AMD Threadripper Motherboards are Insane: TRX50 & WRX90 Board Round-Up
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We're taking a look at some of the currently announced TRX50 & WRX90 motherboards as we await arrival of AMD's Threadripper 7000 CPUs, like the 7980X, 7970X, 7960X, and the Threadripper Pro line. The motherboards are largely workstation-focused (although we did see some LN2 mode switches and other enthusiast features), and that means a heavy emphasis on I/O. Given Threadripper's I/O capabilities, that makes sense.
This is more of an overview of the options coming out to help get everyone (including ourselves) familiar with the new AMD Threadripper lineup. The boards featured today include the ASUS TRX50-SAGE WiFi (and its WRX90 board), the ASRock WS motherboard, Gigabyte's Aero D Threadripper board, and Supermicro's H13SRA-F.
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TIMESTAMPS
00:00 - AMD's Threadripper TRX50 & WRX90 Motherboards
01:13 - Compatibility & Overview
02:09 - MSI Absent from Threadripper
02:42 - ASUS TRX50-SAGE, WRX90
09:02 - ASRock WS Board
13:26 - Gigabyte Aero D Threadripper
16:13 - Supermicro
18:03 - Conclusion
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I just wish that AM5 was more like these. Not having 2 or 3 x16 electrically wired slots is really detrimental of being able to run a small home server on older cost effective hardware (like a 16 port raid card or cheap extra nic for example).It means when you upgrade from AM5 to a new board in the future the am5 board might not be good as a router etc.
Usually the ones I know who are "blazing" it up are slower than the ones who are "hyper".
***STEVE***
Over the years, I have gone into the online store so many times. Unfortunately, I always stop when I reach the checkout. The U$ to CAN$ is a killer, especially when you add shipping on top! Is there any way that the store could have a Canadian 'warehouse,' with CAN$ pricing and shipping? I think GN would benefit. It may require you to put on your fair sales hat, but that's a problem I'm sure you could solve in spades. Maybe you could feel out the potential customer interest in a video question or poll? Remember Business 101, it's better to have a percentage of something, then 100% of nothing. And, the easiest methods of growth is through expansion! Thoughts?
Your new website design has really poor readability on the dates of articles. I don't think I would have seen them if I didn't expect there to be dates. The dark gray melds into the dark blue. A lighter gray would be much better, better yet would be something similar to the category box underneath the article.
Are all the OEMs in on the only 4 RAM slots thing?
honestly, I'd expect "reduces the risk of fire" to come from Gigabyte, not Asrock
ooooof. The internet remembers.
It could also be considered a shot at Gigabyte
@@GamersNexus Never seen Patrick Stone review PSU for a long time. Did he caught PTSD ( Pyro Traumatic Stress Disorder ) from the explosion of Gigabyte PSU back then ?
Asrock is dogshit and should sell their motherboard division to EVGA for 0¥
If you're buying a PSU from gigabyte.. well, that's your first mistake. I'll never buy a PSU that doesn't start with the letter Seasonic.
I forgot how batshit insane HEDT boards can get. This new generation of Threadripper gonna be wild.
They’re basically server boards that trade necessary (at this level anyway) server features for onboard WiFi and cool colors/heatsinks.
@@ChrisM541Linus does 😂
@@Chukijay Server boards typically have about 1/2 to 1/3rd the VRM and lean heavily on active cooling to keep the board from cooking. When it comes to efficiency and peak power, there simply is no comparison to a good HEDT board.
@@user-mk4or5yu9r Individuals running CZcams channels need computers this powerful.
@@Chukijay Yes, i don't get the shoving of massive heatsinks on boards and their effectiveness. The cheap MSI B550 MPG board i have has 4 giant pieces of metal on it, even though most companies put them on boards to justify doubling-tripling the price of the board. As i've been watching an older vid from GN about top priced motherboards not even including a debug LED screen, i start wondering why there are boards that for little to almost no advantage over mid, even entry level boards they cost 3 times or 4 times more. Why would you even pay 500$ for a motherboard nowadays? The board i have has BIOS flashback, 4.0 x16 PCI, digital audio, a decent VRM, 6 SATA, 2 M.2, front and rear USB 3.2, onboard lighting, diagnosis LEDs etc. Why would anybody pay 400$ more for a "top" board? Just for WiFi and 10Gb ethernet?
HEDT motherboards have always been one of my favorite things in the PC world, they are surely the craziest pieces of hardware there is. I remember how there were whole articles written about how beautiful and artistic HEDT motherboards are. They are truly pieces of hardware art. Consumer motherboards are nothing compared to the craziness of HEDT motherboards in every aspect possible.
Agree: I‘m still struggling if I should sell my Gigabyte Designare EX X399 Threadripper Combo with 1920x. I still keep it as a nice Test platform to test hardware, OS, ZFS layouts etc.
gigabyte support just sent me a Beta BIOS with Resize BAR option :)
These HEDT motherboard are truly the _creme de la creme_ of desktop motherboards!
@@weisstdudochnicht1 I can’t bring myself to sell my ASRock x99 Taichi hedt board. I love the aesthetic and functionality of the board. It released later in the x99 cycle and already has multiple M.2 slots and other bells and whistles.
Even though it isnt as crazy as many modern TR boards, still pretty awesome.
Been thinking about framing it and just pin it to the wall like its an art piece.
Do you remember what AMD did to every TRX40 user? Do you remember that infamous "long term support promise"?
@@ChrisM541looks longingly at my TRX40 board and 3960X
In my experience, the backplate serves more of a protective role. These boards are absolutely packed, and you will find a lot of surface mount devices on the back that can be damaged by standoffs during install.
It was the detailed board diagram and feature/component videos that originally caught me attention to this channel. Always glad to see this kind of content.
I bet Wendell is going to have a field day with these. Although I don't have any use for HEDT (yet... you know how that goes) just seeing how cool these things are is nice. Often you get the impression that manufacturers really don't care about consumers but HEDT boards almost make it look like that's not the case.
Hahaha, Wendell will do awesome things with these!
The difference you've picked up on comes down to the fact that gaming focused PCs are, for want of a better word, toys. Expensive yes, but still toys. HEDT on the other hand is a tool to be bought for business/making money. It is a completely different mindset.
@@monkohm6918Gaming focused PCs, perhaps, yes. But people use even consumer PCs for far more tasks. For me, I use a repurposed workstation (which is the price of a consumer PC) as a home server. And those tasks are far more involved and important than that of a toy, they involve more learning, gaining knowledge, and yes, having fun also.
FEA, RT....
I do miss my old Threadripper setup for value, but it helped me to realize I needed full enterprise instead.
What made you make the jump?
What Steve said, plus I am curious to know what your use-case / industry is
@@GamersNexus Not OP, but I made the jump for ECC RAM, and lots of it. Rock-solid stability since I ditched the consumer RAM and went ECC. I also can run as many SSDs as I care to buy for ridiculously-fast RAID 0. I do a lot of compiles and work with large, temporary databases. As an independent consultant, HEDT is the sweet spot between consumer desktop and insanely expensive enterprise stuff.
@@sharpjs Not GN, but they were asking what made him jump to enterprise, not to HEDT.
love the humor Steve, keep up the great work counting the letters and the numbers when they count being counted!
The longer I play around in homelab'ing, the more lanes and enterprise NVME I find myself wanting in a platform. Loving the server-grade I/O on most of these new boards!
I really love how the Asus PRO Series boards look. It's got the clean, function-focused design of server boards (esp. in the heatsinks) with the fancy black PCBs of consumer boards. Maybe I'll get one in a few years when these systems depreciate in value.
@@billygrennek5299 Ooh yeah, those definitely look nice! But given the prices, if I really do want a clean-looking GPU, I can just buy a regular ol' card and slap a minimalistic waterblock on it.
How quickly people forget the recent scandals of ASUS.
@@benisrood That's partly why I'd rather wait. To see if Asus actually improves over time, and to make sure the boards hold up well. And since I'd be buying the board used, I wouldn't be directly giving money to Asus.
I'm glad there are motherboards that don't look like discount Gundam knock-offs.
You'll be waiting for awhile, HEDT platforms barely depreciate in value even after end of life. Take intel's x99,x299 OEM mobos for example, they're still pretty expensive on the used market and TRX50/WRX90 will be significantly more expensive.
That supermicro board looks super interesting.
I've been dipping my toes into server hardware lately, and the capability of it is truly amazing.
From the looks of it, the supermicro board might be one of the cheapest of the bunch, but also one of the best.
The problem with their boards that I’ve found is sometimes they don’t provide the maximum amount of power a cpu is rated for.
The board looks like every supermicro board for the last 20yrs ha.
Just depends what you're needing the computer to do, if gaming is the objective then server motherboards probably aren't the answer.
supermicro isn't exactly among the cheapest of vendors, they mostly sell server grade stuff and offer a long ass guarantee, that ain't cheap, even compared to HEDT parts
it's a server grade stuff with enterprise-tier networking, it can easily be most expensive of those all
WRX90 are clearly the best boards to watch youtube videos on. Could be a good investment for browsing the internets
Can't wait to see the benchmarks for these cpus
I have an older supermicro (Xeon 2600 v3/v4 lga2011-3) ATX board with dual sockets. They tend to be good about offering ATX options where others don’t.
These boards are nuts.
Be sure you plug the power supplies into independent circuits on the off chance you blow your breaker... cause they went there.
As a Naval electrician, I don't think most homes/apartments have each outlet with it's own circuit. I think they tie them all together into the same breaker. But, what do I know? Like I said, I'm only an electrician on the Navy side. lol
Some circuits share a breaker, but they don't all do.
@@Bonqiqi Typically your high power consuming electrical appliances, like your fridge, electrical oven and so on, should be on a separate circuit.
@@LaughingSkull451 Yikes, you're an electrician but don't know the difference between it's (it is) and its (possessive)?
@@vdochev Fridges almost never have a dedicated circuit because they are designed to use less than 800 watts at peak.
Electrical ovens almost-invariably use a 220V circuit, irrelevant to the discussion.
Most codes require microwave ovens to have a dedicated circuit.
I would love more design like this in the gamer market. So tired of child toy aesthetics.
Agreed. Curse all kiddies.
I think the Asus ProArt boards look pretty professional.
@@ShroudedWolf51 ...except they had to ruin it with that "Built for pros" text on the I/O shroud. At least the exhaust fan should cover it, I guess.
Definitely in agreement there. Mainstream motherboards for ATX gaming systems have the worst marketing.
The Asrock LiveMixer looks down, shamed and embarrassed by your callous comment.
I wish i had a need to build one of these, they sound awesome.
HEDT seems to be making a comeback, curious how it holds up against some of the epyc chips.
@@ChrisM541how many times are you going to spam this dude? Go back to UserBenchmark and leave us alone lmfao
Who other than AMD is making an HEDT part except for the companies making these MBs?
You know why MSI is sitting this out? It's too niche. It's not enough business to make them money. Why do you think Intel and Nvidia dropped the HEDT market?
It's nice and all AMD is doing this, most likely because they have die that won't work for EPYC which is a lot more demanding especially for the IOD, but it's not going to make AMD money, in fact they'll probably lose money on it which is why they skipped HEDT for Zen 3. And this gets back to a point I've never validated but most likely true, when a person buys TR HEDT, most likely they have hardware they're trying to add to these system, like different add on PCIe adapters which is the only reason you need those extra PCIe lanes since any slot is STILL at max X16. Just a wild guess but I imagine there's often issues that come up and the consumer needs help trying to figure out how to get things to work and they turn to AMD for support. But HEDT isn't WS and it's not something AMD is obligated to offer personal support for getting systems working for each person. So, a person buys HEDT and has an expectation of support, but that's why you buy a PRO system which companies that make PRO hardware typically have support packages just like in the world of server.
And even in the world of adapters for PCIe, even this is dying out. There used to be a lot of RAID controllers produced, but software RAID is typically replacing RAID controllers, so anything beyond say an PCIe gen4 NVMe X16 adapter which is basically connecting 4 disks straight to the PCIe lanes is becoming more rare.
AMD CAN make money on TR PRO WS because it costs more and probably sold with support packages. But HEDT? No, and as desktop becomes more powerful the need for HEDT dies even more.
How would HEDT do vs. EPYC? I'd ask how does TR HEDT do against TR PRO. Server parts are binned to use less power. They don't clock as high. Power consumption is everything in the world of server.
@@I_enjoy_some_things That moron ranted SO HARD on Gamers Nexus's video covering the announcement of TR 7000. I stopped counting after having seen some 20 comments. I'm starting to suspect he's a paid actor.
@@johndoh5182 MSI pulled out because they know not even The Braindead will touch Threadripper 7000. Why? -
--> Because everyone knows AMD 100% royally shafted their entire non-pro HEDT userbase with that TRX40 insanity !!!
--> Threadripper 7000 HEDT will, obviously, be a huge failure.
Check out that Gigabyte Threadripper MB - only THREE(!!!) PCIe slots and severely limited IO - and thats with PCIE Gen 5 ffs....now check out the 4 year old PCIe Gen 4 TRX40 Asus Zenith II Extreme - night and day difference. Even MB manufacturers are, rightly, out to destroy AMD's TR 7000 series.
Intel did not drop HEDT. That's what Xeon W is
i know i'll never have the money to spend on a threadripper setup, but a boy can dream!
very colourful! I like
"5090 Cinderblock Edition" Makes me want to get some of them red I-beam case kits, and build a tower that looks like an unfinished skyscraper, so I have just the build for it! Best of all, it could fit these huge motherboards easily!
Remember back in the late 90's- mid 2000's when most consumer motherboards all came with five expansion slots at the very least? Flash-forward to today, and you're lucky to get four slots while paying a outrageous mark-up on most enthusiast boards.
Gigabyte rolling in with way fewer slots than some B550 boards while likely costing at least 3x as much.
Almost Nobody uses them anymore
Sli died suddenly. Prices of graphic cards probably.
There's definitely less need for them and less people using them so it's understandable, but I still hate to see boards with barely any PCIe slots. Back in the day you'd need a sound card and in the 90s you might have a 2D GPU alongside a Voodoo for 3D. Nowadays everything is built into the mobo, including wifi sometimes, so expansion is only needed for a discrete GPU and maybe capture card or some niche card you might need.
But back then you had expansion boards for everything because they ran proprietary/odd cables. My flatbed scanner was SCSI and came with a card. Both my printers were LPR so I needed an extra card because the board only had one. My TV tuner was on a separate card. My sound card was separate. Today all that god-awful junk either no longer exist, is USB or is build into the motherboard.
Today most people don't even use internal grabber cards. Basically after the GPU the rest are just for raiser cards for more NVMe slots.
14:41 😂😂😂 you heckin got me with the cinder block 😂😂😂
You know, I'd expect tests with a Supermicro board. These systems are for workstations and stability is king and Supermicro is the first brand that I would think of when stability is needed.
I need this. I don't need this. But I need this.
I'm fully expecting to see a slot in our Robot Overlords' chests for housing an Nvidia 5090 Cinder Block edition. Rumor has it that the downclocked ones will reveal themselves if you rub their chests and the die mark comes off.
Thanks Steve!
Nice, the glasses look slick.
As more appears on the I/O back plate, the two things that should appear on all motherboard I/O back plates are the back up battery and the clear bios jumpers/switch, as these often are places in such ridiculous places you have to dismantle your build either to remove the battery or use the jumper/switch to reset the bios to default should the system fail such that you cannot access the bios via the keyboard and monitor.
Some of the newer consumer boards that have connectors at the back also have the battery exposed at the back.
Those should have switches on the I/O! But yes, you are right, you should be able to access any component independently without having to take anything else off/out.
@@benisroodany component? Didn't have that since I used a system built on a s100 baseboard 😂
I think generally just removing one or two cards is sufficient to reach the battery, which is not a big deal to do once every 10 years when it runs out, but I definitely agree on having a clear CMOS button on the mobo rear I/O.
Honestly I'd be happy just having stuff like that on a spot that won't get covered by cards. If you're busting your BIOS so often you need to clear it that often, you're probably as well running it with the case side/front plate removed anyway, and keeping it away from the outside of the case helps stop butterfingers (or curious fingers) from doing the oops and wrecking what could be carefully-tuned settings.
I know a couple of folk with TR, and i swear they've never been happier with a PC since dvd drives became a thing, stupidly deliriously happy....
I missed HEDT, these things are mesmerizing to look at
Thanks Steve
WRX90 EVO, definitely... A Subaru WRX and a Mitsubishi EVO came together and made a motherboard.. Who would have thought...
Finally someone is acknowledging the 5090 CB edition!
Jokes aside I do want to upgrade my TR 2950 but the fact that nobody is announcing prices does concern me, probably I will not be able to afford any of this and go back to regular cpus for work (Especially after this whole year of strikes in the film industry).
Nice thing about Intel Sapphire Rapids is that the W790 board is one platform for both 2400 and 3400 CPUs. So even if you "invest" in a high-end motherboard, you can get a more budget CPU and upgrade it later.
Wish AMD's PRO platform would support both CPU series
I really hope those Display Port in to Thunderbolt 4 out becomes way more common. Especially helps with a lot of thunderbolt displays such as the Pro Display XDR.
Makes sense. SKYNET is going to need kickass hardware to run on.
The Ryzen Pro motherboards in some of our work HEDT boards were enough, these look absolutely mad. Can't wait to try and justify getting some for our designers ;-)
One thing I'd like to see with these boards is PCIe bifurcation support testing.
Something as simple as an x16 card with 4 M.2 slots properly wroking would be good to see. You could go for something more spicy too, like a riser card that has 4 x4 PCIe slots on it, and a different device plugged into each.
De8auer was ahead of the game convincing lian Li to add a second power supply spot to the o11d
I miss my CoolerMaster Stacker case and my two power supplies setup. Good old times.
i'm getting flashbacks to when i had the 1950x shortly after launch. spent ~1 hour trying to get the damn cpu socket to close right and apply the right pressure to the pins. and even when i got it all seated correctly, it was a constant troubleshooting game. so many random issues lol. mainly, the ram not working right and leading to a blue screen. fun times.
The only problem I ever had with my 1920x was one of the RAM slots was soldered wrong, and even then that mysteriously fixed itself during a test rebuild (I wasn't maxing the RAM anyway so I just used different slots initially)
always great when broken hardware fixes itself somehow lol. @@bosstowndynamics5488
Those kryosheet heat transfer pads look interesting
I'd urge people not to buy the ASUS variant. I currently use the threadripper pro 3955WX, and I went with the ASUS sage WRX80 board. It was great, until the ipmi failed. I RMA'd it, where they claimed there was damage to the board that didn't match the photos I took before I sent it. They then shipped it back via fedex, without signature and it got stolen. I didn't get an insurance payout because there was no signature required and ASUS never gave me the option. I lost one of my first professional video editing clients because of ASUS. I use the Asrock board now and it's better plus it has TB4.
I know the two placards to the left of Steve (thank you, Steve) are corrections for the mod-mats, but what are the 3 stars about? Are those stickers?
Great overview of what we can look forward to with TRX-50/WRX90 mobos. Thanks Steve!
Nice to see Supermicro in the game; my first PC build was with a Supermicro MB for my Pentium 133. Quality motherboards IMO.
In the market for a no frills rock solid MB, please review the SuperMicro.
These platforms are going to be insanely priced. Would love to have one for the performance, though. Where's the trx50 aorus master and evga trx50 dark? I know it's early but we can hope.
can definitely tell that some of the design choices/limitations set on TRX50/90 is meant to make sure they don't cut into epyc sales.
Hardly anyone bought TR to begin with. I have no idea who their audience is. Most business go with Xeons.
Threadripper has always been a balancing act of giving people more than Ryzen while not letting those lovely Epyc margins get away. I was genuinely surprised non-Pro models came back.
They went away because they didn't sell, and neither will these. It's a product that has no real market anymore. @@benjaminoechsli1941
Its ana amzing time to build a homelab / server . So many great choices with efficient and powerful systems with flexible i/o
Impressive WRX STi
The Z790 Aero G has the same display port setup and it's for what you mentioned. Run a short cable from GPU to the display port in then USBC to a display. Can't wait for this stuff to hit market and reviews to start coming out, probably going to build myself a TRX50 workstation next year so I can finally have more PCIE slots and proper ECC support. AMD better not drop support this time around.
Just what I wanted. Threadripper 7000 motherboard news.
Aside from the awesomeness of the HEDTs.... I love the dry humour. I am editing while listening to this and caught myself chuckling out loud... eg blazing and hyper and the 5090 cinderblock edition...
Did like the ASUS boards although after their AM5 quality issues I'd gone off their brand.
Gonna keep an eye on this. I am moving to more workload heavy use as I am moving more and more from photography to videography, which has led me into the world of blender and vfx.
I was waiting for the 8950x but one of these 7960 or 7970s might be the go depending how badly we are going to get gouged out here in Australia and if I can play Apex Legends on it (I only ever play 1 game at a time and never single player games).
Interesting that the first Asus one(and Gigabyte one?) has RAM between the VRM and the CPU, heard that can be an issue for the signal. Maybe the traces just go around the RAM but that would make them longer. Or maybe the board is thick enough?
Yea I'd say these boards are at least 10 layers, but who knows.
I believe Supermicro may have some nice computing node in 2U form factor soon. Ideal for buildservers
Ordering the Gigabyte one soon as it launches it's exactly what I wand in an HEDT board.
Gonna have Buildzoid do a breakdown like years past?
Blazing: Gen5x4, Hyper: Gen4x4 (shown at 11:55 and 11:59)
For the Gigabyte Aero D, I have the X570S Aero G board, and it has the same DP-in port, for looping it to the Type-C port for display.
This is exciting because it means more 3 and 5 series Threadrippers on the used market
They will be so abused though...
Don't forget about vendor locked examples! Some of TR 5000 cpu's locked to dedicated oem motherboard and will not boot on other boards!!! Be very careful before you buy!! If CPU was installed in Lenovo workstation and now on sale standalone - this is very expensive brick.
@@benisroodIt's a workstation CPU. CPUs already have such a low failure rate relative to other parts. They'll be absolutely fine
5090 Cinderblock. Good one. 🤩
The Viganyte board will be using that Displayport to do passthrough to thw usb4 port. I have the X570S Aero and it has the same setup.
I want an old-fashioned green motherboard with white connectors. With a clean and lean design. No fans. I'd also much prefer to have an APU on a threadripper board, simply because I'd much rather have the memory bandwidth for an integrated GPU. And an IGPU that is fed from 4 high-end DDR5 ram sticks should be able to throw in some decent performance.
I wish ASUS would publish more info about their WRX90 board, especially the size. I'm hoping it will fit in a Fractal Torrent (surely it will). My guess is that it would be 12"x12", about the same as the WRX80.
Should be SSI-EEB like the Asus WRX80E-SAGE
FYI some PSUs have a connector built in for dual capability. My 1000wat titanium from Antec has a dual psu connector. It's a seasonic oem that has some additions from Antec themselves.
Yea regarding Supermicro, I was shocked the other day when I found a pretty old board they made that was looking a lot like the Steele series. It actually could have been from the Steele series, I can't remember atm. I didn't think they made such visually appealing boards at all.
The JHL8540 thunderbolt controller to support video over thunderbolt would require the video source if not onboard video to provide the video. This is the reason for the DP input. Given intel attitudes on use of a separate cable, the port may lack thunderbolt markings, while the manual may be carefully crafted to imply non logo certified thunderbolt is in fact present.
I'll never buy these but it's cool to see what's on offer at the highend
Big fan of Gigabyte continuing to put DisplayPort pass through on the Aero D series
Im sure excitedf or these new threadrippers. I really want those more PCIE lanes for more storage. Im somewhat conflicted though as I hear the next ryzen 8000 CPUs will have the duo core design like intel has and I'm interested to see how performance will be with those.
I'll be curious how the 24 core threadripper performs.
If it can OC to an all core 5ghz or more.
I was able to get an all core 5ghz on my sapphire rapids with an all core 5.2ghz boost.
What happened to the zenith line? That's what I had back then with the first Threadripper. I have am5 now and the x670e chipsets suit my needs and the Crosshair extreme has a lot of aesthetics that make for a beautiful build with a watercolling loop. I miss being out of the hedt market tho.
I’m genuinely interested in a Threadripper this go around. I’m just hoping for an mATX with IPMI, 10Gb (SFP would be nice, not holding my breath), and at least three full width PCIe 4.0 lanes. Then again… knowing the first hopeful spec I listed… probably not gonna happen.
Would love a build based on a Sage WS Pro mobo... those are cool mobos.
It is interesting how TB4 (and by extension TB5) are no longer a thing.
It's kinda crazy that they're having to stuff so much IO into the (closely spaced) PCIe slots just to cater to the potential capabilities of the CPU (which are admittedly quite impressive).
I wasn't really paying attention to PC hardware the way I am now when Threadripper came to market originally, but these motherboards offer a truly impressive amount of connectivity.
One thing I'm wondering about, since I'm interested in VR and that uses a lot of USB ports for... well everything.
Why can't I find a USB host bus adapter card (PCIe to USB ports, internal headers or external Type A / Type C ports) that uses a PCIe 4.0 or 5.0 interface?
Every single one I can find on Amazon maxes out at using the PCIe 3.0 standard.
What I want to know is why is this the case when they could switch to using a newer revision of PCIe and either make a card that fits in a smaller PCIe slot or offer more bandwidth to the existing ports?
For instance, most of the "7 port" USB host cards that fit in a PCIe slot are limited to 5gbps overall bandwidth and a PCIe 3.0 X1 interface. There are occasional ones that use an X4 slot, those are better because they offer more bandwidth to be shared among all the ports.
But I never see any cards that offer 7 USB ports, at 5gbps each, that use a PCIe 4.0 or 5.0 interface to allow their fitment in an X1 slot or offer more overall bandwidth to the collection of ports (say upgrading them to USB 3.1 gen 1 ports at 10gbps each for all 7, using a PCIe 4.0 x4 interface).
Sure the card might be more expensive in that case, but there's surely a market for it, especially with the dawn of these Threadripper 5000 HEDT motherboards that have so many "physically X16, electrically who knows" slots with no single slot being of lower revision than PCIe 4.0.
Basically, the motherboards have the IO for it, so why can't I find a good HBA card that is capable of UTILIZING IT?
Maybe there needs to be reviews of non-GPU cards that fit in PCIe slots. Would pair well with reviews of the new HEDT cpus and motherboards that are coming out, at least, or so I think.
Having read through the comments and commented on a few: MSI giving up on AMD should be the real story here. More investigation on this please!
Me and friend have the same x570 MSI board and have been given the big old middle finger from them. His USB ports cant do VR and mine can't do the rated XMP profile for my QVL'd memory. I haven't tried to do it lately, but the boards are definitely on the shittier tier. Big Fuck It energy.
@@j_ferguson I've had my x570 gaming plus for a couple years now, it's been rock solid, my only complaint is that the second M.2 is PCI 3 and doesn't support direct storage. I have found I have to set my memory speed manually instead of using XMP. (using 3600) Prior to that I ran MSI boards on AMD CPUs and Nvidia GPUs almost exclusively. If MSI is backing away from AMD (or vice versa) it will hurt the entire industry, and I will probably be done with them. the appeal of MSI was cross compatibility between parts, you always see MSI gpus in Frankenstein rigs for a reason, they just work. The software, though not perfect, was usually better than other brands, such as dragon center (though I have my complaints about that). And for those of us who only used MSI parts, you could expect your rig to work when you were done building it, or atleast have support documentation to help. Idk what changed over the last couple years, but they have not been the same since the pandemic.
@@grtninja I tried setting the timings and frequency manually without luck. The worse is I don't have a clear CMOS button and the battery is beneath the GPU. I really hate having to touch two pins together. The fact my friend never had buggy hardware replaced and or compensated for sticks with me
I have a Gigabyte Aero G X570S board that has a DP input, and can confirm that its intended use is indeed to pass GPU output to a USB display. Neat, but it's always seemed like an odd feature to include as standard.
all the asrock boards should still have the thunderbolt 5 pin header thingy. It is visible in one of the photos.
Never had issues with gigabyte for my TR builds ever since the x399Gaming 7 . I moved away from TR and use EPYC for my workstations but maybe I'll switch back and I'll definitely go with gigabyte again. Their RGB software can eat sheet though.
I wish we had some motherboards for am5 and lga1700 like the asus trx50-sage. I like the clean aesthetics.
I hope GN (or GN with Level1) can review the supermicro board. Standard ATX size, but packed with features.
And here I thought the WRX80 version of the ASUS Sage Wifi that I use had a lot of power connectors with 1 24-pin, 2 8-pin 12-volt, 1 8-pin PCIe and 2 6-pin PCIe connectors. I guess ASUS just had to on-up themselves this round although the WRX80 was a 280 watt TDP and the WRX90 is 350.
9:37 it is beyond me how motherboard manufacturers space the PCIe slots so poorly that you cannot plug in 4x 2-slot GPUs.
Oh honey, they all there for just GPUs lol.
@@katzicaelI'm not sure if this is sarcastic or not because either way it's wrong.
If you're being sincere, they obviously can't all be for GPUs because some of the slots will be blocked by GPUs, and a tweak in spacing would increase the number of multi slot cards you could attach even with the same slot count and board size.
If you're being sarcastic, a lot of the connectivity for high performance systems these days is devoted to multi GPU systems for GPGPU, and while there are plenty of single slot cards that are borderline essential in HEDT/HPC, that slot layout means you couldn't even fit those in between more than 2-3 GPUs anyway, again despite there being enough raw physical space and exposed lanes to do it with a different layout.
@@bosstowndynamics5488Waterblocks
@@bosstowndynamics5488But if you look at the actual layout of say, the ASUS TRX50-SAGE, it does have the first two slots spaced at 2X. So we're talking about extreme examples where you would need more 2X slot spacing and at that, the motherboard becomes ridiculously large or, like said, you run out of spacing for all other PCIE expansion. Most use cases don't require more than 2 graphics cards per board and if they do, you're using risers and custom chassis for the GPUs anyways.
@@elus89 Don't have the screenshot in front of me but there's one of the single slot spaced areas where moving it over one would increase the number of 2 slot cards you could fit. It's also worth noting that the number of single slot cards you could fit in this board alongside a twin 3 slot card setup would be larger with a different configuration as well.
Please take a look at the Super Micro board?
those asus boards look great
Mobo backplate @9:47
Cases like the full sized O-11 dynamic and crystal 280X have good air flow behind the mobo.
Hopefully cases for these monster mobos use a similar design.
WRX90 boards probably SSI-EEB. O-11 don't support it.
I'm really curious about the price of that SuperMicro board. They are not bad in terms of engineering to specification so while it may not be prime for overclocking, it would be a good stable and economic means of getting onto the TRX50 platform.
Curious if Asus will produce a ProArt version of TRX50 as they tend to be even more IO focused. Dual 10 Gbit and more USB4 ports would be welcome. Their current AM5 ProArt board is one of the few that offers spitting a 16x PCIe 5.0 slot into into two 8x PCIe 5.0 slots off of the CPU. I would like a TRX50 version to do that same by having three 16x PCIe 5.0 slots that would then split into six 8x PCIe 5.0 slots. Leverage all the PCIe 4.0 lanes for USB4, 10 Gbit Ethernet and NVMe and you have a winner in terms of IO. I'm currently enjoying the AM5 ProArt board with a Ryzen 7800X3D and would like to step up to Threadripper for another build.
While it would impact performance, being able to put Threadripper Pro chips into the TRX50 socket does ensure an upgrade path unlike last time. It seems that AMD has plans for Zen 5 at the minimum and I would expect Zen 6 designs to appear on the Threadripper Pro side at the very least. One thing I'd like to see are V-cache enabled chips, including those low core count, high clock speed models that AMD occassional produces for maximum single threaded performance. For example, AMD could release a 24 core part using 12 CCD with V-cache bringing 1152 MB of L3 cache (48 MB of L3 cache per core!) with 5.3 Ghz turbo speeds. It wouldn't be cheap as AMD traditionally sold this maximum single threaded performance parts near the price of their highest core count models (think around $10K USD). The price premium makes sense as these are high core count models with most of the cores disabled. Bonus if any of these boards also support the Sienna SP6 Epyc chips. The current Sienna options are lack luster for workstations (Zen 4c vs. regular Zen 4 which has more cache and higher clocks) but I would predict future SP6 chips to include various accelerators that wouldn't normally find their way into Threadripper (Pro). My main point here being that TRX50 has a bright future head in terms of potential options even if it'd mostly live on using WRX90 chips with four memory channels. I would like to see AMD pressed for commitments to this for Zen 5 in an official capacity (especially as we are 4-6 months to Zen 5 appearing on AM5 and/or SP5 server sockets). I'd also be curious about any A/B testing between a WRX90 and a TRX50 motherboard from the same manufacturer using the same WRX90 based Threadripper Pro. This would be an indicator of how much those extra four memory channels help with performance.
The usage of the MCIO connector hints that AMD is going to be moving to PCIe 6.0 with this platform at some point. However, I would not expect these boards to fully support higher speed. Rather Zen 5 and/or Zen 6 which brings PCIe 6.0 will merely operate at PCIe 5.0 link speeds here. I'd expect a general repeat here of how AM4 went from PCIe 3.0 to PCIe 4.0 as things move from PCIe 5.0 to PCIe 6.0. The big variable to me is that only 48 of the 88 lanes are currently PCie 5.0. When those 48 PCIe lanes go to 6.0 link rates, do the slower 40 move to PCie 5.0 data rates or will they remain at PCIe 4.0 speeds?
Supermicro's board names actually have very specific and clear meanings, it's just you need a decoder ring like AMD to understand them.
5:46 256GB, DDR5, 4800, ECC, With no CL listed on the product page for $3,200.00. My guess would be it's in the low to mid 40s.
11:24 Blazing (Gen5x4) > Hyper (Gen4x4)
Edit: Steve's frustration is, stupid names (marketing) attached to real stats.
15:45 You could add, onboard hardware based video capture, between the Input and the output of this theory.
17:12 I had to buy a USB to COM adapter for my workstation, because my Smart UPS couldn't connect to its own management software with the supplied USB cable. COM ports rule.
18:27 Steve is 100% correct, I/O is the most important purchasing decision, but the average person does not know the division of compute, storage or bandwidth (IOPS) for their application. Follow the bits and throw money at the bottlenecks. After upgrading every bottleneck, you realize you've completely rebuilt your system and the old one is in pieces at your feet.
I wish I could upvote these wise words a thousand times.
I buy my Quadkit for 300€ Kingston Fury Renegade 6000 CL32 (incl.TAX) 64GB is ok for me.
Will you be doing a review on the Lenovo Legion Go?
That DP in sounds to me like a video capture input. Maybe?
All depends on pricing. If this can replace my server AND my gaming machine, awesome. I can throw my domain stuff in VMs, send those through one NIC and my main OS on its own NIC and use iLO/IPMI/whatever when I’m away from it. I still have a hard time saying “why not just build a server” but some people want it all in one box
Something like a 13900k can be a server for most small uses. Outside of businesses, there is no reason for HEDT to exist anymore.
@@drunkhusband6257 Those boards don't support what I need. Most of these boards will naturally support S.L.I like all WRX80 boards do & most TRX40 do. They also support 4 way crossfire too. I cannot find a newer Consumer Intel board that still supports S.L.I past Z690.
Because SLI is dead, there is no reason to have it at all anymore. The only reason SLI existed was for gaming....so what would you need threadripper for?@@kevinerbs2778
@@drunkhusband6257 E-cores, only 2 memory channels, and only 16 PCIe lanes. You must be drunk. A 13900K is a toy, it has no connectivity, it performs like a toy when compared to Threadripper, and HEDT has a LOT of reason to exist for consumers who want powerful builds. Now more than ever.
That SlimSas and MCIO might replace our Sata connector one day
i love how the stocks went brrr
Please review the FormD V2 T1 ITX cases.
Threadripper WRX90 looks like a good product for doing AI learning with 8 single slot water cooled 4090s. I cant wait to see what motherboard Puget Systems is going to use. I think this is why 4090s are scarce and pricey even with the China the embargo on 4090s.
? 4090s cannot be nvlinked
@@Xamy- Quoting Tim Dettmers, "Generally, NVLink is not useful. NVLink is a high speed interconnect between GPUs. It is useful if you have a GPU cluster with +128 GPUs. Otherwise, it yields almost no benefits over standard PCIe transfers."
@@dyson9422 Doesn't NVLINK enable the cards to share memory? Or do current PCI E 4.0 x16 card configurations allow for memory sharing through PCIE? I'm just curious.
@@Xamy- already becoming an issue with some developers complaining about it & need more than 48Gbs of Vram.
Weird that in the picture the x16 slot above the one presumed to be x4 has all its pins blocked, and both slots on the bottom have print that say x16 gen 4 so it looks to me the bottom 2 should be the same, as opposed to 1 being x16 and the other x4.
Personally I'd rather see more x8 slots than a x16 and a x4 or some bifurcation options on the bottom 2 slots would be amazing. I really hate having to be an upgrade oracle when board shopping... Almost as much as I hate upgrading a mother board with that many components plugged together and screwed in.
One day I hope to be a threadripper owner... I hope the systems are made more versatile by then. It's a lot of cash and pcie lanes at stake, if they found a way to keep the system flexible like a programmable pci lane allocation or something it would be a lot less daunting to enthusiasts imho