The X-Men Were Originally In the MCU… and WANDA ERASED THEM!
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Erik Voss looks back at the early days of Marvel Studios to explain how Kevin Feige’s original vision was to have X-Men existing alongside the Avengers. Is the entire Marvel Cinematic Universe a “matrix” created by Wanda Maximoff and the Scarlet Witch after declaring, “No more mutants”?
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Frankly, I think that the character "The-One-Above-All" should simply just make His first appearance, wipe out (i.e. erase) everything and everyone from all existence, and then press the reset button on the OMNIVERSE itself - not the Multiverse.
Are you still doing the daredevil rewatch?
How do yall not know that Wanda and Pietro are NOT mutants and NOT children of Magneto? Its complete canon and has been for quite a while... read a comic book, gosh...
There is a KENOSHA ISLAND somewhere in MCU and Professor X is hiding them
There is Project Wide Awake in Wanda vision they can u mayo vision as a blueprint for the sentinels
Love Wanda, but isn't it WAY more likely that Kang was pruning mutants and the Richards family from the timeline until Sylvie killed him? Then all of a sudden mutants started popping up all over the place in the MCU.....
KAAAAAAANGGGGG!!!!!!!!! 👊🏾
They had/chose to abandon khang
I also love Wanda. I feel like Kang pruning mutants / F4, to make it less rough going against, would make so much more sense. Less to fight and hassle with especially mutants
@@microscopic.caterpill and I honestly think it would go a long way to make people more interested in the multiverse saga
I thought that's was the route they were going. Ryan must have theorized it
Imagine if they’d revealed something this ambitious and interesting in Multiverse of Madness! The MCU would be in a very different and healthier place right now, culturally and financially, if they had.
Yes. Exactly what I was thinking.
They pulled back their punch. Instead left the movie with feeling of fancy looking unhealthy fast food.
I think if we didn't have influencers putting their own thoughts and ideas into others heads it would be, too. I don't watch. influencers as much, anymore, and have completely enjoyed everything in the last few years.
I feel like they took some elements of MoM and probably moved them to Deadpool 3
They didn't have that punch I don't think. It just wasn't in them. Pulling back implies you were giving it a serious shot even, and I doubt it highly @@blobloblob1627
My pitch has always been to make the X-men and the Fantastic Four Time displaced (Quantum Realm) . Have the X-men be pulled from the 80’s and the fantastic four be pulled from the 60’s. This can EASILY justify authentic speech patterns, clothing styles, and most importantly the original Super suits and Origin Stories.
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X-Men should be pulled from the 90s
X-Men make the most sense also coming from the 60’s. They were created to be an unjustly persecuted “other” group which drew from the sorts of things happening during the civil rights era of the 60’s. You could probably set them modern day and draw parallels with rise of extreme right wing white nationalists, but setting it in the 90’s would be a fairly bad decade to have birthed the kind of civil rights struggle stories that have been a core part of marvel mutant story telling.
@@MrMarcJackson it's the best route
The fantastic 4 teaser poster just came out yesterday and it looks like you might be right. It seems very 60s ish.
I think Cap running into Logan during the war would beat his cameo in X-Men: Apocalypse as my favorite
It would have been epic to see Logan and Cap or Bucky fighting together in war
whose cameo in X-Men: Apocalypse?
@@lindseytaylor9960 Logan's when he escaped from the Weapon X facility
@@samuelburton302no that wasn’t x men apocalypse, wolverines cameo is in x men first class
@@lindseytaylor9960Wolverine cameo in x men first class
God, imagine if X-Men 97 ends with the team being sent into the MCU, and the official X-Men are the exact team we’ve been following our childhood…
Ngl this sounds amazing
This would be my first time screaming hella loud like a donkey if I seen that. Esp in the theatre ima let it all loose in the dark
@@microscopic.caterpillI need a good mcu movie that makes me jump out of my seat clapping/screaming. It’s been a while
Uhm no
been thinking this since Doctor Strange MoM when I seen Professor X "Wheels" roll up. The chair was similar to the cartoon
I had something similar except with kang. Having calculated that the mutants with them having to many abilities that could mess with his control of the timeline. He just cut them off as soon as the x gene starts to express itself. This being the reason why Deadpool and wolverine have shots involving the one place in Loki. As soon as they're timelines touched the multiverse they were wiped out. Ie. Deadpool time jumping and changing the past and days of future past
I really love this idea I wouldn't be mad if they went this direction
The House of M scenario may be too complex and would require a lot of films to ease the storyline to the current MCU timeline. I'd rather go with the Krakoa scenario, where mutants isolated themselves from the rest of the world, using their most powerful telepaths to wipe their existence from humankind. This scenario could also allow the inclusion of 'mutants' assisting humans during times of great distress, such as the Thanos conflict, while effectively keeping their existence a secret.
MCU is because of Moira
Ngl, Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.'s season 2 storyline with the Inhumans could've served as a great blueprint for mutants in the MCU if they'd be willing to go that route.
Existing this whole time, but we’re just hiding in plain sight. Perfection. 😙👌🏽
Prof x could easily do that
Inhumans are not mutants.🤷🏿♂️
@@johnsantos507yo mama!
@@johnsantos507no one said they were
No obviously Mephisto erased all mutants from the mcu.
No it was Bullseye
It was Agatha all along!
I love the theories, but this would be far too complex. If you think people complain about MCU storylines now, if Feige attempted this people would pan the film widely I think
What would you do? You must have something better since you know what the "fans" want.
It really wouldn't be that complicated, it's just a simple 1 minute clip in a movie with Wanda saying no more mutants.
It's not complicated for the real fans. Anyone devoted to the MCU could understand this. Maybe people just watching the X-Men movie might not get it, but with how good the rest of the movie should be, it won't matter
@@gabrielruiz219 a little aggressive there lol. I only meant that explaining that mutants have NOT existed in the timeline we've been following for decades and that they are now being introduced from another universe is far smoother of an explanation than "they were all here but Wanda erased them for some reason". That idea just seems like far more mental hoops for everyone to jump through. I wasn't trying to be edgy or provocative, just an opinion, my friend.
This is way too complicated. Kang pruning mutants and them returning via Loki would make far more sense.
what reason would he have to be pruning mutants tho
Because of how powerful they could become and the treat that that power could represent eventually. Just look at Franklin Richards.
There are many options that would simply "make sense", but going for something bigger and bolder that could actually work (like this) is something the MCU could desperately use, especially considering long-term goals.
I don't think Marvel will bring the MCU's X-Men into Secret Wars, they should use Fox's until Secret Wars and then the MCU mutants (X-Men) were all killed by Kang knowing how threatening they could be, after all he also killed The Avengers from another reality
@@redskyz4426 deadpool 3
Are we ignoring Mr Immortal, a mutant who has admittedly been alive for hundreds of years?
10:52 I want exactly that in a scarlet witch movie and at the end we come to present day to “ more mutants “
Since I'm simpleton, I am fine if they say that those in blip just happen to activate their mutant gene.
That's actually perfect
Most people watching these movies are simpletons but I feel Marvel is going to over complicate it. The MCU started very simple and added layers. Essentially after Endgame, instead of going back to basics and building again they tried to expand and "out wow" the previous Saga and now we're where we are....sorta lost and directionless. Majors stuff didn't help either.
Sticking with Kang makes the most sense, he likely had all mutants pruned as they weren't part of his plan.
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I’ve been saying for years that the MCU is a post-“No More Mutants” timeline
We've been in House of M/Decimation era this whole time????? I would like that actually cuz then it implies Krakoan orgies to rekindle the race 😭
I also like the idea that "TRASK" industries is just an anagram of "STARK" industries but was said to be not intentional based on what I've read.
No
More
THEORIES!!!!
I mean mutants 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
😂😂🤣
What mouth? I mean mutants 😭
When Marvel hire you, can I be your assistant?
Charles Xavier could have a similar role to play. Perhaps he's been covering for ALL the mutants since the 90's? Xmen 97 will tell us more, I'm certain of it.
Or something terrible happened to them (similar to Logan) and only Xavier, Logan and maybe Magneto are alive.
@@DragunovWayne Maybe they're stuck in Krakoa? In fact, Krakoa might be a good first film antagonist.
@@TalonSilvercloud Maybe, I hope so too but I believe that Sinister should be the X-Men's first villain
Scarlet Witch, Doctor Strange, Professor Marvel, Deadpool, Loki, and the Sinister Six are going to reunify all of Marvel.
This makes a lot of sense! You don’t have to give all the details to the audience but more interested fans could piece these hints together!
Mephisto's fault that's why there is no mutant in MCU. 😂😂
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This is a ✋🏽_____stretch ______🤚🏽
it would have been a nice little detail for cap to see logan and his brother during the war
Until Loki, Stark was the last being to decide who lives and who is dusted in the MCU.
Been saying this for years. “No more mutants”
Damn, I just realized something. If they go in this direction, they can easily work Sentry's origin into this story.
Hey Wanda, LEAVE THE X-MEN ALONE!!!!! lol
What we are watching now might be implied as the Multiverse Saga, but im convinced the current saga is actually the Mutant Saga.
That would be cool to do a movie that set them up to disappear set in the past, and then they come back
I LOVE IT!!! I hope Kevin sees this and implements it AND pays you!
I love this idea guys! I hope Fiege is taking notes😂
This is literally what I wished where the mcu was at when it started🥺
I love Wanda!!!!
You guys put more thought into this than the actual writers
I was really hoping they would do this! From day one!!!
They did not use “mutant” for Kamala Khan. They said, “a mutation”. Yes, they played the classic X-men theme song in the back, but marvel is very specific with their words and Symantics. Namor was (rightfully, and canonically) titled as “the first mutant” in the MCU.
Namor is a Mutant but doesn't have mutant gene or x gene.
Well it seemed like he was created by something else than an x gene for how. I think it’s just hyping up audiences to keep them in anticipation but we don’t have any mutants yet.
I’m so glad you brought up the longer lifespan idea to fit in Magneto’s holocaust backstory. I’ve been thinking for weeks how to rectify that issue.
14:41 I know there's a lot of holes you can poke in it.. go for it 🤣😭👌
Elizabeth Olsen did reference the No More Mutants story while promoting WandaVision, so this could be part of Kevin Feige's plan...
I always thought Project Exodus was gonna be the key, that they all left Earth or something
You're almost single handedly keeping me interested in Marvel with the theories
Ohhh Stark creating Sentinels is cooolll
This really makes sense all around
That would actually explain how stark made that suit…..IN A CAVE…..WITH SCRAPS!!
Love it! Good ideas that bring in the comic universe continuity.
This would be AMAZING
10:24 could explain why we see the Cerebro door in Loki season 2
Bruhhhh this was wild ride of a video but I kept up with you thanks for the explanation dope asf as always
Sooo there were 2 separate actresses plying kitty pryde according to that scene where logan walks into prof x's office
Recasting happens all the time. Hulk? Rodey?
It honestly could work if they choose to go in this way following recent events and also it could be a nice reference to the House of M.
No more Mutants-Wanda
They could open up with house of M after a Scarlet Witch sequal.
it would be great if this is how they played it out but i think to a casual viewer it would take way too much explanation and they don't want to lose audience by having something too convoluted.
Actually, on your belief of mutants possibly living longer - it was revealed in a couple comics that Magneto has a special connection to the Earth because of its geomagntic field which allows him to age slower and live longer. His daughter, Polaris/Lorna Dana, has the same ability. It would be a good idea to adapt this part of his powers to explain his long life, connect him to his comic book past without erasing it completely, and possibly his relationship to Wanda and Pietro. Like his wife could have found this out and left him. Maybe the death of Anya and his reaction to it? I don't know. I just really like the idea of Wanda and Pietro being Magneto's children. (Also, why did Marvel make them sign up for their experimentation with Hyrda. I hope it is revealed it is a lie and they were kidnapped or tricked because it does not seem right.)
I just realized all the phase 1 movies stand out because they were made with paramount pictures
Honestly, Wanda being what creates, expands or conceals the mutant phenomenon (more specifically, the X-Gene) is quite unlikely considering the character is (currently) dead.
In fact, it’s seems more likely that the X-Men won’t be created in the Avengers Universe, what with its current deluge of characters to keep track of, and that the mutant phenomenon will only include a handful of individuals who possess some version of the X-Gene.
Instead, it’s likely the X-Men of this knew era will originate solely from another universe (either the Illuminati universe where the X-Gene and Inhuman gene are more prevalent).
I really hope Kevin doesn’t pull a multiverse thing to get the X men in
He is lol that's the entire plot of Deadpool
Wanda pulled a “no more mutants”
This is going to feel like a bad case of déjà vu we this is all over😭🤣
Love the idea!
It's just kind of force theories lol 😂😅
Hey, did you pull your back out reaching so far with this one?
14:30 so many of your ideas are exactly what i would love to see.
I actually love this Idea, and it would give us chances to revisit previous scenes with heavier content!
side note about magneto. i think they could make a younger magneto by having him the relative of a holocaust survivor who told him all about it. then when his powers are manifesting hydra takes him along with other mutants to experiment on. this would set up a very similar path for the character. it could even reinforce the "cyclical history" part
No. Nope. No. Magneto is a Holocaust survivor - full stop.
@@pathologicaldoubt ok heres my question to you. why does he have to be a holocaust survivor himself and specifically?
It would be like making Captain America set in the Iraq War. Both characters core character/arcs are tied to World War 2 and the Nazi's/Holocaust so removing this from their story would actually take away what made these characters unique/special....and insult the original creators by stripping them of a very powerful message about the horrors of the Nazi regime.
@@ether4211 so do you think the holocaust is the only example of mass oppression to ever exist? do you think that with out being tied to the nazi and WW2 that magneto as a character isnt important or interesting? do you think that as magnetos character ages as time passes since the holocaust that the msging behind the character and talking about the mass atrocities are less important?
like i said there are ways to still tie it back to the holocaust and atrocities while allowing the character to advance with time rather than having it "age out of existence"
Nah, it has to be the same thing. At best, he could be a survivor of another conflict, Sokovian, Kosovo. Something like that. But no BS like being told about the holocaust. :D That’s just stupid. The fans would obliterate that.
Or, remember Onslaught? And Heroes Reborn? Maybe that happened "offscreen" after Days of Future Past and that's what split the Fox X-Men timeline from the MCU ("Heroes Reborn" timeline), and the Fox X-Men timeline has just continued to exist. That would make the 'convergence' event that's coming more believable. Either way, having all of them together (X-Men and Avengers) and then splitting and having no memories of each other is a cool concept.
This is actually insane. Love it
In my head cannon, the Fox movies can exist with the MCU. The events of First Class, X1 and X3, which would have made world-wide news (not so much for the events of X2, 2009 Wolverine and 2013 Wolverine), could have been erased from the minds of humanity by Professor X using Cerebro as a way to protect mutants from humanity. As he said in X1: "Anonymity is a mutant's first chance against the world's hostilities" and he is not above erasing minds as he did with Moira in First Class to protect their anonymity.
4:22 what movie is that from??
Ive said for a long time they should treat the MCU as the heros reborn universe and the world in deadpool is the regular universe and tell the Onslaught story in reverse. Which would explain the helicarrier in the first film.
What about Namor? Doesn't look like he ever lost his powers.
White vision killed himself. It was his objective to kill Wanda, and vision. So I believe after he remembered he is the true vision, he flew into the sun
lol please stop
Yeah I saw that YT short too. It's a very lame and non lucrative "explanation".
Well what if they do something post Secret Wars similar to the rebirth series that took place after Onslaught?
Okay so if Wanda is now gone, and mutants will come back, where do the mutants from Agents of Shield fit? Like that place where kid mutants were kept to grow & activate their mutant gene ?
Just give us a House of M prequel somewhere and I'll forgive it
I feel like since we have Loki from the past as the “Cosmic Tree” he may have knowledge of mutants being pre Avengers 2 Loki, and with replacing the loom he brought mutants back not knowing that they even where gone……and bring them bacc……Loki has always been the key to mutants
Would be awesome if they go this route.
with them stepping away from Kang, this would be a great way to introduce them and make Wanda relevant again.
I've been watching this it made me think what if the secret wars movies coming out are the actual Civil War between Avengers and X men and we do like a flashback movie of some sort probably won't happen but that's the first thing I thought of
That was a really good idea
With the coming Thunderbolts movie, we are getting Sentry, who, like Peter Parker, was erased from everyone's memories. There will be a precedent.
good job
MCU uses Occam’s Razor for everything, the easiest explanation is He who remains being gone.
Did I just see Chris Evans during the Tony funeral for a second???!
The one good thing about the MCU not having X-Men is that it gave us Gardian of The Galaxy I don't think we would have got it id they had the X- Men
@newrockstars BIG Question for you. He Who Remains would he had know about them? If so would he stop Wanda from doing that? What is your answer to it?
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I just… as the MCU goes on I have a sneaking suspicion that they have not thought it through to this extent whatsoever
Reach for the stars lol
Scarlet witch is such a powerfull and interesting caracter that wasn't well exploited in my opinion in the MCU (even with the serie and Multiverse of Madness), but if this theorie is true, i think it could give a great boost to the multiverse sage and give the importance the caracter of Wanda deserve.
it would be nice if the president was giving a speech on the threats of the planet and then suddenly everyone’s eyes go red and he continues on with the speech, including the word “mutant”
Wolverine serving with Captain America in WWII isn't something to just ignore
nope he who remains did that.. he removes stuff that is so chaotic like mutants and inhumans
How’s that more chaotic than Avengers, Ultron, Namor,… the freaking holocaust?
“No more mutants”
10:23 that's a nice story grandpa