I loved that girl so much !!! I swear she had so much heart and guts ! And Vanessa never gave up !! So much respect for her !! And one of the best gymnasts from that era !! She was just so likeable and loveable !!! ❤
you could tell that she was nerverous she was rushing she wanted to get off but she knews as soon as she landed that it was her best bar routine ever !
I watched a documentary where she talked about her eating disorders(encouraged by coaches and USA Gymnastic staff) and how coaches just kept telling her she needed to lose weight( a powerful gymnast like her need muscle -then you hear about the Nassar abuse and realize she went through all that. It's no wonder someone with that much talent came apart so much.
9.8 is very apprpriate. A routine with three release moves and a stuck landing deserves a 9.8 and this was back in 98 when scores like that were given out more often. Maloney and Ray got scores like that too.
@russianskatingfan True, but scores are always a bit inflated at Nationals. All things considered, the judges probably wanted to give her some encouragement for finally putting it together.
If Vanessa did this uneven bar routine in the event finals in Sydney Khorkina could kiss her uneven bars gold medal goodbye. Vanessa was really capable of winning all 6 golds in Sydney, even uneven bars, as this video proves.
@@turbojon8117 Except many US gymnasts got bigger scores at the Games than they got here. Danchtzer scored MUCH higher on both bars and floor at the Games than she did at these 98 Nationals. Ray scored bigger on vault and beam by far at the Games than she did here. So that shows Atler would likely score much higher than her 9.8 here at the Games and easily beat Khorkina for bars gold.
They should've taken that Comaneci out a long long time before this. I realize that she hit it just fine here but, this was not typical of Atler by any means and the score is extremely high for this set. For some strange reason, her coaches gave me the creeps. Especially the guy, Steve. I can't even give a real reason why either. I don't know.....
@@You-dh1du Yes, that would've been a good idea as well. I think she wanted so desperately, to be an all around gymnast. I mean, that is always the goal of any gymnast, especially back in those times. The "specialist" thing wasn't really a popular thing until around 2004. I was an elite gymnast back in the early and mid 90's and not training and competing on all 4 events was really unheard of. I mean, of course you would see gymnasts compete in event finals or possibly only compete on one or a few events in a team final at major international assignments but, you just didn't hear of a gymnast only training on 3 or less events.
@@ajimenez1719ify True but you had a better shot of making a 7 person team as a specialist compared to nowadays where the team is only 4 gymnasts! It's crazy but there is no shot of making the US team for Tokyo 2021 unless you are a strong AA at this point. I hate how small the teams are becoming.
@@ajimenez1719ify They didn't have a choice but to be an all around gymnast until 2000, had she been born a few years later, she would've made a very strong vault and floor specialist, and decent on beam as well
@@mht4908 Yes, you are absolutely right. She was a great vaulter and floor worker. She had both, beautiful dance and powerful tumbling on floor. She also had some of the most difficult vaults of that time.
I think it was the general pressure surrounding her, that caused her to have this huge mental block in competition. She became the anointed one, the next one in line to become the “it” girl in USAG. She mentioned in an interview that she didn’t want what happened to Kim Zmeskal to happen to her. I think her coaches put too much pressure on her to try and win every competition. Sadly her support system failed her, in my opinion. Her natural talent was too great, and so Steve and Beth thought she would just get over her mental block on UB in competition. It’s a shame her talents weren’t fostered properly during that quad.
It is good she didnt fall for once but this still in no way deserved anything close to a 9.8. She had form breaks and rythym breaks galore in this routine.
@Rynryn99 If this deserved a 9.8 then Elise Ray should have gotten a 10.1. The reality is this routine would only get a 9.5 at best at the World level with all the form, swing, and technique issues.
If she’d been there in the next quad she would have been an Olympian. This was the last quad where all arounders were sought after. Glad those days are over.
@@carrietremble that was an unusual circumstance- fpur team members meant all arounders were a must. It’s why they immediately decided to go back to five team members. And the two individuals being all arounders was surprising, and one of the few instances where that was the case. Take China- Fan Yilin was an individual participant- mostly just for uneven bars. I don’t believe she even attempted the AA in Tokyo. But you are correct. It just demonstrated the enormous depth of the pool we had.
@@saragrant9749 Totally agreed. If she were born 8 years later she is an even better version of Sacramone. Or an almost equally good version of the great Cheng Fei. Even 4 years later would work just fine as 2001-2004 quad was already using the new format. A 6-3-3 format it would be easy to include her even though her bars was almost as useless as someone who doesn't even train it consistently like Sacramone. You could have her do a token bar routine in qualifying maybe if you wanted to give her a shot at the All Around, as there wasn't much risk there, but regardless you could use her, including in team finals, on all the other events. Under even a 6-5-4 format she was still too much risk with her bars she fell on 98% of the time. This routine could be put into a time capsule as it is so rare. Even an old Gutsu tried a comeback in 2003 doing everything but bars, even though it didn't work (strange since bars was one of her best events in 91-92, but maybe she had shoulder problems since retiring or something).
@@saragrant9749 Yeah I was never her biggest fan, but impressive she tried a comeback that far after retiring. A lot of gymnasts have had underreported comebacks mostly just for the love of the sport. Another who had that is Kristie Phillips who even competed at the 99 and 2000 Nationals, but sadly they never showed her.
While it is great she hit bars finally a 9.8 is a crazy score for this routine still. Elise Ray got something like a 9.825, is anyone seriously going to argue Vanessa's routine was nearly equal to Elise's? Then again she isnt the only big name to be overscored on bars, Zamoshitichkova's 9.7 at the Olympics was insane.
Yeah, this routine really wasn't worthy of 9.8, but I came to the conclusion years ago that maybe the judges were trying for a little positive reinforcement here.
@@Kaya112345 She couldn't even do a basic pirouette without stalling, LOL! I had this routine at 9.5 at best. I agree it was the judges giving a huge "bravo for finally hitting a bars routine." At worlds she probably scores lower than the Romanians.
@@richardross4677 yeah this was as much as she could do lol even she’s admitted it, after this, she even ended up taking some releases out. It’s sucks she couldn’t drop bars all together in her era.
@@Cmc995 Yep. In that era, every gymnast was expected to be an all-rounder. They HAD to be. With 6 on the team and 5 up on every event, if one gymnast on the team did not do an event at all, there was no margin for error if a gymnast got hurt after the time an alternate could be put in. It's too bad she was not in it for the 2004 quad, when she COULD have dropped bars with the switch the to the 6 on a team but only 3 compete each event format. She was just like Alicia Sacramone.
While it is great she finally hit bars a 9.8 is just comical, even at Nationals. She has so many issues on this event even on a good day, she cant even do a freaking pirouette properly or smoothly. At Worlds she might get a 9.45 or something if she were lucky.
@@Rynryn99 LOL this routine was not a 9.8. If it were Ray's bar routine would have gotten a perfect 10, and even Ray was only scoring in the low to mid 9.6s at worlds. Atler had a hit bars routine in the prelims of worlds 99 by the way and scored in the 9.4s. It is even on video.
@@richardross4677 Vanessa's 99 Worlds prelim routine was only a 9.8 start value, not 10. This was a great routine and described much too harshly by tim duggal here. She constantly adjusts her grip when doing complicated pirouettes, but the giant full finished in perfect handstand, it's ridiculous to say she "can't do it properly". The 1.5 pirouette is a bit wonky, but not terrible, and the only other significant problem here is the badly flexed feet on the layout dismount, but she stuck it.
sailormoonlove and gabby and Madison and ashton and Anna and terin and Courtney and mohini... lol I could keep going. Oh. Don't forget Maloney, since almost every UB routine pac includes her surname element
I really hate how tim and elif dragged this KID!!!!! SHE WAS NOT EVEN 18 AND THEY DRAGGED HER THROUGH THE MUD!!!!! ON NATIONAL TELEVISION!!!!!! HOPE KARMA CAME BACK TO THEM AND THEIR KIDS!!!!! Poor Vanessa! SHAME ON NBC FOR NOT HIRING BART CONNOR!!!! SUCH A GENTLEMAN! Tim and elfi were like that mean girl and gay guy in high school that become EVIL COWORKERS!
I'm glad she hit one that's cemented in CZcams history - I have alot of respect for this kid
You can tell she is SO happy with those tears! Another gymnast who suffered the “competed in the wrong quad” curse
She really did. If she was in the 2004 Olympics, she could have been a three event specialist.
I loved that girl so much !!! I swear she had so much heart and guts ! And Vanessa never gave up !! So much respect for her !! And one of the best gymnasts from that era !! She was just so likeable and loveable !!! ❤
Can we just talk about how difficult this routine is? Her releases everything!!! ❤️
i legit teared up when I first watched this....
I LOVE HER!!
Love you, Buck! she did an amazing interview on Gymcastic last week.
She made me cry happy tears😭😭😀😀
Bless her heart, good for her.
you could tell that she was nerverous she was rushing she wanted to get off but she knews as soon as she landed that it was her best bar routine ever !
Good for her ... I really feel for her.
I remember this moment 🥹
She always was an amazing gymnast.
I watched a documentary where she talked about her eating disorders(encouraged by coaches and USA Gymnastic staff) and how coaches just kept telling her she needed to lose weight( a powerful gymnast like her need muscle -then you hear about the Nassar abuse and realize she went through all that. It's no wonder someone with that much talent came apart so much.
Way to go Atler!
9.8 is very apprpriate. A routine with three release moves and a stuck landing deserves a 9.8 and this was back in 98 when scores like that were given out more often. Maloney and Ray got scores like that too.
Ray had a way better bars routine than this. Maloney did not get a 9.8, although even her 9.725 was pretty high for the quality of the routine.
@russianskatingfan True, but scores are always a bit inflated at Nationals. All things considered, the judges probably wanted to give her some encouragement for finally putting it together.
At worlds she might get a 9.5 for this routine if she is lucky. Ray was even scoring only in the mid 9.6s at worlds.
If Vanessa did this uneven bar routine in the event finals in Sydney Khorkina could kiss her uneven bars gold medal goodbye. Vanessa was really capable of winning all 6 golds in Sydney, even uneven bars, as this video proves.
LMAO tell another one! Olympic judges gave Khorkina a 9.862 and domestic judges gave Atler a 9.800 here. I would like to try whatever you're smoking.
@@turbojon8117 Except many US gymnasts got bigger scores at the Games than they got here. Danchtzer scored MUCH higher on both bars and floor at the Games than she did at these 98 Nationals. Ray scored bigger on vault and beam by far at the Games than she did here. So that shows Atler would likely score much higher than her 9.8 here at the Games and easily beat Khorkina for bars gold.
They should've taken that Comaneci out a long long time before this. I realize that she hit it just fine here but, this was not typical of Atler by any means and the score is extremely high for this set. For some strange reason, her coaches gave me the creeps. Especially the guy, Steve. I can't even give a real reason why either. I don't know.....
She should've just dropped uneven bars and focused on beam,floor and vault which she was phenomenal on.
@@You-dh1du Yes, that would've been a good idea as well. I think she wanted so desperately, to be an all around gymnast. I mean, that is always the goal of any gymnast, especially back in those times. The "specialist" thing wasn't really a popular thing until around 2004. I was an elite gymnast back in the early and mid 90's and not training and competing on all 4 events was really unheard of. I mean, of course you would see gymnasts compete in event finals or possibly only compete on one or a few events in a team final at major international assignments but, you just didn't hear of a gymnast only training on 3 or less events.
@@ajimenez1719ify True but you had a better shot of making a 7 person team as a specialist compared to nowadays where the team is only 4 gymnasts! It's crazy but there is no shot of making the US team for Tokyo 2021 unless you are a strong AA at this point. I hate how small the teams are becoming.
@@ajimenez1719ify They didn't have a choice but to be an all around gymnast until 2000, had she been born a few years later, she would've made a very strong vault and floor specialist, and decent on beam as well
@@mht4908 Yes, you are absolutely right. She was a great vaulter and floor worker. She had both, beautiful dance and powerful tumbling on floor. She also had some of the most difficult vaults of that time.
@benrobinson77 at :39, her Pak salto to the low bar is considered a release move
@benrobinson77 the release between bars also
I think it was the general pressure surrounding her, that caused her to have this huge mental block in competition. She became the anointed one, the next one in line to become the “it” girl in USAG. She mentioned in an interview that she didn’t want what happened to Kim Zmeskal to happen to her. I think her coaches put too much pressure on her to try and win every competition. Sadly her support system failed her, in my opinion. Her natural talent was too great, and so Steve and Beth thought she would just get over her mental block on UB in competition. It’s a shame her talents weren’t fostered properly during that quad.
It is good she didnt fall for once but this still in no way deserved anything close to a 9.8. She had form breaks and rythym breaks galore in this routine.
If she struggled on bars why give her a routine with a 1.5 in? I'm sure they could have composed something better for her!
@Rynryn99 If this deserved a 9.8 then Elise Ray should have gotten a 10.1. The reality is this routine would only get a 9.5 at best at the World level with all the form, swing, and technique issues.
If she’d been there in the next quad she would have been an Olympian. This was the last quad where all arounders were sought after. Glad those days are over.
Only all arounders were put in for the 2020 (2021) squad. Even the 2 individual gymnasts were all arounders.
@@carrietremble that was an unusual circumstance- fpur team members meant all arounders were a must. It’s why they immediately decided to go back to five team members. And the two individuals being all arounders was surprising, and one of the few instances where that was the case. Take China- Fan Yilin was an individual participant- mostly just for uneven bars. I don’t believe she even attempted the AA in Tokyo. But you are correct. It just demonstrated the enormous depth of the pool we had.
@@saragrant9749 Totally agreed. If she were born 8 years later she is an even better version of Sacramone. Or an almost equally good version of the great Cheng Fei. Even 4 years later would work just fine as 2001-2004 quad was already using the new format. A 6-3-3 format it would be easy to include her even though her bars was almost as useless as someone who doesn't even train it consistently like Sacramone. You could have her do a token bar routine in qualifying maybe if you wanted to give her a shot at the All Around, as there wasn't much risk there, but regardless you could use her, including in team finals, on all the other events. Under even a 6-5-4 format she was still too much risk with her bars she fell on 98% of the time. This routine could be put into a time capsule as it is so rare.
Even an old Gutsu tried a comeback in 2003 doing everything but bars, even though it didn't work (strange since bars was one of her best events in 91-92, but maybe she had shoulder problems since retiring or something).
@@rolandgreen7484 Tatiana? Really? Wow, I never knew she attempted a comeback! Pretty ambitious for anyone!
@@saragrant9749 Yeah I was never her biggest fan, but impressive she tried a comeback that far after retiring. A lot of gymnasts have had underreported comebacks mostly just for the love of the sport. Another who had that is Kristie Phillips who even competed at the 99 and 2000 Nationals, but sadly they never showed her.
@Rynryn99 3 release moves??? i only see 2
benrobinson77 3
There are 4: tchachev, Comanici, pak, sit up low-high
@russianskatingfan It's funny how you never criticize Russian gymnasts for having inflated scores.
While it is great she hit bars finally a 9.8 is a crazy score for this routine still. Elise Ray got something like a 9.825, is anyone seriously going to argue Vanessa's routine was nearly equal to Elise's? Then again she isnt the only big name to be overscored on bars, Zamoshitichkova's 9.7 at the Olympics was insane.
Yeah, this routine really wasn't worthy of 9.8, but I came to the conclusion years ago that maybe the judges were trying for a little positive reinforcement here.
@@Kaya112345 She couldn't even do a basic pirouette without stalling, LOL! I had this routine at 9.5 at best. I agree it was the judges giving a huge "bravo for finally hitting a bars routine." At worlds she probably scores lower than the Romanians.
@@richardross4677 yeah this was as much as she could do lol even she’s admitted it, after this, she even ended up taking some releases out. It’s sucks she couldn’t drop bars all together in her era.
@@Cmc995 Yep. In that era, every gymnast was expected to be an all-rounder. They HAD to be. With 6 on the team and 5 up on every event, if one gymnast on the team did not do an event at all, there was no margin for error if a gymnast got hurt after the time an alternate could be put in. It's too bad she was not in it for the 2004 quad, when she COULD have dropped bars with the switch the to the 6 on a team but only 3 compete each event format. She was just like Alicia Sacramone.
9.8 she scored!?!? You have to be kidding me. Maybe a 9.6.
Poor Vanessa, wish they'd gotten that stupid camera out of her face when she was so overwhelmed!
@tbee20101 False I have said Zamolodichkova is one of the most overscored gymnasts ever, the 2nd most overscored of this era after only Atler.
Gutsu was the most overscored gymnast of all time.
Lots of flexed feet here - always on that Comaneci skills she did ! not nice too see..........
While it is great she finally hit bars a 9.8 is just comical, even at Nationals. She has so many issues on this event even on a good day, she cant even do a freaking pirouette properly or smoothly. At Worlds she might get a 9.45 or something if she were lucky.
That routine deserved
It that day
@@Rynryn99 LOL this routine was not a 9.8. If it were Ray's bar routine would have gotten a perfect 10, and even Ray was only scoring in the low to mid 9.6s at worlds. Atler had a hit bars routine in the prelims of worlds 99 by the way and scored in the 9.4s. It is even on video.
@@richardross4677 Vanessa's 99 Worlds prelim routine was only a 9.8 start value, not 10. This was a great routine and described much too harshly by tim duggal here. She constantly adjusts her grip when doing complicated pirouettes, but the giant full finished in perfect handstand, it's ridiculous to say she "can't do it properly". The 1.5 pirouette is a bit wonky, but not terrible, and the only other significant problem here is the badly flexed feet on the layout dismount, but she stuck it.
I knew the americans had an ugly relationship with the UB in recent years, but i didn't knew they have been always like this lol
Kevin Morales I know right? Go watch Nastia on bars, she's awful.
sailormoonlove and gabby and Madison and ashton and Anna and terin and Courtney and mohini... lol I could keep going. Oh. Don't forget Maloney, since almost every UB routine pac includes her surname element
@@2345678902345671 Nastia was awful on bars??? GTFOH. Nastia's lines were amazing.
She owes her success to Dr. Larry Nassar, who stretched her out before this routine.
I really hate how tim and elif dragged this KID!!!!! SHE WAS NOT EVEN 18 AND THEY DRAGGED HER THROUGH THE MUD!!!!! ON NATIONAL TELEVISION!!!!!! HOPE KARMA CAME BACK TO THEM AND THEIR KIDS!!!!! Poor Vanessa! SHAME ON NBC FOR NOT HIRING BART CONNOR!!!! SUCH A GENTLEMAN! Tim and elfi were like that mean girl and gay guy in high school that become EVIL COWORKERS!