone). I also think the graphs are drawn curvier than the ratings actually were, because if you stop playing, your rating does not decay (which is a big flaw in the FIDE rating pointed out numerous times). This is why you usually only rate "active" players (whatever that means in your context).
I agree. Going by the distance to other players of his era, Fisher was the best. No way anybody could have gotten as many draws against him in a match as Caruna got against Magnus.
Just some information for everyone, even if some players reached 2800 in rating, it's not 2800 really. From 1910 to 2010, CMR (Chessmetrics) was used which has a different rating system and the inflation is much higher. As an example, the CMR rating gives Bobby Fischer a rating of almost 2900. In ELO, however, it's actually 2770~.
@@haakonhamer9122 I'm not completely sure, but I think it actually deflated instead of inflated the ratings. Also, you probably saw, for example, EDO/CMR. Abacaba probably calculated the average between the ratings before switching fully to CMR in 1920.
Good, i was surprised that bobby fischer even got close to 2900, cuz im pretty sure that carlsen had the highest in history and he achieved 2882, thankyou for this information.
Reponses to Hikaru's questions/remarks: 1) People lived to be 60 in the 1850s, if they got through their childhood OK 2) What happened in the early 1900s: Lasker semi-retired from chess, hence his rating dropped 3) First player to cross 2800: Capablanca in 1915. The other players to cross 2800: Lasker in 1916, Alekhine in 1928, Botvinnik in 1944, Fischer in 1966, Karpov in 1974, Korchnoi in 1978, Kasparov in 1982, maybe Ivanchuk in 1992 (not clear, he's scratching it), Anand in 1995, Kramnik in 1996, Topalov in 2006, Carlsen and Aronian in 2010, Caruana and Grischuk in 2014, Nakamura in 2015. 4) Largest gap: Morphy by 170 in 1857. Other large gaps: Steinitz by 150 in 1873 and 1876, Capablanca by 110 in 1921, Botvinnik by 120 in 1946, Fischer by 130 in 1972. Kasparov led the third rated player by 130 points in 1989, but #2 Karpov was only 30 points behind. Similarly, Lasker led the third rated player by 120 points in 1899 (spoiler: Tarrasch), Alekhine by 120 points in 1931 (spoiler: Capablanca), and Carlsen by 100 points in 2014 (spoiler: Aronian).
Interesting video and I'm glad Hikaru took the time to narrate his take. There's a few strange blips to take note of. Ignatz Kolisch sticks out as an anomaly - his chess is impressive. I remember examining his games some time ago and found them having a strikingly modern character. Lasker, of course, is the odd ball. Fischer's "coffee house" assessment of him always bothered me as cynically biased, but in examining Lasker further - Fischer was essentially right. I put Lasker in the category of " very hard to defeat" rather than tactician, strategist, brilliancy genius, etc. He was all those things at one time or another, but his 'refuse to lose' attitude rises above all else. As a result, I have greater appreciation for him.
@@TheRoniverseOfficial It's not something you can really put into words. Looking at Kolisch's style around the time of his rise, struck me as odd. You'll see what I mean if you sample some of them. Whether it was by accident or what, he was doing things that pre-dated Steinitz. Like I say, Ignatz Kolisch is a brief anomaly.
"In 1997 I was only 10 years old, I wasn't that good. I mean, I was only rated 2200"
-Hikaru Nakamura
Looooooooooooooooool
Pepelaugh
Oh no no
Hikamaru PepeLaugh
that really hurts my 1200 rated 31Yo. ass
“But he probably did die, yea.” - Hikaru, talking about a guy born in the 1700s
He was talking about that point on the graph smart guy... You do understand it was a timeline, yes?
The guy above me is right
Even funnier, in the graph he really Disappears when he gets to 69
@@terryfuldsgaming7995 I'm pretty sure he was making a joke...
@Matthew Jester the original comment purposefully omits context. That's the whole joke. Either that or he's an idiot, but I'm going to assume the former.
2:02
Video: Literally about the number 1 chess players
Hikaru: that guy was a really good chess player btw
maybe that guy's 'top' tactics at that era can only be considered 'good' at this era
@@RyotaMitarai i dont think tactics changed that much
@@LK25278 The Introduction of Computer engines did do a lot for the chess theory so idk
repent unto God
@@mariusschatz7431 the term chess tactics basically means a sequence of a few moves that wins material, like puzzles - forks, mates, pins etc. I dont think engines matter much there.
"Here come the Germans"- an American from Japanese origins.
Interestingly enough, the most decorated military unit in American history is the Japanese 442nd who fought the Germans and reached the Lost Battalion
Oh my xD
Lmfao
@@Kitajima2 Ahh hikarus ancestors
@@Kitajima2 Clearly they’ve nothing in common with immigrants today.
Kasparov was no.1 for 23 years, crazy
And Steinitz for 21
@@janosikplayer2211 there were no real opponents in that time,and if you were the world champion you could choose who to play !
@Holden Caulfield true but Kasparov also used those chess engines. Whenever he is asked about specific moves he always references data in his answer.
Kasparov became number #1 rated player when he was 19 and kept that title till he retired. Carlsen will have to keep the #1 rating till 2033 to match Kasparov's performance. That will be hard as fuck to do as many young players are coming up
@Prasanth Sridhar
Magnus has won triple crown twice
Fucking "twice"
No one ever did that
Hikaru: why does everyone just fall down with points? is it becuse ww1?
Chat: new patch.
Just new meta, everybody started abusing Queen's Gambit
@@sneamer1282 rly?
the rank reset
Glitch called "en passant"
Early discoveries of the wooden shield
13:55 Hikaru suddenly appearing and dabbing in front of Magnus Carlsen's face is GOLD
repent unto God
😂
3:12 Alexander Petrov stopped playing after he was 69 years old, what a pogchamp.
he died (pog)
@@itisi996 I laughed out loud to that
@@lilfrontgarden lol
What’s even crazier is in 1850 the average life span of a male in Russia was 27 years old.
Also, Lasker’s graph "left" the chart when he was 69 (years old).
When Kasparov was 42, he was rank 1 over half his life. Damn.
Dude just seemed to be born to play chess. Have you seen his analysis videos? His brain goes toe to toe with Stockfish.
@@TheRoniverseOfficial lol no, Magnus is much better
Professor Stexy not much. But arguably better.
King M Magnus is objectively way better than Kasparov now, but at his prime, Garry was insanely strong.
@embrace reality You grade it by the gap. Yes all-time ranking, by like 50 points between the 2nd Current player. Not much better. I'm sure of Morphy or Fischer was born in this time period. They'd probably destroy Magnus
0:18 one moment of silence for the purple line.
Lmaoo
He tried lol
Snaped straight out of existence
semichub
Dude invented chess and immediately decided he didn't like it.
Hikaru: “60 years old is pretty badass in 1850”
Augustus Caesar dying at 75 in 14 AD:
He was a military general and dictator so I don't think the medical attention he got was comparable to a Russian chess player at the time.
@ERIC 9 can I get that source
@ERIC 9 wrong ceasar
@@johnwayne8494 Well I'm sure the amount of medical attention that was possible to give a person in that time was much less then during the mid to late 1800s when he died.
@ERIC 9 He certainly knew a bit of military battle tactics considering that he won multiple battles. While it is true that generals like Agrippa did a lot more then he did but considering that Augustus was an administrator and not a person known for his military genius it's still impressive. Also I don't know why it matters so much he doesn't have to be a good general to be a good Emporer most Emporers weren't generals including good ones.
0:46 the fact that one of the greatest chess players of all time just says shit like “what a Pepega” never fails to crack me up lmao
lmao this is soooo great
One of the greatest blitz/bullet players of all time maybe.
C9
@@randombutspecific One of the most influential as well, I imagine.
@@randombutspecific definitely that. But he's also top 5 as of now in classical
12:20 "Come one Guys I was 10 years old, I was not that good in chess I was only 2200"
Everyone else: 1500 peak
400 peak PepeHands
And I struggle at 1250
***on lichess
@@skytossonlynoi2286 ;p
@@skytossonlynoi2286 Still higher than xQc KEKW
Congrats Hikaru on making this list. You are a part of chess history.
This is not hikaru’s channel lmao
@@ajaypoling9018 He's congratulating Hikaru...
@@oxalt They usually do
@@oxalt does it matter ?
Barely gm lol
11:44
Hikaru: "So I've beaten Gata Kamsky, I've beaten Alexei Shirov, I've beaten Boris Gelfand, I've beaten Evgeny Bareev, I've beaten Topalov, I've beaten Karpov, I've beaten Ivanchuk, I've beaten Kramnik, I've beaten Anand, and Garry I've never played a classical match against him so it doesn't count"
Also Hikaru: *c'mon that's not a flex*
Oh that's interesting why he didint mention that he was also crushed by them?. There is a funny video of Hikaru Being such a bad loser against Shirov :)
@@oscarb1369 why did he need to say that? Everyone knows that he can or problaly have lose to anyone of then. Here, him are talking about what he alredy have achieve. Not what he doent
Why are people overreacting, "He didn't say he lose to them so he's fleixng" or some sht. It's not even a big deal for someone to say that he doesn't need to mention every time he lose to somebody everytime he says he won against somebody. Stop putting meaning behind his words when it is not even objectively correct.
my god that was just a joke
are you sure that it was me who was overreacting? lol
@@gustavogoesgomes1863 Lol not you, it's someone else in this thread
I liked how he paused perfectly on 1971 when Bobby was soaring over everyone else and chat just freaked out and then he unpaused it and the graph immedietly took a u turn and plummeted and chat had a mental breakdown. Unintentonal, but hilarious
Wait the guy actually died at 69 tho, they weren't trolling 😂😂
He was 74
You have 69 likes
@@lukasantos6991 It's not clear if Petrov was born in february 1974 or february 1979, and he died on april 22, 1967
@@DGramusset so... He was born after he died I guess
bro the chat was fucking hilarious the ENTIRE time
never heard of this dude plays the petrov defense
GreekGodx cD he explained after like 5 seconds :Dd you even watched the video wtf
@@scooby6147 oh my god , u didnt get the meme, zoomer
@@scooby6147 ??
@@scooby6147 ???
@@scooby6147 bruh moment
I just love the fact that there is a chess grandmaster chopping it up with Twitch brainlets. The magic of the internet.
Cause chess isn't the most lucrative career and the twitch brainlets pay him 6 figures a year to interact with them.
Yeah, that's the point. In what era or what sport (aside e-sport) you could watch them daily, only few best in the world stream
It's crazy to see just how dominant Fischer was in his prime.
@Niranjan Rajesh Kasparov is the goat fuck you mean
@Castor Tarantino you know his rating went down because he quitted chess right?
@@lucaspratama8670 yeah he quit chess. He didn't face the next generation. That is why he ain't the goat
@Zypher what😂
@Zypher your comment was equivalent to saying goats are the greatest because they are the greatest of all time
Where’s moistcr1tikal? This video is a scam
*T H R O B B I N G*
moistrictical is above the chart, the camera would need to zoom out. Especially after the spike he had after winning against grandmaster XQC with only 6 moves
they never made wide enough lens' to capture his throbbing performance.
moistcr1tikal was rated 9999999999999 at his lowest. Everyone knew he was, and is the best player so they just ignore him. Beating a grandmaster in 6 moves is easy for him.
His talent was only discovered recently, they'd need to update the video
4:12 said no country ever
How about Poland?
@@ItachiUchiha11111 "oh, nice"?????
😂 - Austria actually welcomed them tho
Oohh nice
AOB no, they mostly didnt. Many Austrians wanted the German Unification, but not by getting invaded by the Reichswehr.
Bobby Fischer at ~2880: anyone wanting to play chess?
That wasn't a rise....it was a NASA moon launch. Unbelieveable, how do you do that?
Bobby Fischer to russians: actually not you I don't want to play any of you
He got discouraged playing chess because nobody can come close to his level
@@seraby7151 kasparov magnus
@@seraby7151 Nah he avoided everyone like Anand, Kasparov, Karpov
I love how at 9:00 Hikaru just casually slips in the “I beat him”
I was 10 years old, and only 2200.
:0.
'and not that good at chess'
I mean he’s not wrong. Compare this to 2700 and higher, huge gap
He's still good at chess lmao like 2000 higher than me so
:V
And that was two seconds after he said he wasn’t flexing
7:20 I love when Hikaru starts talking in circles like that. Feels like that one Broadcast fail "10 people died last night during a fire that killed 10 people during a fire last night"
Hikaru Nakamura? Repeating himself? Absurd...
best comment and most underrated comment on this video to be honest if i can be honest when im honest while being honest
by the house where he lived theres like theres a plaque and um theres a plaque stating that thats the house where he lives so i did go by and see the house where he lived in um in in riga
XQC lost in 6 moves for a reason
@@TarePandaHelp because hes a pepega, i didnt get coached by hikaru and am absolute trash at the game but i still saw moisty's move coming, xqc is a level 10 pepega, the special kind. Hikaru couldnt have done anything to redeem his lost brain
Bobby was basically like a Supergiant star lol, erupted in a supernova and vanished.
Kasparov’s longevity is crazy.
“Oh wait here come the Germans”
The polish viewers “ 👀😰”
I dont think that we were afraid of Germans. In fact, we did fighting them a lot lmao
@@zsamich he is just memeing,dont be too serious.Just like French soldiers were called "only good at running away" but people from france couldnt care less
*Ww2 nuke noises*
8:30
Bobby Fischer: *Ight imma head out while I'm still on top*
@Bryan Black this dude hollowed out his teeth cuz he believed that the soviets placed a microphone inside his mouth.
@@hyegol8081 Yeah, he went crazy, which is real sad.
@Bryan Black They will label anyone as "schizophrenic" or "crazy" whenever people question jewish influence. The media was dogging on him 24/7 so of course he was gonna bite back. He just realized the truth and decided to live abroad and not take part in the system. He was part jew ffs does that not give you a clue that maybe he had something important to say on the matter?
@@beandocks1380 exactly, people stopped thinking for themselves
fischertranscripts.com/ I don't know the validity or the safety of this website, so use with caution.
"I'm stupid sorry."
Ok Hikaru
james matthews America probably does deserve 9/11...we bomb everybody and arm some terrible organizations
laynebrock You’re an idiot.
ZeldashR he may be an idiot but he isnt wrong
@@naj4261 Yeah I mean, America as a nation, entirely deserved. The people in the towers? Probably didn't deserve it. But the whole "bombing everybody" and "arming terrible organisations" couldn't possibly be more accurate, apart from maybe with the slight addition to make it "bombing everybody with any oil that we want"
Duck Sargent I think the worst thing about the USA is that they always try to have or try to seem to have the moral highground in conflicts(example:cold war). A lot of people also seem to forget how the cold war was started by the USA by stopping west German reperations going to the Soviet Union and the Truman doctrine. The USA doesnt have its power because of the moral highground, but it does have the moral highground because of its power. Another thing that I dislike about the USA is propaganda, because its disguised. This is the difference between the Soviet Union and the USA, one didnt try to hide its ugly face.
I imagine the dip in morphies score was due to him getting bored with the game and playing less.
I MEAN towards the end of his career, he was playing blindfolded, with less pieces, and a 5 round deficit against the best players at the time! If anything, it was boredom.
I mean he was like 2600ish at 12 years old
He stopped playing at the peak. It just nosedived for some reason even tho he never played another game. Same with Fischer's
One dude continued his chess career to 69 year old, so he could have broken world records with how many years he was dominating as world best chess player, so it was stupid to him stop ches in his early 30s then.
Apparently he didn't even take chess that seriously, he was more interested in studying law. Plus there were no great players for Morphy to learn from, no engines, not a lot of books to learn theory etc. So his rise and peak, at least for me, is the best.
Interesting to see that there is many patterns where if the leader is on top clearly alone, his curve comes down.
And when there is new wave of players giving challenge, then the curves goes up in pairs.
For example Lasker goes on top and after dominating alone his curve comes down. But then emerges Capablanca and their curves shoots sky high together.
This shows how important the rivalry is for the overall level or peak.
No competition, no high score and vice versa.
“I was not that good at chess. I was ONLY 2200”
feels bad man
2200 in 5th grade...no big deal
@@euclid9492 FeelsBadMan* and also that was a joke. 2200 is really good
That was the exact comment I was going to make lol
Can’t wait for EA to buy Chess and ruin it.
chess was already ruined when hikky brought the streamers and toxic community into it
@@centralprocessingunit2564 at least it brings new players in
$3.99 for 1 pawn
@@centralprocessingunit2564 no ur the toxic community. Elitists that defend the game from everyone else are hurting the chess community more than some twitch streamers
@@centralprocessingunit2564 Ok Grandmaster Benjamin.
Hikaru: "I'm not flexing guys"
Also Hikaru: "I wasn't that good at chess when I was 10 years old, I was only 2200"
Me: -_-
The sudden drops are from them not playing. Morphy retired from chess when he was 21/22, and that's when he starts going down.
Do you even lose rating points if you stop for just a while?
Yes ?
You don't lose any rating points from stopping playing. But after a while your rating becomes deemed inactive and isn't used for any leaderboards. Any drop in rating that you see is because they were STILL playing not because they weren't. So alot of players played into their old age and dropped in rating because they were no longer at their peak. When the line disappears completely, it is because they became inactive or died. You don't lose rating from being inactive.
@@peterbedford449 not that kind of drop, I'm talking about people like fischer and morphy dropping. This chart doesn't take them off the board when they retire from chess.
@@peterbedford449
Bobby Ficher and Paul Morohy both were still so young and then their rank start to drop and then they just stop playing chess at so young age, when I wonder that, when they could brake world records with how long they dominated the 1st place in chess.
i like how the chat is in the perfect position to be annoying
12:15 "At ten I wasn't that good at chess, I was only 2200.."
Yeah he was so bad. Kappa
LMAO what a Flex.
At 10, I would bring home cool sticks and rocks at school in my bag.
“Who is this dude, I haven’t even heard of this dude”
*sad Petroff defence noises*
Gary on top for over 23 years. What a freak of nature run. Might say he’s the best ever in the modern era.
Edit: also, Alexander petrov was top ten for 40 years? Gosh.
Carlsen has been top for 10 years, so he could theoretically beat it if he eats his porridge. Although he'll have to stave off guys like Firouzja.
The thing is, because of how Gary stopped playing, he will always be on peoples mind.
@@dhirajpallin2572 but carlsen isn't as dominating as garry was in tournaments. Caruana has the possibility of surpassing him I think
@@lordspongebobofhousesquare1616 You have to take in to account that chess is more competitive than ever before, so its harder to stand out more when almost every chess strategy have been revealed, and its easier to get access to information you need to improve.
magnus is better than garry was and if you disagree you're wrong
Hey Naka: Average life expectancy was low during 1860's because child mortality was way higher than today.
More people lived to be over 100 in 1800s than today, by percentage.
i think i learned that in grade 8, and i mention that cuz u just gave me a throwback
Crazy how American people really have no general knowledge, even for chess players this good
@@poubcool you're acting like the mortality rate of children in the 1800s is general knowledge lol
Even if we only count people who lived to 18, average life expectancy today should be much higher since we don't have to deal with Polio, Cholera, etc.
Even in the chat of chess streamers you find “simp” every time a woman is mentioned and you fail to insult her... it’s a sad world we live in 😂
Lasker is so f**king underrated world no 1 for 25 years wow
"I'm not flexing or anything"
"I was only 2200 when I was 10"
Today is 4th of june 2023 Hikaru just hit number to again by winning a match in the norway chess tournament. Congratulations Hikaru
and now he really is officially going to be number two on fide (not just live ratings, which was what it was a few days ago) when the fide updates official ratings at the end of the month. Now he's won Norway chess 2023 and there's no other fide events that will affect the top rankings for the rest of the month.
@@x0cx102 that great to hear,
and yes he did it he won🎉🎉
8:31 Bobby Fisher:aight good night guys!
Other player: ok see you tomorrow!
𝙡𝙖𝙨𝙩 𝙤𝙛𝙛𝙡𝙞𝙣𝙚 47 𝙮𝙚𝙖𝙧𝙨 𝙖𝙜𝙤
He hasnt logged of for 47 years? Really dedicated
Must’ve forgot his password
@@jayure1346 or made an alt account to take over 21st century chess
Morphy was such a god. Sat comfortably above the next best player by hundreds of points, and quit the game because it was too easy. He went to a chess club once, with some very strong players, gave them all odds and still won most games. Way ahead of his time.
Yeah, seems like he was playing 20th century chess
According to Jeff Sonas the greatest gap was between "who is this guy" Steinitz and Henry Bird: 199 points. Then comes Fischer and Spassky, 146 points.
5:01 a moment of silence for my boy Semyon Alapin
"Here come the Germans, oh nice"
That's something noone in history ever said
👁️👄👁️
Idiot
Nice
Except Vichy France
Hikaru: He died at 69? you're trolling
Actual video: no-
I watched this when it came out, forgot about it, and now here I am years later watching Hikaru reacting to it
Where is PVC? The inventor of the Wooden Shield
They banned him because he’s negative skill in life :(
He's overqualified
Somehow Hikaru not knowing how life expectancies work is endearing.
Wait I think he was right, wasn't he?
@@Neonb88 no, he wasn't. Life expectancy was lower centuries ago mainly because of higher infant and general mortality which dragged down the average. Humans have always lived until their 80s, 90s, etc. just to a less frequent degree than today.
@@NippleOfOdin Well, you can't just go by the longest-lived people to compare eras. At some point you've got to include some sort of average age.
So, Nakamura was not that far of.
@@davidhoekstra4620 hikaru's pretty wrong in the fact that it wasn't uncommon in the 1800s for people to live well into their 60s and 70s. if you take away all of the deaths before 5 years old then the average age is quite close to ours.
@@jettaeschroff6924 If you take away all Jameis's Interceptions his QB rating would be close to Tom Brady's. That would be an atrocious distortion, however. In any case it would be reasonable for Hikaru to suppose that the life expectancy of someone in their 40's would be significantly lower in the 1800s than it is now.
Morphy was dominating the game at 12 years old, amazing.
Imagine appearing on any Top 10 list people upload on CZcams, pretty cool that we can watch Hikaru so casually
ye and you can say that about t10 in any other game, even those much more competitive than chess ?
Dude I watch the top 1 CZcamsr everyday
@@Wtahc idk chess is pretty damn compettitive
1. Thou Shant Lewd Kaori most competitive chess players play for their whole life and never get grandmaster, most chess players who do become grandmasters spend over 10 years trying to do so - overwatch was released less than 5 years ago and already had thousands of grandmasters. if chess was released less than 5 years ago like overwatch was you wouldn’t have any grandmasters. You don’t spend 6 hrs on 1 match in overwatch but you do for 1 game in chess (in competitive play). You can’t compare them really.
@@Wtahc "Much More Competitive" Its fucking chess the most competitive game in the world
3:35 or he is 226 years old, could be possible too
He was about to die at 69 then he said "nah I'll wait for 420"
"Imperialist Russian music"
Soviet Union, 1919-1991:
Stalin:
Lenin:
Trotsky:
Communism:
11:06 Vishy Sir op!!! ❤️
Our pride🙏🏻
The way Petrov is *really* Петров, but it easier to write Petrov or Petroff or something like that.
Correct. The Russian в is written differently in different languages.
This is so interesting. In Greek, we would write Petrov as Πέτροβ. Is Russian influenced by Greek?
William William Of course. The Cyrillic alphabet based on the Greek alphabet
@@tsunset I didn't know that. That's so interesting to me!
the letter в is v in Cyrillic alphabet but at the end of a word it sounds like and f. (grammar rule).
so most foreigners will read Petrov but if a Russian sees it he`ll know that v sounds like an f.
lolol "I don't even know the history of chess, what a Pepega." - Hikaru
1:25 : "now NA is kinda the best"
14:25 : He is the only NA player
LULW
I mean, Caruana and Wesley are on the list, but they're tough to categorize in this regard.
Libor Kundrát They’re not tough to categorize. Fabiano was born in Florida and now plays for the American Chess Federation (or whatever it’s called). Wesley immigrated to the U.S. and plays for the American Chess Federation. It’s just simple as that.
America won the olympiad. That makes them the best.
Hi Hikaru. If you look closer, during and after WWI, you will notice that Lasker and Capablanca broke 2800, as did Alekhine and Botvinnik before and after WWII. The dominance and quality of those players should not be forgotten.
Well,its not purely elo ranking
So their elo not really above 2800,this video use erm conversion,not pure elo based system
0:47, that jump, though lol
Lmao the French in the 18's were killing the game and then they just disappeared until 2010, 200 years of break lmao
Donation: When will xQc be on this list?
"He'll be here on this list by 2023"
me remembering the famous charlie x xQc tournament
The American civil war really messed with Paul Morphy's chess game
No he still planned to quit, the Civil War messed up his law practice.
4:39 that question made me laugh
Well, It's 2023
He's coming
von de Lasa gave us the von de lasa attack in games like the Bc4 - Ng5 attacking variants for White in opening like the Scotch Gambit. he was also important in helping finalize most of the rules of modern chess. You can read about him in Staunton's book "Chess Praxis"
Let's play chess!
Random USSR at 1960: " *OUR.. Chess* "
Scary how reliably people get knocked off the list once they hit their late 40's to early 50's.
If Fischer hadn't quit, he could've quite possibly dominated for a few more decades. Because he wasn't a product of his time, he was ahead of his time.
Kasparov also could've potentially continued to dominate, but he decided to quit while he was ahead and tried to pursue politics.
So it's not so much that they "got knocked off", rather they chose to retire. Although who knows, Fischer may've never retired if the politics had gone more smoothly for him.
Mid life crisis hits and the chess goes down hill lolol
The brain slows down... for example most of the greatest mathematicians make their best works before being 30 (not that there aren't plenty of people what achieved important results after that, but still...)
How is it scary that people retire?
The history behind Alexander McDonnell is pretty interesting, one of the best players early on in the video. He died young so never reached full potential but some of you may be familiar with the McDonnell gambit which he introduced against the then number 1 - La Bourdonnais.
He actually died during a match against Le Bourdonnais.
That was the video that got me into the game about 3 years ago. I was fascinated by it.
all the top players went slowly down the ratings while bobby fischer just disappeared . RIP
What a beast Bobby Fischer was. Beat everyone and stopped playing at 30. Wow
A pity he didn't face Karpov for the Championship match
A 1000 i think he would have win tho
@A 1000 even Karpov admitted he couldn't beat bobby
Stopped playing at 28
@A 1000 Lmao you make it sound like he left because he was scared or something, you know as well as I do he quit for different reasons. The soviet union was pumping out grandmasters with huge amounts of funding for their players, Fischer comes along and easily polishes them off left and right. And yes he was a real champion.
Just Hikaru stuff: "because in 1997 I was only 10 years old, I wasn't too good at chess, I was only like, 2200"
I'm sure some already saw that well mostly .. but the first to pass the 2800 was Capablanca by feb-mar 1915 around 5:14 in the video
It’s crazy how Petrov was #1 at 16 then reached #2 again at 54
Just to explain the rising and falling of the curves: the Elo-System behaves more like a currency than an absolute rating.
So the distance to other players tells you more than the absolute value of their rating.
A falling curve *could* mean that everyone gets worse, however it is more likely, that everyone gets "more even". The elo rating is also proportional to the whole "population" of players. Because technically, every player *can* influence every other player (if you would play everyone vs everyone). I also think the graphs are drawn curvier than the ratings actually were, because if you stop playing, your rating does not decay (which is a big flaw in the FIDE rating pointed out numerous times). This is why you usually only rate "active" players (whatever that means in your context).
I agree. Going by the distance to other players of his era, Fisher was the best.
No way anybody could have gotten as many draws against him in a match as Caruna got against Magnus.
Just some information for everyone, even if some players reached 2800 in rating, it's not 2800 really. From 1910 to 2010, CMR (Chessmetrics) was used which has a different rating system and the inflation is much higher. As an example, the CMR rating gives Bobby Fischer a rating of almost 2900. In ELO, however, it's actually 2770~.
so the "elo" that is shown in the videdo is how inflated? by 100-ish ? for everyone ?
@@haakonhamer9122 I'm not completely sure, but I think it actually deflated instead of inflated the ratings. Also, you probably saw, for example, EDO/CMR. Abacaba probably calculated the average between the ratings before switching fully to CMR in 1920.
im pretty sure if you evaluate their games with computers they will be comparable to ims at best
Good, i was surprised that bobby fischer even got close to 2900, cuz im pretty sure that carlsen had the highest in history and he achieved 2882,
thankyou for this information.
@@baq8533 Fischer's chessmetrics was 2895, real elo of 2785, Kasparov's chessmetrics was 2889, real elo was 2851
“In 1997 I was only ten years old, I was not that good at chess, I was only 2200”
Ok, I see how it is (goes and cries in 800)
Reponses to Hikaru's questions/remarks:
1) People lived to be 60 in the 1850s, if they got through their childhood OK
2) What happened in the early 1900s: Lasker semi-retired from chess, hence his rating dropped
3) First player to cross 2800: Capablanca in 1915.
The other players to cross 2800: Lasker in 1916, Alekhine in 1928, Botvinnik in 1944, Fischer in 1966, Karpov in 1974, Korchnoi in 1978, Kasparov in 1982, maybe Ivanchuk in 1992 (not clear, he's scratching it), Anand in 1995, Kramnik in 1996, Topalov in 2006, Carlsen and Aronian in 2010, Caruana and Grischuk in 2014, Nakamura in 2015.
4) Largest gap: Morphy by 170 in 1857.
Other large gaps: Steinitz by 150 in 1873 and 1876, Capablanca by 110 in 1921, Botvinnik by 120 in 1946, Fischer by 130 in 1972.
Kasparov led the third rated player by 130 points in 1989, but #2 Karpov was only 30 points behind. Similarly, Lasker led the third rated player by 120 points in 1899 (spoiler: Tarrasch), Alekhine by 120 points in 1931 (spoiler: Capablanca), and Carlsen by 100 points in 2014 (spoiler: Aronian).
I love how the whole chat goes monkaW mode when Magnus Carlsen shows up in the chart
Lasker was to me the most impressive one, he joined the top 10 at age 20, was #1 for super long and was still in the top 10 when he was 70 years old
l love how all the players names either start or end with a V in the 90's
Watching this after Hikaru returns to world no. Two on 4th June 2023
4:13 POV
You're a 18 year old healthy man armed in the French-Belgian borders in the 40s
"I was not that good at chess at 10 years old, I was only 2200"
I like how he reacted and was kinda worried he will not be on the list even though he knows he is in the top 10
It must be the same feeling that I have when I watch "Titanic", always anxious if it will miss the iceberg this time.
11:01 It is 2023 now Hikaru.
Brasileiro sempre fica de olho, valeu Mequinho por ser nosso GM
Wow, 1971 Fischer was playing at a 2900 level before engines were invented to theorise the game... That's insane...
Hikaru surprised people living more than 60 yrs in the 1800s, meanwhile ISSAC NEWTON LIVING 84 years in 1600s, ABSOLUTE BOSS
0:26 I've never heard about this dude
"Sad petrov defense noises"
10:59 YOU lied to us :)
Interesting video and I'm glad Hikaru took the time to narrate his take. There's a few strange blips to take note of. Ignatz Kolisch sticks out as an anomaly - his chess is impressive. I remember examining his games some time ago and found them having a strikingly modern character.
Lasker, of course, is the odd ball. Fischer's "coffee house" assessment of him always bothered me as cynically biased, but in examining Lasker further - Fischer was essentially right. I put Lasker in the category of " very hard to defeat" rather than tactician, strategist, brilliancy genius, etc. He was all those things at one time or another, but his 'refuse to lose' attitude rises above all else. As a result, I have greater appreciation for him.
say what made kolisch's style "modern"? was he applying newer theory or something? was that also the reason why he wasn't on top for long?
@@TheRoniverseOfficial It's not something you can really put into words. Looking at Kolisch's style around the time of his rise, struck me as odd. You'll see what I mean if you sample some of them. Whether it was by accident or what, he was doing things that pre-dated Steinitz. Like I say, Ignatz Kolisch is a brief anomaly.
I love looking at thire names cuz they often have an opening named after them