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Scholes was unbelievable wat a player.
Gerrard a different animal a force of nature had everything.
Gerrard - couldn't win Title with Suarez,Torres
KDB - won Titles without a Striker
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Scholes was a sensational player but Gerrard was just something else. My mother is a Liverpool fan and I will always remember how Gerrard being in the starting line-up inspired her to believe that Liverpool were going to win, no matter the opponent. Only a special player can foster that kind of belief in people who know fine rightly they aren't the best team but can beat anyone if he plays a blinder.
How did your mum react when he slipped?
That says more about your mother than it does about Gerrard.
Your mam must have been disappointed a lot watching Gerrard as rarely did liverpool win every week with Gerrard in the team.
Lampard was another planet compared to Gerrard the stats say it.
Didn’t Gerrard make the world XI 4-5 times? In a midfield 3 in a golden generation of midfielders?
Says it all really.
Scholes came out and said what Liverpool fans have been saying for years - SCHOLES was a Great player - World class, best passer, and unbelievable IQ, always in space but defending? he had ROY Keane playing right next to him he wasn’t a CDM - every time he slapped in a challenge he got a yellow card…… similar with Lampard he had makelele, Essien and obi mikel. Gerard played CDM, CM, AMF, RM…. Had a world class midfield around him for like 2/3 years maybe when he had Alonso and marcherano. Funny when he had that around him for those two years he got he’s closest ever in winning the league. The dude was Roy of the Rovers (youngstas won’t get this)
Scholes was a great tackler and never got yellow carded all the time
Scholes was being modest. 10 times the player of slippy Gerrard.
@@alibabashero yeah that’s really a genuine assessment backed by a justifiable argument with no bias - call him a name and that about settles it 🤦🏾♂️
@@dondamon4669 what are u smoking?
@mundojones6243 Scholes 11 PL titles to Gerrard who has 0. I think that settles it alright rather than listening to the BS coming from you. Lmao. Gerrard was a good all rounder but never had the class of Scholes. Take care buddy.
Chelsea fan here. For me Gerrard without a doubt. He always seemed a standout; tenacious, workrate, insane shot, tackled, could pass, he always seemed to me much more complete. And on top of that, he was a match winner, he would grab a game by the scruff of the neck and drag the whole team with him.
Cos Scholes has never done that
@@mister3566 as I mentioned above, in my view Gerrard was more complete and was definitely more of a match winner
@@FlailheadGaming Man city, Barcelona.
@@mister3566correct, he's never done that as good as gerrard
@@thecrankedamps Correct. He never won the prem like Scholes did.
Gerrard for me. One of the greatest players of his era. Leader, big game player, bg occasion players, played with some poo and still excelled.
Chelsea fan here, Gerrard was unreal. A total all rounder. In his prime he was unplayable
Will Liverpool ever find another Steven Gerrard ever ever again?
Gerrard was a complete midfielder
Complete with no PL titles
@@alibabashero we talking about player not medals. Shcoles is bihind a lot of midfields in premier
@@aidatola531Bru just google peoples opinions on Scholes. The best players and mangers of all time think Scholes is the best midfielder of his generation. The Barcelona academy would show the kids videos of Scholes to show them how to play the Barca way.
@aidatola531 Scholes was far better. Gerrard was a good all rounder but never had the skills of Scholes pinpoint passing. It hurts LFC fans but these are the facts.
@@alibabashero yeh 💯. Gerrard was exceptional in many aspects of his game but Scholes has a claim to be the goat in terms of passing and dictating play.
For Gerrard to perform like that with all that pressure, captain of the team and most of time, a lot better than his teammates. No disrespect to Scholes who is still my top 5 midfielders of all time.
Not much pressure, no expectation for Liverpool to win trophies year in year out. United had huge pressure each year and acholes still remained a starter. If his performances dipped he'd have been taken out, if gerrard dips, he's still tye first name on the sheet. Gerrard is a big fish in a small pond.
Both great players but Gerrard was one of the most complete midfielders in the game. He also played much of his career with niggling injuries. Scholes was an amazing player too. Gerrard just edges it for me.
Na Scholes all day. Never slipped up in the crucial moments.
@@alibabasherothat's some bullsh*t right there, how u putting one slip over winning an fa cup and ucl almost single handed. Gerrard is within a percent of the other greats mentioned in every single category if not better in most.
@@alibabashero scholes and sheringham disagree with u lmao
@jack28aug Nope Scholes was just being modest. He only has to show his trophy cabinet to Slippy g and the conversation is over. Scholes was an expert in the role that he did. Slippy g was just an all good rounder and good player but no where near as good as Scholes or Keane. I don't need to prove this. History shows it.
@@alibabashero you probably think Luke Chadwick is a better player than Gerrard because he has a PL winners medal. Scholes played in much better teams with much better players around him. It's not hard to understand.
Scholes explained it perfectly really. You'd want to be seriously committed to carry a team for a decade. Not even just commitment, but blessed with natural athletic ability!
Did he slip when carrying them.
When you realize Roy Keane had to play against Petit and Viera you remember how great he really was.
Best duals since Robson and Souness
Gerrard played against Pirlo seedorf and kaka in a European cup final and won it on his own basically scored and won the pen for xabi
How’s scholes better to compare a dwarf who couldn’t run to a engine like Gerrard
@@chipmcguire01 haha video must of skipped mate 👌
Let's remember Fergie wanted to sign Gerrard. What does that tell you, even man himself wanted Gerrard over Scholes or Keane etc doing that time.
No… he was looking at a Keane replacement as Keane entered his 30s. Not a scholes replacement
More false hype 🥱 It was well documented that he was gonna be Keane's(33) replacement. Scholes remained in that team for another decade & still hasn't been replaced. Gerrard left Liverpool coz Emre Can was picked ahead of him against Madrid & Henderson filled Gerrards boots, no problem... what does that tell you?
They were both absolutely wonderful players but both had their edges in terms of ability:
Scholes was ahead of Gerrard in terms technical ability, positional awareness and reading of the game.
When it comes to passing I think Scholes had the smallest edge in his short range passing, but its so minimal - both were excellent passers and could dictate play with their range of passing. I'd argue Gerrards long balls were a fraction better than Scholes, not only could he ping it from deep but he was excellent at crossing on the run.
Both as we know were great goal-scorers both scoring many spectacular goals - very hard to call who was better from this pov other than looking at the stats
But the biggest difference between them was Scholes never had the same level of athleticism as Gerrard. From an engine pov Scholes is nowhere near peak Gerrard. We all know that Gerrard could run all day, one of the best engine's I have ever seen in European football.
Also Gerrards versatility, he could play anywhere on the park, he was an effective wide player if needed because he had the pace to beat his man, the crossing ability and the engine to go up and down. Scholes was nowhere near as effective in those kind of areas.
Also worth mentioning was one of the most underrated aspects of Gerrard was his speed in his peak years. I once saw him outpace Agbonlahor in a straight half pitch sprint when Agbonlahor had come on as a sub. I've seen Gerrard keep up with Kaka, and outpace Andy Johnson who was pretty fast in his time.
Also yet to mention - Scholes tackling ability was a running joke for football pundits and commentators, where as Stevie G was a colossus when it came to tackling and the physical side of the game.
BTW - Im an Arsenal fan, so no real bias here.
I also think the better argument to have than Scholes vs Gerrard is Scholes vs De Bruyne
He didn’t outpace Demba Ba and anyhow they both couldn’t lace Frank Lampards boots.
He was past his peak in terms of speed by then and struggled with his fitness too at that point. I'm talking prime years Stevie - he was very fast, not great acceleration but once he got to full speed he was v quick. Remember Redknapp stating that over longer distance sprints Gerrard was quicker than Owen.
All that typing just eventually tell us what you don't know what you're on about 🤣
Also not a city fan but kdb is far better than Gerard
43 yr old United fan from Old Trafford here.
Despite the fact I detest Gerrard, he was a beast of a player and the only player in the league who could have possibly kept Keane out of the team playing alongside Scholes, had he played for united.
Scholes's assessment of himself and Gerrard is spot on too.
Why do you detest him? You've never even met him. Have a day off.
@thecrankedamps you wouldn't believe me if I told you
@-The-Darkside I said possibly.
The problem with England was trying to fit Gerrard and lampard together when really we should have been playing Gerrard and Scholes in the same way united played keane and Scholes.
You couldn't put frank with Scholes as Scholes couldn't tackle to save his life lol
You need that tough tackling midfielder next to him.
Scholes would do the dirty work, it was just a card everytime he did put a foot in.
@@craig1669go on now you have to tell us😂
Gerrard keeping Keane out of a team. Lmao. Yea right!
No question its Gerrard. Scholes was bloody good, even great, but Gerrard turned losing games into wins over & over again. He carried the pressure of the whole club on his shoulders & dragged Liverpool over the line week in week out. With all due respect to Scholes Gerrard was in his own class.
Yet, he dragged Liverpool to zero league titles.
While Scholes got his mitts on twelve of them. Nothing more to say.
@@pleasantville4529By your logic, Darren Flatcher is better than Gerrard aswell.
@@SuperJJParker I suppose so. Or Maybe Fletcher was playing alongside a far superior player.
I think Scholes was the better one but I think gerrards style of play resonates more with the English
Official Uefa's all time midfielders are Xavi, Iniesta and Gerrard . Gerrard was miles ahead in Europe and in England.
@@toc1124 over Zidane? Modric? Ok
Scholes achieved more, but Gerrard was so complete. Athletically, he had more; was fast, he could tackle, great in the air, he was strong, not to mention he legendary engine. You might say Scholes had a better touch, but Gerrard had a greater range of passing. Scholes controlled games more with his metronomic passing, but he never took games by the scruff of the neck like Gerrard did, putting the team on his back. Gerrard was more of a match winner, goals and assists/ clutch moments. He was certainly a better goal scorer. Tactically, Scholes probably had more in terms of reading the game, although defensively, Gerrard probably had more (Scholes often looked exposed when he had players running at him and had to make a tackle). There are things Scholes is better at, there are things Gerrard is better at, but if you look at their weaknesses, Gerrard doesn’t really have any, and all the things Scholes does better, Gerrard still does really well. You can’t really say that about Scholes. Not to mention what Gerrard offered as a leader of men. I think Scholes’s assessment is correct.
I bloody love Scholes for explaining it how he did
Gerrard had everything paul scholes had and more, just remember, man u and chelsea wanted gerrard. Gerrard was another level, once in a life time player.
They were both great and were different players. It should have been Gerrard and Scholes together and Lampard on the bench.
Gerrard was the iconic centre midfielder, but, if you were looking for something other than Gerrard then Look no further than Pail Scholes.
Xabi Alonso twice as good as Scholes.
Central midfield, engine room, 13 PL titles. People talk as if everyone on the pitch has the same job, to score goals, they don't! Although Scholes did score over a hundred.
Scholes for me coming out of retirement to win the premiership lad just controlled games better than Gerrard ever could both class tho
Gerrard was perfect for English Football,
But I feel like Europeans (Spanish & Italians) appreciate scholes more
Uefa's all time midfielders list. Xavi, Iniesta, Gerrard. Your feelings are based on nothingness.
This stupid debate all over again. They weren't even similar.
When they both played as box to box midfielders, Gerrard was alot better but when they both dropped deeper, honestly don't think there was a better deep lying playmaker then Scholes. Both way too different to be compared properly
Completely agree (coming from a Utd fan)
💯 ( A Utd fan) boring comparison
KDB is actually left foot not right foot tells you, how these two know the game.
The old Lampard, Scholars and Gerrard dilemma was solved but ignored in arguably England's greatest victory of the last 30 years when England beat Germany 5-1 in their own backyard with Scholes and Gerrard in the line up. Case closed.
When scholes says he couldn't do what gerrard did he meant run, tackle, beat a man, header. Gerrard had everything physically, but schole's football IQ was a bit higher for sure. Personally Gerrard wins this debate but they were both simply incredible.
both legends for me.. i agree with scholes as well, they was very different beasts.. ill go with steve g but.. if you asked me would i have sholes in my team? no questions one of the best in the pl for sure.
sholes gerrad and lampard
youtube highlights reels shows it all. better goalscorer from distance, better in defense, better in attack, better athlete, better champions league matchwinner. Almost every young talented midfielder we watch today worshipped Gerrard. (Szobo, KDB, and many more)
You forgot League winner......... o wait, never mind.
People who don’t think Scholes is better, knows nothing about football.
0 titles too.
@@-The-Darksidebut they didn't though, they all talked about Gerrard.
CZcams highlight reels shows it all. That comment alone says all you need to know about young football fans nowadays.
Scholes was the conducter ,slippy g was just an honest grafter .
Honest grafter lol you are a very funny guy pal
How does the man United fan not know Giggs played in the centre? That was the only position he played in his last few years 😂
Love goldstein wetting himself over Becks, the fact of the matter is goldenballs was wayyy overrated. Both Seb Larsson and Mata had better goals per free kick percentages. Ward-Prowse is quality also. To burn the man utd spot on becks and overlook Keane, Scholes, Carrick is a joke. Gerrard is the most rounded central midfielder imho who had clutch moments throughout his career.
When one is NOT surrounded by good players, it requires so much more of every skill that does not even exist‼️ Gerrard is the top of the very best👌‼️
Gerrard is the reason why I started watching football back in 2004
Scholes for me and that's coming from a Bert. First came across him when I saw him training at Boundary Park Juniors. He was something else then too
Goldstein not having Gerrard in any these categories. Fellas a drip
Gerard the better athlete, Scholes is an artist with his better footballing brain.
Gerrard was class but Scholes just had something so special about his game
Oh dear Andy. Did he just say Yaya Toure could’ve broken Lampards goal record as a midfielder if he’d been here longer?
Just for context, Toure had 7 seasons in the premier league where he played 25 or more league games and 30+ games in all competitions in those seasons. In those 7 seasons, he got into double figures in the league twice, and in the other 5 seasons, he scored 6 goals in the league every year. His goal record was 1 in 4 for city, which is very good for a centre midfielder, but his goal scoring is nothing compared to Lampard.
Lampard scored double figures in goals in the league for 10 seasons straight. 03/04 through till 12/13, he scored 10 or more league goals. He scored 15 or more league goals in 3 separate seasons from midfield, and in all competitions, Lampard scored 20+ goals in six different seasons. At 35 years old, Lampard scored 15 league goals in 29 games.
In comparison, when Toure was 35, he played 2 games for olympiacos in the Greek league.
Lampards goals record for Chelsea was 211 in 648. He averaged 1 in 3 over a far larger scale of games.
Lampard is head and shoulders above all other midfielders as the greatest goal scoring midfielder ever
Scholes all day long. Gerrard played in an average team, and given licence. Indisciplined in role. Scholes won multiple PLs and CL against higher quality and was more disciplined.
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Stormzy
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Gerrard could play cm,cdm,10,rW,Lw,false 9 ,right full he could play anywhere. The complete player
As a Newcastle fan, Gerrard & comfortably too.
The disrespect to Xabi Alonso is crazy. Passing range and vision was absolutely insane.
The best 10 central midfielders in prem history are actually quite easy to name in no particular order, if you were to say Keane, Viera, Gerrard, D. Silva, KDB, Scholes, Lampard, Fabregas, Yaya, Kante...you'd get very few dissenting voices on that opinion.
Putting them in order or nailing it down to a Top 5 becomes a minefield cos it brings in all sorts of biases that we all have as football fans.
Suffice to say, they were / are all amazing.
They are both great I could see scholes playing for barcalona and Steven gerrard playing for madrid. But personally I’m taking scholes
All those criteria was just describing Bryan Robson 😂
Gerrard played with average/ decent teammates whereas scholes was surrounded by world class players…. Both would piss the league these days as the standard of football is nowhere near what it used to be, especially defending is shocking in today’s game 🤷🏻♂️
Yesterday was Rooney VS Bellingham, now Scholes VS Gerard. These guys always have to put down Manchester United players.
You could be more positive and say that's bigging up man utd players.
Gerrard best no question.. funny Scholes not even got a mention.. 😂😂
Left foot, van Der vaart, right foot Beckham, Engine Kante, passing/vision De Bruyne, tackling/aggressive Viera. Finisher Lampard.
I thought they were only allowing 1 player from a team, Goldstein has 2 City players in Yaya and KDB
Scholes is one of the best players to ever lace a pair of boots, there is no debate. The most underrated player of all time, that man was special coming from a Man City fan.
“There is no debate” as he posts an opinion 90% of people disagree with
@@RegionFly90% of people use to think the world was flat.
Pep, xavi, Zidane and iniesta all called him the best midfielder in the world.
And xavi is the best midfielder of all time. High praise indeed.
@@basicfilmblog Lampard and Scholes themselves have said Gerrard was better. Zidane, SAF, Mourinho, Viera, Totti, Pirlo, Kaka, messi, and so many others have said Gerrard is the best midfielder on the planet, high praise am I right?
@@RegionFly xavi, iniesta and peps opinions carry more weight for me.
Xavi Hernández: "Paul Scholes! A role model. For me, he's the best central midfielder I've seen in the last 15, 20 years. He's spectacular.
Pele - talking about Stevie G in his peak years: "The fans, they look only for forwards, always a forward. Somebody who scores. Sometimes you have a player like Gerrard. For me, for the last five years Gerrard has been the best player in the world.
By your logic VVD is the best ever CB because Maldini said so…….come off it, gerrard is clear of Scholes.
@@-The-DarksideBrazilian Ronaldo and Ibrahimovic never won the champions league does that make them bad players. Djimi traore won the champions league. Luke Chadwick won the premier League your point is irrelevant
Xavi Alonso deserves a menton. Insane passing range
If you had 11 Steven Gerrard's on the pitched you'd win everything
Stevie G could play at international level at every position apart from GK. I struggle to think of many other footballers you could say the same.
A Utd can that doesn’t even know Giggs played CM🤣🤣
KVB over Becks. The latter was great at those taking longer passes. But he often needed space. KVB's can pass out of tight areas and thread balls through impossible angles.
Left foot - David Silva
Right foot - Scholes
Passing & Vision - Modric
Engine - Gerard
Tackling & aggression - Viera
Finishing - Lampard
Scholes best English midfielder
Left foot - Xavi Alonso ( Liverpool )
Right Foot - KDB ( City )
Engine - Park Ji Sung ( United )
Passing & Vision - Ozil / Cazorla ( Arsenal )
Tackling - Kante ( Leicester )
Scoring - Lampard ( Chelsea )
Scholes spot on there,perfect explanation of there difference
Scholes was a brilliant player but he summed it up perfectly himself: Stevie was more athletic: quicker, stronger, COULD tackle as well as having the passing range that PS had. He also had more goals and dragged LFC to wins at times all on his own, some, as we all know, on the biggest stage.
Awful comparison. IMO Scholes is more Xavi; that's a better comparison. He's not an all-rounder, like Gerrard or Lampard, or in today's world KdB, Modric and Bellingham.
They proved it was scholes in the sun. Full page article.
Scholes all day. Gerrard slipped too many times throughout a game.
Scholes
but I’d take KDB over both
A better comparison would be Keane or Gerrard, I'd take Keane
Scholes is bang on , very honest answer fair play to him
Individual awards =
Paul Scholes - 14
Steven Gerrard - 38
There's your answer!!
Not an answer
@@-The-Darkside that just means Man United were better than Liverpool 🙈😂
Both are completely different players. Both were two of the finest to ever grace the game. I think Gerrard was the more complete midfielder who won games on his own for Liverpool which is something Scholes couldn't do himself as Scholes himself explained but then Gerrard couldn't do what Scholes always did set the tempo of the game spraying accurate passes constantly the intelligence the footballing IQ that Scholes processed was unbelievable. I mean the fact that Scholes has had some of the finest ever midfielders & managers past & present all say he was the best midfielder of his generation says it all for me & they know better than anybody.
Gerrard by far he's the best all round midfielder ever
Two different type of players playing different roles. Both quality!! YNWA!!
Passing and vision had to be scholes. No one was as good as him. People just look at long range passing when choosing this but in tighter areas is where you see players real vision
Left-footed player: David Silva, HANDS DOWN!!!
Scholes.
Who is the best midfielder of the Premier League era? Difficult.
Viera comes to mind.
Roy Keane.
Steven Gerrard.
Kevin de Bruyne.
N'Golo Kante.
Any of them.
Gerrard was like Scholes keane giggs and beckham rolled into one
Gerrard for a one off game , example a final .
Scholes if its for long term
Goldstein the most buyest on this show .. SG was miles better than
Scholes … typical Man U fan rose tinted glasses ..
gerrard! hands down ❤
Scholes
Vieira Keane Gerrard
Would be the best prem midfield
Pointless argument. Both unbelievable and both completely different. Scholes should be compared to xavi, pirlo, ziko, platini and didi. Gerrard should be compared to Zidane, cruyff, matthaus and charlton. All great players that you’d want in your team. The argument should be how did England waste the talent they had with a steady stream of shite managers.
Darren Bent hating that Keano was put in 🤣🤣
Gerrard is similar to Pogba and Iniesta can do everything and an athlete. Scholes is like Pirlo and Xavi different players
I'd smack you if I was your father. Out here comparing Gerrard to pogba.
@@FurioussBearprofile wise they're obviously similar. Talent wise, pogba is obviously more talented, but Gerrard was more hardworking.
@@FountainOfYoot only talent pogba has is dyeing his hair and getting injured
Iniesta was a completely different player what are you chatting about
@FurioussBear Gerrard won 0 titles in 18 years passing about at a shity mid table Liverpool team. Pogba won world cup nation leagues euros titles in Italy, even trophies at the worst utd team ever. Pogba is much more talented than Gerrard ⏰️ up 😄
Scholes all day! If the dude played in Italy they would call him the GOAT.
no disrespect to scholes bc he was an amazing footballer, but steven gerrard i felt just had that world class level being one of the best midfielders itw in his prime.
A lot of Scousers on here over playing Gerards ability based on the fact he was the only real decent player they had for a long time yeah he'd of been a decent bench player st united but in them poor Liverpool teams he stuck out like a sore thumb
Exactly slippy Gerrard was and still is completely overrated by livarpool fans.
David Silva was a magician to be fair.
There’s no debate, gerrard had the weakest team around him and still outshined lampard and scholes. Also don’t chat about kdb, he’s injured half the season
Scholes, Keane and especially Giggs would of won ballon dors if went abroad like the biggest teams wanted
Its Gerrard - then everyone else, the debate should be lampard vs scholes
Scholes was xavi & iniesta like. But what Gerrard did in the champions league final & the 07 fa cup final. You won’t get that from any other midfielder.
Different players but its easy.... scholes.
It's not even comparable folks, look at the stats.. Not trophies stats.. Even Fergie never rated Scholes in the big games.... Only reason people rate Scholes is because he was short, squat and technically clean and tidy because of his stunted limbs.
Roy Keane's engine above all else.