A very informative video that forms a useful reference for connecting zigbee devices. I should like to add that this device also works directly with the Echo Show 10. No need for an additional zigbee hub just setup the switch for pairing ( as stated in the supplied instructions) and use the Alexa app to discover and add the device. A very straightforward and clean solution.
Most of the no neutral's are only suitable for lights due to needing to draw current through the load to get power. Not really suitable for high power/low resistance loads or motors. It is great to see more no neutral light switches coming out. It makes retrofitting a lot easier. I don't think these switches have any mechanical or solid state relays. I am pretty sure they would use some kind of electronic switching so they can get leakage voltage to power the device when the load is on or off. Usually the no neutrals use TRIAC similar electronics for the switching (or dimming for dimmers). That's part of the reason for the lower current rating also. In it's most simplest form it basically has a large value resistor across the TRIAC for getting a small current flow through the load when the load is off, and when the load is on it relies on pulling that tiny voltage drop across the TRIAC to get power for the circuit. Of course the actual circuits are more complex than that :)
Very good video, thank you for that. One of the things people in my opinion would like to know is actually how exactly the switch type setting works. This is because not everybody in the household would be happy about having rocker switches that sometimes turn on when you flip them up and other times it turns on when you flip them down. I would imagine that that is the way the "flip to change state" works. Can you explain a bit more how the "State synchronous" works? I would image that if the light is off and you flip the rocker switch up then the light turns on, and i you turn the light off in the app (the rocker switch stays up of course) and you would need to flip the rocket switch down to "synchronize" (so both the app and te rocket switch are in the off state) and only then could you flip the rocker switch up again to tun the light on again. Is this it? Thanks again for such an informative video!
it small but thick, so installing in a wall box will be still challenging, as with all the other similar switch. also i think there's no actual relay in the no-neutral switches, they work by dimming the light to a minimal level until it turns off. also having multi-click or hold switch functionality would be extremely useful.
This is one of the smallest in wall switches I have seen, but any in wall switch will be tricky in small wall boxes. Click and hold and other more complex functions are not usually common on no neutral devices due to the way they pull power and the fact they have a very limited amount of power available to them and as such need the processor to be in its lowest power mode. That said, like you, I am hopeful it can be done. I know AEOTEC Z-Wave Nano dimmers can use a momentary type switch to do a toggle of the light, or hold for dimming. I have not seen others yet to have multifunction switching on no neutral
Hello, we are currently installing these on our switches but we have run into an issue. We have connected the module to the switch and the lights turn on. But the problem is the lights won’t turn off when we use the switch. Keep in mind I have not connected it to the zig bee hub yet. Are the lights supposed to turn off using the switch regardless if the zig bee hub is connected or not? Or have we missed something with the wiring which is why it is not turning off. I apologize for the lengthy question and I appreciate your very informative video.
Yes, in my experience these switches work even if the it is not set up. The physical switch always works as a normal switch. If this is a multi gang switch can you try and move the capacitor to the first output. Maybe that is the reason.
Does the Ikea tradfri correctly work with these switches? I want to turn on the lamp using zigbee (and keep its dimming functionality using the lamps zigbee) when it is physically turned off using this switch.
Update from the seller: they have a different no neutral wire switch (this one: www.aliexpress.com/item/1005001979915069.html) which is also a zigbee router. So there are exceptions it seems.
Do You know why my 2 way switch no neutral wire keeps my lights flashing? It works normaly but The lights keeps flashing Every 10 seconds. Do you know whats happening?
What happens if you click both buttons on the physical switch at the same time? With some 2-gang zigbee switches it works correctly (the 2 lights turn on and off) and with other zigbee switches it doesn't work (only one light turns on and off) (this seems to be related to the chipset used by the zigbee switch). How does this Weten product behave?
I got a few products from a seller called MumuBiz. They have Zigbee modules that have relays with all 3 outputs on a terminal block, independent from the power supply. Check those out.
@@lautarogatti As a bridge across the neutral and live. If you see the video in the beginning, it is connected to the two (live and neutral) terminals of the lamp. Essentially in parallel with the lamp.
Is there other way to pairing zigbee without press the pairing button on module? Cause I don't want to go up ceiling if I left the modules on ceiling. Reps told me I can switch on off on off on off to pairing the Zigbee, any idea? Thx
on off on off is usually used on light bulbs that have no buttons. But once you pair the device you would not need to pair again. So I am not sure why you are concerned about it.
@@csongorvarga I have use home assistance zigbee2mqtt to control Xiaomi Zigbee switch, it happened few times Zigbee switch mis-function need to repairing again, that's way I would like to know other ways to pairing this module :) I found this for WiFi setting, don't know if Zigbee module works this way... czcams.com/video/kkcWFqO_MKA/video.html
i buy the same switch, but i have a problem. I try to connect with and withouth capacitor but, relay turn no for a 2-3 seconds, and turn off. any for solve? thanks¡
Can you check that the capacitor is connected over the light of gang 1? Otherwise I think you need to contact the seller. Maybe the capacitor is broken...
Do you now something about eWelink cloud? My installed 4.18 version can't access it since last evening, it says connecting.The app sees all other non Zigbee devices. All my bridges don't work. The RF Bridge is blinking once per sec and the Zigbee router is blinking twice per sec! None of automation work, non of notices are listed!
@@csongorvarga i am afraid it was an issue and they send me apologies: "Dear eWeLink users: First of all, we truly apologize for the service outage for some of you in European countries, which caused you a lot of inconveniences. We monitored that the service jitter occurred at around 10 pm European time, January 13th and January 14th. Now we have found out that the root cause is that our server capacity and scaling strategy is not sufficient to process the giant burst requests around 10 pm, which are generated by a large number of device timers, automated scenes, and other device controls. Our technical team is already working on server expansion and restarting the service one after another, it is expected to take some time to fully recover."
@@csongorvarga yes, pairing allowed on HA but I don't see any light on the device despite clicking the reset button for a while. The current passes, anyway.
A very informative video that forms a useful reference for connecting zigbee devices. I should like to add that this device also works directly with the Echo Show 10. No need for an additional zigbee hub just setup the switch for pairing ( as stated in the supplied instructions) and use the Alexa app to discover and add the device. A very straightforward and clean solution.
Most of the no neutral's are only suitable for lights due to needing to draw current through the load to get power. Not really suitable for high power/low resistance loads or motors.
It is great to see more no neutral light switches coming out. It makes retrofitting a lot easier.
I don't think these switches have any mechanical or solid state relays. I am pretty sure they would use some kind of electronic switching so they can get leakage voltage to power the device when the load is on or off. Usually the no neutrals use TRIAC similar electronics for the switching (or dimming for dimmers). That's part of the reason for the lower current rating also. In it's most simplest form it basically has a large value resistor across the TRIAC for getting a small current flow through the load when the load is off, and when the load is on it relies on pulling that tiny voltage drop across the TRIAC to get power for the circuit. Of course the actual circuits are more complex than that :)
Thanks for this. Going to give one a try.
Very good video, thank you for that. One of the things people in my opinion would like to know is actually how exactly the switch type setting works. This is because not everybody in the household would be happy about having rocker switches that sometimes turn on when you flip them up and other times it turns on when you flip them down. I would imagine that that is the way the "flip to change state" works.
Can you explain a bit more how the "State synchronous" works? I would image that if the light is off and you flip the rocker switch up then the light turns on, and i you turn the light off in the app (the rocker switch stays up of course) and you would need to flip the rocket switch down to "synchronize" (so both the app and te rocket switch are in the off state) and only then could you flip the rocker switch up again to tun the light on again. Is this it?
Thanks again for such an informative video!
great video! thank you very much!!
it small but thick, so installing in a wall box will be still challenging, as with all the other similar switch. also i think there's no actual relay in the no-neutral switches, they work by dimming the light to a minimal level until it turns off. also having multi-click or hold switch functionality would be extremely useful.
This is one of the smallest in wall switches I have seen, but any in wall switch will be tricky in small wall boxes.
Click and hold and other more complex functions are not usually common on no neutral devices due to the way they pull power and the fact they have a very limited amount of power available to them and as such need the processor to be in its lowest power mode.
That said, like you, I am hopeful it can be done. I know AEOTEC Z-Wave Nano dimmers can use a momentary type switch to do a toggle of the light, or hold for dimming. I have not seen others yet to have multifunction switching on no neutral
@@EsotericArctos shelly switches have long push function also without neutral, and are 4 mm thinner
@@demorez5 That's good to know. Shelly have always been a bit more advanced with their designs.
Hello, we are currently installing these on our switches but we have run into an issue. We have connected the module to the switch and the lights turn on. But the problem is the lights won’t turn off when we use the switch. Keep in mind I have not connected it to the zig bee hub yet. Are the lights supposed to turn off using the switch regardless if the zig bee hub is connected or not? Or have we missed something with the wiring which is why it is not turning off. I apologize for the lengthy question and I appreciate your very informative video.
Yes, in my experience these switches work even if the it is not set up. The physical switch always works as a normal switch. If this is a multi gang switch can you try and move the capacitor to the first output. Maybe that is the reason.
Does the Ikea tradfri correctly work with these switches? I want to turn on the lamp using zigbee (and keep its dimming functionality using the lamps zigbee) when it is physically turned off using this switch.
Any switch that doesn’t use neutral wire would not act as router. That’s my observation anyway
Oh indeed, it makes perfect sense now.
Update from the seller: they have a different no neutral wire switch (this one: www.aliexpress.com/item/1005001979915069.html) which is also a zigbee router. So there are exceptions it seems.
@@csongorvarga I'm afraid that link doesn't work. At least for me.
I am looking for same setup but with Neutral Wire, is there another video you have?
excellent work .. it helps a lot.
Can you please make a tutorial on how to create an authentication page on node-red with different access permission?
Do You know why my 2 way switch no neutral wire keeps my lights flashing? It works normaly but The lights keeps flashing Every 10 seconds. Do you know whats happening?
Sorry, I have no idea. I would try with a different bulb and check if it is the same.
What happens if you click both buttons on the physical switch at the same time? With some 2-gang zigbee switches it works correctly (the 2 lights turn on and off) and with other zigbee switches it doesn't work (only one light turns on and off) (this seems to be related to the chipset used by the zigbee switch). How does this Weten product behave?
Sorry, I did not test it. I am not using this switch at the moment, I cannot easily test it our right now.
Is there a delay when turning on by physical switch
@@Dawho99 no, there is no delay.
I'm lookin for a zigbee switch with changeover contact(s) for high/low ventilator. You know. P-NO/NC.
I got a few products from a seller called MumuBiz. They have Zigbee modules that have relays with all 3 outputs on a terminal block, independent from the power supply. Check those out.
How do you connect the capacitor? You put it in between the line and the ZigBee or you added to the line? Thanks
You install it across the live and neutral at the lamp.
@@csongorvarga but inserted in the same line or do I put it in between as a bridge?
@@lautarogatti As a bridge across the neutral and live. If you see the video in the beginning, it is connected to the two (live and neutral) terminals of the lamp. Essentially in parallel with the lamp.
@@csongorvarga i see, i have the no neutral wire version. So i should connect it in the lamp itself grabbing the live and the neutral . Thank you
@@lautarogatti Yes.
Is there other way to pairing zigbee without press the pairing button on module? Cause I don't want to go up ceiling if I left the modules on ceiling. Reps told me I can switch on off on off on off to pairing the Zigbee, any idea? Thx
on off on off is usually used on light bulbs that have no buttons. But once you pair the device you would not need to pair again. So I am not sure why you are concerned about it.
@@csongorvarga I have use home assistance zigbee2mqtt to control Xiaomi Zigbee switch, it happened few times Zigbee switch mis-function need to repairing again, that's way I would like to know other ways to pairing this module :)
I found this for WiFi setting, don't know if Zigbee module works this way... czcams.com/video/kkcWFqO_MKA/video.html
Wow it's works on off 5 times to connect Zigbee, Great!!!
czcams.com/video/ZZZE7e38ETw/video.html
@@DrkShen oh really. I only use zigbee extensively for about 6 months but had no issues yet.
Did you have luck pairing the device? I need to re-pair mine and nothing works
i buy the same switch, but i have a problem. I try to connect with and withouth capacitor but, relay turn no for a 2-3 seconds, and turn off. any for solve? thanks¡
Can you check that the capacitor is connected over the light of gang 1? Otherwise I think you need to contact the seller. Maybe the capacitor is broken...
@@csongorvarga this switch is possible conect without bulb ? Neutral wire direct to l1 with the capacitor ?
@@jmtork You can connect the capacitor across the bulb socket without any bulb in the socket.
Hello, is it possible to connect this switch with motion sensor and when motion is detected to switch on the lights for example?
Yes, you can set up a scene to do that in Tuya or Sonoff as well. In zigbee2mqtt you can create a binding.
Do you now something about eWelink cloud? My installed 4.18 version can't access it since last evening, it says connecting.The app sees all other non Zigbee devices. All my bridges don't work. The RF Bridge is blinking once per sec and the Zigbee router is blinking twice per sec! None of automation work, non of notices are listed!
Sorry I have no idea...
@@csongorvarga Have you tried to use the app see how it acts with your account today?
@@belamezei409 yes, all seems to be working as usual.
@@csongorvarga i am afraid it was an issue and they send me apologies: "Dear eWeLink users:
First of all, we truly apologize for the service outage for some of you in European countries, which caused you a lot of inconveniences.
We monitored that the service jitter occurred at around 10 pm European time, January 13th and January 14th.
Now we have found out that the root cause is that our server capacity and scaling strategy is not sufficient to process the giant burst requests around 10 pm, which are generated by a large number of device timers, automated scenes, and other device controls.
Our technical team is already working on server expansion and restarting the service one after another, it is expected to take some time to fully recover."
Is it dimmable? Can it work as dimmer?
You can connect dimmer to the output if you want to constantly dim the light, but you would not be able to control that via the app.
Can I use it on blinds? I tried to install it and it passes current but have no pairing at all with z2m.
It should work for blinds. There is no automatic interlock mode, so always turn off the channel before turning the other on.
@@csongorvarga problem is z2mqtt can't see it. Bummer
@@NunoLeal86 joining allowed, got the device back into pairing mode again?
@@csongorvarga yes, pairing allowed on HA but I don't see any light on the device despite clicking the reset button for a while. The current passes, anyway.
@@NunoLeal86 I have the same issue, did you manage to solve it?
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