Creating Vecna God of Secrets Stat Block
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- čas přidán 30. 06. 2024
- I think this will be my final Vecna video.. but today we are creating vecna god of secrets stat block. I wanted something that would represent him in a god like form, and while one could argue that a god form could easily be more powerful that what we show here, do keep in mind that gods in Dungeons and Dragons can, and have be taken down my mortals in the past.. so.. this might be a viable stat block to represent Vecna the God of Secrets.
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#gamemasters #dnd #venca - Hry
Ive absolutely loved your Vecna videos and am hopeful to run a MASSIVE l1-20 campaign with my 4 friends.
I appreciate the heads up that you are likely doing this as your last Vecna video. Its been very fun reading your improvements!!
Heres to DnD5.5/2024
I won't say.. never.. but at this point I think I've put into Vecna all that I really can without rehashing content.
Fantastic video and i especially appreciate your candor of using Ai images to help illustrate your vision for the video!
aye, for something I'm just tossing out there, I didn't see the harm in doing a midjourney prompt.
I used chatgpt for the names of some of the regional effects, I was going back over them and heh.. Purple Flame... really, brian? I was so burnt at that point. by the way, my chatgpt prompt was ; 'give me a list of 10 names that would be a regional effect surrounding an area that the god of secrets would have, this is the effect, Nonmagical conversations within 6 miles of the lair are filled with faint whispers, revealing forbidden secrets that cause unease and distrust."
Then I did that for each effect. I should have done that for purple flame.. heh just for giggles this is what my options would be : Inferno of Shadows
Necrotic Blaze
Veilfire Eruption
Whispering Pyre
Eldritch Conflagration
Darkfire Burst
Cloak of Embers
Silent Inferno
Umbral Flames
Secret's Scorch
Dunno... I kinda like Purple Flames I guess lol
Tldr Ai art bad taste, disappointed/respect loss
@@gamemasterscommending your honesty but Ai art still gives an ick because of the dubious ethical practices of those system's trainers and then also the Ai art's concerning encroachment on the ttrpg art space; so many reasons and arguments really. But, even if just a throw-away or free offering there's going to be a bad association if you want to publish it publicly like this, it's not a trend imho that should be supported in any way and I hope for the future you'll consider the larger implications of prompting Ai art use in any projects within our spaces and the impact this will have on artists. Suffice to say, it's disappointing to see from your channel that I see as otherwise respectable and positive within the community, and urge you to consider how your influence, no matter how large or small, can effect the adoption and proliferation of unethical Ai art practices and the threat to real artists if people start to see Ai art material (free or otherwise) published by creators as acceptable.
@@gamemasters Using AI the way that you did, for a free release, absolutely makes sense to me. There are a lot of zealots out there who would prefer it not be an option for anyone; and yet its an option for everyone. Its not going away so when we create ethical standards for its use, like the way you did here, we're actually working to create a better culture around its inevitable integration into all aspects of our lives. Thank you for your work
you can grab the Vecna God of Secrets stat block here : www.patreon.com/gamemasters
I always thought the idea of stat blocks for Gods as very tricky. Dang sir kinda want to just wield that in combat like Godzilla smaahing about. =) audio is great too!
Heh run with it!
Love this! Great stuff! :)
This is perfect! I am doing a one shot with Vecna next week! He’s destroyed Neverwinter and is using it as a place to perform an unknown ritual (I don’t know if my friends follow you). There are 5 level 20 players and they have two objectives: quell the losses of innocent lives, stop the ritual/ defeat Vecna. WoTC’s Vecna seemed so sissy, yours looks Bad A**! Thank you!
heh.. you have GOT to join my discord (link is down in the description) and let me know how the battle plays out!
This is great! Any plans to make similar stat blocks for mordenkainen and the circle of eight?
hmm... I had not considered that... but.. now.... ?
@@gamemasters Would LOVE to see this!
All of this and my cynical mind still thinks someone will min/max a character to go toe-to-toe with Big V. Thanks for this!
I just don't see how.. I mean... I'd LOVE to see it attempted.. but.. I just don't see how.
This is amazing. Thanks
Great video!
I feel like I should have directed you too the Tome of Magic 3.5 book, and the Shadow Magic Spell/Mysteries... having them be part of Vecna's "At Will" and "Times per day" would have been nasty! Although, I like that his "Veil of Darkness" was like "Far Sight", in that it doesn't negate a Scrying, but instead gives a false read to the one doing the Scrying... tricky!
Also, man...
Umbral Spy monster from the Eberron Forge of War 3.5 book!
yeah.. see... THAT is why I should have done a live chat with you on this one.. I ended up leaving town so I put it together while I had some down time.. yeah. I should have consulted with you.
I LOVE this version of Vecna!
this one is a force to be reckoned with for sure!
Nice, this looks promising.
I think I can work with this one, and make it way better taking notes from older editions to make it even frightening to face.
Thanks!!
yup! I had a discord member get onto me for not referencing some older material.. In hindsight.. I should have.. but... I also wanted to present something new that showcased some abilities that is fitting of Vecna but also fitting of a necormancer type undead. and I did include afterthought.. hehe
@@gamemasters no, man, yours is amazing. Nasty af.
Didn't know you have a discord. Share the inv
here ya go : discord.gg/tgVPfMNHNH
That is a nasty stat block. Drastically different from the Deities and Demigods version from 3.5e that I'm familiar with but still worthy of a deity.
yeah. I was fussed at for not making it closer to the Deities and Demigods but I wanted something really different. I took a liking to the necrotic damage mainly because.. as I hinted at in the video.. to give a potential weakness to him should character have some form of resistance or immunity. At least that way there is a degree of damage mitigation.
@@gamemasters it makes more sense for 5e to do it the way you did.
Why does he regenerate 92 hit points, that's such an oddly specific number 😭
that's exactly why, because it's oddly specific.
I love this. I feel like using Gestalt rules (I think I spelled that right) will give players a better chance at defeating the god of secrets.
let me know how it works!
Wow
A bit OP but he is a god. I think WotC is afraid to make god stats OP like this because then players will want to do that too. I think they need epic levels for characters like in 3.5. In 3.5 you are not limited to a 20 for your stats and they can increase after level 20 also.
Cool video though especially for one take.
I.. really would like to see a 5e version of Immortal... I can only imagine what those stat blocks would look like..
Is it just me but I didn't know that their were CRs past 30
when you homebrew you can make the CR anything you want :)
In 5e officially they don’t really go above 30. Anything 30 and higher is just labeled as 30. But in older additions it went much higher. I think there are a few CR 50 creatures in 3rd edition
nice! I think I would do a 750 hit point : 28 streght 23 dex 28 res 30 int 30 wis 28 cha and a immunity too spichik, necrotique and poison damage
With those stats, you could take on a dragon single-handedly!
No party I can think of could take down this monster. Maybe they could escape with their lives but that’s it. Personally, whilst I appreciate you want a stat block worthy of a god, creating a monster that cannot be beaten is pointless unless it is your intent to kill your party.
I stand to be corrected If anyone comes up with a party that could beat this Vecna.
so.. my 100% legit inspiration for THIS specific stat block was my reading of the Avatar Trilogy (Shadowdale, Tantas, Waterdeep) in which mortals had adventures but through random chances and happenstance, they found ways of taking down gods and becoming those gods.
I'd envision that A LOT of creativity would need to happen in order to take down this version of Vecna. In a straight on battle and fight? Mortals will lose every time. Toss in some magic relics and good old fashioned bargaining with other powerful beings.. then you might have a mortal making the final blow.. only to find themselves becoming the new god of secrets.
that was my drive and inspiration for creating it this way.
@@gamemasters there are tons of ways to set this up honestly. like you mentioned, yeah, some ancient artifacts would do the trick as a plot device, but if you want to make it feel less cheesy and more engaging then have the players at level 20 leading a group of other extremely strong beings, perhaps demigods or high CR angels of some sort, to do all-out war against Vecna and his forces. or you could implement epic level play, where progression goes past level 20 for players, making a CR 35 monster conceivably beatable if played well. or you could take it in small steps, where you have the players do things all over the multiverse that don't directly harm Vecna but help to subtly weaken him or prevent him from accomplishing things, so that by the time you're ready to actually fight him, you've got him out of his element. death by a thousand cuts.
Giving Vecna the Wish Spell could get interesting, especially if you have created a table of potential results. In DnD 5e, don't all Wish Spells go to Mystra first...and then she makes an interpretation on what happens with the Wish Spell?
hmm. I cannot say that I am familiar with Wish spells going to Mystra first?
where might that info be found?
Why immune to radiant, but not necrotic?
hmm.. how about... "any necrotic damage done to Vecna instead heals him." ? What could we call that ability?
Which is absolutely ridiculous. Than Wizards was correct to have Vecna as a background character in Eve of Ruin. I always thought that the Queen of the Drow was inflated because of the novels but this is really terrible too. You see what he looked like when he was mortal.
well.. i mean... this is him in a god form.. can't expect it to be a walk in the park for adventurers.. there has to be an element of.. "you've just attempted to mess with the wrong guy and now.. you get to see why you shouldn't try to fight a god" here.
Keeping the Stats to 30 maximum makes more sense. Also the DC 30 wis save vs paralysis is stupid. Can't let that slide sorry 🙏.
well.. as mentioned in the video.. this isn't a stat block that's really meant to be thrown at players. :)
L + ratio + literally a god + skill issue
im sorry but looking at this very stacked in vencas favour stats im gonna need some powergaming to keep up. well Naga Hexadin ftw
keep in mind.. this is Vecna as a GOD stats.. not something that should be tossed at a player. ever.
@gamemasters I'm not disagreeing with you, but if you have a bunch of power gamers in there, It would make more sense, as he actually can see you are a Threat. Also would make him more involved in the story 😆 once my DM reads this he intends to run it, and my Snake girl hasn't let me down yet, so let's see her fight a god
@@gamemasters tho if i may be honest, we should of gotten that to begin with, we are fighting a God after all, why not have a God stat sheet
WHAT DO YOU MEAN 1250 HIT POINTS??????
Its not that much actually it seems crazy but can be done also dont forget he is a GOD
LOL
Yeah.. no. That is unkilllable, and giving this statblock to DMs is just unfair towards players. Just treat him like Lady of Pain in Planescape - "he just wins". It's more fair.
Afterthought alone will just end a player per round pretty much, 144HP with just that. Then add the Lair Action for additional 72. Even with necrotic resistance its over 100 damage per round, portion of it being AoE.
If that won't wreck people, just spam 10th level Chain Lightning, or fireballs, or any other upcastable DPS spell. Since it's At Will, nothing stops him from doing that.. even better- swap in Delayed Blast Fireball and add that from within a Time Stop, each round..
90+ healing on each of his turns is also crazy, when he comes with over 1200HP. Time Stop alone guaranteenea he recovers at least 180 HP each time he gets a turn. 560HP if he rolls on max Time Stop rounds..
And then at will PWKs.
Now lets look at the saves - DC 30 Wisdom or you can't even fight it, means anyone who isn't proficient with Wis save has pretty much no chance of even attempting this fight. Unless you fight him in open field, 600ft away with bows...
Otherwise you need at least +10 to save to even have a chance. Paladin is thus necessary, and with bless you might scrape together enough to have a small chance.. even then, most classes are flat out not even considered to fight that thing..
Even more bullshit? DC 30 save or have Incapacitated which cannot be removed and only waited for to end.. which can be chained for a PC to "never" get a turn.
It having no Legendary Actions nor multiple reactions also means Vecna is going to just sit for a whole round doing nothing afterwards. 5e is designed to have the boss damage and movement spread across round, not to have a turbonuke turn and then 30 mins of being a static training dummy. Except this one has 27 AC and crazy saves...
Overall I'd rework it to something more killable, spread the damage more so it doesnt end a PC in turnbonuke turn, tone down the defenses so that PCs could actually do meaningful damage.. Add more ways to change yhe positioning, so that fight becomes more dynamic as well.
Or remove the statblock, the way 5e advises for God level enemies, and just have him "win".
Using something this OP to just dunk on players, where they have no reasonable way to win, is straight out of rpg horror stories..
For all the reasons you bring up, that is specifically why I said in the video that this was not meant to be thrown at players.
It's a representation of Vecna God of Secrets not Vecna the Archlich.
Sorry, as an artist cannot condone the use of AI that steals ideas from others in order to piece its compositions together. Unsubbing.
understood.