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Over recent years Frontex (Europe's Border Force & Coast Guard) has seen significant growth in both personnel and budget, as Europe attempts to better secure its external borders. In this video, we'll explore what Europe's doing, explore the controversy & what's going to happen next.
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Afraid you got the stretch of freedom of movement wrong: it goes beyond Sweden into northernmost Norway, since although it's not an EU member, it IS part of Schengen!
They really are a member in anything but name, like Switzerland.
@@versuch8239 no we’re quite different. For instance fishing andfarming is different, and the main reason we’re only in the EEA. AlsoNorway has no representative in Brussels, and cannot vote in rules ect. Yet, unlike other states we can veto whenever we want and refuse to accept laws. We aren’t required to join the Euro, and as you claim that we have the same regulations on trade (which is also untrue, for example we’re not in the tax union) is not true.
Lastly, Norway has full control over our nations waters and lands, the resources here are ours, and we can decide if we want to pay into eu projects or not.
Certainty not “a member in anything but name”, surely.
@@Adrian-rb4qp Sure, like some EU members too there are a few opt-outs and exceptions. But in terms of trade regulations, rules and everything, you are bascially a non member member. Quite different is a bit of a stretch.
Edit: Norway even wants to take part in PESCO starting this or next year, the integration for common EU security and defense.
Because Norway is a sovereign nation outside the EU that take care of their own border
No because Norway is in between Spain and Sweden???
It's not start of the EU unified army, but definitely a start of the EU unified border guard :P
I have my pros and cons against a European Federation. But seeing the global stage, i think a EU army is needed. The world changed. Countries with population of Portugal, Netherlands or Slovakia are nothing today, heck even Germany today is small. Saying that, im completely in favour of a EU army, with a EU budget, will cut on costs, produce quality army and with combining joint projects its better. Sure, the propblem is foreign policy of EU states arent the same. But in terms of production and protecting the continent its better. Not to mention is a alternative to the american ruled NATO.
@@gordusmaximus4990 I, at least partially, agree with you, but we should be clear - Frontex is almost completely European version of a border police force.
That's what the politicians want you to think. It might actually be the start of a EU Army. I'm now convinced the EU wants to become a fully fledged federation.
you are right there will never be an EU unified army. The EU will just start their own army, bypassing the national armies and leaving them as they are. Besides the EU does not need big lumbering ww2 style armies to protect member states.
Its all about assets protection and acquisition of resources no matter where they are. They will only need a small highly skilled force for that, with their own recruits and with their own drones and their own arms. Why else would the EU parliament allocate billions to frontex.
You can call it whatever you want army, frontex. It still will be used to secure strategic objects with force if necessary. Fontex is the start of an EU special forces. Shrewd politicians have put this plan in motion and you and I get no vote because we have not a clue what they are doing. But we can guess why, for power, money and control.
@@lowlandtech Ok, you might be correct, but it doesn't change the fact that, for now at least, Frontex is just a border guard and is much more similar to member states' border guards than to the army of any kind.
Except a border guarding force isn't really a military, more a police force.
Yeah but its the first toward that
Importantly it seems to be a border guarding force without the authority to actually enforce any laws or override local authorities at any rate. It's gonna be ugly if they try to take action that the local government doesn't like.
@@CedarHunt They don't and they aren't supposed to tho?
@@Megalomaniakaal Then what's the point of a border guard without the authority to enforce a border? If the local government wants to use it's navy to push migrants back into the sea there doesn't appear to be anything frontex can do about that besides lodge a complaint. If an EU border security force needs the assistance and consent of the locals then why not just use local authorities?
@@CedarHunt As a way to pool Manpower and support, Its not meant to push back on Local Authorities yet its meant to Bolster them and allow Local Authorities to call in help from all parts of the EU instead of being stuck with only Local resource and man power, Issues with Local Authorities breaking the Law is not something they need to deal with its something that Law Enforcement should.
"From Southern Portugal to Northern Sweden" - why stop there? Norway is in Schengen too.
Because Norway is a sovereign nation not part of the EU, with responsibility for its own borders.
@@psammiad No it’s part of Schengen. Like the original comment states.
If you take a straight line with a pen from the middle of Spain to the middle of Sweden you pass Norway
but you couldn't take all your goods into norway
Iceland, too
Frontex is a cool name
@@herculeskoutalidis1369 do you mean by rescuing people in the med
@@herculeskoutalidis1369 your previous commentary is a sewer that tells it all
@@herculeskoutalidis1369 You literally just watched a video showing that they put effort into actually NOT bringing them into the EU and yet you spread such bullshit.
Sounds like a financial services firm to me.
@@od9694 there is so employment in greece, but government dont even care . over brussels overlords dictate us.
The GTU was born out of Eurocorps. I see no other argument needed to agree it is a good idea.
Ah, a man of Culture.
Well, this is unexpected. Nice to see the Templin Institute and the GTU get some love.
Proud to be a citizen of the european commissariat !
Ah a men of culture.
FOR THE GREATER TERRAN UNION
The EU is uniquely better positioned to maintain a high-tech, ultra modern, high-capacity army, navy, air and space force than any individual EU member country.
equiped by german and french arms manufacturers and manned by european citizens
Exactly, I can agree you on that. Just imagine countries such as Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and other smaller states having to develop military independently, it just doesn't make sense
You've just said that without any knowledge of how military logistics would "work" across a bloc like the EU
The question is who will pay for it. An ultramodern military, even a smaller one, will cost hundreds of billions or even trillions of euros to establish, train and equip and then likely cost hundreds of billions annually to maintain. That's a lot of money to make a military force without a demonstrated, immediate need. Especially when the US is still providing the bulk of European security and doing it for comparatively nothing.
@@CedarHunt we dont need one as big as the US. Europe does not fight on multible continents so it will be drastically cheaper.
Also the only agency with its HQ in Poland. I live across the street from it's offices, the building is pretty cool.
Fitting that it is here.
That's cool, I didn't know that!
@@herculeskoutalidis1369 dude we get it, you don't like immigration, no need to reply under every comment :P
@@herlescraft I am not against immigration. I am against immigration from the south to the north. :)
thats explaining the rule breaks
As a Greek, I can't stress enough how important Frontex is for protecting our boarders. I'm all for making the agency stronger and more efficient.
Sorry michael they only trying to solve a problem they themselves created.
The Eu has destroyed many European countries culture through aggressive immigration. It actually is following a plan to repopulate Europeans and to dominate the continent. Who ever is behind the Eu is truly got evil plans it may appear as beneficial but if you look at your own country and Cyprus what has happened is a murderes crime at every level.
@@test-xn3lm
I don't think anyone is attempting to secretly wipe out the native population
@@Pedanta
Minimum replacement birth rate: 2.1
EU birth rate: 1.53
Canada birth rate: 1.47
USA birth rate: 1.70
Russia birth rate: 1.50
Ukraine birth rate: 1.23
Australia birth rate: 1.66
Israel birth rate: 3.00
Israel education minister Rafi Peretz on intermarriage.
Israel justice minister Ayelet Shaked on keeping the jewish majority even at the expense of human rights.
CNN: Joe Biden: Im a zionist, you don't have to be a jew to be a zionist.
Angry foreigner: Joe Biden: it's a good thing that whites will be an absolute minority in the USA
@@test-xn3lm No one is ''secretly destroying countries'' bro, it's not the EU's fault that ISIS existed. You're speaking in cliches that makes no sense.
@@test-xn3lm Hi Hitler, I thought you killed yourself in 1945
If a European Army ever does go to war, can we have Sabaton blasting out the speakers on the frontlines?
I see another man of culture over here. Also, I'd probably sign up at that point.
Yes!
Immagine in case of an invasion of Turkey we play winged hussar.
should be a requrement
Imagine fighting the U.S. one day😂😂
@@appleslover You mean losing to the Americans 😂
It's inevitable that the EU will need some sort of defence force as part of NATO as it unifies closer.
Not all EU members are members of NATO
@@connla nothing to stop them joining though.
@@fastfreddy19641 At least one of them (I think actually 2) would actually require a referendum to change their constitution first before even considering to join NATO.
@@connla Ireland would need for sure, Sweden I dunno, Finland probably , Austria idk, same for Cyprus
@@darkyada71 Yeah I am confident Ireland would, it's practically in the constitution, Sweden is the 2nd maybe I had in mind.
A) Frontex is NOT an army.
It is a border guard. It has NO pretensions to be an army.
Especially with its roles and what they’re doing, it really does seem they’re only interested in patrolling the borders. The contracts are for a travel visa electronic system, and surveillance drones. They aren’t inkling closer to a standing army.
@@GiantsRTheBest1
If and when FRONTEX announces the formation of an armoured division, or its first fighter squadron, feel free to panic...
@@gloin10 I do work for Frontex. You do not know what you are talking about.
@@AlexNights
BULLSHIT, plain and simple
To me it feels like the perfect beginnings of a framework on which an European army may be built upon in the future. The European army will be able to see what things should be avoided from the failures of Frontex while also seeing what works well from Frontex. Basically it is a stepping stone or a testrun before an actual army
The first step should be unification and standardization of military furniture contracts. This would mean that everything from uniforms to bigger contracts should go through a unified channel so that each country's strong point could be leveraged and combined with those of other countries.
@@renatogolia211 There are already proposals to pool resources of military active EU member states for awarding military contracts; it was in response to Trump's threat to defund NATO; it makes sense regardless to get the best deals for those interested.
Frontex isn't base for shared military. But there already is Common Security and Defense Policy which has EU battlegroups. There is also plans to provide united rapid response force under Crisis Response Operation Core.
It can be.
Europe is a joke im telling you now its an absolute paper tiger it can't even manufacture vaccines for its own people while the UK has almost 60 percent of its population vaccinated
The eu needs to secure its borders. If an eu army is required then it’s worth doing.
Well, as mentioned in other comments. The border patrol is more of a police force. An army is used for the purpose of war. Whether that be an offensive or defensive one.
I wouldn't exactly classify the protection of the borders from migrants as war. If those migrants wore a uniform and carried weapons from another or several countries, then it's another matter. :)
This would require altering the treaty which prohibits them from collectively turning away migrants.
Altering this treaty will require avoiding vetos by a lot of politicians who are acting as though they are bought and paid for by Amnesty International, which effectively means that they can’t protect their borders.
How you feel about Africans and Middle Easterners securing their borders, oh wait they’re not allowed to have any self determination
@@tyrionlannister6459 Truuuuu! You will get dogpiled by smooth brains for saying this.
After Merkel invited all the migrants to Germany, too late I think, wait didn't Europe close it's borders in 1939 ? That didn't go well did it, Germany just walked through...
An important thing to keep in mind on the matter is that once a citizen of a third country gets permission to remain in one EU country, they automatically can move to all other EU countries. Therefore this is a reason for having an EU border force.
??????
I'm not hiding I want an United States of Europe, so I don't get the intro here.
I hope EU crumble.
Well, you know what Europeans hate the most?
It's other Europeans. So a USE would be doomed to fail.
@@kamanashiskar9203 Germans hate Germans. But still unified after 2 lost world wars..
@@Fabii2000 Well, they still speak the same language. There no language called "European"
@@kamanashiskar9203 In Germany everyone can speak High German (the standard German) but everywhere you have different dialects which the others cant understand. For example Bavarian and German are more different than Danish and Norwegian or Czech and Slovak.
In Europe everyone can speak English (at least enough for a conversation). And even before the English dominance there was a European Identity. And why tf do we need a language called European?! We can understand each other although we are probably from different countries right? So no need for a "European" language.. There was no war in Europe/EU since WW2. And why? Because we ignored borders. We worked together no matter what language the other one speaks. We need each other. If we just hated each other we wouldnt live in the most peaceful era in Europe.
Like our anthem says.. we are brothers
A EU Army would be an awesome idea. I really hope there will be one in the future.
An EU army does not seem to make sense to me though. The problem is that NATO already satisfies the requirements of protecting Europe and that combining the entire EU’s armed forces into 1 would be a logistical nightmare and can’t do everything without being expensive or ineffective(or both).
1. Nobody is going to touch NATO. Not the scary Russians or anybody. An attack on one is an attack on all and if that worked during the height of the Soviet Union, it will work today.
2. Logistics. While NATO does standardize it’s ammunition all the way from 9mm Luger all the way to 155mm artillery, each country still uses it’s own equipment. Each vehicle, rifle, and piece of equipment demands spare parts, training on operation and maintenance, and the facilities to manufacture everything needed. So if this were to happen, the EU army would have a logistical nightmare on it’s hands since it needs to keep track of spare parts for pieces of equipment and such. If the EU army were standardize this equipment, thus would mean lots of useable and decently up to date equipment would go into storage or surplus, since this new EU army would need to decide what it wants and discard the rest.
3. Geopolitical interests. Each Nation has it’s priorities when it comes to it’s armed forces. France and Britain have relatively large Navies to keep track of what little remains of their overseas territories, Germany focuses more heavily on their Ground forces and there are probably more examples I could bring up. In a Unified European army, this would mean that it would have to focus some of it’s Geopolitical interests or do everything. Doing everything is very expensive. And it could also result in not doing anything well.
Now a Unified EU military would be a force to be reckoned with and could flex more power overseas than it does today, but it has some major hurdles to overcome before that can happen.
@@MPdude237 well... a EU army is a alternative to the american ruled NATO. I do have my pros and cons against a European Federation. But seeing the global stage, i think at least EU army is needed. The world changed. Countries with population of Portugal, Netherlands or Sweden are nothing today, heck even Germany today is small. Saying that, im completely in favour of a EU army, with a EU budget, will cut on costs, produce quality army and with combining joint projects its better. So put in short, will be more powerful, more quality and less costs. Sure, the problem is foreign policy of EU states arent the same. But if we want our futures together, we kinda have to allign that.
@@MPdude237 I know, but I mean, all of your points could be applied to the EU more in general. We have to make little sacrifices to unite. But united we are stronger and we can achieve far more things. And I mean, NATO is cool, but an EU army could make us more indipendent and less reliant on the US, which right now isn't doing so well.
@@MPdude237 You're the first smart person I've seen in this comment section
@@MPdude237 The navy is more for the UK about defending from Russian boats in the arctic sea and power projection in the south china sea
Frontex is really helping greece out , we would have hundreds of thousands of immigrants in the country if it wasn't for frontex , i can provide extra info if anyone is interested
Do you have any particular story about Frontex protecting Greece?
Yeah, please send a few of ur articles, I'm really interested!
That sounds interesting! I'd be happy to read more about Frontex if you have some good sources.
@@Just-lz7tl yes , last year , there was a riot at the greco-turkish border , hoards of migrants gathering in the turkish side with their sole purpose being to bring down the border fence and enter in a way that would basically paralyse the army that was present there , frontex helped a lot , since greece was fighting in two fronts at that time , with turkish f-16 planes flying over a dozen islands on a daily basis , the army was distracted , so frontex basically de-escalated the whole situation
Agreed
I think there is an inherent problem in defining rules such that the moment you interact with illegal migrants you have to take them in, it forces any border guard to be "creative". If regulators cared about the lives of such migrants they would have found ways to interact with them without automatically "adopting" them.
It's also important to note that migration is a hot issue in Europe (as everywhere else), and as you can see from the comments it seems as long as Frontex is tasked with halting them at the borders it will get little else but sympathy.
FRONTEX is what the EU need. Perhaps the UK would of stayed in the EU,if it was up and running, years ago.
I don't think so. Another unaccountable organisation just like its parent, the EU itself.
The EU always needed a uniform border patrol force, to ensure the protection of the external border and harmonisation of EU border rules across the Union. This is a good step forward! I would hope that national border forces transition to relying on Frontex and transfer their border resources and personnel to Frontex. But I can understand why the EU created an independent force, the EU can only truly be efficient if they cut the middle man (aka member states approval)!
Well, I'm generally pro anything that may further EU-integration. Be it Frontex or an EU-army, both will have massive growing pains and further issues down the road, and will require many reforms at some point. But based on geopolitical trends, especially the growing new cold war, the EU as a federative state is the only viable future for europe I can think of. United we stand, divided we fall and all that.
I’m generally anti anything to further EU immigration. If Germany, Netherlands, etc want a country together they can make one, don’t drag everyone who joined the EU as an economic organization into it.
@@schroederscurrentevents3844 thank god you are in the minority and thank goodness your way of thinking is just wrong
@@schroederscurrentevents3844 The thing is, it was never suposed to be "just an economic union", that was the coal and steel community. Everyone that joined the union in its curent itteration knew full well what it will become. They could have just joined the EEA like Iceland or Norway, but chose to join anyway. In fact, all members have had said option to this day and are still here. This is a one way trip, learn to live with it.
why has it's COVID Vaccine response so impressed you :). The EU is finished , it just doesn't know it yet. If you integrate more instead of leaving, your country (whatever one that is) will suffer. The EU and it's lovers are like cult member's, understand 2 thing's the EU is not Europe , also the EU does not care for you, your country , get out before it's too late.
@@evolution__snow6784 How small of a minority are they? And how is their thinking objectively "just wrong"? People didn't sign up for this EU thing to become part of the European Federation. As much as it pains you, you need to respect the views and opinions of others.
4:26 that is interpol’s logo. Often made mistake don’t worry.
but...it literally says Interpol RIGHT ON THE LOGO??? It would be understandable if it was just the crest but there is no excuse for this one
@@MinecraftMasterNo1 probably wen’t like this
Writer: “I need a Europol logo here”
Animator:” oh yeah I know what you mean”
Animator:*googles interpol logo*
amazing news ! European army mean less spending, more efficiency, more coordination, and we all work together to common problems and we don't leave some country to deal with everything by them self.
EXACTLY!!!!
Jeez pal do you really believe what you're saying?
Each member state has different geography, culture and geopolitical necessities, and some are more powerful than others, more aggressive than others.
Unifying national armies means that someone has to lead them, and i assure you that the Germans do not want to pay (they are the largest contributor to eu budget, on this we can agree i hope) for an army run by the french (who are the most militarily developed country, also this seems like an undesputed fact)..as it is natural: i won't buy a car that you are going to drive, seems obvious. A unified eu army would basically do france's bidding in africa to return to the empire: they got the propaganda, soft power and sway to do this, and are turning west africa dangerously close to a second viet nam, just for the sake of not letting go.
You should check your facts, cause one size doesn't fit all, and we all have different needs.
This represents an extreme loss of democracy, yet is marketed as progressive.. And some, including you, do believe that.
Again, check the facts, you might be surprised.
I don't want to criticize you, don't take it personally, but please check the facts.
@@lorenzogiorgioni9001 The objective would be to answer to the EU Parlament.. So even if the General is French he won't be doing what the French ask of him.. he will do what the EU asks of him, including Germany, Poland, Italy, Greece, whoever it is. What would end is for single countries to enter wars without the ok of the whole Europe..
Making superstrate in Europe means start a new great war. Are you ready fight and die for European bureaucrats?
@@galinakuksa932 between that and the centuries of wars between countries in Europe choose what’s your preference.. I’ll choose burocrates where 20+ countries need to be aligned for something to happen
As biased as this video is tone wise, this is absolutely the correct way to move forward
Although I disagree with your sentiment, I agree that some of their videos aren't as unbiased as they claim to be. Just one snippet about the benefits Frontex has provided so far would have been enough imo
how is it biased?
@@Haris1 Watch the video again, the tone is slightly skewed at calling the the EU Army, which it isn't. Also as other comments mentioned there were no benefits listed that the Border force has brought in to date.
@@clipwhatcherdude fair enough
His videos are ALWAYS biased. He claims to be an EU channel but every video just sounds like he's talking strictly from a UK perspective, because he is. Take a lot of stuff he says with a grain of salt.
This agency is very small... it doesn't get to be called an army i think.
Technically it's a border and coast guard not an army, but I think a successful Frontex could inspire the creation of an actual European army.
Germany has less "army" or at least less working equipment
@@fionafiona1146 while germany may not have the biggest army, but they are a huge exporter of military equipment and also the one who supplies many european armies
It's 100%, not an army. It's a security agency that polices the EU border.
@@AB-zl4nh so private military contractors patrolling assigned areas aren't military either? The Swiss gard never were?
I think an EU military is just a matter of time and not because of wanting one but because of the changing world, we're seeing a more hostile US and a more aggressive China and Russia, if Europeans want to protect their interest, they are likely going to have to band together and pool resources as we're too small as individual countries when compared to the US or China.
In other words, I think an EU military and more integration will happen because of the changing realities of the world, at least if we want to protect our economic, social and political interest because otherwise, we're just going to get pushed aside and that could be bad for our social system, a little hint is what the US wants from the UK after Brexit when it comes to trade deals, a watering down on a lot of things that are not in their interest.
So what about Nato? Without the US the EU has such a small amount of power and the US is not hostile. Doing things which are politically disadvantageous for the EU is not being 'hostile' otherwise Bidens recent monetary policy which is pushing up the cost of borrowing in the EU. We do not need a EU army....we need a western alliance. We need the EU plus American, Canada, Japan, South Korea, Australia, New Zealand and others.
The problem with relying on NATO is we're relying on USA. We consider them friends but USA is just as far politically as is China. We have little in common except origins. USA cannot be trusted to have our interests in mind, plus it not not even certain if their army would be able to protect anyone. They did not win a single war since WWII
@@michaeljf6472 the US army is by far the most powerful in the world. as for using it for the sake of Europe then I don't know , but never against . The US is the eternal friend of the EU
@@michaeljf6472 You’re absolutely correct. As an American, I don’t want Americans to die for European mistakes for a third time, especially when they look down on us despite our military protection and spending making it possible for them to neglect their own defense and favor social programs, the lack of which in America is what causes them to look down on us in the first place.
I may be white, but I’ll never consider myself a European. I’m an American, that’s all.
@@Swift-mr5zi Without NATO, the EU countries would combine a lot more of their resources, it's the US that would lose out without NATO because for one the US would have less power in Europe and two, the EU countries would get together more out of self-interest, NATO gives them a reason to not do that for now but they are more than capable of doing so.
Truth be told, both the EU and US need each other as power is quickly shifting towards Asia and it's in the US interest that we have a strong EU, that basically means more integration both politically and economically, it's either that or we're just going to get pushed aside by the Asian powers.
In the end, for all the differences between the EU and US, we are a lot more alike than we are different, Trump did a lot of harm to the transatlantic alliance at a time when China is gaining more power, the EU and US either wake up to the threat or we're both going to get pushed aside as we're not big enough on our own to compete with Asia.
Finally some positive movements on the outside borders of EU. It should have been done 10 years ago. Go Europe!
think you used the interpol logo instead of europol
You're right, he messed up there.
I don't know why they never check their videos at least once before uploading, every single video always has at least one error, maybe it's a trick to boost comments?
But to be fair, the Europol logo is much more boring.
Each country in the EU already has an army. It is only a question of cooperation between those armies, not about a new army. An EU army would be just like NATO without the USA and Turkey, which would be a great thing! EU countries have fought for too long in the USA’s wars in the middle east and other places, which brought us nothing but migrants from the war zones. We actually fought against our own interests because of NATO.
You think the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are the cause of the hundreds of millions of people wanting to invade Europe? Please.
Euroskepticists don't want the EU to be nothing more than a economic trading block, although they whine about the EU not dealing with things that are not even close to being trade or regulations. Such a bunch of hypocrites.
@@chickeninyeezes3759 Well if you want to profit off of the EU you have to follow it's rules, simple as
@@chickeninyeezes3759 No it doesn't. You can always leave. But within the club, you need to stick to the rules - like everywhere else in life. Grow up.
@@chickeninyeezes3759 If you feel like you're forced to do stuff, it's your own country's decision to stay and follow rules and therefore your own "fault". Enforcing rules is natural, every organization does that. To point this out as a flaw of the EU is incredibly childish and I don't respect opinions like that.
Compare: "I want to leave the EU because I don't like these immigration policies." Or "I want to leave NATO because of the 2% military spending rule." With:
"The EU/NATO is bad because they force their members to follow rules."
We can talk about the migration stuff if you want, but that's not what I had a problem with.
@@chickeninyeezes3759 Then do me a favour and use better language from now on.
So what's your problem with immigrants? Where are you from?
Europeans need a combined army. It's more cheap than 27 different armies. Will be more efficient when have standardize equipmentand and will have more capabilities than each individual eu army.
The real question would be who would get the weapon contracts.
Lots of European companies who could get the contracts. H&K, Nexter, Leonardo, Rheinmetall, Bofors... Just to name a few.
there are a lot of weapon manufacturers in europe, I'd rather they sell stuff to an european army rather than to the middle east...
If it happened the point would be to keep manufacturing inside the EU.
@@halorecon95 He means there would be a lot of arguing about who gets the weapon contracts
A EU Army would be an awesome idea. I really hope there will be one in the future. But DON'T give the power over the EU military forces to Brussels. Make another center of power in EU!
Do you trust Germany is this not what two world wars was about .
@@ross8474 nah, better to trust this to some small European nation right on the border with Russia. Then there will be a clear understanding about borders, millitary threats coming from russia etc.
@@ross8474 Germany has changed, give it to them
@@victorokeke3395 Germany has changed? If they changed once they can change again. Hitler->Merkel->Hitler2. No, i don't think anyone should wield the united military power of Europe. No one can be trusted with that. Least of all the people who tried to conquer the world, twice, just in the last 100 years.
Its when you cross a border that you really feel like a European citizen :) more than a independent group, it's a more of a European police unified system that we need I think
It’s called interpol
@@letsget100subswithoutconte4 that's totally different, I'm not talking about some international group that works worldwide but about a unified system in Europe, about shared criminal reports, same training process, same regulations about weapons, etc... In fact, same for the fireman with the equipments and formations that are really differents form a country to another and can be sometimes a little bit problematic. Having one common army in Europe is impossible but I think that maybe other services can be sometimes more ''europe-ised'' for a better coordinations, it don't have to be everything but at least some parts would be a beginning
Why is it so hard for people to envision frontex growing into a comprehensive unified army.
The EU itself was literally just a coal and steel trade community before it lurched towards what it is today.
Because it can go two ways. I think it is buried in the vagueness of the 4 year transition period. Which probably means that if there is a large external threat, the EU can do its part to defend against that threat. If this is the case, it will probably grow from there. However when there isn't a threat it will remain it's current size and leave when their presence is no longer needed.
I don’t think frontex will turn into an army, but I do hope it will inspire the creation of one.
Cuz it's stupid
because Frontex needs to be focus on securing the border
Because then EU needs to create another new agency police to secure EU external borders , since Frontex would become part of a army making his original porpuse invalide.
Put in this Star Trek talk if the EU was the “Federation” in many ways it is. Frontex is the “Starfleet”
🤣🤣🤣🤣💖💖
The little glitches are my favourite part of the videos.
1:53 can't read the note at the top right corner but Ireland isn't part of the Schengen area.
Frontex isnt a army but can be a cool unified border guard idea
An EU army needs to happen. It would greatly benefit from cultural exchange and further realize the concept of a USE.
@El Dimos Karam ?
I’m pretty certain this comment was sarcastic
I doubt the EU would ever be stupid enough to try to antagonize the US navy.
@@CedarHunt there Isn't even any reason to go against the US navy.
@@thereita1052 I agree, it was a response to el dimos karam.
A good step in the right direction.
Yeah good for Deutschland the country who are banned from having an army that’s ironic isn’t it
@@NS-kc8hb We do have a army. It's not even that small. It's called the Bundeswehr.
Interpol is not Europol, you got 4:28 's logo entirely wrong
4:30 That’s not Europol’s logo.
Nice. Kudos for going on the promise of getting the channel more EU centric. Amazing work!
that's why is call Tldr news EU and not UK
You expect a channel called TLDR News EU to not speak about the EU??
This is specifically the EU channel. What else would they be talking about?
Uhm, thank you for the video, very well written and informative.
During the 7th minute you describe an incident in the Island of Chios with the Hellenic Navy and Frontex observing the situation. Why do you blame it on Frontex as an incident ? Frontex did the right thing by reporting it, but the Hellenic Navy should be facing the consequences, or am I missing something here ?
i dont know about consequences, to me it seems like greece didnt want to deal with them, they already got enough to bear on their shoulders.
seemed like a reasonable response, find them, rescue them, bring them back to where they came from, they're adults, not babies the greeks need to take care of.
Yeah, that incident was basically a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation.
Try and intervene with the Hellenic coast guard? Now Frontex is an overbearing authority that interferes with local agencies' work.
Keep out and file a report? Now they are complicit in the violation.
@@vladimirstok149 they are pushing them back to Turkey. Why Turkey needs to take care of them if they are adults not "babies".
According to UN Laws countries should accept refugees in any case without any exception.
According to your words, Turkey should send back them to where they come from, Arabian Peninsula.
@@emrekaantaner3718 Yes, Turkey should send them back
@@lightypower3412 Turkey cannot send them back because of United Nations. According to UN, you cannot turn your back and close your borders to refugees want to migrate your country. Ofc Turkish nation wants to send them back. Who wants 4 million refugees without anything common with Turks (like culture, language or lifestyle)
if you cut "the middle man", don't you have an overlap on competences and tasks?
Remember when Nick Clegg said this wouldn't happen? 👀👀
YEEEEEEAAAAAH EUROPEAN ARMY!!!!!! Salutations from SPAIN 🇪🇸 🇪🇺🇪🇺🇪🇺🇪🇺🇪🇺🇪🇺
Are there still Spanish people in Spain? Are you not yet replaced by brown people?
@@herculeskoutalidis1369 you mixed Spain with France
@@potatoofficial128 you mixed france with south africa
@@herlescraft You mix South Africa with Sweden
@@potatoofficial128 :(
Man where can I apply for a job at these guys, I want a job doing nothing.
Spelling error at 1:37 clipboard 1. "Plain and maintain..." instead of "Plan and maintain..."
TLDR News is like the better newspapers
I would love a united states of Europe. Why fight each other if we can do great things together?
Please don't call it "united States of Europe".
That just makes it sound like a rip off of the US
*stares at the US* You will quickly learn how lil you have in common with your neightboor very quickly. Specially the really weirdly conservative pro monarchist with pro republican from every political leaning and socialist and green. It be an even greater undertaking that this country even done at the expense of a lot of sovereighnty. etc
@@Notmyday2009 in the USA, California is very different to Texas or to Alaska. Lombardia has little to do with Sicilia, Flandes with Wallonia or Catalonia with the Basque Country. Being different culturally/ideologically doesn't mean we can't be a country. Europe is a civilisation and we Europeans have shared culturally aspects and interests in today's world.
Make it a confederation ; like Swizerland and without a President !
@@Just-lz7tl we'll call it EU
The FRONTEX agency definetly needs to have a more human-friendly interactions, but I do support it`s expansion for the sake of EU security, since relying on the US for protection all the time is not ideal.
we need to preserve europe, letting the religion of terror in will be the downfall of europe.
@@glennvdh2348 so letting the cristians in will be the downfall? I fully agree with that statement.
@MoCo MoCo oh I fully knew that i was not original, I wont waste brain cells on someone that honestly belives that Islam is a religion of terror or taht cristianity is a religion of peace. They are to big parts the same thing with diffrent names. Curtesy of Islam being a decendent of cristianity and jesus being considderd a very wise and importand prothed in islam.
@@glennvdh2348 The thing that is often missed is why these people are fleeing to Europe, the Group of Muslims that try to come to Europe are normally a much more Liberal bunch and thats why they want to come to Europe to hide from their more Radical Counter partys, If properly vetted the peopling coming are just as Safe and can be just as Productive as everyone else.
@MoCo MoCo yes it has, cause the same quallitys that are seen as good in cristianity are seen as good in islam. I am not religous at all btw. I considder most religion borderline dangerous for progress.
I’m surprised that Frontex didn’t take over border controls when the Schengen area was established.
I hope it is.
How does frontex's budget compare to the USA and individual members existing agencies
Because FRONTEX can recruit it's own staff and buy it's own equipment, it's only logical that it's budget is higher than other agencies that rely on member states staff and equipment. I'm surprised to see this wasn't mentioned.
The US Border Patrol budget was about $3.8 billion and the US Coast Guard budget roughly in the vicinity of $10 billion, meaning they're much larger.
What’s wrong with having police on the border ? ❤️ frontex. That’s why we have borders and laws. It’s about time we improve and protect our borders. Hopefully they employ more people and improve the service even more.
4:26 The logo is Interpol not Europol lol. They are pretty different institutions.
small mistake at the beginning: in schengen you need to carry a passport or an other form of identification (no drivers licence) if you leave your country
dont you need to carry your passport at all times anyways?
@@tomendruweit9386 you only need an identity document
if you leave your house
If they start calling them enforcer corps, then Tom Clancy was correct. :0
I wouldn't mind seeing the E.U becoming a country
Yo, Based Department? 😎🇪🇺
More than a country, a federation of nations
Where are you from?
@@herculeskoutalidis1369 Ireland
@@helios4650 No, that is European thinking, an American would talk about how diffrent cultures don t mix.
edit:spelling.
What do you use to edit a video like this?
Europe will either be strong together or fall divided
This is not the start of an European army, but I do think a European army would be a good idea if properly funded...
Who would run it ,an un elected Dictator like VDL.
Never heard of Frontex in my life before. Ever.
Well now you did :)
its normal , since its a new thing
Climate change means that the need to control the EU's borders will only increase. Having a single agency means that cost can be shared more easily.
Is your European I love the idea of United Europe army
I don't know what that means but I completely agree.
I can understand the appeal, but, also as an European, I don't like it.
I feel the money would be better spent improving national forces.
I can imagine this being yet another source of pressure on national governments to behave, or lose border protection.
@@sangwaraumo Trying to protect EU borders at national levels is textbook 101 example of chaos, disorganization and complete waste of money. EU borders can only be protected at the European level, we need cooperation not division.
@@andrasadam8256 ruled by germany and monetry policy decided by germany and france is not corporation it is dictatorship
@@thevaidik_ would you call the US a dictatorship rulled by california and texas?
Now that the bad apple is gone I hope the EU can finally move forward with a more efficient, technologically advanced force that protects the EU. I don't really think you can compare Frontex to an actual EU army though. They seem more like a police force focused on borders.
"They seem more like a police force focused on borders" and I think that's great! The main "threat" EU faces rn isn't with countries, but with domestic terrorism, Frontex is dealing with the real problems 🙌🏻🇪🇺
I see lots of people hating on an United European Federation, but thats only cuz they know the ammont of power it would mean if Europe United under one country
No it's because we live in those countries that will die. Potentially forever.
The Roman Empire, Fascist Germany, Burgundy, Austrian Empire, Kingdom of Naples, all died, do you miss any of them, because thats what our future would feel about the time europe was devided
@@chickeninyeezes3759 dont u see ahahah people from those countries are all (almost) dead, its not about pesky traditions in your lifetime, its about giving future generations a more united and powerfull country they can live in, then they will created traditions of their own, a new culture and new traditions
@@sallmandar1027 why does the state have to be powerfull to provide happiness? If so shouldn't Americans be the most happy people in the world. And the culture and traditions that europe has enjoyed have been passed down for thousand of years. Irish mythology has a account of the irish first landing on the island for christ sake.
@@chickeninyeezes3759 how happy would people from european nations be, if another war started among them, a united europe would prevence these wars from happening, and without borders research and development would no longer be confined to one country
8:08 did anyone else see/hear this? Omg 😱
Societies should unite in improving our living standards, not militarism.
So much money & resources invested into avoidable situations.
I feel like the discussion about an EU army consistently forgets that there are members of the EU who are staunchly neutral. It doesn't always come down to 'this is more efficient, this means greater security. That's all well and good if you're a non-neutral state already in bed with NATO, but the creation of a unified EU army infringes on the right to neutrality. Even in instances where countries such as Austria, Ireland, Finland, Malta and Sweden aren't compelled to take part in the recruitment of the army (although likely they'd be required to help fund it) they will still be put under direct threat if they are seen as guilty by association of a belligerent EU military.
They are not staunchly neutral. Article 42 of the Treaty of the EU clearly states that: "If a Member State is the victim of armed aggression on its territory, the other Member States shall have towards it an obligation of aid and assistance by all the means in their power".
To have an armed force to do that is not that crazy as they have to do it anyway.
I think ireland dsniex the vote for an army anyways a few years back
@@MrMakabar But that's a massive issue as it is. No neutral nation should be obliged to aid another country in military matters. The creation of a eu military further exasperates that matter.
@@StevePlaysSteveplaysyotube They joined PESCO in 2018. Even if they did vote against it, they could be asked to vote again till they give the right answer (as per the Lisbon treaty)
the Europe borders need to be protected somehow....
@1:53 Ireland is NOT in the Schengen Area
Nice
FRONTEX sounds like a pissed off version of FEDEX
6:45 isn't this exactly what the European population wanted though ?
nop at max 20%
@@killua4717 repelling migrants I mean.
@@meneither3834 yes and no most people want illegal migrants to be sent back the problem is frontex dosnt even check if thes people have a right to refuge status. Would be the same as if you want to get unemployment benefits but they don't even check if you are eligible and just sent you away becaus you life in that part of the city
@@meneither3834 Illegal migrants you mean. Most have no issue with legal migrants I don' think. Which leads to a question of should the capacity of legal means be increased perhaps? Maybe.
@@killua4717 where did you pull that number from... or those facts...
Now it just needs mechanisms that can make sure that they never get lazy.
I just think that Europe NEEDS to unite its military force, and in my opinion, become a federation, it's just something we need, China, the US, Russia, India are very powerful and even dangerous empires with millions or billions of people. If we want our rights to continue we must defend them.
100% agreed with this. Not to mention how shallow and outdated is the idea of thumping one's chest and saying "my country's the best."
As for the loss of sovereignty, it's slowly happening precisely because of the big players elsewhere. Europe NEEDS to be more united.
I think the boarder control and protection is definitely necessary for the EU. Other than that, I don't know if this is the start of an European Army, hard to say. Maybe.
Without a proper governing body I find it difficult
idk why eurooeans are so against the idea when they basically depend on the US for defence...?
My experience is that two organisations with overlapping functions spell *trouble'"
It’s called Bureaucracy.
Ireland shouldn't be highlighted when you talk about the Shengen area at 1:53!
I thought Ireland was a neutral country.
@@kamanashiskar9203 Yes, it’s a neutral country but that doesn’t have anything to do with Shengen.
Its a great idea we need to observe the border of our European just like any other country would individually there is nothing wrong with that!!!
GOOD, anything to stop the replacement
Interesting. No-one seems to noitce that only Frontex is criticised while the pushbacks were conducted by Greece.
Europe has such natural borders that are easy to protect. A few boats could patrol Straight of Gibraltar. They could build a wall or fences around Turkish controlled area in Thrace. Hungary built their own fences and patrolled their border effectively in an area already deep within the European Union. Incentivize the Spanish and Greeks to stop them instead of allowing Turks to threaten to not stop them. If Europe can send 1,000s invading Iraq and Afghanistan they can send 100s defending their sovereignty and culture.
@TLDR ok, this video reeks of anti-EU bias on from the TLDR staff...
There's no apparent bias in the information, but there is clear bias in the way you are presenting it.
Calling border security an army is like calling customs agents an army.
Calling an organisation 'already controversial' is slanted... the examples you provided would allow for 'controversial actions from FrontEx' but doesn't mean the entire organisation is controversial.
Pointing out that national organisation will have problems hiring border guards because FrontEx also hires them without proof of a shortage or difficulty filling vacanies is also slanted.
I think it was more to have a captivating title than any bias, but i see where you come from...
Frontex sounds like a chapter in Kama Sutra.
"Did you bring Frontex for safety?"
"Push the vessel harder baby!"
"Breach my Southern Border!"
"I'm about to release the migrants!"
TLDR you guys need to learn the difference between "its" and "it's"!! Both at 2:49 and the thumbnail at 1:54 are hard for my linguistically-trained eyes to look at!
1:50 thats not shengen highlighted but just eu
"A European army would be an irreversible step towards the European Federation"
I see this as an absolute win.
Austrian Empire: *Am I a joke to you?*
Indeed its about time Europe joined toghether as a Cultural, Economic and Military power on the world stage, if India, USA, China and Russia could, so can we
@@sallmandar1027 It won’t happen, there is too much memorable pain and the differing geopolitical interests won’t disappear. You see how Germany wants Russian energy while the US can use the anti russian block of poland and the baltics to place obstacles in its path. Polish and germans have no interest in living under the same flag, nor do French and romanians for example. Etc etc etc
@@bigyokes4747 Time heals everything.
Think about all EU countries have been through during last century, the simple fact EU exist despite that is a thing of beauty,
It isn't a "collective expulsion" if you simply reroute their vehicle as they try to breach your borders.
Well there is kinda a eu army. Its called takuba but its a small special forces unit gathered from eu countries and usually acts like peacekeepers
UK: Ah shit...
Holy Roman Empire strikes back!
Nah, nobody expect the Spanish Inquisition!
HRE
At least the EU is a much simpler entity.
@@seneca983 Which really just shows how unfathomably complicated the HRE was
@@cybershadow136 OMG if the EU is simpler then I am amazed that the HRE has survived for so long
As Himmler said: Third war will be not by weapon, but by an influx of people. Not exact quote
As a general rule, it’s a bad idea to make a point by quoting Heinrich Himmler
@@amyfinlayson2762
why snowflake?
What happened to the welcome party for everyone arranged by the witch from Germany
Everything started as a necessity