THIS IS WHY MTB HARDTAILS ARE SO IMPORTANT!!
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- čas přidán 10. 01. 2023
- The new Marin San Quentin has launched and it’s an unreal hardtail MTB. Hardtails are a key ingredient to learning to ride mountain bikes properly and even experience downhill or enduro riders would agree that aggressive hardtails add an element of fun and involvement to all styles of riding. Check out my review of the new San Quentin bike that I’ve done a custom build on.
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You're on the money Matt. I built a hard tail after years of riding full suspension and after 1 summer it became my primary bike and my enduro rig collected dust. I equate it to driving a manual vs driving an automatic - hardtails make you work for it and truly feel the experience of the bike.
When you peddle and pump a full suspension bike all the energy is lost into the shocks so your constantly working twice as hard just to stay at a speed thats enjoyable half the time i lock my front forks out and ride my bike like a proper jump bike or big bmx unless your doing stair sets you dont really need alot of travel in the forks ive done some pretty big jumps and drops wrapped the edrailer gear selecter thing into my back wheel loads of times but never snapped or broke any forks and there just bog standard exc amazon forks exaxt same as rockshocks
Man you said it! My favorite bike is my hardtail. So many skills you learn as well. I love this San Quentin I must have one
@@catalickconverta6823 they’re not the same as rockshox
Easy to fall in love hardtails crazy how long the full sus has been on the ceiling
@@eamonmartin9289 ride the same cost the same and look the same🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕
As a lifelong hardtail rider.... I approve of this content!
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@JustJake77
Same here mate and I still love 'em
That Fiesta ST vs Hardtail comparison is spot on. If you've ever heard someone say it's more fun to drive a slow car fast then a fast car slow, the same kind of applies to the hardtail. But the hardtail isn't the slow car. It's just different.
Plus as a BMX rider, there are SO many MTB riders who are quite lacking with their bike skills riding like $6,000 bikes on rather basic trails. I mean anyone can spend their money how they see fit. But people should really start out on a hardtail. Even if you know you are going to want to go to full suspension 6 months down the line and spend the extra coin. Take 2 weeks and scour the internet for the best used hardtail in your price range you can find. Ride that for at least 6 months and build up those skills. Learn how to use your body to absorb landings to flat without relying on the bike to do it for you. Street BMX riders can take insane impacts straight to asphalt without any need for suspension. The top level are insane athletes of course, but anyone can learn to do it down a 6 stair for example with enough practice.
If you know you want to go straight to full suspension, I said to buy used because then you can just sell your bike and either break even or lose $100 or so. Then you can take that cash and put it towards the full suspension and you will be a much better rider for having done that.
I'm not trying to be a dick, quite the opposite I want to help people be set up for success. But the whole dentist bike mantra exists for a reason. I'm nearly 30 and I can still send a 360 down a 6 stair on a fully rigid 20" with relative ease. Where a lot of mountain bikers would feel the need to use a full suspension to send that level of drop out in the woods (without the spin added in.) It's just not true. It's just a lot of people in MTB want the bike to do the heavy lifting for them when technique could carry them so much further than they even know.
You don't have to go out and ride BMX to learn this stuff. I'm transitioning away from it and towards MTB because I'd rather bail on loam than concrete when I'm approaching 40 lmao.
But if you want to learn to absorb an impact, take your bike to the local skatepark and learn to pump the bowl/half pipe correctly. Doing so is the same motion as absorbing impact from a big drop. You can also find stair sets around your city to drop down. Start with a curb. Then a 2 stair, 3 stair, 6 stair, etc. I promise proper technique will take you so far and it's the reason why people like Matt Jones and Sam Pilgrim are so absurdly good. They could shred a Walmart Hardtail harder than 99% of us could shred a $10,000 Enduro.
I've been riding a hardtail since 1987, and still love them. Even at 61 years old, I'm loving the riding; just got back from one today (the rain finally stopped falling as if someone dumped an entire ocean on top of us.) Lovely, if muddy day, Mt. Tamalpais and the Lakes are so beautiful. Had to hike-a-bike around some fallen trees, got home muddy, wet and happy.
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Got you beat, my first mtn bike was a ‘85 Shogun Prairie Breaker, I didn’t get my first full suspension bike until ‘94 which was a Cannondale Super V 1000 with maybe 2” of travel and my first disc brake bike was the Cannondale Super V2000 with the terrible CODA disc brakes.
I'm still riding my San Quentin 2 after like 3 years, and I absolutely love it. That new frame looks insane; the way the seat stays lines up to the top tube is nuts.
I couldn't agree more!!! Bought a san quentin a few years back and just got rid of my twice the price full sus and don't regret it in the slightest. It is easier to have fun on a hardtail. Btw Love the fiesta reference it so accurately describes the feeling. We need more hardtail vids from you, it always seems like you enjoy it that little bit more when you are on one.
Your review comparing this bike to the Fiesta ST has me sold on it! I’ve been driving mine for 7 years and I love driving it. Always a fun ride! ❤ Legends!
This might be my favorite hardtail build I've ever seen to date! What a SICK bike Matt! This just inspired me to invest in upgrading my 27.5 Kona hardtail I have sitting in the garage.
The main thing I noticed with it from press photos is how low that standover is! Looks so good
that low standover and short chainstays make me think if i'll still be needing my dirt jump bike. that's why i'm setting the 2023 sq up singlespeed and trying to get it sub 12kg.
@@uroslangus5362 sounds like a sick build man. Had my Stanton Switchback setup singlespeed with some lighter tyres and carbon wheels a while back and it was sick. Built up a new frame only recently though and it's back to a full enduro rig again!
Amazing. I have a Fiesta ST and a Marin Bike. They both truly bring such a smile to my face.
it is sick to see u back on the hardail been wanting to see this for a whille
Glad to see you back on a hardtail👍
I know this was one giant ad but I genuinely love just getting to watch Matt rip around his local trails.
Matt, your channel convinced me to buy a San Quentin. I love my SQ2
I love this video. It’s just sick to see you messing around on all of the Woburn jumps that we’ve seen all over social media and have dreamed of riding.
Love the pacing of this vid!
Much more entertaining! ❤
Keep it going dude your content is the best
having ridden multiple full suspension both for XC, trail and DH I always find myself enjoying my hardtail more and I always return to it.
whenever I sit down to dream up a new dream rig I always end up finding myself staring at a hardtail towards the end cause they're just so much fun to ride and can handle all but the worst of downhill runs without breaking a sweat.
i like the rainbow cranks! Im always a fan of one or two mismatched parts on a bike
Hardtails are very important and such a massive tool for building bike control & confidence.
In the end of the day its always going to be dependent on what you are trying to accomplish with each variant of bike.
When my enduro rig was out for the count and I rented a economy spec'd Rocky Mountain Growler (aggressive Hardtail). I had the aim of keeping up with the boys on DH bikes on DH tracks and it was extremely punishing.
Hardtails provide a great value and I truly believe everyone should start out on one to provide a strong foundation and understanding of what a bike is doing underneath you. I have learned however that there is a point where it becomes quite strenuous on your joints and limbs to try and do everything on a hardtail.
I love hardtails they are my favourite bike and keep posting thanks for the video 😮
Matt, so great to hear you say that about a HT, so many people don't get it, even you with the moto-bike crap, so many just go for the "easier" more cush, less effort, less rider input/skill needed. My go to is actually a Steel, full Rigid 29er running either 29x2.6" or 29x3.0" rubber, depending on how I feel and what trails I'll be riding.
Loved the San Quentin 3 new model, have bought last year's Quentin 2 just amazed, started on a Hardtail more than likely will remain. I am not complaining about Matt's new bike.
its crazy how much smoother and more stylish you look riding a hardtail, Matt.
hardtails really are elite. I owned oneas my first bike and rode it until it snapped on a jump. They are so fun and great to not only learn on but progress
I have seen this video multiple times, love my san Quentin I actually ordered a 2022 version as soon as this video was released, so I’m gutted but still love my bike it’s perfect for racing and all the jumps!!
Love my hardtail! That step down send at the end was epic. That hold music getting louder though 🤣🤣
That s3 is pretty mint definitely tell Matt enjoyed that sesh 🤙
As an owner of a 2021 SQ3 it is my go to bike! I can ride anything in Southern California and not have any issues. Greer ranch is my daily spot and people cannot keep up on their full blown 10k 160+mm enduro rigs. Mine is not as slack and does amazing on jump lines. I may have to upgrade to the 23’ model 💸🤙🏼
Definitely the best analogy for a hardtail
Your style on a hardtail is soooo steezzyyyy 👌🏽👌🏽👌🏽
Just got my 2023 San Quentin 2 today! Super stoked to ride it!
I want one so bad!!!! I love the look of the San Quentin......at least I have my much older hard tail, no jumper that's for sure but I can ride it!!!! Cheers Matt and Ben!!!!
Being on hold 30ft in the air is a brag I've never even considered!! You were the only person on hold that day flying a bike in the air haha
Love the hard tail content! It would be awesome to see your impressions on the Marin El Roy versus the San Quentin. I ride an On One Hello Dave, which is pretty similar to the El Roy. Would love to hear your thoughts!
Look how much fun you had. Isnt that what its all about??? I love my hardtail. Wish I had the confidence to ride it like you do though!!
Everyone needs a aggressive and fun hardtail 🤘
What a bike I want one now, used to love my hard tail Kona before I snapped it, could be an investment for some wkd fun times, good work lads 👍🤟
Even watching you ride , looked like you had a lot more fun and that thing fly’s your jumping miles awesome 😎
That last drop made me smile
Your Fiesta ST analogy was spot on. Perhaps I'm biased cause I own a Fiesta ST but now maybe it's time to own one of these bikes too 👍
I’ve got the San Quentin 1 that I’ve upgraded some components! And I love it! Added a pnw dropper. Went tubeless. Smaller bars.
Gonna ride the fork till it reaches its limit and then upgrade that!
But I love it!!
How’s the hub/freewheel holding up?
Now on 4th one and only option is to spend £300 on a new wheel because of the awful 9x141 sizing
@@acwvaleting3291 141 hubs are the same as 148 hubs, most can be converted from one standard to another. All Hope, DT swiss and Novatec hubs can be converted to 141. Shimano also sell a few options if you need cheep ones.
I just bought a cheap suntour xcr34 boost coil fork which is what you probably have on your sq1. If you put foam rings under the dust/oil seals and oil in lower legs they work really good. You can also get an air spring for them. In that case it's a very decent fork.
@@acwvaleting3291 If i read correctly, the 2023 sq1 has a rear hub with sealed cartridge bearings which on a bike in this range usually means that the ratchet is a 3 pawl servicable design.
@@acwvaleting3291 so far so good for me. But we’ll see.
The hold segment is absolutely hilarious 😂
Matt you should put crank protectors on the eewings so the color doesn't wear off
I just build up a hardtail of my own and can't wait to dive into the potential of it
Agreed Matt!!
it was the waiting on hold with the elevator music blasting while flying through the air that made me smash that like button today.
Matt that was probably the fastest video you ever made with the way you were ripping down them lines.
New bike looks 🔥🔥🔥🔥
My 2023 SQ3 should get to me tomorrow. Can't wait!!!!!!!
Liked before the intro is even finished 😉
Man you’ve inspired so much! I started riding in August last year & i came across your videos in december & i bought the 2023 SQ 1 & i love it! I even started a CZcams Channel!
Can you please add the list of parts you added? i’m sure i’m not the only one who’d like to see what you’re running as i want to upgrade mine too!
Cheers bro!
Maybe skip the grand+ titanium cranks...
The fiesta st comment was spot on!
Jesus matt... this looked like it was run at 1.5x speed. Gives me hope for me and my trusty hardtail.
Yes the whistling is back🤘
after watching your Marin San Quentin 1 video, im gonna go a step up and get the San Quentin 2. Im so exited
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I've had a san quentin 3 for a few years and I absolutely love it. I am a little keen on trying out a dual suspension bike like a rift zone but im not quiet sure.
I'm really digging that short seat tube
I feel ya on this and it’s grassroots. My dad is a huge mountain biker. He is 55 hardtail fucked up his knees over the years. His doctor (who rides too) told him to go full suspension to help with his knees.Finally got himself a full suspension Rocky Mountain Altitude enduro weapon. But definitely I like hardtail too
On point 💯
It’s like having a factory 450 but prefer ringing a 125 🤘🏼
That left hip near the end is actually a huge hit! Sent it like it’s no big deal!
Bang on couldn’t agree more
Hardtails are just amazing!
You have to have a hard tail for sure. Helps with style. Plus dirt jumps. My full suspension always feels like it’s bucking me 😂
then your rebound is set too stiff, or you're sitting down too much ;)
Rear-sus causes so many wrecks, even at Rampage.
@@StanleyKubick1 naw I like riding stiff. The terrain I’m in is better for it. Just a lot of dirt jumps where I live are built for dirt jumps and bmx !
When riding jumps you should slow your rebound speed on your suspension
@@SavageAudits But imagine what would have happened to some of the riders at rampage if thet didnt have thee big DH Bikes. They all would be on wheelchairs by now.
I like the cranks they match the other smaller bits of colour on the bike
I’ve actually bought a fiesta ST this week😂 I can confirm it is a cure for depression that car, you can’t help smiling driving it it’s just so much fun
Love your videos
wow, that was awesome
I agree wholeheartedly, cut my MTB teeth on a couple of hardtails back in '06-'07 and kept one to use for jumps and winter riding till about 5-6 years ago, it became too painful on my knee (old injury), I do miss riding a hardtail but these days it's not worth the pain.....!
Great vid though....!
Greatest Mona Lisa take of all time
I'm getting the 2023 sq frame sometime this month. I'll be setting it up singlespeed and no dropper. You should do a video where you in one day ride a skatepark, a pumptrack, a bikepark and some trails that need a bit of pedalling. All of it on the sq ;)
yes dude!
I started on a hardtail 14 years ago. Progressed to a trail bike, enduro and then a DH bike. I’ve came full circle with a new hardtail on its way 🤷🏻♂️ we can’t all be wrong
IMO hardtails are more fun, they are not the fastest but make old trails fun again. Plus for regular flowtracks you dont need a full sus, heck BMX are rigid and they jump.
Matt please tell me you have recorded the unboxing and building it up! Love my sq3 and religiously watched your marin builds to help me choose components. Cracking bikes!
💯 agree.
Everyone should have a hard tail in their garage
frame protection looks soo nice cant wait for playground again
It's about time Marin made an XL frame with 500mm reach! This geometry has me pretty stoked!
I think the interesting bit about an aggressive hardtail is how good it looks to jump on. How good a rider with style looks. DJers you can get stylish but the bike profile isnt big enough to really accentuate like a whip or table or anything. Then full suspension bikes like enduros and DHs are hard to really get perfect on smaller jumps so then people are hitting bigger jumps where they are moreso surviving than properly riding.
A smaller 275 hardtail bike just looks GREAT on a wide variety of jumps from 5 foot tables to 25 foot gaps and everything in between. Can even be ridden in a large skatepark if it was built with large transitions. Definitely torn between a 275 hardtail or a short travel 275 trail bike in the future.
Matt, what's your height and what size of the new SQ are you riding?
The sizing/geometry changes are awesome, but feel a bit disruptive :)
...even crashing on it is a nice experience - brilliant! :)
Matt is so steezy on any and every jump. On the huck to flat you can hear the same whistle from last time with Jono
legend says he's still on hold
2 years on mine. Love it. Just need a couple more upgrades.
Yes matt love vids I'd love to ride with you one day legend
Love your vids
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Hardtails, especially 26 or 27.5 wheeled, are so much more fun. They make a trail that's fairly mild on a 29er full suss so much more spicy. The main downside is getting smashed when going fast through rough stuff. And also your back and legs can get pretty sore. There's always a spot in the quiver for a good quality trail/AM hardtail.
I agree my riding style has completely changed since I got my DJ bike last year. Makes space for more progression on the bike!
Havent seen matt ride this hard in a while, holy cow
Hard tails are the best bike to learn the basics on beacause you don’t rely on a rear shock or lots of travel to get you out of trouble it improves your technique for when you eventually get on a full squish
Great vid! Can you get hold of an el roy to show off?
I want one now!!
Hi Matt! I’ve been wanting to get a San Quentin and the 2023 looks like the one! I know there is slight change in geometry and it seems like the Marin dealership in Singapore hasn’t bring in any for me to try. I am 1.72m tall, which size should I get for this model?
Being on hold made the video! Needs to be a series!!
love your vids and my helfare stuff
Full sus is like a Formula 1 car. Doesn't slide, but when it actually slides, you have a big issue.
Hardtails are more like Rally cars. Faster if you don't drift, but if you do drift, it's a lot of fun, too.
Hi Matt! How tall are you and what size bike is this? Looks amazing
I’ve owned a fiesta ST and a San Quinten and I’d have to agree with you Matt lol
i have a fiesta ST and love the comparison
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Still got my hard-tail Marin Team Titanium; cool bike
If you think that’s a slack/aggressive hardtail, try a Kona honzo ESD 😅 best hardcore hardtail I’ve ever seen