Thank you for sharing the video. hope more people actually learn more about actually history, instead of blindly agreeing to anything & everything that's propagated. 'Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it', Edmund Burke
Lyth Ng What makes you think this is real history? If I may, I would like you to think about this: Operation Cold Store was a open secret. Almost everybody then knew about it. But yet, they only voted for 13 Barisan members into the Parliament. If they could vote 13 oppositions members, they could vote out the PAP. Why did they not vote out the PAP?
Ang Teck Huat The same problem we have now. Now that they have destroyed all the viable leaders, who are we left with? Even if we don't like these leaders, we need someone to head the country. Also if you refer to the eleciton results,PAP only won a minority of the majority vote.
@@angteckhuat8209 Let's turn your ridiculous assertion on its head. Suppose Lee Kuan Yew, Toh Chin Chye, Devan Nair and Rajaratnam were arrested. Set free Lim Chin Siong, Lee Siew Choh and a few others. Would people still vote for the PAP? Don't make me laugh, goes to show many of these PAP apologists have cotton for brains... That's why Chan Chun Sing said cotton is from sheep.
Must admit that Dr. Thum's sense of humour makes this a very enjoyable presentation, if quite dense at times (probably due to my lack of contextual knowledge).
I only know I was in K1 ,most of my teachers got arrested never seen them again . maybe should release almost all of them. communism already collapsed 20 years ago have no place in modern world anymore.
One thing that is not clear to me is how the Special Branch seems to be under the direct control of the PAP Cabinet? I was under the impression that internal security in Singapore was run by the British all the way until independence...
Dr Thum, thanks for the vid, a very informative historical snippet of Singapore's early life-and-death struggles against the leftist radicals in the birth of a modern nation. LKY's brand of take-no-prisoners politics was forged early on which had guided him henceforth ever since he cut his teeth in fighting the pinkos who, in hindsight, would have doubtless stymied the breakneck pace of development of the city-state, had they been left to their devices. Historians in the future would have more to debate the merits of Operation Spectrum than Operation Coldstore. A minor critique on form if I may -- the only fly in the ointment in your presentation if you will is your ceaseless ambulating back and forth before the audience as you spoke if you were doing laps in pool, that I find in no small degree distracting. Best to you. Lester
Lester Kok What makes you think this is real history? If I may, I would like you to think about this: Operation Cold Store was a open secret. Almost everybody then knew about it. But yet, they only voted for 13 Barisan members into the Parliament. If they could vote 13 oppositions members, they could vote out the PAP. Why did they not vote out the PAP?
Ang Teck Huat What a strange and nebulous question! I suppose you aren’t posing a rhetorical one here. Indeed, the same could be asked, why did the PAP capture every general elections since its inception? Now, if you are not implying some fraud was at work in the past, then it is just your personal tendentious read on historical events. It has been said history is merely an ideological construct laid down by the victors, subject to occasional rewriting by revisionists. Dr. Thum, unlike most historical dilettanti, has invested time and academic efforts in his subject of interest. I would need to do a PhD myself to vouch for the total veracity of what was presented in his vid. But short of doing that, I am nothing loath to accept history at its face value -- it is not for nothing that we apply the term historian to address someone as such.
For people who denied this operation, this is what the great man had to say himself, in an interview with Times, 2010. “I’m not saying that everything I did was right, but everything I did was for an honorable purpose. I had to do some nasty things, locking fellows up without trial.” He literally admitted to operation coldstore!
Yup, like this academic said: We should have been a more liberal and democratic country in the 60s. Yup, maybe we should have guns to fight the gangster too. Typical guy using today's eyes to look at yesterday's world.
Thank you for sharing the video. hope more people actually learn more about actually history, instead of blindly agreeing to anything & everything that's propagated.
'Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it', Edmund Burke
Lyth Ng What makes you think this is real history?
If I may, I would like you to think about this:
Operation Cold Store was a open secret. Almost everybody then knew about it. But yet, they only voted for 13 Barisan members into the Parliament. If they could vote 13 oppositions members, they could vote out the PAP. Why did they not vote out the PAP?
Ang Teck Huat The same problem we have now. Now that they have destroyed all the viable leaders, who are we left with? Even if we don't like these leaders, we need someone to head the country.
Also if you refer to the eleciton results,PAP only won a minority of the majority vote.
@@angteckhuat8209 Let's turn your ridiculous assertion on its head. Suppose Lee Kuan Yew, Toh Chin Chye, Devan Nair and Rajaratnam were arrested. Set free Lim Chin Siong, Lee Siew Choh and a few others. Would people still vote for the PAP? Don't make me laugh, goes to show many of these PAP apologists have cotton for brains... That's why Chan Chun Sing said cotton is from sheep.
Kinda worried if this gent would get arrested on Singapore's internal security act if he says what he says here
Must admit that Dr. Thum's sense of humour makes this a very enjoyable presentation, if quite dense at times (probably due to my lack of contextual knowledge).
And a thank-you too to TOC for posting the vid…we need more sounding boards like TOC not less. :-)
Thank you for the historical background.
Thank you very much for the history. Appreciate greatly.
Bone Arete please check up on the real history not the twisted one presented here
I only know I was in K1 ,most of my teachers got arrested never seen them again . maybe should release almost all of them. communism already collapsed 20 years ago have no place in modern world anymore.
One thing that is not clear to me is how the Special Branch seems to be under the direct control of the PAP Cabinet? I was under the impression that internal security in Singapore was run by the British all the way until independence...
Dr Thum, thanks for the vid, a very informative historical snippet of Singapore's early
life-and-death struggles against the leftist radicals in the birth of a modern nation. LKY's brand of take-no-prisoners politics was forged early on which had guided him henceforth ever since he cut his teeth in fighting the pinkos who, in hindsight, would have doubtless stymied the breakneck pace of development of the city-state, had they been left to their devices. Historians in the future would have more to debate the merits of Operation Spectrum than Operation Coldstore.
A minor critique on form if I may -- the only fly in the ointment in your presentation if you will is your ceaseless ambulating back and forth before the audience as you spoke if you were doing laps in pool, that I find in no small degree distracting.
Best to you.
Lester
Lester Kok What makes you think this is real history?
If I may, I would like you to think about this:
Operation Cold Store was a open secret. Almost everybody then knew about it. But yet, they only voted for 13 Barisan members into the Parliament. If they could vote 13 oppositions members, they could vote out the PAP. Why did they not vote out the PAP?
Ang Teck Huat What a strange and nebulous question! I suppose you aren’t posing a rhetorical one here. Indeed, the same could be asked, why did the PAP capture every general elections since its inception? Now, if you are not implying some fraud was at work in the past, then it is just your personal tendentious read on historical events. It has been said history is merely an ideological construct laid down by the victors, subject to occasional rewriting by revisionists. Dr. Thum, unlike most historical dilettanti, has invested time and academic efforts in his subject of interest. I would need to do a PhD myself to vouch for the total veracity of what was presented in his vid. But short of doing that, I am nothing loath to accept history at its face value -- it is not for nothing that we apply the term historian to address someone as such.
@@lesterkok4485 low iq Sinkies will be low iq sinkies.
this place look like NUS society at Adam park
For people who denied this operation, this is what the great man had to say himself, in an interview with Times, 2010.
“I’m not saying that everything I did was right, but everything I did was for an honorable purpose. I had to do some nasty things, locking fellows up without trial.”
He literally admitted to operation coldstore!
Not the level of Stalinist purges, but it is good to know a little about history so it doesn't repeat itself...
30:00 - My favourite part
Is Dr Thum a Singapore citizen ? If he is so good, why don't he stand for election and become a MP ?
Grandpa 43 so everyone who isn't an mp is shit... Is that what u are saying
And pray tell, why does he need to be an MP?
Sometimes you can achieve more as an educator as opposed to politics.
They would arrest him? Like have you been living under a rock?
Lovely
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From Mao's mouth, winner king loser bandit. History are for the future generations to reflection.
Lee KuanYew is always known as 'founding father'. But he will never be founding father in my books, ever.
Preach!
This is very confusing... so who rules in Singapore now? The British, the Americans, the Chinese, the Malays, or what? This is very confusing.
So says the one that doesn't have the intellect to digest nuanced and complex arguments..
Israel
YOU GO AND LIVE IN MALAYSIA AND YOU WILL AND SHALL ENJOY YOUR LIFE .
Yup, like this academic said:
We should have been a more liberal and democratic country in the 60s.
Yup, maybe we should have guns to fight the gangster too.
Typical guy using today's eyes to look at yesterday's world.
Typical lapdog
@@DaUsher They always show up here like the lowlife degenerates they are.
I love listening to Mr. Kishore and DPM Tharman. I felt it's a waste of my time listening to yours....
It's okay. No one cares your opinion either
Spoken like a true afterbirth
fake news
If fake news then u reveal the truth lah
He looks n talks pretty effeminate
so?
he needs to straighten up
Eh, he swam across the Channel in 12 and a half hours eh, how much more manly do you need to get?
I swam it in 10.
Debmey Tan what does his looks and the way he talks have anything to do with the topic at hand? grow up.
Rubbish!!!
If rubbish then go and reveal the truth lah
@@mohammadrohani8477 I don't waste my time if it is rubbish!
@@MTMT-wm2dq How typical. Fulminating without a shred of evidence. That anger reflects in part, a fear of the truth, a fear of reasoned argument...