Hand Plane Restoration | Stanley Bedrock 604-1/2 Resurrection
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- čas přidán 26. 09. 2021
- Hand Plane Restoration. Rob Cosman shows you how to restore an old Stanley bedrock 604-1/2 hand plane that was found in an old barn. If you want to do hand plane restoration then dont miss this video.
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Спасибо за видео! Великолепный результат!
I have a 605 1/2 that I need to clean up, thanks for the help!
Watching you restore old tools is fun. I would love to see a detailed video like this one where you restore a woodworking machine. Thanks.
Thanks for the idea!
I was hoping to see it working! Good job on the restoration. I have my grandfather's #5 Stanley Bailey to restore. He died in 1965 after a long career in carpentry. I'm sure he'd be proud to see me use his tools.
You should do it. You are right, he'd be so proud.
I agree...restore it
Excellent work!!! I recently refurbished one of these.
yo Rob.. great stuff and it's good to see I'm not the only guy wrapping my driver handles like my Sherwoods. Thanks as always madman. You are the MAN!
Hey Ron, this is a great video! I this history and Wood working is the two best things on earth! Thank you very much for this post. Your fan John Nation
When I discovered some woodworking channels that used hand planes and other hand tools, I purchased several hand planes on the common auction site. All were in need of restoration, some far more than any sane person would attempt. I always wire wheeled the post de-rusted plane parts, discovering that rust gets under the japanning and it flakes off quite easily after the soak. I like the wire wheeled steel/iron look, (didn't want to redo japanning mostly). I found the black oxide left over from the rust removal comes off easily with the wire wheel I use on my drill press. Mine are all users so a smoother finish was the goal. I now have a Woodriver 5-1/2 as you recommended, and yes, I should have saved my money on all those other planes and purchased the Woodriver a long time ago. Ignorance of the planes available did help me to learn to restore even the most hopeless planes into working tools. Being a stubborn Irishman wouldn't let a tool beat me. I learned a great deal about the fit and finish of the mass produced planes. I am really happy that I discovered you channel. The older English dude I started with (my age as well) in my CZcams journey is moved to a sometimes watch, yours I never miss. Once again, thanks for sharing your skills and methods.
Can't go wrong with Rob.
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So glad you find our channel helpful. Keep watching and we will keep filming
Great to see you do one of these videos. The correct strip down is important. I'd worry that some might hit the casting a little harder and crack the part. I'd forgotten about the tiny dimples to show the direction of hols. Thanks Rob 👍
That why I emphasized how delicate I was tapping it
Great video. I’m sure your efforts will encourage others and help save some wonderful old tools that might otherwise get tossed in a landfill.
I certainly hope so
Quedó como nueva!
Great Video with useful information for many! Cleaning up an old casting and using screw extractors is becoming a lost art, particularly with young people. Did a similar recovery on my Grandfather's Stanley #5, and it works decently. Watched your video down here in North Georgia, while the Red Green Show was running on a local channel -- now that can't be a coincidence...
So where in North Georgia - dahlonega? That's Luthere home Turf...he is from Clemson
We're 45 min. south in Roswell, but I'm originally from Canada. Like Luther, we're also a U.S. Army family, with a son that's a Comms Sergeant in the 1st Infantry Div., Demon Brigade helicopter squadron. Also, my Dad served on the HMCS Levis in WWII, mainly out of Halifax. Really like your channel & website!
Nice.
Thnaks
protect the bench rob !
Thats why I brought out the white laminate
love all your stuff rob , I'm a vet myself British army with the engineers then marines then SBS
Anyway I have lots of friends and allies that I could point towards the PHP
im ok but you may be able to help out a mate of mine or a few,,,
Just keep on keeping on
What you are doing along with the rest of your family is medal worthy.
Thanks to you all .
Simple Green works good for that first step removing dirt and grime as well.
Love your hockey tape handles on hammer and screw driver. Very Canadian
My mom just found me a #4 bedrock in real good shape. Spent 2 hours getting a little rust off. Works so good.
That is some kinda mom!
buy an after market plane blade set for it and you will take it to the next level
Love your accent. “Let’s get these pins oout!”
Nice find and clean up, I'd have had to give the body and everything else a bit of love with the steel wool though and try and bring back some colour/metal look to them. Probably would have tried to get it back to working properly, if I didn't have to remove too much of the old patina/history from the parts.
Evap-o-Rust is the stuff to use, in my experience. Non toxic and reusable. I’ve restored a couple Stanleys with it to fully operational.
We followed the recommendation of Project Farm’s video.
czcams.com/video/6-MC_ZEXQbw/video.html
My dad, a toolmaker, recommends soaking in lemon juice for rust removal.
Great work. I now do not feel intimidated by restoring one on my own.
Excellent
We should all look so good after ~100 years! ;)
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Rob, consider getting a set of left-handed drill bits to go with your extractor set. In some cases, if the screw moves when you drill it, the left twisting bit will bring it out on its own.
I learned that trick when I worked as a CNC lathe operator... saved me from getting yelled at for breaking off screws on the tool holders more often than I care to admit :)
Hey, Rob. On that blade screw -> use a small hammer and just tape it a few times. It causes the screw to dislodge ever so slightly and becomes a ton easier to undo. :)
You should try a product called PB Blaster that is a type of penetrating oil that works really well, much better than WD-40. This would really aid in the disassembly process, and help with getting the broken tote screws out.
Great video!!!
I recently saw a very good penetration oil shoot odd on CZcams Seafoam penetrating oil beat the pants off all others...Check it out
50/50 mix of transmission fluid and acetone beats all of them. seafoam does work very well though and would be better in a shop setting.
Good find! Hardly ever see any of the Bed Rocks over here where I am (Norway).
Am a bit surprised how firmly that frog was to the sole. I think some WD-40 and a bit of time would do wonders before starting the restoration.
Good job though!
I wonder if it would lead to any «changes» in the Cosmanite household if the mrs would happen to see this video? 😋🤗🤣
I should have used more penetrating oil
I have restored my step-Fathers Craftsman #5264, 1.96” wide by 0.008” blade. The crazy thing is the adjustment knob adjusts the blade just opposite of what we are now used to.
Yes they did make some what they call "left handed" threads
I wanted to see the Stanley label on the blade.... Nice collection. I just retired and sold my 50 yr. collection, had over 300 planes... I'm down to the LNs and Bedrocks, just can't seem to let go of them.
Good little video. Should name that plane Lazarus.
Good one!
I’ll take the 4 1/2 you sacrificed for the bedrock. I’ve been hunting for a 4 1/2 to restore!
Its now my parts bin
I use clear vinegar to remove rust, very cheap and effective.
Lot of rust! You look like a mad scientist at 9:10 😂🧪
I feel like one too!
For anyone attempting this yourself....... use a penetrating oil to loosen everything up before disassembly....... there will be reduced risk of breakage. And please dont lever against the side wings and the frog.
Oil is your friend, you wont have to lever against anything if you oil everything first, dont do it dry 😁
Good tops, yea I should not have done that
Pura vida I like stanley bench plane but I prefer those Stanley planes made in England instead of Made in USA my reason those made in England are made with casting more sturdy than made in USA.great job Rob the BedRock brand was famous
Gday Mr cosman, great video really enjoyed it, what sort of grinder and wheel was that you used to sharpen that iron ? Keep up the great work all the way from Australia 🇦🇺
Cheers
Beau
That unpolished, almost gun blue from the anti rust is kind of nice. Damn shame it isn’t going to get used though. Been trying to find a bedrock locally for years
They are hard to find
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KROIL is a rust removal used in fine antique firearms. It's very gentle but also very through. It looks a bit like transmission fluid. Apply a thin coat and then wipe off with a paper towel or brass wool, such as the amount of rust may dictate.
G 96 is a spray on gun cleaner and lubricant that I've used for well over 40 years. It's an excellet product to prevent rust. Smells a bit like Juici-fruit gum. A light coat is all that is needed.
Great tip
I found a 605 1/2 that went through two floods. Daughter of carpenter grandfather asked $30. I gave her $40. It cleaned up to look very close to new, not pitting.
If you want to restore that plane to a genuine, original condition then send it off to Hand Tool Rescue. He's Canadian and he specialises in restoring very old/antique tools and machinery. Look up his CZcams channel. :)
thanks for the tip
You enjoy them more when ya bring em back from the dead!
Sweet equity!
I so glad you finally found one . But don’t you sleep ? Lol
never
Jesus rob ! Tell me your canadian without telling me your canadian. You got hockey tape on half your hand tools 😂. I do the same
I noticed that it's a corrugated bottom plane; what is your opinion of the corrugated bottom? I know you use the wax to reduce friction, do you notice an additional improvement in that friction reduction using a corrugated plane?
Nice work Rob. I know the screw came out in the end, but you could have used donor tote to get the angle to drill for the extractor. Why does the adjuster have a left hand thread? Do you know why Stanley stopped making the Bedrock style planes? I assume it was cost inspired.
Left hand thread is so when you spin it in the direction that your mind would think to be advancing the blade, it does. Think “righty tighty, lefty loosey.” My assumption for discontinuing the Bedrocks is that the professional market for a handplane had diminished enough that they weren’t selling many.
Can you pls do a video of making the wall display or if not atleast a video of the finished display. Would love to see how it turns out.
Try electrolysis, did that for a few planes I found as I'm starting my collection. Works wonders, no nasty chemicals and no damage to the good iron.
Do you have the Stanley 113 in your collection? I’m about to recondition one. Plan to use it building rocking chairs
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4,369 viewsOct 17, 2020. (Hi was thinking you might like to look at Dave's wall mounted planes, it might be of interest to you as you are going to display your Bedrocks. Cheers from Tasmania )
As a Vet on disability , thanks
I know you don't favor low angle jack planes, but what are your thoughts on the mouth adjusters of those? On that area, front mouth adjusters look more convenient than the bedrock adjustment. I wonder if front adjusters makes sense to put in a high angle planes. 🤔 Haven't used a low angle or bedrock, I'm really curious how they compare on convenience and performance when it comes to mouth adjustment.
Well some newer designed standard angle bench planes do have an adjustable toe plate. Manufactured correctly they work well, but so does the bedrock design
You schood call this video. How to make a nicely looking Hand plane from a binn of rust. Greatly made. Thanks that wood don't rusts.
Good idea
Using a little a heat to loosen screws or steel pieces rusted together after soaking in any of the rust removers will make your life much easier, it does,int take a lot even a hair dyer will work and heat cycling - warm-cool will suck a penetrating oil in to a joint, but time is your friend - lot it soak over night.
Great tip
I like what you did, but I was selfishly hoping you'd clean it up, paint it, and make it a working plane. I bought a rusty Miller Falls no. 22 that I plan to give a full makeover and I thought I'd pick up some pointers on painting, etc.
Sorry but that is scheduled for a different video
Thanks for sharing. I have to say I stopped breathing when you started prying with a screw driver and hammering the frog, even though I'm sure you know what you're doing.
Hi Rob. What is the brand of the main screwdriver you use for hand plane adjustments? I can see it's hollow-ground.
Its the one we sell on our website
I have a 5-1/4 Bailey that is in good working condition. I know that it is at least 70 years old.
Rob,
You have described how you prepare the cap iron in a newer model plane. Could you describe how to do this this on an old style cap iron in restoring an old plane with the traditional cap iron as in this video or direct me to some information to accomplish this?
Your woodwork is an inspiration, but Rob, seriously. WD-40 is a thing. Would have made taking that apart a lot less of a trial. LOL
It's pretty cool that the original Japaning was still there under all that grime inside the body casting. With a minimum of further work, that plane would work again as well as the day it was made.
This gem could absolutely be brought back to working condition. Just not my plan
where did you get decent bolt/stud extractors? not crappy tire i assume!
Time for an ultrasonic cleaner... are the rock levelers available, or on backorder?
Sold out the first batch
Another way to get the rust off is electrollist
Are the castings heat treated at all? If not you could throw it in the oven at ~100C then oil it. Would suck the oil into the metal nicely.
Good idea with many tools but for this that might soften the japanning.
I am pretty sure they were not
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I have an old plane like this, but with a 2 5/8" blade - a size I have never seen, before.
There is no maker's name.
Is a 2 5/8" blade uncommon?
That size is used on a No. 8
What sanding pad did you use???
Klingspor sand flex, green, medium grit
What was the block that you used to remove the rust on the iron?
Sandflex block (green). We sell them on our website
@@RobCosmanWoodworking thanks!
Not to shabby for an old timer, talking about the plane not Rob 👍😅
Same thing !!!!!!
10:00 or maybe just buy some more Krud Cutter!
Bailey No 1 is a unicorn
You mean it does not exist??
I wonder why you don’t make a new knob and tote?
It pains me when people 'restoring' things force rusted pieces apart or hit on them. Use some penetrating oil to loosen things up!
It is painfull indeed!!
Good tip
Not related to this restoration but is too general planes and wood craft and their planes. How come they make a no 1 but not a no 2. Same thing with no 5 they make the 5 , the 5 1/2 but not the 5 1/4 .was that on purpose they make 9 of the 11 just was a curious question.
I think they look at what sells based on what folks use. Exception being the #1, sell a lot of them because it’s cute!
Measure the width of that lever cap Rob. I may have a spare one that I could give you.
Thanks..will get back to you
Why not invest in a Hock blade and cap iron?
for display in "working" condition.
You skipped the brass polishing / cleaning … still can’t figure that out.
Wire wheel ...
Do you have a link for the rust remover you used?
It’s called Krud Kutter
I was hoping you were going to use your own corrosion inhibitor "Cosmaline."
Good one!!!!
I have everyone that your missing .
Ugh . Finding the 5-1/4 is killing me
I guess spraying WD40 or some other loosening agent was out of the question prior to disassembly. Glad you mentioned early it would not be restored to working condition so I didn't have to watch the entire video. "Hey, we're going to restore this car but it won't be running."
You know what they say about opinions, right?
They are just like assholes, everyone has one and they all stink.
Not really sure why you felt compelled to inject your negativity on this video, but you do you boo.
I have a Stanley plane I kind of restored I'll send you a pic let me know if it's one your looking for
Hey Rob! I just did the same thing to a very old Stanley, had to break out the bridgeport, but I got it working like a dream.
czcams.com/video/JXoGC2M7mnU/video.html
Thanks for the link
@@RobCosmanWoodworking Hey bud! Thanks for your vids too :)
I’d chase those threads W/a Tap after removing the broken bits. 👍
It is a resurrection if it doesn't work? It's not really back to life, is it? More of a zombie tool.
Resurrection means its back from the dead....its no longer dead, soooo
Looks a little out of place with that highly polished brass knob!
It will patina up pretty quick snd blend in nicely
@@RobCosmanWoodworking guess it will 😁
Sorry, I'm kind of a nube. What's the big deal about the "Bedrock" brand? Was it the FIRST "modern" hand plane, or something?
They were the professional line of planes made by Stanley.
@@RobCosmanWoodworking aahh. Thank you.
No, it can't be saved. It's only a bedrock. Send it to me.
If only you spoke up sooner!!!!!!
What? That's not a restoration. Rob, you're a white collar cabinet maker.
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So-in other words.. wash the CRUD off before using a product literally called “CRUD-KUTTER?!?🤔😳😖😂😂😂