That's referred to as addiction-the hope of winning. And when you do win, you're rewarded with a surge of positive emotions. That's the nature of addiction!
As a commander for a casual clan in the Skill community (BABN1): the Tour of Duty update is going against everything we tried to build towards. Before April, my favorite answer when clan members asked about not being able to contribute to the clan for days or weeks was: “I'm not aiming to become anyone's second boss, take it easy and prioritize your health/family/job/yourself, if I give you an extended leave the clan will still be doing fine”. And now WG? What am I supposed to say? Going by the rules you want me to put in place, it would be: “You play everyday even under the surgeon's knife, I'm not giving anyone a leave and if you dare be AWOL for a week I'll kick you.” It's fortunate for us that we were able to upgrade all relevant clan building to tier X in the last 6 month, but a new 100-members clan with most players being active will now take approximately 3 years and a half (!) to get there, and that's without making any booster. It's pure madness! Also, small commander nitpick, but it's been grating to me everyday since the update: WG, how did you manage to mess up “sort by Industrial Resource” in the Personnel tab? If you want me to force players to play everyday, at least let me have my usual clan management tools to do it…
Same with my Clan (ACF). We advertise we are a laid back Clan that makes no demands on anyone. We platoon together and do Skirmishes sometimes (not often). I'm not changing anything and I doubt anyone in the Clan will leave because of this. I think all of us will reconsider our purchasing choices though.
sorry, others did before, some like @dezgamez even before the release. I hope MrSkill as one of the biggest CC on twitch and yt and as CR can reach out to them and help to bring WG "back on track". If WG wants more competitive gameplay, they need to make it more "succesful" for people who didn't care before. TopClans can and will select their staff and maintain their supremacy in CW. Newer clans just don't get the chance to rise to 1st division or even champions league. What do you think is the reason you mostly see the same names, sometimes in various set up, when you watch the finals on stream.
@@edelmann4388 Yeah Quinnetic (granted a smaller CC) has been banging on about this since it was first announced. He crunched the numbers and came to us in his clan and explained weeks before the update that WG were effectively removing Clan boosters. All of us in Quinnetic's community have been campaigning against this assassination of social clans since weeks before the update was released on every platform we could find. We certainly could have used the exposure of other larger CC's back then when we did make an impression on Discord and Reddit etc but there just were obviously not enough of us to shift WG on this. To be truthful it is a bit late now. We already have the new meta and they are not going to take it out. The best we can hope for now is an adjustment to the economy allowing us to buy more boosters. Quinnetic has been co-ordinating the opposition to this for months.
Yeah Quinnetic (granted a smaller CC) has been banging on about this since it was first announced. He crunched the numbers and came to us in his clan and explained weeks before the update that WG were effectively removing Clan boosters. All of us in Quinnetic's community have been campaigning against this assassination of social clans since weeks before the update was released on every platform we could find. We certainly could have used the exposure of other larger CC's back then when we did make an impression on Discord and Reddit etc but there just were obviously not enough of us to shift WG on this. To be truthful it is a bit late now. We already have the new meta and they are not going to take it out. The best we can hope for now is an adjustment to the economy allowing us to buy more boosters. Quinnetic has been co-ordinating the opposition to this for months
@@PlasticGangstaI think a CC with many follower like skill should start a petition including making a video about it. Otherwise we won't reach enought ppl.
The update has complete destroyed simple clans who were not involved in clan wars. When you complete the objective you need to manually claim the points, if you don't they are not awarded. Wargaming has completely destroyed this experience.
@marklocker8042 yeah it's shit they restricted it to tier 6-10 for first and 8-10 for 2nd and 3rd daily tasks. Totally shit on new players getting a boost
I am the Exec of a large (100 members and a waiting list) clan that is mostly a social thing. Don't get me wrong we platoon together all day everyday and since this diabolical update we have tried to engage even more but no amount of engagement will get us anywhere near where we were before WG cut us off at the legs. What pisses me off the most is if you look up the original article for the old Tour of Duty WG actually say that the social experience of clans is just as important as the game play and clan wars and activities. They literally designed the original ToD for those that have never been in a clan or do not have the time to play every day due to work or family commitments or those that are simply not good enough to participate in Clan wars etc. They actively encouraged us to create social clans and ewe did now they have literally assassinated social clans and made them pointless and irrelevant. Do not think partaking of Clan events will help we have started doing Skirms twice a week and they have been quite popular but that is 3 hours a couple of times a week (we couldn't do it any more often) we earnt about 0.75 of a single Level 10 booster each session. There are literally thousands of players in social clans. last year there were 12 of us went to Tankfest to meet up in person this year there is closer to 20 of us going including a couple flying in from the States. We all feel like the victims of a smash and grab by WG.
@@marklocker8042 u can do missions with tier 8s. and even if people dont have tier 10s.. its 100% sure they will have premium tier 8s. so no problem there....
Our clan basically started to disintegrate, people leaving and not giving a F. We were only in the clan to farm boosters and use them, most of us had access to activate them.
The clans were already dead before this, to begin with they buffed too much the paid tanks that were already there and the tanks that needed buffs were never buffed, they were nerfed and they never put the nerfs on, only the old players would notice the debuff they gave to them. many tanks
@@xrayban2 That depends if you and your platoon buddies play ok. If so, platoons are pretty cool because you dont have to play agains 29 players and you can at least count on two other players.
I feel you... I now either have to "reactivate" old friends or get myself a new clan... Because i want to be ho est: I want to have that carrot! Not because ita so good, but just because i have Progetto 65 and Lion too 😊
Last time I complained about the BZ and lootboxes on their stream I got chat bannned .. That was two years ago and I'm still chat banned ... For speaking out on something every youtuber was saying too. They are completely delusional and closed to any form of criticism from their player base.
Well they can ban us all and their chat will stop moving. I don't see a benefit from being able to see the chat, that stream is literally only for farming drops, so even if u get banned, if that is not your main source of fun and u watch content creators instead, its not big of a deal. I think banned users still get drops, unless I am wrong.
I just wished that you and a few friends could have a skirmish on a map of your choice without searching for players or joining a clan. This would give players a chance to have wargames of their own, and actually learn the maps and the best spots. Instead we have to learn on the job.
One thing that is clear. Skill, makes a living doing this, yet he says, complain, don't pay or don't play. This directly effects him in the long run. Honors for the honesty.
Skill has always been a man of morals, thats why i like him and still watch him even though i stopped playing years ago. He gives middle finger to WG if they mess up, he makes it clear if a new tank is worth paying for, and most importantly, this baboon is entertaining
@@lakesong7566 Same here, also stopped years ago, though for me it was other factors like the change in focus to corridor maps, heavy armour that need the 2 key to deal with, ever higher calibre bushwankers that destroyed a lot of creative gameplay etc that made me finally pack it in after having been a committed player from beta on. Amazing though that so many of us who stopped playing, for whatever reason, still follow Skill's vids even years after - says volumes about the guy imho
Skill is one if the less biased CC's for sure, although at times I think he is guilty of promoting loot boxes etc too much, but I accept he has to balance his opinion with what WG decodes is going to happen. Extra points for skill imo. He's one of only 3 CC's I will even watch now.
Same here, reducing my sessions to just ten a day, if I get angry during a bad session it won't be for that long and can play something else, the game is too unbalanced
A while ago I mentioned on a CZcams channel that War Gaming is doing the same thing that X Legend did with Grand Fantasia, just exploiting the money until the game closes.
As a clan leader and a player since 2012, the game has been "dying" for YEARS. But now i think its the true start of the death of WoT. It isnt making it in the landscape of current games, and they have killed off a lot of the reasons to play and over monetized the game. Shame WG.
You forget that they also took away tank blueprints which was a great addition for players researching new lines. It was 4 parts per month as far I remember.
sorry, CC and CR already got the topic on, some like @dezgamez even before the release. I feel Skill is "a little late" but this adds the bonus he can present the facts. The earlybirds only had expectations. Sadly this expectations came true.
It's been over 16 months since I stopped buying anything from this garbage company. They are theives, liars, and part of the cheating ring that they use to generate more revenue.
They have to many events going on same time, Star Trek, Onslaught, Battlepass any other special event and tour duty stuff. Most work all day or night. Then they want us to do full clan battles.
@Skill4ltu This change will not change the attitude of players towards clan battles. If you are a casual, you will remain a causal. If you don't have time to play, that's it; it wont change cause WG wants it. This will simply hurt WG more than actually help them.
You are right, but in my opinion probably Wargaming doesnt want to force people to play skirmishes, I think they just want to cut boosters because they want to make earning credits harder
i am a casual player and after the changes in tour of duty i first time had to play with clan members for tour of duty now i have to give more time since if i have completed my missions i have to support them until they complete it increases the time too much playing only for tour of duty and you have to play certain tanks because you need best tanks for support. now i stopped caring for tour of duty and totally abandoned it.
all we can do is what Skill says and leave comments to WoT videos released on CZcams or we become free to play and put no more money into the game, I was going to purchase something for my birthday but might not now and spend on something else, the game is a ridiculous grind as it is and now even harder for casual players
@@anthonydixon1282 People who become f2p won't last in the game. Even more so if they are used to being premium players. It is just not competitive. Which probably means: - Less premium players. - Less premium tanks sold. - Less extras sold. This is pure WG stupidity.
10:02 Because WG's data miners probably found that players who regularly play in platoons (a) spends more time playing WoT and (b) they spend more money on the game. Therefor, the logical fallacy of the marketing/monetization department is to force more people into platooing. It is a fallacy because correlation does not equal causation.
WoT is the only game I know so far that actually forces you to pay and grind more for less rewards as the game aged. Other games always try to give you more rewards for less grind as the game gets older to keep players staying.
actually they give so much free stuff and make grinds super easy. it took months to grind a t10, no with spending nothing i can open up a t10 by free fragments and 3x dailies in 6-7 days of casual play. i have 25 crew with zero skills waiting to be used... crew books etc...
@@rilakrilak5 I've been playing since 2013 and have been through so much events, changes, ... so I know what I'm talking about. Like how they gave us like 5k bonds (not sure iirc but it should be thoundsands more than the current reward) for the first sh, a premium with in 1 cycle of fl, ... I even got 20k+ gold and bought IS6, FCM simply from participating in events. Wg nowwaday gives out 1 free stuff (and it's usually trash) then takes back 9 other free stuffs they used to give us (or making it harder to get those) over the time.
Fellow old players here, and yes they are enforcing us player to grind more, play more, but with less reward. Often times, even those reward is disappointing.
@@rilakrilak5and that is the reason so many headless player in high tier, they don't know what to do after getting those tanks. I prefer old days grind, where I can enjoy the tank and try my best to win. Learning the role while grinding to higher tier.
I didnt played that many srkirmishes before this, now my clan told me that to have the credit boosters we had to play them, I didnt like the mode so now I dont make resources and the clan is no longer making boosters. We literally went to not being able to grind tier 9 and 10 because it doesnt make credits (unless is premium tank). Is sad to see the clan dying. They only thing we can do is complain and make it went back or change for the good. I hope wargaming will hear us.
They wanted to force Players to play in Clan-Platoon more often, but in the End they are making Casual-Clans almost useless for Solo-Players, who just joined a clan to get some Benefits...
I've been playing this game casually since i was 11 years old now i'm close to 23 , the last 2 years i ''quitted'' WoT and revisit the game once or twice per year just for the nostalgia. The amount of greed and simply not giving a flying fuck from WGs perspective about the playerbase to that point is simply disgusting ( broken tanks, map imbalance, introduction of battle pass, different premium accounts to squeeze every last penny from your players) now that tops everything RIP to casual clans and RIP to this game i really hope one day everything will change but for now there is no return its just not fun anymore.
I am voting with my wallet. I always…always buy loot boxes. This time I bought 0 and will continue to do so. Furthermore, I haven’t played anything but onslaught since the new ToD patch and that’s only because I need to finish the reward tank. I don’t know why, though since I am probably quitting if WG doesn’t reverse the ToD changes.
Our clan is bleeding with this change. We are producing almost no resources. As most of us are casual players we can't get enough resources to have one booster a week. And now members are complaining that it's turning into a drag doing your personal missions and clan missions on top of that. Wargaming undo this !!!
Our clan announced after a few days into the new system that at the end of the month anyone who had not contributed to the tour of duty resources would be demoted to reservist and not receive any of the benefits from the clan boosters and after two months be dropped from the clan. We have also noticed a huge increase in peoples frustration at the general difficulty of completing the missions. It often seems that the rng and poor matchmaking make it impossible. We are seeing an increase of the 1 to 15 matches.
Give it some time before clan commanders will be able to "buy" resources, either for gold or for real money. WG might even go as far as to offer some kind of "clan wallet" system where each clan member can "donate" real money into their clan.... Just like you can buy personal reserves already, you'll be able to buy clan reserves. Mark my words, give it 6 to max 18 months.
Honestly, this is spot on! I'm certain they have this in mind. It's just a matter of time. Whenever there are no lootboxes, there will be Clan Boxes in the store! And they come in big bundles, as well! Just pathetic!
Not sure why it's taken so long for one of the influential CCs to address this issue. The clans have been screaming since the update was implemented. The Carro tank is merely a distraction, a cheap trinket in place of the lost resources and boosters. Our NA clan was midway through researching the buildings for better reserves when this update dropped. It stopped us in our tracks and this previously growing clan will now likely die on the vine. I've barely played in the last month and won't be buying into any more BS loot boxes, largely due to this kick in the balls. A short-sighted move by WG who have once again proved tone deaf to the player base. These casual, non-competitive clans help to maintain interest in the game and feed the entire WoT ecosystem. It's rarely about playing together, it's just being part of something, socially, as part of a community. I am mystified why WG seem so intent on destroying their own game, unless of course, they believe they can make more money... and perhaps they can, in the short term.
Same problems here, we'e in middle of build-up process. Now it's game over. We don't give about a fck about this carrot-tank, but they killed our development completely.
Yeah Quinnetic (granted a smaller CC) has been banging on about this since it was first announced. He crunched the numbers and came to us in his clan and explained weeks before the update that WG were effectively removing Clan boosters. All of us in Quinnetic's community have been campaigning against this assassination of social clans since weeks before the update was released on every platform we could find. We certainly could have used the exposure of other larger CC's back then when we did make an impression on Discord and Reddit etc but there just were obviously not enough of us to shift WG on this. To be truthful it is a bit late now. We already have the new meta and they are not going to take it out. The best we can hope for now is an adjustment to the economy allowing us to buy more boosters. Quinnetic has been co-ordinating the opposition to this for months
I'm a commander of a small Clan and I basically have to close doors now.can't afford to make the boxes to keep the clan meats happy they're going to go wandering looking for greener pastures
I was in the NA clan with Daki which was my old top clan wars clan but after this change they disbanded it. I have not played even one game since they did this change.
The new clan mission thing is so annoying, u are forced to play platoon on T8 or higher, forced to play the clan battles and u have to perform in it as well, u have to it daily and the reward is not even automatically claimimg, WG wants clan players to make the game the full time job, I could not care less about the stupid missions
Forcing you to lose silver trying to do those missions and then play more games to recover the silver you lost. Less boosters mean more and more time lost playing this shitty game. Or pay up to get ahead.
Let's be objective, they could have always started by making skirmishes available all day long instead of only in evening if they wanted players to do more skirms. Real reason is to make players grind even more
I stopped spending money on the game years ago just due to the terrible MM. My clan members are getting very angry and pissing everyone off. People are just reducing gaming time more and more…it’s like WG wants people to stop playing. First time in 11 years of playing I can’t make progress in the game
We only have 3-4 active players these days and they play maybe an hour or so a day most days, maybe more on a Friday/Saturday night. We have never had the best players, we do it more as a social thing, most of us know each other in real life through work etc. On the weekend we have a few drinks and play for a laugh or 2. I think the biggest problem and the reason most of our clan don't play much or at all anymore is because the in game achievements are too hard. Most normal average players know they will never get a 279e or 260. Most wont finish the latest clan mission to get the Caro, hell most can't finish the Battle Pass let alone the missions that come up from time to time to get a tank free. Maybe if WG stopped setting the requirements based on the best players and looked more at some of the average players things would change.
Agree Skill, these TOD changes has already destroyed the clan I am in. Our leader thinks that we can make almost the same resources as before if everyone just grind the TOD missions hard enough, and he is getting angry at us more casual players and lone wolfs that always contribute in skirmishes but like to play alone in regular battles most of the time.
I know it's useless because he won't be swayed, but any player with barely a pulse was generating at least ~27k a month before the update. Now the extremely active players could generate up to ~20k a month, but from experience (and seeing what Skill showed in the SKIL1 clan) you'll realistically get fewer that 5 players at that level in a non-competitive clan, the new normal for a very active player is >5k.
First off thanks Skill for addressing the issue Im a daily player and have played 12 years,i played in several clans,and i always finished TOD in 3 or 4 days of playing solo randoms ,and Did My part to help clan run boosters,Now when this change in TOD was implemented,i was in BABN3 in NA ,i was raised to carry my own weight,or dont complain so since i dont platoon,i left the clan ,the writing on the wall is clear,Clans cant make it without platoons anymore,and ill never be Dead Wieght so i left clan ,and the only way i play is Solo random,WG took my freedom to play this game My Way ,,,so Screw You WG ,...if this gets fixed id love to be in clan again,but on my terms not WG's
We keep getting things we never asked for... or even were against. Yet we don't get any of the things we keep asking for. New bloody maps... What the Hell are they thinking? Moving crews from tank to tank now costs a fortune. There are about 50 active players left in my clan but most of the time there are only 2 or 3 of us on at the same time. We might be grinding new tanks or doing missions so we just don't have time to platoon to do those missions that were basically being done just by plaing in the past. Don't they realize that they are the ones killing the game?
My theory: clan boosters make it possible to play for free and maintain a decent credit flow. They think they can squeeze us to buy premium time, when in actuality, I've stopped buying premium because they piss me off too often to feel they deserve my financial commitment .
Glad you spoke up skill. As you know I argued about the new ToD very strongly to WG in various chats but struggled to get any sort of reaction on how bad it was for the player base. I've been a champion of fighting back on these changes on reddit too. Whilst I understand WG wanting clans to play together, the punishment on everyone is too harsh. Hopefully with your reach as a CR we might actually be heard finally. Appreciate you making this video 😎
Yeah Quinnetic (granted a smaller CC) has been banging on about this since it was first announced. He crunched the numbers and came to us in his clan and explained weeks before the update that WG were effectively removing Clan boosters. All of us in Quinnetic's community have been campaigning against this assassination of social clans since weeks before the update was released on every platform we could find. We certainly could have used the exposure of other larger CC's back then when we did make an impression on Discord and Reddit etc but there just were obviously not enough of us to shift WG on this. To be truthful it is a bit late now. We already have the new meta and they are not going to take it out. The best we can hope for now is an adjustment to the economy allowing us to buy more boosters. Quinnetic has been co-ordinating the opposition to this for months 🤣😂🤣
As a member of a small clan (about 6 active players) I'm glad I no longer financially support the game. It's not like they've done any one huge thing that ruins the game for me, rather an endless stream of little back stabs that each one makes the game a bit shittier.
I wish you good “luck”, because the journey will be unfairly harsh to you. What should have been months of work to get your clan going just turned into years with that upgrade.
We have 100 players on EU and 40 on NA and it's a complete booster famine. NA is worse as we were growing the clan and researching the buildings when this happened. No point in researching now anyway as the boosters at the higher levels consume more resources, which we can't afford. This primarily social clan may survive on EU but NA will now likely just fade away.
@@OrdinaryWorld NA feels fun if you are good, I switched over to EU after grinding for Jagdpanzer E100. I'm still a noob but not terrible and just wanted a simpler experience with the amount of people in EU.
I used to be hardcore Wot player 30+ hrs per week & a clan commander on AUS server but WG changes have driven me away from the game: WoT Plus monthly membership, BZ176’s whenever I played a Tier 7 heavy, more hulldown stagnant battles, Onslaught at Tier 10 & seal clubbing whenever I played low tiers especially with my young sons, Tier 5 & 6 artillery completely overpowered, Tier 8 gameplay when grinding stock tanks & being MMed vs Skoda T56, Renegade or BZ176 or ELC 90 spotting when playing mediums. The message is clear now, play another game! So I finally took their advice & stopped.
World of Warships 2.0, this has been implemented in there for over a few patches now. WG has gated a few resource income possibilities by forcing divisions or platoons on players.
Was playing World of Tanks since 2012, the last straw that broke the camel's back for me was tier 9 premiums and when the STRV K came out, I quit right there and never looked back ever since. Not surprised they still are fucking over players every chance they get.
Boxes were always meant to be a resource to play with the clan and up until this change, there was no point to play skirmishes because everyone could get enough boxes to run boosters 24/7. Now they remade the change that the boxes are relevant again in the clan scene. I don't see the problem with incentivising players to participate in clan battles. The problem is that those clan battles are practically unplayable without premium tanks. In tier 8 skirmishes there is only 5 or 6 competitve tanks, all of them are premium. Tier 6 is only M6 and in tier 10 you can not make profit. Give skirmishes a try and you will see what the main problem is with the clan teamplay. So at the end of the day the fact that you get less boosters is not the main problem. The main problem is the way to get more boosters is completely unfair because those paying for better tanks get to make better team lineups and then they get the boosters as well.
I see ur point and agree, even though I would not consider the suitable tank selection that restricted. The Caernevron on tier 8 is quite OP for example. And the t34.85m and the vk3606 are holding their ground as well.
@@juanzulu1318 in tier 8 its usually obj 703 version II, skoda, borat for lights, maybe progetto and a couple of BZs. It's so boring that everyone brings this lineup. Back when tech tree tanks were good I was excited to get the new tier 6 or 8 and keep it for skirmishes, but now nothing changes.
Honestly this is a common theme arround the world... why dont people in charge understand that they cant force something out of nowhere...it needs work from their side to male clanactivities more attractive to players. But punishing 99% isnt the way
Thanks for speaking up about this. This issue was raised before the new clan resources gathering came into force by other CCs (one of them was @MaxGamingFPS), but if other bigger CCs lean on this then maybe, just maybe WG would make amends.
You are very right and accurate. İn addition they can make for option for that only tech tree battles or both, its not fun to play against Bzzz team but tech tree battles those are fun and challenging.
@@melikeren3123it would be more better if they made it a mirror match. This would lean more on Skill and Strategy. That implement alone could make Clan battles live up to it's name. "Clan Wars".
But you know that the CW meta mainly consists of Techtree tanks these days, such as the IS-7 and 60TP. However, we do need restrictions for tanks that aren't picked in battles. The reason why no one is playing CW anymore is because WG drastically shortened the rewards, making it not worth investing the time.
To be successful in Skirmishes, you must consistently use "gold ammo" due to the presence of these frustrating BZs and other tanks. If you opt for premium ammunition and consumables, it's essential to have boosters active to earn some silver. Alternatively, just keep winning, haha. Once again, it leans more towards pay-to-win and favors players who already possess top-notch tanks and crews.
I’m slow but I know math. I’m a casual player and the details have been registering with me. Thanks for summing it up. WG’g really don’t give enough scrutiny on there new ideas until they get an uprising. Someone needs to be fired for their idiotic ideas
Yea, its crazy that this change actually made it in the game. In my old Clan people even got kicked out because they didnt want to play those Skirmishes or advances to maintain the income of the boxes.
Almost like if you don’t play the clan modes then why should you get the clan rewards. If you want to be in a casual clan fine just don’t expect to be handed free stuff for just existing
Tx for bringing this up, I am saying this ever since they stupidly changed the system! And remember while before you got boxes for the clan while playing any tier, now you have to play tier 8 and up to get all the daily benefits.
Didn't realize the increased difficulty to obtain resources. I noticed you need to claim the reward to progress a few days ago when I played several clan platoon and didn't get the missions done.
WG is going to complete wrong directions. They will kill own game with those shitty decisions. They push noobs in high tier game play, they cut all development for clans under construction, they fuck up all players, who want not to play this game only in try hard competiton modes. Thank you Skill, for taking this problems serious, no other CC did this. ❤
As a clan commander with an almost full clan. Resource contribution per member is now a determining factor in recruitment, as well as during purging times... :(
When gamers will realise that they are playing in casino, shot - ground, next - not penetrated in paper tank, next - shot dissapears , they will undestand that skill and play hard go pro here not exist couse WG is deciding for you ( but most players will never realise that, and they will still play this kurwa tanks for angry emotions that WG casino gives you) forget to mention that wg never will tell you for secret nerf ot the tank but you feel that before tank was better then now. also win rate, 1 day i have 70-75% with purple wn8, next day i have 20-30% win rate with orange-yellow wn8, what ? one day i play better then other or what? or WG decidec to balance you for 50% ?? :))))
I'm solo player since the begining (11.2011). I don't mind that clans get extra rewards, but I mind, that I don't have enything extra for solo grind... Being part of clan seems mandatory for some rewards. For example, I can buy for bonds shit clan wars tanks, but I still can not buy 907...
This update was the death kiss for our clan. Before it was hard to motivate some players to play stronghold for earning the crates for the clan boosters but the 7 vs. 7 mode in stronghold and this update killed any interest to play stronghold for those players.
1- This change that WG introduced is completely and utterly unthought of, they basically nuked all the casual clans where players just gain resources by playing casually and making it harder to grind even if non-casual players want it too. 2- how the hell WG makes daily missions to be automatically redeemed upon completion and not the clan missions raises alot of question marks, like how hard is it to make it automatic?!?!?! 3- Last but not least, few days ago i heard about expirable boosters getting introduced, that another hit for players that are not playing daily. It seems like WG noticed that boosters are something that makes players life easier and less grindy, therefore they are cracking down on the boosters so hard that they are ruining it all to the whole player base, its very weird what they are doing to the boosters system, what exactly they are seeking or caused this decision to be taken is something that needs to be made aware of.
I didn't know you had to claim it manually so missed out on a few days, even now that I know I usually forget to do it. So after however long it's been since it started I have one step done. I hope it lasts for a couple years or there's no way I'll ever get that meh tank. Also went for one of the highest earners of boxes to almost nothing because I don't platoon.
I'm usually the last to suggest this, but we have to do something. And when I say "we", I mean the whole community. Small individual actions (like not buying a lotbox at Christmas) don't work. We've got to act, make a fucking revolution like War Thunder did in the past. It's the only real solution. We've been getting screwed for the last 5/6 years, and we're doing NOTHING except the regular "gnegne it's bad, idiot wg blablabla" and it's getting worse and worse with each passing year. We, as a community, have to take our responsibilities and make Wargaming shake so that it finally listens to us. Actions are worth a thousand words.
Hell yeah dude. I agree, it's the only solution left. We need to wake up and take joint action. Their bullshit has gone on long enough for us. Let's make it change!
And how would you propose to do that, if WG does not even have a feedback channel which they would read or listen to? Are you going to sue them with class action lawsuit? You would need some very expensive american lawyer for that and without credit boosters you have no money for that. 🙂
What to do? Talk to WG will not work, they have been sistematically ignoring the player base. Want WG to listen? STOP GIVING THEM MONEY, simple as this... And CCs could go a long way stopping to promote predatory monetization schemes with "open 200 lootboxes" vídeos...
its not so easy, when you are content creator you need to cover news, if i refuse to cover new tanks/ loot boxes, i can become irelevent fast, i do not have a choice here, if that make sense
Don’t forget to mention the drastic drop in IQ in the pre-midnight games… people literally playing like idiots to get their Damage and kill missions done ignoring objectives and teamwork. For those of us who play late at night due to having lives, this is a nightmare! Have to stay below tier 8 to have half decent games!
that has nothing to do with the missions in most cases since 30% of them is based on winning and not dmg and kills. But they did open up EU3 and 4 so the current meta is in pretty big flux right now compared to what it used to be.
I completely agree with you. I as a casual player who mantain premium subs, stop buying any boxes or prem tank 2 years ago because the horribble MM and constans nerf/buff tech tier tanks(technically almost always a wrong way in my opinion). Last year cancel the premium, and stop playing WOT in frebruary so finally WG achieved what it wanted. These clan modifications showed how full they are for the little man, they drive everyone towards the competitive game mode, which the casual gamer does not have time for.
Many clans exist just because casuals (like me) like being able to say "good evening all", like to chat between matches, or play a few matches with someone they met in their clan. Earning some rewards and getting boosters is the initial appeal, but it's the social aspect of a friendly clan that keeps people coming back. Removing the social appeal of an online game feels so inconceivably stupid it's hard to begin to understand what WG hoped to achieve.
Been playing wot for 8 years. Moved to wt 4 years ago and never looked backed. And after 4 years i can confidently say that was the best gaming choice i made😂
@@parhamghm Yes, still "looking back" when I stop playing a game I don't watch videos about it and I could care less what the title says. You're like an ex lover who needs to see who your ex is dating now. Don't worry your not alone just look through the posts and see all the other ex lovers who feel the need to tell everyone how they quit the game and moved on yet for some reason are still here posting about a game they hate....
It's not the first time WG takes inexplainable/stupid decisions: remember the HE rework: we just needed to restrain the number of arties par game, and they reinvented the wheel with huge developpements that only made derp guns strongly nerfed... And meanwhile, nothing is done to improve the MM for actually balanced teams. I fear they are step by step killing their own game...
Agreed. (and so, obvious 👍) I ever wrote something in last monthly WG videos (got some likes there), and I strongly consider to become a free to play player. First of all and obviously, no box (I stopped that 2years ago), not even for Xmas. No more premium tank (I stopped that 3 months after creating my account) I never took WOT+, because WG does not deserve to keep my credit card numbers in their files, and this would be necessary for an abonnement. I can just remove the premium account and the battle pass second lines... I consider to do it by now.
Great video on a sad topic. The Clan I am in always had the rules to promote/demote players on the level of contribution, not in a harsh way, but never the less. Since the change clan live "improved", the more active players do even more platoons and skirmishes than before. Even with this it is not sufficient to maintain the level of resources the clan had. Since we got the full level there was never a lack on resources. Now our Chieftain made the calculation and yes there is reason to think on resources. With one booster a day, only when lots of players are online (at least 15) and looking on the rate we earned resources since the change, in just over one year we are blank. Before the rule of 15 applied too, but boosters run in the double for multiple times. I feel the video misses some important details: before any battle in tank of tier 4+ counted to the ToD. Now you can only do the first daily in tier 4+. The second daily, the platoon mission has to be played in tier 8+. Before the change most missions had to be done or could be done with multiple missions like "do 10k damage in won battles". only some had been of single mission style like "get epic medal". Now you only have single mission requirements like kills or xp and to do them multiple times. This makes ToD even harder for the average or below average players I myself can't be that active lately, so in the past i made the ToD in the 2 weeks regularly with mostly playing 3 days a week solo for 2 hours each. Now I just contributed some boxes and just reached of stage 2 on Carrot road map.
wargaming is telling us to stop playing the game and we still dont understand the message
i stoped and dont miss a second of it.
Same man @@tibor1234
That's referred to as addiction-the hope of winning. And when you do win, you're rewarded with a surge of positive emotions. That's the nature of addiction!
Fuq Wot.
I understood it during last christmass when I stopped playing it after 11 years.
no wonder 80% of the playerbase hates WG
99%
@@CelereSMD😂 yeah, now
they don't hate them i loathe them
hates, nothing they can do except leave the game = player base drops = wg gets less money
@@CelereSMD 150%??
Wargaming never fails to disappoint. Gotta hand it to ´em.
Its almost like the Ubisoft and Microsoft situation.
As a commander for a casual clan in the Skill community (BABN1): the Tour of Duty update is going against everything we tried to build towards.
Before April, my favorite answer when clan members asked about not being able to contribute to the clan for days or weeks was: “I'm not aiming to become anyone's second boss, take it easy and prioritize your health/family/job/yourself, if I give you an extended leave the clan will still be doing fine”.
And now WG? What am I supposed to say? Going by the rules you want me to put in place, it would be: “You play everyday even under the surgeon's knife, I'm not giving anyone a leave and if you dare be AWOL for a week I'll kick you.”
It's fortunate for us that we were able to upgrade all relevant clan building to tier X in the last 6 month, but a new 100-members clan with most players being active will now take approximately 3 years and a half (!) to get there, and that's without making any booster. It's pure madness!
Also, small commander nitpick, but it's been grating to me everyday since the update: WG, how did you manage to mess up “sort by Industrial Resource” in the Personnel tab?
If you want me to force players to play everyday, at least let me have my usual clan management tools to do it…
hit me on discord mate!
my clan is dead now. we got merged with a bigger clan and even now wg is killing us.
Same with my Clan (ACF). We advertise we are a laid back Clan that makes no demands on anyone. We platoon together and do Skirmishes sometimes (not often). I'm not changing anything and I doubt anyone in the Clan will leave because of this. I think all of us will reconsider our purchasing choices though.
Finally a CC is doing a video about this. This is so important and need to be reworked. 🙏🙏🙏
sorry, others did before, some like @dezgamez even before the release. I hope MrSkill as one of the biggest CC on twitch and yt and as CR can reach out to them and help to bring WG "back on track".
If WG wants more competitive gameplay, they need to make it more "succesful" for people who didn't care before. TopClans can and will select their staff and maintain their supremacy in CW. Newer clans just don't get the chance to rise to 1st division or even champions league. What do you think is the reason you mostly see the same names, sometimes in various set up, when you watch the finals on stream.
@@edelmann4388 Yeah Quinnetic (granted a smaller CC) has been banging on about this since it was first announced. He crunched the numbers and came to us in his clan and explained weeks before the update that WG were effectively removing Clan boosters. All of us in Quinnetic's community have been campaigning against this assassination of social clans since weeks before the update was released on every platform we could find. We certainly could have used the exposure of other larger CC's back then when we did make an impression on Discord and Reddit etc but there just were obviously not enough of us to shift WG on this. To be truthful it is a bit late now. We already have the new meta and they are not going to take it out. The best we can hope for now is an adjustment to the economy allowing us to buy more boosters. Quinnetic has been co-ordinating the opposition to this for months.
Yeah Quinnetic (granted a smaller CC) has been banging on about this since it was first announced. He crunched the numbers and came to us in his clan and explained weeks before the update that WG were effectively removing Clan boosters. All of us in Quinnetic's community have been campaigning against this assassination of social clans since weeks before the update was released on every platform we could find. We certainly could have used the exposure of other larger CC's back then when we did make an impression on Discord and Reddit etc but there just were obviously not enough of us to shift WG on this. To be truthful it is a bit late now. We already have the new meta and they are not going to take it out. The best we can hope for now is an adjustment to the economy allowing us to buy more boosters. Quinnetic has been co-ordinating the opposition to this for months
@@PlasticGangstaI think a CC with many follower like skill should start a petition including making a video about it. Otherwise we won't reach enought ppl.
The update has complete destroyed simple clans who were not involved in clan wars. When you complete the objective you need to manually claim the points, if you don't they are not awarded. Wargaming has completely destroyed this experience.
A lot of our members don't have t10 tanks and are grinding their first lines, they have ne real chance of contributing anything.
@marklocker8042 yeah it's shit they restricted it to tier 6-10 for first and 8-10 for 2nd and 3rd daily tasks. Totally shit on new players getting a boost
I am the Exec of a large (100 members and a waiting list) clan that is mostly a social thing. Don't get me wrong we platoon together all day everyday and since this diabolical update we have tried to engage even more but no amount of engagement will get us anywhere near where we were before WG cut us off at the legs. What pisses me off the most is if you look up the original article for the old Tour of Duty WG actually say that the social experience of clans is just as important as the game play and clan wars and activities. They literally designed the original ToD for those that have never been in a clan or do not have the time to play every day due to work or family commitments or those that are simply not good enough to participate in Clan wars etc. They actively encouraged us to create social clans and ewe did now they have literally assassinated social clans and made them pointless and irrelevant. Do not think partaking of Clan events will help we have started doing Skirms twice a week and they have been quite popular but that is 3 hours a couple of times a week (we couldn't do it any more often) we earnt about 0.75 of a single Level 10 booster each session. There are literally thousands of players in social clans. last year there were 12 of us went to Tankfest to meet up in person this year there is closer to 20 of us going including a couple flying in from the States. We all feel like the victims of a smash and grab by WG.
My clan participation has gone from very active to almost zero
@@marklocker8042 u can do missions with tier 8s. and even if people dont have tier 10s.. its 100% sure they will have premium tier 8s. so no problem there....
Our clan basically started to disintegrate, people leaving and not giving a F. We were only in the clan to farm boosters and use them, most of us had access to activate them.
this is happening to us as well
The clans were already dead before this, to begin with they buffed too much the paid tanks that were already there and the tanks that needed buffs were never buffed, they were nerfed and they never put the nerfs on, only the old players would notice the debuff they gave to them. many tanks
You can't use the boosters farmed for the Clan in standard battles now. This is the worst part of this nonsense.
Forcing ppl play in platoon?Why?I play this game 99perc. time alone and i dont wanna play with nobody ..RIP...
Playing in platoons is a pain : waiting for the game to end, worse MM, maps and type of games you don’t want if you are not the platoon leader, etc
@@xrayban2 That depends if you and your platoon buddies play ok. If so, platoons are pretty cool because you dont have to play agains 29 players and you can at least count on two other players.
I love to play in platoons because on the Asia server the average teammate is about 1200kilometres below terrible.
I feel you...
I now either have to "reactivate" old friends or get myself a new clan...
Because i want to be ho est: I want to have that carrot! Not because ita so good, but just because i have Progetto 65 and Lion too 😊
Last time I complained about the BZ and lootboxes on their stream I got chat bannned .. That was two years ago and I'm still chat banned ... For speaking out on something every youtuber was saying too. They are completely delusional and closed to any form of criticism from their player base.
Their streamers don't give a FUG
the BZ didn't exist 2 years ago
Well they can ban us all and their chat will stop moving. I don't see a benefit from being able to see the chat, that stream is literally only for farming drops, so even if u get banned, if that is not your main source of fun and u watch content creators instead, its not big of a deal. I think banned users still get drops, unless I am wrong.
I got booted from their discord for harassment for linking a rigging replay. So yeah, you can't really bring anything up through those channels.
failgaming at work. yes. why u think they close the forum? no criticism allowed.
Been playing for 8 years, and this event made me realize how badly I needed a break. No plans to come back yet, and not missing it.
I just wished that you and a few friends could have a skirmish on a map of your choice without searching for players or joining a clan.
This would give players a chance to have wargames of their own, and actually learn the maps and the best spots. Instead we have to learn on the job.
I stopped playing WOT 9 months ago,after 5 years, i lost my patience with WOT BS.
Try WarThunder, GHPC or Steel Beasts there is way more to tanks than what WoT can ever represent.
@@Samimies but do they have tanks made of stalinium?
One thing that is clear. Skill, makes a living doing this, yet he says, complain, don't pay or don't play. This directly effects him in the long run. Honors for the honesty.
Skill has always been a man of morals, thats why i like him and still watch him even though i stopped playing years ago.
He gives middle finger to WG if they mess up, he makes it clear if a new tank is worth paying for, and most importantly, this baboon is entertaining
@@lakesong7566 Same here, also stopped years ago, though for me it was other factors like the change in focus to corridor maps, heavy armour that need the 2 key to deal with, ever higher calibre bushwankers that destroyed a lot of creative gameplay etc that made me finally pack it in after having been a committed player from beta on.
Amazing though that so many of us who stopped playing, for whatever reason, still follow Skill's vids even years after - says volumes about the guy imho
Skill is one if the less biased CC's for sure, although at times I think he is guilty of promoting loot boxes etc too much, but I accept he has to balance his opinion with what WG decodes is going to happen. Extra points for skill imo. He's one of only 3 CC's I will even watch now.
I've been playing this game less and less over the last few years because I'm often forced to think that if it makes me unhappy, why am I playing it.
Same here, reducing my sessions to just ten a day, if I get angry during a bad session it won't be for that long and can play something else, the game is too unbalanced
Same here. It’s not even funny.
A while ago I mentioned on a CZcams channel that War Gaming is doing the same thing that X Legend did with Grand Fantasia, just exploiting the money until the game closes.
As a clan leader and a player since 2012, the game has been "dying" for YEARS. But now i think its the true start of the death of WoT. It isnt making it in the landscape of current games, and they have killed off a lot of the reasons to play and over monetized the game. Shame WG.
i feel you mate, thats why we are talking about this problem, and we need wg to listen, we need to start talking
Total agree mate!
Greetings from Clan WHO active since 2014 and now dying....
Yes, my clan is dying too...
I started playing WoT in closed Beta 2011 and seeing what it became is so sad...
You forget that they also took away tank blueprints which was a great addition for players researching new lines. It was 4 parts per month as far I remember.
You can still get them from daily missions and most people have majority of the tech tree unlocked already or at least the ones worth going for
fair point brother
@@davidwaxter66whats your point?
They still take all of it away from players.
@@AntonKlermon they didnt, they moved them to daily missions instead of the boxes for activity that was there before.
You do not take into consideration new players, which should be the main aim here @@davidwaxter66
That's explain why my clan suddenly dead.
It feels like Wargaming actually means: War against Gaming. They just want to overload the players and get them to leave to have a nice life.
Nice take but you know they could just shutdown the servers.
@@fingerstyledojoI'd be happy tbh
@@Pawcio2115 yeah? I think you'll find other ways to satisfy your addiction if you can't let go on your own.
WG spat on our faces and 99% of the content creators didn't say anything 🤢
We should boycott WG.
are you ready? Start your boycott..............NOW
sorry, CC and CR already got the topic on, some like @dezgamez even before the release. I feel Skill is "a little late" but this adds the bonus he can present the facts. The earlybirds only had expectations. Sadly this expectations came true.
It's been over 16 months since I stopped buying anything from this garbage company. They are theives, liars, and part of the cheating ring that they use to generate more revenue.
@@edelmann4388 Your own comment makes it hard to understand how he is "a little late". Bit harsh?
i only buy megaman zero zx collection now i am happy
They have to many events going on same time, Star Trek, Onslaught, Battlepass any other special event and tour duty stuff. Most work all day or night. Then they want us to do full clan battles.
They are hungry
Dont u see how they listed all the premium tanks sales after sales in the last months
You have lors or options of what you want to play , you don't need to do everything.
Good timing. Summer is near by, so we can relax in the sun instead of playing this ...
@Skill4ltu This change will not change the attitude of players towards clan battles. If you are a casual, you will remain a causal. If you don't have time to play, that's it; it wont change cause WG wants it. This will simply hurt WG more than actually help them.
Stupidity can't be used to excuse them.
You are right, but in my opinion probably Wargaming doesnt want to force people to play skirmishes, I think they just want to cut boosters because they want to make earning credits harder
i am a casual player and after the changes in tour of duty i first time had to play with clan members for tour of duty now i have to give more time since if i have completed my missions i have to support them until they complete it increases the time too much playing only for tour of duty and you have to play certain tanks because you need best tanks for support. now i stopped caring for tour of duty and totally abandoned it.
all we can do is what Skill says and leave comments to WoT videos released on CZcams or we become free to play and put no more money into the game, I was going to purchase something for my birthday but might not now and spend on something else, the game is a ridiculous grind as it is and now even harder for casual players
@@anthonydixon1282 People who become f2p won't last in the game. Even more so if they are used to being premium players. It is just not competitive.
Which probably means:
- Less premium players.
- Less premium tanks sold.
- Less extras sold.
This is pure WG stupidity.
RIP credit booster clans... Sad
And blueprints...
@@Shaolink yeah exatly for me thats the big thing
@@ShaolinkI had no idea they had removed them 💀
They are removed?
Yet .@@ThePanEthiopian
There’s also a massive increase in the number of platoons at tiers 8-10. Which makes it more difficult for solo players to influence the game.
10:02 Because WG's data miners probably found that players who regularly play in platoons (a) spends more time playing WoT and (b) they spend more money on the game.
Therefor, the logical fallacy of the marketing/monetization department is to force more people into platooing. It is a fallacy because correlation does not equal causation.
WoT is the only game I know so far that actually forces you to pay and grind more for less rewards as the game aged. Other games always try to give you more rewards for less grind as the game gets older to keep players staying.
actually they give so much free stuff and make grinds super easy. it took months to grind a t10, no with spending nothing i can open up a t10 by free fragments and 3x dailies in 6-7 days of casual play. i have 25 crew with zero skills waiting to be used... crew books etc...
@@rilakrilak5 I've been playing since 2013 and have been through so much events, changes, ... so I know what I'm talking about. Like how they gave us like 5k bonds (not sure iirc but it should be thoundsands more than the current reward) for the first sh, a premium with in 1 cycle of fl, ... I even got 20k+ gold and bought IS6, FCM simply from participating in events. Wg nowwaday gives out 1 free stuff (and it's usually trash) then takes back 9 other free stuffs they used to give us (or making it harder to get those) over the time.
Fellow old players here, and yes they are enforcing us player to grind more, play more, but with less reward.
Often times, even those reward is disappointing.
@@rilakrilak5and that is the reason so many headless player in high tier, they don't know what to do after getting those tanks.
I prefer old days grind, where I can enjoy the tank and try my best to win. Learning the role while grinding to higher tier.
I didnt played that many srkirmishes before this, now my clan told me that to have the credit boosters we had to play them, I didnt like the mode so now I dont make resources and the clan is no longer making boosters. We literally went to not being able to grind tier 9 and 10 because it doesnt make credits (unless is premium tank). Is sad to see the clan dying. They only thing we can do is complain and make it went back or change for the good.
I hope wargaming will hear us.
im sorry mate
They wanted to force Players to play in Clan-Platoon more often, but in the End they are making Casual-Clans almost useless for Solo-Players, who just joined a clan to get some Benefits...
If you join a clan only for the benefits it offered, the system was bad.
I've been playing this game casually since i was 11 years old now i'm close to 23 , the last 2 years i ''quitted'' WoT and revisit the game once or twice per year just for the nostalgia.
The amount of greed and simply not giving a flying fuck from WGs perspective about the playerbase to that point is simply disgusting ( broken tanks, map imbalance, introduction of battle pass, different premium accounts to squeeze every last penny from your players) now that tops everything
RIP to casual clans and RIP to this game i really hope one day everything will change but for now there is no return its just not fun anymore.
I remember when you were ignorant and new to the game, and didn't shoot gold and still having fun and been usefull for the team...
the best part is even in champion/legend in onslaught you get people trolling in ebrs
supposed to be all skill to reach that point yet after people got to 2500 rating they just troll around
I am voting with my wallet. I always…always buy loot boxes. This time I bought 0 and will continue to do so. Furthermore, I haven’t played anything but onslaught since the new ToD patch and that’s only because I need to finish the reward tank. I don’t know why, though since I am probably quitting if WG doesn’t reverse the ToD changes.
Our clan is bleeding with this change. We are producing almost no resources. As most of us are casual players we can't get enough resources to have one booster a week. And now members are complaining that it's turning into a drag doing your personal missions and clan missions on top of that. Wargaming undo this !!!
Our clan announced after a few days into the new system that at the end of the month anyone who had not contributed to the tour of duty resources would be demoted to reservist and not receive any of the benefits from the clan boosters and after two months be dropped from the clan. We have also noticed a huge increase in peoples frustration at the general difficulty of completing the missions. It often seems that the rng and poor matchmaking make it impossible. We are seeing an increase of the 1 to 15 matches.
Holy bananas how dramatic those ending credits are! Feeling is like in funeral.
Give it some time before clan commanders will be able to "buy" resources, either for gold or for real money. WG might even go as far as to offer some kind of "clan wallet" system where each clan member can "donate" real money into their clan.... Just like you can buy personal reserves already, you'll be able to buy clan reserves. Mark my words, give it 6 to max 18 months.
It would be less than 18 months
with WG disgusting sneeky apraoches it's not very far.
you are right, WG will look at anything that they can monetize
Honestly, this is spot on! I'm certain they have this in mind. It's just a matter of time. Whenever there are no lootboxes, there will be Clan Boxes in the store! And they come in big bundles, as well! Just pathetic!
they better not pull something out of their ass like that I swear
Not sure why it's taken so long for one of the influential CCs to address this issue. The clans have been screaming since the update was implemented. The Carro tank is merely a distraction, a cheap trinket in place of the lost resources and boosters. Our NA clan was midway through researching the buildings for better reserves when this update dropped. It stopped us in our tracks and this previously growing clan will now likely die on the vine. I've barely played in the last month and won't be buying into any more BS loot boxes, largely due to this kick in the balls. A short-sighted move by WG who have once again proved tone deaf to the player base. These casual, non-competitive clans help to maintain interest in the game and feed the entire WoT ecosystem. It's rarely about playing together, it's just being part of something, socially, as part of a community. I am mystified why WG seem so intent on destroying their own game, unless of course, they believe they can make more money... and perhaps they can, in the short term.
Same problems here, we'e in middle of build-up process. Now it's game over. We don't give about a fck about this carrot-tank, but they killed our development completely.
Yeah Quinnetic (granted a smaller CC) has been banging on about this since it was first announced. He crunched the numbers and came to us in his clan and explained weeks before the update that WG were effectively removing Clan boosters. All of us in Quinnetic's community have been campaigning against this assassination of social clans since weeks before the update was released on every platform we could find. We certainly could have used the exposure of other larger CC's back then when we did make an impression on Discord and Reddit etc but there just were obviously not enough of us to shift WG on this. To be truthful it is a bit late now. We already have the new meta and they are not going to take it out. The best we can hope for now is an adjustment to the economy allowing us to buy more boosters. Quinnetic has been co-ordinating the opposition to this for months
I'm a commander of a small Clan and I basically have to close doors now.can't afford to make the boxes to keep the clan meats happy they're going to go wandering looking for greener pastures
I was in the NA clan with Daki which was my old top clan wars clan but after this change they disbanded it. I have not played even one game since they did this change.
The sorting in the clan table does not even work properly... WG at it again
The new clan mission thing is so annoying, u are forced to play platoon on T8 or higher, forced to play the clan battles and u have to perform in it as well, u have to it daily and the reward is not even automatically claimimg, WG wants clan players to make the game the full time job, I could not care less about the stupid missions
Forcing you to lose silver trying to do those missions and then play more games to recover the silver you lost. Less boosters mean more and more time lost playing this shitty game. Or pay up to get ahead.
Let's be objective, they could have always started by making skirmishes available all day long instead of only in evening if they wanted players to do more skirms. Real reason is to make players grind even more
No the reason is that higher rated established clans do not want more clans to compete with.
100% Skill. Sad but true!
I stopped spending money on the game years ago just due to the terrible MM. My clan members are getting very angry and pissing everyone off. People are just reducing gaming time more and more…it’s like WG wants people to stop playing.
First time in 11 years of playing I can’t make progress in the game
But I'm the only dude in my clan, mostly cause I found it funny to be the only guy in the Pyongyang Freedom club
I am also the only one in my clan, just to get rid of those clan invitations. 😄
@@erikaverink8418 you can block them)
We only have 3-4 active players these days and they play maybe an hour or so a day most days, maybe more on a Friday/Saturday night. We have never had the best players, we do it more as a social thing, most of us know each other in real life through work etc. On the weekend we have a few drinks and play for a laugh or 2. I think the biggest problem and the reason most of our clan don't play much or at all anymore is because the in game achievements are too hard. Most normal average players know they will never get a 279e or 260. Most wont finish the latest clan mission to get the Caro, hell most can't finish the Battle Pass let alone the missions that come up from time to time to get a tank free. Maybe if WG stopped setting the requirements based on the best players and looked more at some of the average players things would change.
So true Skill, these changes are killing my clan. Very sad
Sounds like they're trying to eliminate the casual credit booster clans
Agree Skill, these TOD changes has already destroyed the clan I am in.
Our leader thinks that we can make almost the same resources as before if everyone just grind the TOD missions hard enough, and he is getting angry at us more casual players and lone wolfs that always contribute in skirmishes but like to play alone in regular battles most of the time.
I know it's useless because he won't be swayed, but any player with barely a pulse was generating at least ~27k a month before the update.
Now the extremely active players could generate up to ~20k a month, but from experience (and seeing what Skill showed in the SKIL1 clan) you'll realistically get fewer that 5 players at that level in a non-competitive clan, the new normal for a very active player is >5k.
for some stupid reason WG think that most of the player base is hardcore try hard players ..... rip casual clans indeed :(
First off thanks Skill for addressing the issue
Im a daily player and have played 12 years,i played in several clans,and i always finished TOD in 3 or 4 days of playing solo randoms ,and Did My part to help clan run boosters,Now when this change in TOD was implemented,i was in BABN3 in NA ,i was raised to carry my own weight,or dont complain so since i dont platoon,i left the clan ,the writing on the wall is clear,Clans cant make it without platoons anymore,and ill never be Dead Wieght so i left clan ,and the only way i play is Solo random,WG took my freedom to play this game My Way ,,,so Screw You WG ,...if this gets fixed id love to be in clan again,but on my terms not WG's
We keep getting things we never asked for... or even were against. Yet we don't get any of the things we keep asking for. New bloody maps... What the Hell are they thinking? Moving crews from tank to tank now costs a fortune. There are about 50 active players left in my clan but most of the time there are only 2 or 3 of us on at the same time. We might be grinding new tanks or doing missions so we just don't have time to platoon to do those missions that were basically being done just by plaing in the past. Don't they realize that they are the ones killing the game?
Dont worry you will be able to buy ressources with gold
My theory: clan boosters make it possible to play for free and maintain a decent credit flow. They think they can squeeze us to buy premium time, when in actuality, I've stopped buying premium because they piss me off too often to feel they deserve my financial commitment .
Glad you spoke up skill. As you know I argued about the new ToD very strongly to WG in various chats but struggled to get any sort of reaction on how bad it was for the player base. I've been a champion of fighting back on these changes on reddit too. Whilst I understand WG wanting clans to play together, the punishment on everyone is too harsh.
Hopefully with your reach as a CR we might actually be heard finally. Appreciate you making this video 😎
Yeah Quinnetic (granted a smaller CC) has been banging on about this since it was first announced. He crunched the numbers and came to us in his clan and explained weeks before the update that WG were effectively removing Clan boosters. All of us in Quinnetic's community have been campaigning against this assassination of social clans since weeks before the update was released on every platform we could find. We certainly could have used the exposure of other larger CC's back then when we did make an impression on Discord and Reddit etc but there just were obviously not enough of us to shift WG on this. To be truthful it is a bit late now. We already have the new meta and they are not going to take it out. The best we can hope for now is an adjustment to the economy allowing us to buy more boosters. Quinnetic has been co-ordinating the opposition to this for months 🤣😂🤣
As a member of a small clan (about 6 active players) I'm glad I no longer financially support the game. It's not like they've done any one huge thing that ruins the game for me, rather an endless stream of little back stabs that each one makes the game a bit shittier.
My clan is pretty new, its very hard to grind the boxes with only a handfull of people!
I wish you good “luck”, because the journey will be unfairly harsh to you.
What should have been months of work to get your clan going just turned into years with that upgrade.
We have 100 players on EU and 40 on NA and it's a complete booster famine. NA is worse as we were growing the clan and researching the buildings when this happened. No point in researching now anyway as the boosters at the higher levels consume more resources, which we can't afford. This primarily social clan may survive on EU but NA will now likely just fade away.
Oh, and that's good point actually
@@OrdinaryWorld NA feels fun if you are good, I switched over to EU after grinding for Jagdpanzer E100. I'm still a noob but not terrible and just wanted a simpler experience with the amount of people in EU.
It’s got me platooning with my son in onslaught who is in the same clan but I do feel for all those who don’t platoon.
I used to be hardcore Wot player 30+ hrs per week & a clan commander on AUS server but WG changes have driven me away from the game: WoT Plus monthly membership, BZ176’s whenever I played a Tier 7 heavy, more hulldown stagnant battles, Onslaught at Tier 10 & seal clubbing whenever I played low tiers especially with my young sons, Tier 5 & 6 artillery completely overpowered, Tier 8 gameplay when grinding stock tanks & being MMed vs Skoda T56, Renegade or BZ176 or ELC 90 spotting when playing mediums. The message is clear now, play another game! So I finally took their advice & stopped.
WOT is going downhill for a while now but the last months it felt like they really do everything to even accelerate that trend
World of Warships 2.0, this has been implemented in there for over a few patches now. WG has gated a few resource income possibilities by forcing divisions or platoons on players.
Thanks skill. Finally a cc has looked into this.
also to note that the skirmishes are horrible because of imba premium tanks
Specifically at T 8. Dominated by mega RNG BZ176
Thank you skill for taking the time to talk about this and voicing our concerns out for us to wargaming.
WG sow what Tarkov did and said " hold my bier "
Was playing World of Tanks since 2012, the last straw that broke the camel's back for me was tier 9 premiums and when the STRV K came out, I quit right there and never looked back ever since. Not surprised they still are fucking over players every chance they get.
I don't understand how I am seeing all of this and am still not able to finally quit.
WG is like an abusive girlfriend. It hurts and you know you will be happier somewhere else, but when it's good it feels SO good.
@@derekeaton4021 So true.
Boxes were always meant to be a resource to play with the clan and up until this change, there was no point to play skirmishes because everyone could get enough boxes to run boosters 24/7. Now they remade the change that the boxes are relevant again in the clan scene. I don't see the problem with incentivising players to participate in clan battles. The problem is that those clan battles are practically unplayable without premium tanks. In tier 8 skirmishes there is only 5 or 6 competitve tanks, all of them are premium. Tier 6 is only M6 and in tier 10 you can not make profit. Give skirmishes a try and you will see what the main problem is with the clan teamplay. So at the end of the day the fact that you get less boosters is not the main problem. The main problem is the way to get more boosters is completely unfair because those paying for better tanks get to make better team lineups and then they get the boosters as well.
Correct. This is just reinforcing the concept that if you want to do well and get more out of the game, you MUST put more real money into the game.
I see ur point and agree, even though I would not consider the suitable tank selection that restricted. The Caernevron on tier 8 is quite OP for example. And the t34.85m and the vk3606 are holding their ground as well.
@@juanzulu1318 in tier 8 its usually obj 703 version II, skoda, borat for lights, maybe progetto and a couple of BZs. It's so boring that everyone brings this lineup. Back when tech tree tanks were good I was excited to get the new tier 6 or 8 and keep it for skirmishes, but now nothing changes.
Honestly this is a common theme arround the world... why dont people in charge understand that they cant force something out of nowhere...it needs work from their side to male clanactivities more attractive to players. But punishing 99% isnt the way
Cutting production of credit boosters, increases the need to buy premium time, or buying credit/gold packages from WG Store. No surprise.
Thanks for speaking up about this. This issue was raised before the new clan resources gathering came into force by other CCs (one of them was @MaxGamingFPS), but if other bigger CCs lean on this then maybe, just maybe WG would make amends.
Make CW restricted to tech tree tanks only and you'll see better clan activity
You are very right and accurate. İn addition they can make for option for that only tech tree battles or both, its not fun to play against Bzzz team but tech tree battles those are fun and challenging.
@@melikeren3123it would be more better if they made it a mirror match. This would lean more on Skill and Strategy. That implement alone could make Clan battles live up to it's name. "Clan Wars".
@@unittool2098 that is also a good option for wg but they only care about whats in our wallet
But you know that the CW meta mainly consists of Techtree tanks these days, such as the IS-7 and 60TP. However, we do need restrictions for tanks that aren't picked in battles. The reason why no one is playing CW anymore is because WG drastically shortened the rewards, making it not worth investing the time.
@@chrimert1265 ı was talking about tier 8 cw its unplayable for casual players not fun
To be successful in Skirmishes, you must consistently use "gold ammo" due to the presence of these frustrating BZs and other tanks. If you opt for premium ammunition and consumables, it's essential to have boosters active to earn some silver. Alternatively, just keep winning, haha. Once again, it leans more towards pay-to-win and favors players who already possess top-notch tanks and crews.
I’m slow but I know math. I’m a casual player and the details have been registering with me. Thanks for summing it up. WG’g really don’t give enough scrutiny on there new ideas until they get an uprising. Someone needs to be fired for their idiotic ideas
Yea, its crazy that this change actually made it in the game. In my old Clan people even got kicked out because they didnt want to play those Skirmishes or advances to maintain the income of the boxes.
Almost like if you don’t play the clan modes then why should you get the clan rewards. If you want to be in a casual clan fine just don’t expect to be handed free stuff for just existing
Finally a CC that has talked about this. Shame of you others for not doing this already.
Some did, and very strongly in private to WG and on their twitch streams and on reddit etc.
Hey, but we got yet another type of box we can buy!
Thanks for the video Skill. I did not know this.
The end credits made me chuckle. Nice one skill!
I close my wallet more and more……..
Tx for bringing this up, I am saying this ever since they stupidly changed the system! And remember while before you got boxes for the clan while playing any tier, now you have to play tier 8 and up to get all the daily benefits.
We used to run daily bonuses/boosters at our peak player times. Now we cannot. We're doing a lot more platoons but it's not the same.
Didn't realize the increased difficulty to obtain resources. I noticed you need to claim the reward to progress a few days ago when I played several clan platoon and didn't get the missions done.
RIP credit booster clans... 😥😥😥
WG is going to complete wrong directions. They will kill own game with those shitty decisions. They push noobs in high tier game play, they cut all development for clans under construction, they fuck up all players, who want not to play this game only in try hard competiton modes. Thank you Skill, for taking this problems serious, no other CC did this. ❤
No one other's have a balls.
so true and if activate 2 boosters same time not doing it often so rare can activate anymore
thx for explain the things so clear, Skill !!
As a clan commander with an almost full clan. Resource contribution per member is now a determining factor in recruitment, as well as during purging times... :(
When gamers will realise that they are playing in casino, shot - ground, next - not penetrated in paper tank, next - shot dissapears , they will undestand that skill and play hard go pro here not exist couse WG is deciding for you ( but most players will never realise that, and they will still play this kurwa tanks for angry emotions that WG casino gives you) forget to mention that wg never will tell you for secret nerf ot the tank but you feel that before tank was better then now. also win rate, 1 day i have 70-75% with purple wn8, next day i have 20-30% win rate with orange-yellow wn8, what ? one day i play better then other or what? or WG decidec to balance you for 50% ?? :))))
I'm solo player since the begining (11.2011). I don't mind that clans get extra rewards, but I mind, that I don't have enything extra for solo grind... Being part of clan seems mandatory for some rewards. For example, I can buy for bonds shit clan wars tanks, but I still can not buy 907...
Bingo Skillz! My clan went from making 250k resources every 2 weeks to 25k. Hey wargaming… GFY!
This update was the death kiss for our clan. Before it was hard to motivate some players to play stronghold for earning the crates for the clan boosters but the 7 vs. 7 mode in stronghold and this update killed any interest to play stronghold for those players.
Was that a banana in the beginning?
Yeah, a wooden one.
A used one🤣
1- This change that WG introduced is completely and utterly unthought of, they basically nuked all the casual clans where players just gain resources by playing casually and making it harder to grind even if non-casual players want it too.
2- how the hell WG makes daily missions to be automatically redeemed upon completion and not the clan missions raises alot of question marks, like how hard is it to make it automatic?!?!?!
3- Last but not least, few days ago i heard about expirable boosters getting introduced, that another hit for players that are not playing daily.
It seems like WG noticed that boosters are something that makes players life easier and less grindy, therefore they are cracking down on the boosters so hard that they are ruining it all to the whole player base, its very weird what they are doing to the boosters system, what exactly they are seeking or caused this decision to be taken is something that needs to be made aware of.
I didn't know you had to claim it manually so missed out on a few days, even now that I know I usually forget to do it. So after however long it's been since it started I have one step done. I hope it lasts for a couple years or there's no way I'll ever get that meh tank. Also went for one of the highest earners of boxes to almost nothing because I don't platoon.
I'm usually the last to suggest this, but we have to do something. And when I say "we", I mean the whole community. Small individual actions (like not buying a lotbox at Christmas) don't work.
We've got to act, make a fucking revolution like War Thunder did in the past. It's the only real solution. We've been getting screwed for the last 5/6 years, and we're doing NOTHING except the regular "gnegne it's bad, idiot wg blablabla" and it's getting worse and worse with each passing year. We, as a community, have to take our responsibilities and make Wargaming shake so that it finally listens to us.
Actions are worth a thousand words.
Hell yeah dude. I agree, it's the only solution left.
We need to wake up and take joint action. Their bullshit has gone on long enough for us. Let's make it change!
And how would you propose to do that, if WG does not even have a feedback channel which they would read or listen to? Are you going to sue them with class action lawsuit? You would need some very expensive american lawyer for that and without credit boosters you have no money for that. 🙂
Set the day that nobody logs on.
Who ever is running the bots that message players should address all player base and tell them to join NoGameDay.
I suggest a protest outside putin's house
What to do?
Talk to WG will not work, they have been sistematically ignoring the player base.
Want WG to listen? STOP GIVING THEM MONEY, simple as this...
And CCs could go a long way stopping to promote predatory monetization schemes with "open 200 lootboxes" vídeos...
its not so easy, when you are content creator you need to cover news, if i refuse to cover new tanks/ loot boxes, i can become irelevent fast, i do not have a choice here, if that make sense
That is one thing The Mighty Jingles has been saying about companies like this for a while now.
@@skill4ltuYou always give us an honest opinion. Dont worry Baboon King. Thats why we're here.
Don’t forget to mention the drastic drop in IQ in the pre-midnight games… people literally playing like idiots to get their Damage and kill missions done ignoring objectives and teamwork.
For those of us who play late at night due to having lives, this is a nightmare! Have to stay below tier 8 to have half decent games!
that has nothing to do with the missions in most cases since 30% of them is based on winning and not dmg and kills. But they did open up EU3 and 4 so the current meta is in pretty big flux right now compared to what it used to be.
I completely agree with you.
I as a casual player who mantain premium subs, stop buying any boxes or prem tank 2 years ago because the horribble MM and constans nerf/buff tech tier tanks(technically almost always a wrong way in my opinion). Last year cancel the premium, and stop playing WOT in frebruary so finally WG achieved what it wanted.
These clan modifications showed how full they are for the little man, they drive everyone towards the competitive game mode, which the casual gamer does not have time for.
Many clans exist just because casuals (like me) like being able to say "good evening all", like to chat between matches, or play a few matches with someone they met in their clan. Earning some rewards and getting boosters is the initial appeal, but it's the social aspect of a friendly clan that keeps people coming back. Removing the social appeal of an online game feels so inconceivably stupid it's hard to begin to understand what WG hoped to achieve.
and yet, they did nothing of that, if you are in it for the social aspect nothing changed... or wait, you cant get social without free rewards...
Been playing wot for 8 years. Moved to wt 4 years ago and never looked backed. And after 4 years i can confidently say that was the best gaming choice i made😂
Never looked back? You still watch videos on WOT
@@latvius7600 nah i still have skill channel subscribed and i saw the title and immediately guessed what’s it gonna be🤣
@@parhamghm Yes, still "looking back" when I stop playing a game I don't watch videos about it and I could care less what the title says. You're like an ex lover who needs to see who your ex is dating now. Don't worry your not alone just look through the posts and see all the other ex lovers who feel the need to tell everyone how they quit the game and moved on yet for some reason are still here posting about a game they hate....
@@latvius7600 by the looks of it someone is just little too much angry about me not liking the same game as u do🤣
@@parhamghm Angry no, just calling out facts that you don't seem to like.
It's not the first time WG takes inexplainable/stupid decisions: remember the HE rework: we just needed to restrain the number of arties par game, and they reinvented the wheel with huge developpements that only made derp guns strongly nerfed... And meanwhile, nothing is done to improve the MM for actually balanced teams. I fear they are step by step killing their own game...
Agreed. (and so, obvious 👍)
I ever wrote something in last monthly WG videos (got some likes there), and I strongly consider to become a free to play player.
First of all and obviously, no box (I stopped that 2years ago), not even for Xmas.
No more premium tank (I stopped that 3 months after creating my account)
I never took WOT+, because WG does not deserve to keep my credit card numbers in their files, and this would be necessary for an abonnement.
I can just remove the premium account and the battle pass second lines... I consider to do it by now.
Great video on a sad topic.
The Clan I am in always had the rules to promote/demote players on the level of contribution, not in a harsh way, but never the less. Since the change clan live "improved", the more active players do even more platoons and skirmishes than before. Even with this it is not sufficient to maintain the level of resources the clan had. Since we got the full level there was never a lack on resources. Now our Chieftain made the calculation and yes there is reason to think on resources. With one booster a day, only when lots of players are online (at least 15) and looking on the rate we earned resources since the change, in just over one year we are blank. Before the rule of 15 applied too, but boosters run in the double for multiple times.
I feel the video misses some important details:
before any battle in tank of tier 4+ counted to the ToD. Now you can only do the first daily in tier 4+. The second daily, the platoon mission has to be played in tier 8+.
Before the change most missions had to be done or could be done with multiple missions like "do 10k damage in won battles". only some had been of single mission style like "get epic medal". Now you only have single mission requirements like kills or xp and to do them multiple times.
This makes ToD even harder for the average or below average players
I myself can't be that active lately, so in the past i made the ToD in the 2 weeks regularly with mostly playing 3 days a week solo for 2 hours each. Now I just contributed some boxes and just reached of stage 2 on Carrot road map.