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- As the world recovers from World War II and fears of overpopulation swell in America, one researcher begins constructing horrifying experiments to model it.
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Male rats: *bullies *
other male rats: stfu before I kiss you
I swear this is how fanfic works xD LMAO
Yoooo am fucking dead
Goddamn it💀💀
I swear this is a yaoi trope
@@nippon9429 shut
There was a rat in New York that trained turtles to fight crime, saw a documentary on it when i was a kid.
That made me laug out loud in all this doom and gloom in the comments.
Underrated comment
TEENAGE MUTANT NINJA TURTLES
I know that made a childrens cartoon and teenagers comic based off the documentary
Wow sounds like an amazing documentary
Think makes me think of corporate offices and their “open work environment” mentality. I always felt like a mouse packed into a over populated cage. They say open work environments aid communication between teams, but spending 9+ hours a day packed into a corporate office stressed me out more than I ever imagined.
A former job I had tried that and everyone just put ear buds in lol
It's a punishment room, the reward is to get to an office. The "pit" is a fine place to visit but a terrible place to stay.
Though I think the true reason "open plan" is used is bad management, they don't know how many people they'll need and just try to cram more people into the space that they have, open plan gets more bodies into a unit area.
There are times I very much enjoy working around other people in a communal environment and other times that I need space for myself. Of course providing that flexibility is an extra expense for a company. One would have to convince them that the benefits outweigh the costs.
@@Treblaine the open plan is much cheaper then closed offices. you can put in there much more people on the same area.
it's done so that there is collective oversight, this why if you don't work everybody notice. seems horrible
I had just over 50 rats at one time, thanks to a friend mixing up and putting two girls in the boys home. I had 10, 6 boys and 4 girls, and a couple weeks later there was over 30. I don't remember how the third pregnancy occurred.
I had built a large cube in the living room with two plexiglass wall for the boys, which outnumbered the girls. Everyone was happy and healthy and no fights.
The most incredible moment I saw was when one boy was taking the dry spaghetti from me and placing them equally next to his brothers/cousins. He literally would eye how many they had and once they had enough, he'd finally take some for himself.
I had a white rate named yo-yo. I could leave his cage open. He would never leave my game room. He would be all over the place. Up on shelves and under stuff. He would always come to me when I walked in or came home. Miss that little bastard.
Willard
@@mrcontroversy222 They truly are sweet creatures with big hearts. The mother of my brood was like that, free-reign in my room and would run up to me when I came in for scritches.
@@Exitof99
i had two as a kid,
Pixie & Dixie,
they were used rats,
my folks were divorced & so my dads place became home to other peoples pets, critters that their kids neglected or got tired of, the rats had cages bul we let them out to explore all the time.
so they were semi cage free
free range good natured little
cheese weasels
I have 4 rats (and have had about 15 in total over the years). They are the sweetest friends, if socialized well. Little dogs.
He forgot to mention but a lot of the outcast males got into swords and anime
Lmaoooo
Hah I thought this was my comment! How weird
Lol
LMAOO
@@ckw4244 lol
Basically near the end young having gone through extreme child abuse (neglect and physical) don’t want to have kids, and when they do have kids have no idea what they’re doing.
Millenials
@@donquesewilliamswilliams3497 i also got that feeling
The explanation for the mental health issue of XXI century
Daleth Lumbreras you’re such an edgelord you had to type in Roman numerals hahaha you sad fuck
@@TheJasonjd11 wot
The newest mouse utopia was on "horders" tv show. This guy loved rats so much he just let them take over the house. He slept in the shed in the backyard so they wouldn't lick his eyes for moisture while he slept.
holy crap!!!!!
@@PutinsMommyNeverHuggedHim Not being sarcastic, very well put.
Bruh
If he loves them so much they should just let them have their house, and you become homeless amirite fellas?
What’s even wilder, is that after he got rid of the rats someone broke into his house and killed him. Guess he should’ve kept the rats
Social media also strikes me as a sort of rat utopia as well. Inescapable, overpopulated and full of behavioural sinks.
Good point, though I think it is possible to escape. Maybe the pressure to be "connected" in that way is greater on the younger generations (i.e. inescapable) than I experience as a 53 y.o.?
@@stuarthall3874 yeah just smash up your device and your done, or maybe plug out your router and turn off your data.
not really... its more comparable to alcohol abuse than anything...its escapable
@@joeljustjazzing or butt stuff
Social media is of the devil. Has damn near ruined humanity especially the younger generations
Less dominant male rats: imma clap them cheeks
Dominant male rats: sure thing
Definetly the weridest part of it all.
😂😂🤦🏻♂️
ha big gae
Maybe what we thought were the less dominant ones were actually the "pimps"
That also happens at prison
That awkward moment when you make a rat utopia but forget to add the utopia so you just add more rat
@@dtyj2815 rg NJ u it guy ugh ukuuuh
@@dtyj2815 No, the food and water are the preset conditions in this experiment. The horrible stuff about segregation, rape and slaughter came as a result of not being able to cope with the changes to the rodents' natural way of life. You cannot have a utopia if the people within it are not enjoying it, and those rats clearly weren't. If anything, this is one of the most dystopian stories to ever exist.
@@dtyj2815 You're missing my point. Rats are naturally scavengers, so when everything they need for scavenging is suddenly just available on a whim, the rats need to adjust their new living situations accordingly, but they don't really know how to do that. Calhoun created a utopia, yes, but that same utopia quickly dissolves into a dystopia since the rats cannot figure out how to live in their new environment in a way that is beneficial for everyone.
A utopia is a world where everyone (or at the very least the ideal citizens) are living in relative harmony. These rats were not experiencing any of this, at all. The preset conditions are one of a utopia, yes, but a population that cannot adjust to that which goes against their very nature as rodents forces these utopias to quickly become dystopias. This is what I'm trying to say here.
Maybe this isn't quite the same, but let's take Nazi Germany for example: It was suppose to be a utopia for the German people. World War II aside, Nazi Germany was anything but a utopia. This is because of the persecution towards jews and political opponents, and the obsessions over a "master race." Also the only people truly able to benefit from the Nazi system were of course Nazi party members, and even then it was only the ones who had the support of Hitler and his subordinates. Do you think people enjoyed having their friends and neighbors "disappear" overnight? Or even having to take part in the departure of their friends? Do you think they enjoyed watching others being arrested and killed in the streets en masse? Or having any of their criticisms of the system heavily censured and receiving death threats if they continued this opposition to the Nazi system? For a Nazi, their Germany must've felt like a utopia. For everyone else? A dystopia; Hell. They would've wanted to ditch the country soon as possible. Hell, in the Mouse Utopia Experiment, the rats tried to escape, but they couldn't so they had to cope with segregation. Obviously, that didn't work.
@@dtyj2815 its not a utopia if you cant escape. Also they got nothing to do. Nothing new to explore. Just eat sleep have sex and fight.
All Utopias produce the worst Hell
I think there were 2 key problems: lack of challenges and lack of activity. Too much challenge could led to stress, hopelessness and similar; similar with having no rest has bad effects too. However also the opposite too little or none leads to results like in the rat experiment. So fora healthy live, activity and challenges are needed. Like when people retire, they need hobbies, social life, physical activity and so on. Sitting only on a coach watching TV and snacking, even if it feels like I am so free, will surely end badly.
I'm wondering if running wheels similar these for hamster were added the result would have been devastating. So there would have been an activity and aggression could have been consumed by running (maybe)
they are rats........
Seems like the way we are headed now there is AI.
@@humbertovargas1211 and? They are living beings just like we are
That's my take away from this study too. What he created was a literal prison, not a city. (and the rats acted more like prisoners than city residents, too).
I connected four fish tanks with 8 foot clear plastic pipes, they had been four separate worlds, two for goldfish, one for tetras, and one tank for a 12 inch pleco. The water is circulated between tanks and the whole system has one filter.
The behavior stuff has been the most interesting. Two of the tanks are always crowded and two are underpopulated. Two goldfish readily take the tunnels, two stumble into them occasionally, and two won't go in. One goldfish likes living by herself with a hundred tetras and minnows, another alternates between a crowded tank and the ghost town next door.
The giant pleco travels the 30 foot length to see a pleco in the far tank. The book says never put them together, but I guess it means never trap them together.
Only one fish acted worse, a pink shark catfish. When the worlds came together, he realized what happened and went from tank to tank, beating up the goldfish.
Brilliant
Very interesting. Thanks for sharing!
Pink shark catfish are generally assholes
You could unironically write a scientific paper with this data
@@cerradin I am keeping better data, now, since you mention it. We tried to use trail cameras to monitor the transits, but the cold blooded fishes don't trigger the sensor!
I call the system The Metropolis.
That awkward moment when the dominant male rat bullies you but then he lookin kinda cute
Fuck. You got me 🤣
no homo ahhaha
Stockholm syndrome/abusive relationships.
@@justas423 LMAO
Bruh
*TURNED THE FRIGGIN RODENTS GAY*
(Ruffles papers to get your attention)
CITIES ARE TURNING THE FREAKIN' HUMANS GAY!
Vallis Daemonum lmao
*SLAPS TABLE IN CAPS*
Rabbits have a place perchance to pansexuality... NOT because of "cities", but because the species have little differentiation between genders (rabbits be lookin androgynous).
This proves that when locked in a room with rats, the rats do, in fact, make you crazy.
*This proves that, when living in a city with many people, the people do, in fact, make you crazy like them.
It’s really nice to see content that is not the same old regurgitated top 10 lists found on countless other channels. This is both interesting and well done.
>tries to conduct an allegorical study on over-population
>ends up creating rat-cels and chad-rats
>fucking rat-cels
@Jökull Tinni Ingvarsson more like rat-shaquishas
One main difference the rats are much cleaner then the incels
just like real life
i mean, it was sort of inevitable that creating a social setting would lead to a hierarchy.
Oh sure, when he does it, he's "fascinating," but when I do it I'm "no longer welcome at Petsmart."
Rocky Gems try Petco
Petco puts animals that don't sell in a freezer to die.
Petco did nothing wrong...
I heard Petco doesn't sell pets
“Million Dollar Book Deal” vs “Fired, now get out, or I’m calling the cops.”
shoutout to this video for not only getting me into down the rabbit hole, but also inspiring me to cover this topic for an informative speech project in high school. watching this years later on the bus to my job and remembering the childlike wonder of learning new things of my own accord.
Being trapped in a box. No matter how much food and water you give. Is not Utopia.
All this did was show that a limited space without the ability of expansion. Leads to violence. Space is just as important as food and water.
The study was flawed from the beginning! You are right. Can you guess another glaringly obvious "mistake" that would lead to a skewed conclusion?
BTW, humans will not suffer this fate. We have a way out.
BSC/PHDS/8&3
Mices didn't even reach 2/3 of the boxes population capacity, they could easily continue to reproduce as there was plenty of more space, its an issue of complete lack of any goal in existance, the mices had plenty of food, water and space to reproduce, they just didn't want to and decided to commit suicide.
@@cherilynnfisher5658 Have you even read the study? The autor said that the box had a population capacity of over 3000 mices, whilst the population started declining at around 2000
@@notrius7754 I have been studying U25 for over 40 years! It has been my life's work! I lead classes about it.
You did not answer my question. Can you guess one or more of the glaring flaws in the original study? How much correlation/similarity do you think there is between the collapse of the mice and the collapse of humans?
@@cherilynnfisher5658 Well my guess for the flaw is that the experiment wasn't repeated but done only once instead. And the correlations are so many i don't even know how to begin with, i won't even name all of them since it would take too long, instead i will over generalise is:
Industrial revolution, which in my belief was a tragic accident that was not supposed to happen to our race has led us to a point where mices were at the start of the experiment (at least for the western countries) basically unlimited food, water, electricity, warmth, mass housing, welfare programs and so on, this was not that much of an issue when life itself was still very hard in 19th century or when world wars happened, but when life became insanely easy and big wars stopped happening after WW2, our population boom happened which then ended and was met with population stagnation, or in some places (including my country) decline despite the fact that our living of standards remained mostly the same for this time, and we have just as much space and ability to reproduce just as we did before, yet we choose not to. The only places in the west where population is still rising (Like US and France) are only caused by mass migration to this countries (to US from Latin America and to France from Africa) its native population though is reproducing in very low numbers compared to more normal times in history of thier countries. In mices, the population broke down, started seperating each other, some mices became hyper-masculine, other hyper-feminine (there was also this whole thing about the "beautifull ones" which are basically what we people consider "transgenders" or "femboys" to be) violence, fear and stress was also in big increase, mices would have thier tails bitten or even be killed by other mices in numbers never observed in mices in thier normal living environments, which is also happening to us Humans. Now the best example is China, they industrialized quickly, population boom, then decline, society starts hating itself and tearing itself apart, people are seperating each other, men are becoming hyper-feminine, isolated, people don't want to reproduce, China is already facing an inevitable population collapse which at this point is unpreventable, Japan is experiencing this thing even more in fact where population decline is happening for 20 years already. This leads me to believe places like North America, Europe, China, South Korea or Japan and many others will be depopulated and made insignificant by the end of this century, and will be replaced by African countries, which might too experience thier fate when they become "developed" ultimately, no industrial society will ever last , the only thing that can keep those societies going is when they constantly fight wars and make life difficult for thier population, but ultimately, it would simply have been better off for everybody if industrial revolution never happened in the first place.
Society turned the rats gay, what’s next? The frogs?
*TAP WATER MADE THE FROGS GAY*
Nah the frogs are getting turned by the water, not society
Hoomans gey
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Obama did that years ago. I got the shirt that proves it.
"... he would need more data." Is rarely a comforting phrase to hear.
Jacob Drum I forget the name of the story, but this reminds me of a creepypasta where a father has no choice but to lock his family up in their basement with very little food to study their behavior for some fucked up science experiment.
+Shin Christzilla What's the name of the creepypasta?
Shin Christzilla Yo, please tell [the chat] us if/when you find/remember the name of the story. It sounds like a combo of SCP, the rat utopia, and parts of the MHE series or River God.
I looked it up, and it sounds like it's this one: creepypasta.wikia.com/wiki/Psychologist.
Shin Christzilla the Psychologist. Starving Dogs is a prequel to that story. The Harbinger Experiment is also interesting
As someone who grew up in the country and moved to the city I’ve found it extremely uncomfortable having so many people so close to me.
Funny that no film or pictures have been released to the public to this day...
It was a experiment to influence society, you think they're going to release much of anything. There is no coincidence they made a movie in 1982 called "The Secret of NIMH" featuring lab rats that escaped their cages after being altered genetically.
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Calhoun sounds like a man who had a deep psychological need for The Sims. But unfortunately for him and those animals, The Sims didn't exist yet.
Sims! The game that helps people not murder each other.... or kill innocent animals.... (Yes I know this still happens but people, just create a sim verison of them and kill that one. Repeatedly)
@@feihtyt2063My sister was so good as killing Sims. She'd go full on genocide, by organising a party, having everyone come over, then wall them in and kill them in a house fire.
She would also feed rotten food to her guests to poison them..
Yeah I should be worried, shouldn't I?
@@SalahEddineH keep an eye on her. I kill someone people in sims, but not like.... that. Keep a eye on her
@@SalahEddineH have her start a youtube channel
He was associated with Eugenics groups. This wasn't an experiement as presented. Not when you look at those critters and our society and then look at things like the assocation of Orwell, 1984 and the Fabian Society found in 1884(also deeply assocaited with Eugenics) ..
“What are we gonna do tonight, Brain?”
“The same thing we do every night, Pinky.”
*”Clap some gay rat cheeks.”*
this comment needs to get to the top of the comments 😂😂😂
Yesssiiiiirrrrrr
Lolz.
Try to take over the world
Zort!
I loved the rats of nimh story as a child, I had no idea it was based on a real story.
How did you hear this as a child ??
@@user-rr3ci3ky6w Google search the book and movies "The rats of nimh" it was read to me at elementary school. I highly recommend the books before the movies.
@@user-rr3ci3ky6w The experiment inspired a novel which inspired an animated movie. It has little to do with the real thing, NIMH makes the rats super smart instead of disturbed.
@@diegov1743 will research some when sober haha sounds interesting might know what you’re talking about
Props. Fascinating. Scary. Can't help but compare myself and view my life choices through this lens. Having chosen to live abroad, away from my family and main friends for the past 10 years and foreseeable future, I cannot help but imagine I'd be stuck in the middle section if I had no way to travel. Add the frequent passivity in my days and you have one uncomfortable k0walsk thinking he should start recording himself.
I too was viewing myself and the past choices of myself and those around me from this perspective .
Although we are not identical creatures we have formed similar habits to these creatures. 😮
2% of the comments: actually helpful advice and information
98%: *lol rat has the big gæ*
*Faks.....LoL jk
Pretty much the entire internet summed up in one comment.
Yup, still digging the comment section for that 2%. The comments section is so overpopulated with LOL LE BIG GAE commenters it's really just one big circlejerk utopia for it.
I really wish there are more creative people in this comment section.
@Arya They don't even know they're part of the Utopia.
Must have been 1 rodent going: "I think there is a conspiracy here, we're living in a matrix."
But the others reckoned him a conspiracy theorist and bit his ears off.
Jon Bain makes complete sense
The human was literally just standing there lol
Neo the rat never got to see the morpheus behind the experiment. Rip
And the creator just stood over and took notes..
The problem is that its the opposite, they all knew the matrix aka the humans and fake environment there, just that some think its either controlled or not, but rats all have instinct anyway so it doesn't matter
I think many people including me have accidentally created similar experiments. Rats and mice breed quick. I got 2 boy rats for my kids. They were living in my daughter's doll house. All went well and it was cute until one of the boys turned out to be a girl and had babies in the doll house. Of course it was too small for 2 adults and a litter. I built a large habitat for them all and the "experiment" may have gone on much longer but the mother mouse kept escaping at night. My "cage" wasn't that great though it was large. They were all taken to the pet store after she escaped and ate most of my weed that I used for my insomnia. She must have ate some from her behavior. But a year later I found a lot of it buried in carpet in a corner under furniture. She had stashed it. I'm glad for the experience but they were overwhelming for me to care for.
Another time I had two hamsters. Once they were adults they would fight. Get this, I learned by accident that if I rythmicly played a little drum i had they would stop fighting, sit side by side, bow there heads with their little hands together as in prayer. It was one of the strongest things I had ever accidentally caused. If you have hamsters you should try the drum with them and see what happens.
Lol the weed part was so unexpected. Made me laugh
What the hell are you smoking?
@@fireblood280 I'll tell you if you tell me first.
Five years later and it still bugs the hell out of me that he uses "mouse" and "rat" interchaneably
Like for real, idk when the “rats” became mice
I had sexual relations with ur mother, good sir
the first experiment had rats. universe 25 had mice. he specifically mentions the change in species between the 2 experiments
Chad Rats : Yo get outta here or else
Incel rats : You gon make me act up, you gon make me do something I’m gonna regret
😂😂😂
My middle name is rat
*ACT UP BY CITY GIRLS INTENSIFIES*
_-act up bouta get snatched up-_
omllll💀💀
Basically yes
Rat: *bullies one other rat*
Other rat: "Uwu harder daddy"
Rat: *confused bullying*
*bullies harder
@@dananaditya9347 bruh
o w o
i haven't started watching the video and reading this without context is concerning
*confused graping*
wonderfully made video , one can really tell how much effort went into making this.
Regularly take breaks from society for your health. Go camping without your phone. Try an isolation tank. Take a trip somewhere natural and untouristy. Go somewhere where you can let your animal body breathe and make sounds and move like it wants to. That and finding what kind of role/work/vocation speaks to our soul seems like the answer to this societal problem in our modern model of humanity.
And be careful too... anything can happen camping alone...
“In this final stage called Death, Calhoun noted that the female mice began to eat hot chip, charge de phone, lie, and Twerk. As this period went on, certain males would begin to make music citing the movie Scott Pilgrim Vs The World as somehow being closely tied with the females current status”
Bpd and ecstacy...
Fintan Mathewes I hate the I know where this goes
@@user-zf2gy7mr4t i mean, the song is OK, but some people took it too seriously
Both in veiwing it as seriously anti-woman, and as something to fawn over and protect. Its just a musical shitpost, playing as a critic on a specific style somd people.follow
Bright dyed hair but dead inside.......
@@yoko3173 Plan B lifetime supply
Ratatouille 2 looks good so far
Check out the prequel, Ratatoing.
Rad the Rattata word
Rata2e
You said it gun sound!
What about flushed away 2 you uncultured swine.
Its easy to notice behaviors in other mammals that seem to mimic human behavior. But humans are not only mammals. Despite what behaviorists may tell you, humans also exhibit the behavior of ethical decision making. Humans can and do decide to change their behavior in ways and for reasons that would never occur to non human mammals.
Thats why we regulate damn near everything.
That's not true...
@@Christopher-nl2kbit quite literally is true
That is true for a small percent of people, most just seem to behave like a mindless animal. So we wont go extinct thanks to our intellect, but sure will go through very hard times thanks to it.
Considering the timeline for these experiments, I wonder if this influenced the ideas of the anti technology unabomber at all. The parallels between the experiment and modern society would’ve been certainly clear to a man like him.
He was right.
I’m sure he already had much of these thoughts. I wouldn’t say influenced maybe just justified.
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Based Uncle Ted
"Their behavioural repertoire became largely confined to eating, drinking, sleeping and grooming"
《Insert quarantine joke here》
After quarantine everybody gonna be a snack.
Wheres the react where the guy laughs and then he realizes a further implication of what he saw and his face drops and his eyes go wide
Quarantine has me so deprived from human contact to the point where the idea of passionately making out and cuddling with my guy friends doesnt make me feel weird
@@somedude8346 bruh what?
@@somedude8346 I felt that
everybody be talking about the rats being gay while I'm here thinking this concept of a whole species self destructing within a few generations is low key terrifying
It's definitely terrifying. It's also happening.
@@KDGaming175 ok unoriginal trend follower. I'm a millennial BTW.
@@TheTriggerhappyhippi there are similarities but your "examples" aren't well thought out
@@alabastardmasterson how so.
@@TheTriggerhappyhippi metro sexually? What year is this 2002? The reason most of us millennials and younger people are not having kids is we can't afford them; we have to have a side gig, or hold two jobs to pay for housing, utilities and food. That rules out time for dating, and socializing. Those who tend to do well now are lucky, or living off mom and dad (boomers kids). I'm 34 and this is my life and Community in the DC area.
This is so crazy, i wonder why youtube doesnt recommend more things like this
Modern-day versions of these experiments should focus on ways that we could adjust the dense environments of mice so they could stay healthy and functioning properly even with high density. It seems like Calhoun wanted to engineer pain and doom, and he succeeded. I would want to engineer satisfaction and flourishing. I bet it's doable with some architectural tweaks. It's strange that we never tried. It's like scientists don't want to even consider the possibility of an actual utopia. Somehow the most disturbing thing I found in this video was the banner ad at 23:09. Слава Україні!
He did, his later experiments were focused on trying to reverse the behavior sinks. Nobody ever seems to care about those experiments though
Maan..
Stuart Little 2 looks *intense*
yeah theres a reason they had to redo the script.. original version was not too family friendly
Actually, it’s a prequel to the first Stuart Little. Stuart is raised in one of the Universes and must overcome the abuse, trauma, and psychologicL horror that haunts him throughout adolescence. After being kicked out by his mother and brutally assaulted by fellow mice in the Utopia, an elder mouse tells him of the simulation he is living in, and that his life is a lie and that he must escape. Months of training and hiding prepare him for the escape from his Utopian society and revolt against collectivism and the matrix he is a slave to. He violently attacks his brothers and the mice around him, slaughtering hundreds of innocent women and children in cold-blooded revenge. He finally breaks through the walls of his city, and set out to murder his human captors. However, he manages to get hit on the head in a comedic fashion. From the trauma, he has been given amnesia and increased intellegence. In a Truman-esque fashion, producers of a popular television show take him in and force him to relive his life in a forced ideal simulation with his family, the Littles. Film theorists say that Stuart Little 3 will expand on the further plot-points. He will remember his past, become his rage full self again, and discover the truth of his television series currently being filmed about him. The final moment we will see of him will be him unable to escape and committing suicide inside of a washing machine with help from enemy Snowbelle.
@@aleixiaprof7155 wtf
You mean 4?
isn't there already a stuart little 2?
This is the most fascinating documentary on Detroit I've seen yet.
Kevin Carpenter wait a minute
I've been laughing at this comment for 2 hours.
BITCH STOP EXPOSING OUR CITY
"Ever since the cheese factories shut down, Hold up... EY FOOL! FOREVER REPPIN' VELVEETA LANE SWISS GANG. WICHO CHUCKY CHEESE LOOKIN ASS... Sorry, like I said..."
Well played
It`s like ancient Greece, everyone fucks with each other
his statement at the end of the death squared segment really describes the current landscape of humanity.
Humanity has a way out.
BSC/PHDS/8&3
@@cherilynnfisher5658what?
@@EIlmo
Robust discussions of the differences and similarities between mouse and human behavior in a U25 environment never ended.
Note: The original mouse studies had some glaring flaws!
The mice in the studies had no "control" over their environment and were forced to just "react" to behavioral sink eroding and destroying their society.
Humans are WAY different!
We can do what mice can't!
We have the capability to engineer our environment and even whole societies to achieve desired outcomes.
"BSC/PHDS/8&3" is the way that humans do this.
It is the actual
"Recipe for Civilization".
@@cherilynnfisher5658 I still don't understand what U25, PHDS and 8&3 mean.
@@EIlmo
NOTE: What follows is seriously incomplete!
Just the tip of an iceberg!
"BSC/PHDS/8&3" is known in my circles as the actual "Recipe for Human Civilizations"; How they rise, and how they fall.
Here's a loose (Real "LOOSE"!) translation;
"BSC"= Sometimes a LOOSE reference to "Building Sustainable Civilization".
NOTE: BSC also has some other interesting meanings.
"PHDS"= Sometimes a LOOSE reference to intellectual critical thinking processes. The knowledge and wisdom necessary to analyse data, and manipulate outcomes. PHDS also has other interesting meanings.
"8"= Sometimes it's not a number! It's also a shape used to denote "repeating loops" of predictable patterns.
We can learn from history. We can learn from past achievements or mistakes, and change course! This is why knowledge of history is so important! Again, 8 can have other meanings.
"3"= Sometimes LOOSELY used to denote the 3 parts of a timeline; the past, present, and future, or the beginning, middle, and end of some era. Of course "3" can have other meanings.
I already know that I have now left you with more questions than answers.
GOOD! STAY CURIOUS!
"Some people have some of the answers. Nobody has all of the answers. Way too many people are not even asking the right questions"!
In order to avoid the tragedy of losing our entire civilization to the "Big Bad 3" of Insanity, Stupidity, and Apathy, we as a species must come together to "solve our problems"! Blaming, and killing each other for all the things that are going wrong is NOT a "solution"! That is just behavioral sink, and we know where that leads. . .
p.s. U25= "Universe 25"
"...on day 690, the rats seemed to have developed a religion. Building paper mache statues that appeared to resemble the likeness of Calhoun."
Too FUNNY
Thankyou 🙌🌞
I read this in his voice
LMAOOOO
Pay homage to All Father Calhoun! Father to all ratkind!
He would be the boogey man they would all fear and resent If they knew what their natural,lives were supposed to be like!
"in a natural setting, those which find no social niche will leave the colony - but in this experiement, immigration is impossible."
man i felt that lol
Emigration*
It's too fucking hard lol, Being from a "developed country" (UK) the only places I can migrate to legally are other European countries which are almost similar Socialist shitholes
@@EzraMerr coincidentally all developed countries offer a social system, maybe there is a connection you are too dumb to see ;)
@@7schlafer886 Yeah, like Russia and china. Great places to live.
@@richardroberson2564 Russia yes China no
You could’ve gone on for hours and I would’ve been tuned in.. this is wild af
Great videos, man. People need to know about this stuff. Thank you.
When I clicked on “Rat Utopia” I was not expecting hyperactive hypersexual pan sexual super rats
It’s my only goal in life to be a hyperactive, hypersexual, pansexual, aggressive super rat.
So what phase are humans in now I wonder?!
@@Jerome616 Probably phase D
@@user-dxvzkh okay, I’d better get back to my grooming routine.
🍳💖💛💙🍳pan rights
What i got out of that is the way we design prisons makes people sicker.
And now we know why
well duh prison is a punishment and so to avoid back breaking labour or torture of the old days they just make everything ever so slightly shitte so it punishes people in a more subtle way.
Nahhh, the structure of prisons is different. The structure of these Utopias doesn't focus solely on enclosure that you see in prisons. Population growth in an unhindered society is what most likely causes the changes in behavior. You don't see that in a prison where reproduction is not a thing.
@@agares-kun872 yeah i ment more of saying the effects of confined living and relativly semilar in lack of stimulation though even the most crappy prisons tend to have free librarys at least now days
It's one of the most torturous things we can do to people but somehow it isn't seem as cruel or unusual.
This channel blew tf up what the hell congrats 🎉
Have watched this a few times. Always fascinating
I like how he didn't account for the fact that having nothing to do but eat sleep and reproduce in a small place might just drive any creature insane
@@mitchellfrancis8978 that is true, however I still think being trapped in one place would affect them, seeing as how I didn't leave the house much before the covid quarantine but when the quarantine happened I was itching to get out
@@mitchellfrancis8978 he even sayd that mice that cant find anything to do there normale leave and search for a new colony. Wich would solve overpopulation and the behaverial sink problem
Rats need enrichment
@@mitchellfrancis8978 Except rats are quite intelligent. Not as much as, say crows or dolphins, but still very smart. Not to mention, these days, we know that almost any animal needs enrichment materials to be happy. Things to interact with are essential. Almost all mammals need to be able to play.
Even Karl Marx recognized the importance of work to keep any human healthy.
I knew New Yorkers were weird but this is on a whole other level
😂😂
We aren't weird, it's just taxes...😎 WHY THE FUCK DO WE PAY TO MUCH FUCKING TAXES AHHHGHHJRUFHDFH
@@bunnybunowo5967 You seem weird
Defender DON yeah
Lmao
This is completely unrelated but when you showed that clip from the secret of Nimh it made me realize that that was the movie I had been trying to find for a while now cause the scene where the house sinks into the mud traumatized me as a kid
That movie scared the crap about me.
Its not terribly difficult to draw parallels with modern society
I'm sure this guy would have loved to play Sims
It certainly would have been a better use of his time.
Come on that's not fair to say...everyone loves the Sims
AI does not compare to real animal social behavior
@@lemightypants327 you're right you can only program an animal to do exact things in exact scenarios and the only way to know for sure would would happen in thoses exact scenarios is to do live trials programmed trials for animal experementarions will never be ground breaking the can only be preprogrammed to what the programmer thinks would happen
@@codybess1288 digest.bps.org.uk/2005/11/02/why-perform-psychology-experiments-on-rats/
Props to the Rat Class who gonne just like "Yo, i'm gonna just chill and play games, walk slow, live life by myself" and ended up being the healthiest class in there.
the actual chad rats
Lol if we as a human race thinks dying as a breed and being so unhappy with life we avoid social contacts being a success... Yes then your right 🤔👍
@@Smokiezzzable
I am talking about mice, in a failed Mouse Utopia
You know that, right?
@@Smokiezzzable If you think mice have the exact same social intelligence and intellect as humans and thus this experiment is undeniable proof of humanity's demise... Yes then, you're right.
@Michael Scott Just because people act a fool online doesn't justify comparing humanity to a shite experiment because it's pessimistic. The people who say 'It's the internet, respect isn't here' say that to justify that they are just assholes online. And no, I'm not new.
Why did the rats crowd around certain feeding locations? BECAUSE CALHOUN DESIGNED IT THAT WAY. He used chunk food that was confined to a hopper so that they had to eat there, and could not bring food back to their nests. THIS was the cause of the abnormal social situation, which ultimately led to the extinction of the colony.
I still watch The Secrets Of NIMH as an adult. Great movie knowing the history and events that inspired it.
I’m surprised that Prisons weren’t radically reformed after this.
People don't care about prisoners...
Kiki FromHolland I know... it’s sad.
Most of the time if your in prison you deserve to be there so. Dont wanna do the time, dont do the crime 🤷♂️
@@hueman4719 that's easy for you to say. Maybe think about what you say. People are getting put behind bars when they are not guilty all the time. People who spend more than 5 years in terrible circumstances without doing one damn thing. So please, have some respect
@@kikifromholland6469 how about you have some respect for the words I said and use your brain? What part of MOST OF THE TIME, did you not comprehend? I didn't say let them all rot you peon. Respect? this is the internet lady. Have some respect for yourself and realize there is none of that here.
Society 2: the fuckening
Society 4: WE LIVE IN A SOCIETY.
Society 5: There is no society
Society 6: So©IeTy
Society 7: attack of the big g@y
Society 9: now we gotta throw the whole society away
What I would be interested in is how different his results might have been if he'd used a species that engages in cooperative hunting. If my understanding of human evolution is to date, it was when our ancestors started cooperative hunting that we became hominids. I come from an engineering not biological science background but, I never thought of rodents as having cooperation. I'm not sure what I would expect it to change just observing that I find my dog relatable, I believe she and I understand each other very well. I don't know how human rodents think by contrast.
Wow, mind blowing!!! Great content thanks!
Yes, another episode of "wow, that was fascinating! I wish I could unlearn that!".
munnypantz lol, as someone who enjoys the Post Apocalyptic setting. I was both fascinated and disturbed by it.
You just summed up this entire series.
how could you want to unlearn chris chan
Ignorance is bliss?
Give this man a beer
Alpha male: GIVE US YOUR WOMEN AND WE'LL GIVE YOU FOOD
Beta male: TAKE ME INSTEAD
Alpha male: U H H . . . OKAY
Naphtalene
what lol
Don’t you mean Omegas heheh…
Gay niggas lol
Gotta' love ya' some good Yaoi.
No, you misunderstand. The Alphas were the ones letting the Betas mate with them. In other words the betas were mounting the alphas.
Why am I just finding this channel? Instant subscribe! And I rarely do that.
Such a poignantly strong close to your video.
Thank you.
I clicked this video because the thumbnail looks like a quesadilla but I stayed for the psychological terror
I like pain
That's what's wrong with their society... They don't have El Queso Bandido to save them.
Now I’m hungry
I came for the psychological terror and stayed for the comments lol
never change
"the dominant male would not fight these attemps" they were GAY fredrik
Correction: they were PANSEXUAL
RatCurious.
Lana D no
TheIrishFoley yes
I uh I might be half rat then 😬😅😬😬😅
marvelous summary. thank you very much.
Very interesting indeed...makes you wonder, think and wonder again
He was able to easily distinguish the outcast males by their neckbeards and fedoras.
Don’t forget about the ones dressed in black and colored hair
@@davehoward3645 goth?
YOUDONTKNOWME and Antifa and the loke
@@davehoward3645 ahhh okok
Along with shitty overpriced craft beer
then the outcast realized he could cook and manipulated a human into opening a restaurant so he could cook in Paris.
They should make a movie about that
@@duifmethoed well....
I UNDERSTOOD THAT REFERRENCE
@@duifmethoed movie would never take off. probably be forgotten
@Coo Chi Bold of you to assume little kids would be remotely interested in watching this when there's epic fornite funny moments amogus fnf compilation #57
We are living in the mouse utopia right now. Look at our behavior and the mouse behavior.
He obviously didn't address every need of the mice. They had no entertainment. When you don't need to spend time and energy on finding food/water and avoiding predators then you have a lot of leisure time. That needs to be filled with something especially in such a high energy creature.
aaronmoreton yes i agree - through the lens of today and years of research on animal intelligence, seems obvious that he ignored emotional and intellectual wellbeing - the rats were essentially bored to death.
But I think rats don't have the intellectual and imaginative capabilities of a human , they only need food sex and water and basic things required for survival rats don't ask why or how or attempt to manipulate their environment on a human level their main focus on life is survival they have no concept of entertainment and probably their brains are not built to feel it
@@anmolpatel793 rats that were previously straight became gay (or as Calhoun would like to say, "pansexual") though. I don't think they completely lack the need for entertainment/engaging activities, even if those needs are in a far less culturally-developed form in comparison to humans' need for entertainment.
Also, just as it is a biological need, the process of sex and the hunt for food are entertainment to the brain in themselves. Having those needs easily attainable without doing much work leaves something to be desired in the brain, often cultivating to overeating and hypersexuality as seen in the end results of the experiment (and in small part of humanity ourselves).
@@anmolpatel793 do you know what a treadmill is?
@@anmolpatel793 why do they love to run on wheels and toys are available for them in pet shops? Believe it or not, I sprayed wd-40 on a windmill decor in my yard because it was squealing and a wasp's nest was in the location I sprayed, after at least 10mins I walked thru my yard no where near the windmill but a wasp landed on my upper arm stung me a flew away????? So, it recognized me from spraying the nest, ruining the home, and possibly killing its offspring after time passed??? Critters are smarter than we give them credit for.
“The rats became hyper intelligent, developing a nuclear arsinal, and worshiping a giant bell”
Damn Skaven!
Yes yes worship great horned one!
[insert Warhammer joke]
the word is "ARSENAL"
didnt know u watch the original planet of the apes movies.....men turned into a race of condom headed humanoids worshipping a giant nuclear missile in the shape of a golden dildo ten stories high like a church altar.
Coming back here after 5-6 years….looks like we truly are the rat utopia after all.
We live in -a society- a rat utopia
I'm just about group 2, but I honestly feel lucky to be in this position. There's nothing that can be done except to just watch it all go down. I did try a couple times to find someone but I was incredibly inept. Nowadays I ponder alot what could have been as I journey along my monkhood and I refuse to give into those chat machines. Thing is also, its difficult to find anybody since its all online now and getting a bite is harder than ever in the sea which used to just be a pond. Then many people in irl are just husks and its a sad sight to bestow upon. I try not to get attached anymore because ik I'm never going to see the person again. Maybe I'm also a husk of a person, but who wouldn't be in this kind of society.
Fuck it I say let's take inspiration from Thanos from Avengers Endgame and start farming potatoes that'll cheer our erectile dysfunction up
We truly live in a skaven society yes yes
@@vigilantbruiser1119 Spoken like a true Type 2 rat. Same here. Maybe the rats in the cage just converted to Buddhism. I like how they were going slowly while everyone was in a rush. Same can be observed nowadays. Everyone has this "restlessness/drive" in their eyes and hates their existence.
This shit is crazy and disturbing
Maybe we’re a rat city for aliens
Nah
Enter the matrix
Duh
Maybe
They fucked up the utopia part
What he unintentionally created was a study on "cabin fever," not the effects of overpopulation. Stick a any number of people inside a building they cannot leave, with nothing to do except eat, sleep, and be social, and their behavior would fall apart just like the rodents in his study.
Real life is full of things to do - mice explore, forage for food, escape predators, *live.* Enrichment is extremely important in both animal welfare and to human lives. After all, without falling down the CZcams rabbit hole and finding this video, I would've gone as stir crazy trapped in quarantine as the rats and mice trapped in their "utopias" :P
From what I understand his later studies addressed those concerns. And they yielded positive results.
Go for a walk bro
@@zagreus4438 I don't think it was so much getting out, it was more the ability to be creative. I'm finding it hard to find those results though. But yea, going for a walk and getting out would definitely be beneficial.
Yea but we are animals meant to run hunt breed etc too. People are dying right now because of too many people. Notice all the uprising in mass shootings? Population
I'm just throwing it out there, but wouldn't/couldn't mass overpopulation lead the ENTIRE WORLD to a state of cabin fever in a way? But at the same time I feel like we'll explore and inhabit different planets by the time the population reaches such an unfathomable level.
So we've known that prisons are horrible since the 1960's and we did nothing to improve it.
wow, mice killed each other when they had everything they wanted, this definitely means it would be the exact same for humanity!
I had pet rats when I was younger and a few mice once also. One thing that I remember is that having a wheel was important not only for them to stay fit but to burn off excess energy and not get bored or depressed. I wonder if having a bunch of wheels in there would have helped things?
The dumb thing is, you're not a scientist... but I think you're right.
Where was the recreation?
This is why utopia is impossible. If something has no reason to work as it is completely provided for, eventually the system will fail.
You’re right. They only had basic living needs. Nothing else. Although i wonder if all a bunch of mice treadmills would’ve done is just prolong their inevitable fate.
Nope. Wait that didn’t make sense. I meant prolong their lives until they eventually would’ve ended up like they did regardless.
Ok I’m fucking too stupid to comment lol
i think the bareness of the cages might have had something to do with it, at least a little bit. there is no stimulation for the mice and rats outside of interacting with eachother. no toys or things to climb.
that might also explain why prisons reflected the rat utopia the most, because they dont have anything like a career or learning to focus on
Your thoughts are infantile and without merit. Nature has little use for "toys"
@@alabastardmasterson :D
@@alabastardmasterson toys, predators, unevenly designed environment, or any other stimulation would work
@@alabastardmasterson ok boomer
@@vudi2103 it was an unevenly designed environment and nothing would "work". Rat City as an exception, all of the experiments were made to prove the theory of behavioral sink. Rat City was the only one where he had utopia as the goal and his mistake was forcing the rats to live with unwanted members of their society. They would have played with eachother and entertained eachother. That's not the problem. Even I used to think it was until this video explained to me that they were forced to live with the social outcasts.
(13:23) Perhaps the search for human behavioral sink was inconclusive because most obviously, people filter themselves out; they frequently move in and out of cities.
People also have universalist values that reach towards the divine, which transcends the boundaries of self, family, or even genetic tribe.
However, the object lesson becomes: being stagnant in location or idea diversity + ejecting values that transcend the self, will make people vulnerable to behavioral sink.
The mothers pushed their kids out of the nest too early, like how people put their kids in government-controlled learning facilities as a stand-in.
Rats, we're Rats, we're the Rats. We prey at night, we stalk at night, we're the Rats.
*OI AM DA BIG RAT THAT RULES ALL THE RATS*
aihm the giant rat that makes all of da rules
Let's see what kind of trouble we can get into
I identify as an easy-bake oven but thanks.
@Deus Vult. cake and ice cream is on its way!
Imagine how this would have played out if the rats had discovered alcohol
The same but faster
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rat_Park
I'd imagine q potato famine would ensue...
@@randomanun4278 dude wtf
@@idrisa7909 that was actually very informative, thank you!
He has several needs that are neglected and cause limitations to the study. Mice and rats need to play. They also need intellectual stimulation. They need exercise as well.
Isn't the lack of these things a lot of the point of the experiment?
@jacklewis2491 I think the experiment was meant to justify the inequities of our Western society and ideals socioecominically and politically.
Chock-full of information! Although his first experiment was rudimentary and in a small scale I find it to have had the most raw and uncompromising data.
By the time he got to U25, his most famous experiment, many of us had pointed out multiple serious flaws in the studies. The BSC was born, and the experiments and studies never stopped. They're still ongoing today.
U25 was just the beginning!
After 40+ years of this stuff, I can tell you it's really exciting what we are still discovering!
BSC/PHDS/8&3
@@cherilynnfisher5658 Can you elaborate on BSC / PHDS / 8&3 and what they are?
@@biscottigelato8574 The actual genuine first use and meaning of "BSC" is not to be disclosed or discussed openly in public because the original whole deciphered phrase is now a password used by a tiny band of exclusive elite intellectuals who know about the original conferences where it was born. For colloquial use (like for you) the accepted secondary meaning is; "BSC: Behavioral Sink Conference". There were many more conferences discussing and debating the Universe 25 findings. These never ended! Over the years, "BSC" became an inside joke, of sorts, because so many do not know what it actually means! People started speculating and making stuff up. This has been loads of fun!
"PHDS/8&3" refers to stuff that has to do with human evolution and civilization.
With it, we have a desirable future. Without it we go extinct! Again, constantly being discussed in never ending conferences with global implications and consequences for everyone.
Many blessings! Stay curious! Please stay safe and be well.
My concern with the experiment is that they didn't give the mice anything to do but eat and have sex. Or at least that wasn't explained but, a bored mouse is a bored mouse. I'd go mad too.
The aim of experiment was never to Keep the rat population growing,it was to see what would happen in a rat utopia
exactly! If they'd given them mouse wheels & toys, I'm sure the result would have been VERY different! Even just flavoured food, different foods in different feeding stations probably would have made a difference
@@lilaclizard4504 now I want to know what would happen in the experiment if you were to change the hypothesis like that. reminds me of the rat Park experiment, where they would get rats addicted to opioids and then gave them the option to go to a little Park where there were other rats and toys, it helped them kick the addiction every time.
@@makishimashougo4722 It's not a utopia if they're miserable.
@@makishimashougo4722 The experiment hardly represented utopia considering rats are well known to need environmental enrichment.
The greatest "We Live In A Society" meme was made by rats.
More accurately,
Calhoun made the biggest and possibly first published ever "we live in a society..." post.
@@Krygex rat joker:we life in a society
Rats, we're rats, we're the rats...
We live in A Rat City
They live in cities
This was really well done. That scientist was interesting also
Okay, for everyone commenting on how, “well, duh, of course they were depressed, they were bored, why didn’t he think of that!” He actually did! His later experiments were all focused on trying to fix the behavioral sink issues of his firsts, and involved giving the mice things to do. This is actually where the Author of Mrs Frisby and the Rats of NIMH (the book Secret of NIMH was based on) pulls much of his inspiration! The rat utopia the rats from the book sought to make was based on these later experiments. He even got the name of the main character, Mrs Frisby, from the Frisby Calhoun kept on his lab door for when he needed a little bit of fun too! The problem is that no one really cared too much about Calhouns later experiments, with some fellows saying, “ everyone wanted to hear the diagnosis, no one wanted to hear the cure.” And the fact that they weren’t even mentioned in the video kinda irks me.
Yeah. But Fred usually goes for the bigger hole leaving out the smaller less important subjects. As the experiments as you mentioned were not popular, It would make sense to not cover it as it had less of an effect on the nation's psyche outside of "The rats of NIMH" (great book and movie I might add). For example his video on the SCP foundation mainly covers the original controversy with no update on the lesser arguments in the community or newer ones that have cropped up. I believe by the time he made his Mother Horse Eyes video the book had unofficially been cancelled as you can tell from the responses on the subreddit. I don't think Fred does it deliberately because he has a certain image he wants to show (In fact he has denied this on his second channel), It more had to do that those later experiments and stories would be ground for an entirely different video, and sometimes (especially in this case) there isn't enough content for an hour or half hour video (the general length of this series)
@@benchoflemons398 short response
@@susanivy3619 user tag
Kinda annoyed this video didn't mention rat park, which I do get because its a separate experiment with different researchers, but it's strikingly similar to me in regard to aspects of what provoked it and the difference in result
So did giving the rats activities change the results of the experiment by reducing the social sink?
Imagine being the person that had to count all the mice and rats
"1..2..3.....umm 10..20.30 ..100? Lets just do approximately"
Imagine the smell
evocative01 oh god I didn’t even think about that
The calculations are made by sampling the average number of mice in several determined areas, and that's how you get the approximate number of individuals.
@Caleb nobody is going to great lengths so as to count each one of the mice. So sampling the number of mice on several locations and averaging the number of all samples, gives an approximate, yet closely accurate number with a minimum margin of error, the same way statistics average the samples of representative populations in polls and census.