Vacuum Sealing Ammo - How Did It Hold Up?
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- čas přidán 9. 07. 2024
- Were going to revisit our vacuum sealing ammo storage solution to check for integrity and see how its held up in storage.
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If you take the time to arrange your ammo in the bag determines whether you gonna loose air or stay air tight. If you lay your ammo flat and seal it you will have best results, if you just throw it loose and seal it then any rounds that get sealed upwards will weaken the plastic and poke a hole.
I have been vacuum sealing my ammo since the first food saver went on the market. The key, which i am sure you have learned since this video, is to avoid any piercing of the bag regardless of size of the hole. I use cheapo sandwich bags, and slide each one of the vacuum sealed packs in their own bag, and this prevents any nicks, or damage when sliding in and out of the ammo box. After I started doing this, nothing lost its vacuum seal.
Yeah for sure. When at all possible, I keep them in the boxes and just seal those. If they are loose...double bagging is key like you said. Much easier with rounds that are rounded (9mm, 45, etc). When you get to the more acute rounds (mostly rifle)... gotta double bag because they will pierce if not situated correctly in the bag.
They didn’t loose air, they ended up getting air in them.
Have a cheapo version and 12 months later, no loss, in any. Not one. I’m calling user error, or you bought a lemon.
That said, sealed, even loosely, has to be better than in moisture absorbing cardboard. Plus, you’ve got them in cans with a rubber seal.
God bless ... and turn off the tv, everyone
HA! I've been doing this for 20 years! I leave them in the boxes and seal them up tight. I've had them stored all over; outside, inside, sheds, you name it. I still have ammo and it still works fine.
I finally got my food saver and use it more for this than actual food
@@G2niverse Oh man I use it for so much stuff. I actually vacuum sealed cans of dehydrated food so I could protect them better. Not sure if it was necessary lol.
Just did this and it works perfect for my go-bag or backpack thanks
yeah perfect application for that...
I double seal each end, just leave a little extra room. OR... leave a lot then you can cut the bag open, use some, then re-seal. Also, I vaccum-pack them in the box. A 50 rnd box of 9mm just fits sideways in the common size bag.
I like the idea of sealing the whole box... the double seal is definitely needed. Great advice.
@@G2niverse When I got my food-sealer I looked up usage on YT. A guy sealing up ammo was the first thing I watched. I thought... "I got ammo"! Just make sure you have a pocket knife when you go to shoot, or keep a small pair of scissors in your bag.
Maybe slight vacuum pulled atmospheric pressure from the ammo?
I’ve had ammo in regular cardboard factory boxes inside good condition .30 cal ammo cans for 50 years, no bags, no silica gel paks inside the cans (but a large one in the safe and closet) no vacuum, no moisture, just fine. Stored indoors or dedicated ammo safe of course with no wild temp swings. Also have reloads from my Father stored the same way in boxes in old .50 cal cans, no bags or gel paks, for over 60 years. That’s over 22,000 days, so I think you’re fine after 30 days sealed and with dessicant paks. 🤔
You’re overthinking it big time. The only way I would bag anything or go this extreme is if I was outdoors camping and exposed to dew and rain, or on a boat constantly. Think white water rafting, or a month at a hunting camp with your ammo can sitting on the ground 24/7.
Where you store it is most important, and what environment you expose it to.
With your setup here though you’re good for at least a century, so if that’s a requirement or it’s going to get rained on constantly or be stored outdoors, then you’re definitely ready for it! 👍
I use Zcorr VCI bags for long term. I have some Chinese 7.62x39 that vax sealed. I find I have to reseal it about every 2-3 years.
Nattleby thanks...yeah they dont get all the air out...
After the sealer stops, wait 10 seconds and hit the seal button again, I've Had wolf ammo sealed for over 6 years and still sealed and tight!!!
@@blackwolf-hm2hiWhat sealer and bag brands do you use?
I use the thick non transparent stuff.
I will usually keep them in the boxes as the vaccine sealer I have just crushes them but its added protection.
Put in some silica gel and seal then put them in another bag.
I usually buy ammo that has primer pockets and bullets sealed but I will seal them myself if reloading or buying unsealed.
With .223 / 5.56 I will keep them on stripper clips and put a spoon in each pack (many throw them away and can get alot for free if you know someone in the millitary. It makes loading mags very fast.
It's mostly protection from moisture/ water but also air and UV and also want to try and keep them at a stable temperature.
I would not be surprised if russian steel case berdan primers last longer as I have had soviet ammo dated as early as late 1945 (no wartime dates as maybe it's collectable, and I think the Russians still use corrosive primers as they last so long .
If its only been a month you could have just left the ammo on the shelf. I think you need a longer sample period
allan y Yes, but I was more concerned with it holding the seal. If the seal is going to fail its going to fail pretty quickly. If it holds for a month, it will hold for a year as long as were not moving it around.
Did you wear glove while handling the stee case before you sealed it?
No i didnt, almost all import steel case is are poly coated so trace oils shouldnt damage the case or cause any corrosion.
It’s the corners of the rounds under pressure picking through the bag tried thus several times you have to stop the rounds from firming ridges to rip the plastic as it gets tighter
blksubiesti You make a great point!
What vacuum sealer do you use
food saver...dont tell my wife...lol
Higher powered rounds have a better slug to case seal for higher operating pressures.
My food saver vac sealer has the same issue I just double seal stuff
Good to know... I'll give it a shot.
Two vacuum bags is the real deal for Decades.
A vaccum bag inside another vaccum bag.
I wonder if throwing in a dessicant pack would make a difference? Just the small food grade packets that are included in freeze dried meal? They are cheap on Amazon, silica gel packets. Just wondering. Thanks for the video, just subscribed, lots of interesting videos.
I did throw 3 or 4 in there as well. I got a pack of 250 for $5 I think on amazon.
Also get gas absorbers. After nobama bullets dont last, they are apparently now made to degrade over time from oxidizing
A dessicant is not a bad idea, an oxygen absorber though is a must.
Can this ruin your ammo because I hear something sliding around sounds like the gunpowder is loose sounds like Maracas so I'm just wondering does it mess it up
Hmmm haven't heard that before.
@@G2niverse also put petroleum jelly on the outside of the seal on a ammo box we do it on atv air intake seals keeps out moisture
You can always hear the powder moving around in a loaded cartridge. Rifle powder is in larger granules and sounds like sand or even tiny rocks. Perfectly normal. If you CAN'T hear the powder moving, that's potentially an issue.
I double mine its not the air in the bullet its rubbing together on the other bullets i doubled mine up and I have never had that problem again
weldn alday You make a great point!
@@G2niverse and after I vacuum it and it seals i move the bag down a 1/4 of and inch or so and seal it again 2 seals on the top and bottom
What do you mean ammo in boxes and rub against each other
I'm considering doing the same with a vacuum sealed glass jar. ignore the jerks commenting. thank you for your video
No in doing this I have 7.62x39 from 1980 that shoot fine and not sealed this way. No problem no problem!
How is it sealed?
I've had about a 95% success rate with bags sealing using food saver I've had some packed for over a decade now.
Thanks for the response @PaulM-kc2tk The ones from this video are still absolutely fine. Beats packing them in cosmoline...lol
There was a little air left. The ones that are more loose can corrode but will take a yr or more.
If you toss the bags around they can get punctured, maybe what happened to the 9s.
Yeah good point.
Awesome. I thought I created this idea. Now I'm going to send this video to my friends who all made fun of me for doing it.
burn em
The military created this idea about 100 years ago. or more.
You could let ammo opened up anywhere and it would be fine after a month..
True
He was testing the sealing, not whether or not the ammo was going to be good.
@@247wingmaster9 Either way, its a month.... you're missing the point. A year or more, then were talkin.
The rim of the ammo cuts the bags. I tried to seal silver and gold coins and they did the same
Good feedback...maybe keeping them in the carton is the way to go??
Why would you vacuum seal gold?
How long do you think these would last submerged underwater. Also maybe keep a razor blade taped to the lid incase you need to get at these fast.
William Winn than have a quick tear tab on the bag so no tools needed...not sure about submerged.
Loose your guns and ammo during a boating accident, gee. ☺️☺️☺️
As long as it's not deep and it's airtight, should be fine. Obviously the deeper the harder to retrieve. I lost mine in an accident too.
Load them in the mag then seal it
Not a bad idea...I like it
What I'm wondering about this is would the ammo still perform packed like this for 20 years?
My experience is that the vacuum seal usually fails within a year or 2. I have moved to using Zcorr Vapor Corrosion Inhibitor bags for loooong term storage, or buying spam cans if that is an option. The Zcorr bags are made for 50 cal and 30 cal ammo can sizes and they seal up well.
Also, I can tell you that I have had pistol ammo vacuum sealed in the trunk of my car for two years. I live in PA so hot humid summers and cold wet winters. The ammo looked and fired as if new, no corrosion, misfires, or hang fires
It’s absolutely would. I have a case that was sealed back in WW2 of Russian 7.62x54r opened it and it fired perfectly. When I was in the Marines we fired ammo all the time even bigger stuff like 60mm mortars a d grenade launcher rounds that were from Korea and Vietnam era
@@blksubiesti yea get some ammo cans or pcv pipe and seal them up with air absorbers it will easily last 20 years just open them up every 5 years and reseal them to be safe
When I was in Iraq we were firing some ammo
Made in Korea and Vietnam with no problems I personally have some from WW2 that works fine. Let that guide you lol
I wouldn’t say leave it in a lake for years but a shelf in your house it’ll be fine
I have 45ACP and 40 S&W and 223and 76x39 in the box they came in and are stored in a foot lockers from 2016 or longer and they shoot just fine so I really get all these doomsday prepper people? But hey, it's your time and money so all the power to you all. But with that said I'm sure there could be good reasons to do this for some people?
well i have them in the original boxes and the brass started to darken due to moisture in the air
@@thesayxx need silica packets
6 years is nothing. Ammo starts breaking down around the 10 year mark, you'll notice it more in stuff like 22lr. Once the decades pile up the ammo will become completely useless especially if it's unsealed. Thus vacuum packing, putting them in a military can outside of it's box with a good gasket and not opening it until you need it.
Just because you're an Elmer that goes to Walmart to buy all your needs doesn't mean people who stock up are money wasters. But you quote "really get all these doomsday prepper people" so I'm not sure why you're against this video
I've talked to people who had ammo go bad due to infiltrations or even floods. You might not need it where you live.
Have you (or anyone) ever tried shooting bullets after they've been vacuum sealed? I've read vacuum sealing them can mess them up even though they look good
First of all it was only stored for a month, second you didnt test any of it.
This was merely a foodsaver review
You are aware that my videos do not air in real time right? The original video was filmed LONG before it posted to youtube. But i appreciate the comment and yes, the food saver is awesome.
@@G2niverse but on 5:41 you say "after a month of storage"
No need, there's enough corroboration here from other people that have been doing this for a very long time.
Everything you packed was steel cased. Just buy it in spam can and leave it. Why waste your time repackaging.
Well i was testing out if it works (which it does) and spam cans don't come in nice 40 round packages. You open a spam can and you'll have to package them anyways. I like being able to grab a pack and throw it in my range bag.
Seems like he wanted to..
They don’t hold up. Just store In the ammo can lol
I dont know man, so far the 9mm was the only one that failed. Every other pack has stayed sealed and its been close to 9 months now.
I've stored a whole 1400 rd 22LR "Bucket of Bullets " in 14, 100rd bags.
It's been at least three years now and all are still sealed up tight
You should seal it, double or triple. If you have household vacuum. Industrial is much better. So if you have a friend who has professional, vacuum equipment. Do that.
Agreed
I agree. I have been double sealing, or sliding the vacuum sealed bags into cheap regular sandwich bags. It prevents nicks or scrapes when you’re placing into the final storage unit. I found rolls of bags on Amazon that actually make it cost-effective to seal it more than once. Because it starts getting expensive using the actual food saver namebrand.
Seal it then pull it out a little and seal a second time
Good tip
That's an interesting idea but I think you'll find that only the tiniest fraction of your leaks are actually the seal. Still... can't hurt.
Load as a loose pile as junk and you get leaks.
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only if you allow them to move around and rub against each other. Keep them stationary and they're just fine. I've had loose packed ammo for over a decade, still nicely sealed.
I stored my ammo for a month vacuum sealed, I wonder how they look
lol
You do realize this video is like 5 years old right? BTW still have half of it still sealed and its perfectly fine. Stop trying to be a smart ass...its not impressive.
@@G2niverse It’s just funny how you can store ammo for one month not airtight and it will look exactly the same after a month
Anyway, I hope your ammo is still good
@@G2niverseIt’s 3 years old. His comment was valid regardless based on the comments in the video. Please read my comment just made. This level of storage isn’t needed unless the ammo is going to be regularly exposed to the elements. Forget looking fine after 3 or 5 years, the way you’re storing it, it will be pristine after 75-80 years easily, as long as you keep it in an ammo can indoors in a temp controlled environment. A floor of an interior bedroom closet is ideal. When I take ammo outdoors, I sometimes do bag it, but then put it in a Cabela’s plastic dry box and you could drop it in the river and it will be fine. Your level of extra precaution is even better in that outdoor example, and I’m not saying it isn’t admirable, but it really isn’t necessary in most cases.
1 month 😅😅
I mean I can pull them out now 4 years later if that makes you feel better.
@G2niverse nah wait another 10 then we will test them
Lol gun channels on YT will never make it that long
Lmao,, do you honestly think that the air from inside the cartridge is what made the air in the bags?
Barry Oakes as opposed to? There are no punctures in the bag and its double sealed.
@@G2niverse the bag is leaking,, Hence the “other “ bags you have there is no leakage! Lmao,, air from bullets
I have been using vacuum sealers for quite awhile now, You need to DOUBLE BAG your ammo,That will keep the sharp edges of the extraction ring from cutting your single bag. Or you can use what they call "Bone sheets" to place over your rounds before vacuum sealing. Even then you must handle these gently any rubbing can still cause a leak in the plastic bags. And one last thing...DOUBLE SEAL BOTH ENDS OF THE BAG, Very important. Take your time and experiment plastic is cheap...Good luck.
@The Faceless Nomad nice any pictures
@The Faceless Nomad also what are bone sheets?
I sealed my boxes.
sealed loose in rows
placed in ammo can...its not rocket science. you're all welcome
I kept wondering why he didn't just seal the whole box, instead of taking the ammo out? Seems like it would make way more sense.
Tan Man You make a great point!
@@glenk.1639there's different ways to skin a cat.
@@glenk.1639 I've done both. If you want to get more into the ammo can, lose the box, it probably takes up 50% more space.
The box could contain moisture
Why even bother vacuum sealing steel cased ammo lol
Why not?
Because steel cased ammo rust you Genius 😂
@@billsmith130 that’s the reason he’s seeing it genius. To prevent oxidation genius…
I can show you what happens when you leave a .45 acp steel round in a shed for 15 years.
Vacuum bagging ammo is bad pulls bullets out
I lost brain cells reading this
Found the fudd.
Show me
Only if the case neck tension is so weak a toddler could pull the bullet by hand. There's not much air in a case to begin with. There's an oxidizer already in the powder mixture for ignition, hence why there's very little to start with.