$10,000 Koi Fish DIES - Autopsy Reveals Cause
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- čas přidán 11. 06. 2021
- Today is a sad day at Aqualand as we discuss the passing of our prized koi, Ferrari. Andrew and I walk you through what happened and what we are doing now to protect our other koi fish. It's important to know what to do in these situations because dealing with animals can be tricky.
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Sorry for your loss Greg. As a fellow fishkeeper, I know what it feels like to lose a fish especially a favorite. She was beautiful.
Looks like it was her first time in crowd while carrying eggs so she can't relax....when you see an adult stressed fish isolate them into muddy water that helps them lot.
Buying kois from Japan for 22 years and raising kois for 27 years in total, I’ve never once had an issue with shipment from Japan.
In this case, we don’t know. But we can tell from the nose damage and fin damage, it came from the wholesaler’s location. If Ferrari was there for 2 months and had those visible signs, it must have happened there. The nose damage is from transportation front and back and not side to side as the fish moves and hit their heads. The fin damage was from bad quality of water (ulcer and fin rot)
Another issue I saw was when he was introduced into aqua land… he was literally put into a tank filled with other fishes. You are risking the health of other fishes as well when you do that instead of quarantining AGAIN once they reach aqua land. No matter how much you trust your wholesaler. The ammonia spike put him in stress mode and that’s when health starts deteriorating. That’s a huge fish, he’s also at least 10 years old.
So sorry to hear this! So hard when we have a loss like that. I had a koi that was 22" when it passed. I got it when it was about 3" . Of course it was not a fancy koi as I could not afford that but it was pretty in my eyes. Hope you can learn what caused this if just to ease everyone 's mind.
It’s real shame this fish wasn’t taken care if properly from the beginning. It could have been saved of it went to a proper quarantine tank as you’re supposed to do. You all tout to be the best and promote your lifestyle, but it is proven to kill fish time and time again with hobbyists and now a highly touted imported koi for aquascape itself. I totally get mistakes happen but you have to at least be professional about it and not do rookie moves by throwing it in a tank full of fish and have gravel everywhere. If anything, this video should be an educational video on what not to do. Everything you did was wrong.
I fully understand everyone has different opinions, but facts can’t be argued or fluffed over so easily and that’s why so many comments are calling out aquascapes actions. I’m a small fry in the fish world and have a small CZcams following, but I would never make excuses like the ones made about this fish. I actually have a video I got at a recent koi show and thankfully put in in quarantine even though it looked super healthy. It developed wicked ulcers after about 9 days and still currently treating and it is quite robust overall. I crossed notes with another person who bought from the same supplier and she was experiencing the same! In quarantine!! Point being, everyone, quarantine your fish and don’t take advice from these folks. As nice as they may be and reputation seems good as far as people, their advice isn’t sound.
If you ever need real advice on koi, I highly recommend you skim the pages online at Koi Organization International. That’s the number rated website in the world for koi health and they would recommend opposite of everything what happened in the video.
The treatment and procedures performed to qt and save the fish are outdated, amateur and should never have been promoted to do so.
Not trying to be rude, just keeping it real for viewers who may be less experienced.
THIS. ^ ^
@@petethecat3750 thanks for agreeing Pete and happy to see so many others as well. I hope others newer to the hobby learn from those critical mistakes.
lol...one quick look at your videos says a lot about how little you know! But IT'S OK
Curious to know which video shows improper quarantine? Every new batch of fish is isolated, monitored and salted for several weeks before introducing to others. I never put sick fish with rocks and other resident fish.
But I will say, thanks for visiting my channel. It’s always appreciated.
1. The red streaks in the fins indicate septicemia (blood poisoning by bacteria). If a blood sample was taken within 24hrs of it dying it would most likely show this under a microscope or culture
2. Septicemia is what did that koi in, not the ‘ulcer’ .
3. Baytril was probably used which is one of the weaker medications that many bacteria have built up a slight or complete resistance to (I could be wrong on the medication used)
4. He never checked any of the internal organs (Gallbladder, intestines, kidneys, liver, etc.) all the video showed was him poking around the eggs.
Full autopsy done by Doc J
It was a full Autopsy but we didn’t show it all.....
Thanks for the information!
@@EdThePondProfessor what's the point of saying it's an autopsy it it was really just examining the outside and acknowledging the eggs? Just curious. Seems like a click batey type thing to do but I guess that's what you all do 🤷
This is Aquascape, mind you. They know NOTHING about keeping healthy fish. As evidenced by the video. Receive an injured fish and throw it right into the pond. No quarantine. Nothing. This entire crew is a bunch of clowns.
I agree with your assessment of Baytril. Here in the UK it is over-used, a big part of the problem is many vets have little experience with fish diseases and frequently reach for a ready stand-by. Plus, given the situation where many fish store owners persuade vets to let them have a stock 'just in case', leads to over-use, and the proliferation of resistant strains of bacteria.
I have frequently been called in after vet administered or owner administered treatment has failed to stop an infection, and the first thing I do is take blood and tissue samples and whizz them off to my lab asap. In the case of open ulcers on koi and other pond fish, the results frequently show a dense culture of Aeromonas hydrophila resistant to Baytril. If the fish is not beyond redemption, it usually responds to one of the antibiotics to which the bacterium is susceptible. $10,000 is a good reason to call in a fish disease specialist at the first sign of trouble: well worth the consultancy and lab fees IMO.
Sorry for the loss, what a beautiful fish. Was hoping for more footage of the necropsy! Done many myself on various fish species (including sharks). What ended up being the cause? The ulcer? Stress? Or general combo? Hope the rest of the fish are doing well.
Condolences. Great & respectful video.
We come, we go 🙌
May all beings grok Peace
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Everyone's an expert in these situations. I do speak from experience. I dont know what kind of filtration is on this system but there is definitely no need to have gravel in the bottom of that tank. Your just creating more work for yourselves. So for your loss guys.
So SORRY to hear of the loss
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Such beautiful fish, sucks when one dies , thanks for the video Ed 👍🏻💧🐠
Thanks for your support......
Was there any kind of warranty/insurance on this fish? $10k is a lot to lose..
Aw, so sad! It's nice to have a resource like Doc J for moments like this.
I also think stress plays a huge part. that koi is old, not a 1-2 year old and if it’s use to a big pond and then it’s in a small pond could really stress it out and stress causes disease even in people, having anxiety you could lose hair break out in hives list goes on and on
I agree,
Stress comes in a variety of forms and it will have an impact on health
The gravel is a bit odd .... i've been to plenty high end award winning koi shops here in the Netherlands and i have never seen anybody use a substrate for their Koi basins.
That’s interesting......
Koi are bottom feeders,
They should have something to graze on!
Ventrally positioned mouth and sensory barbels used to find food on the benthic substrate.
What’s used on the bottom of the tanks you’ve seen???
@@EdThePondProfessor Nothing, it's called bare bottom. So you want them grazing on the feces that gets lodged in the gravel?
@@benhkoi how would bare bottom be any better
Nothing sits on a bare bottom the pumps keep waste suspended until the filter inlet picks it up. Thus the koi are not eating the waste theoretically. But I doubt any of that was the problem she died from stress and having a belly full of eggs and nowhere to lay them. Plus it looks like she smashed her nose into the side somehow and injured herself.
@@dantemazantini8953 When you build a pond it's a necessity to use bottom drains, otherwise down the line you'll be regretting you hadn't done it originally. Placing stones on the bottom prevents the waste from going into the drain rather it becomes traps trapped in the crevices. Eventually, it is going to become very hard to maintain adequate water quality and will increase the likelihood of your fish dying from ammonia poisoning.
Sorry for your loss. I was wondering what happened with Flair's pond it looked horrible and had to bring in professionals to clean it and try to get it back in shape. I believe it's in rough shape again. You should possibly die a update on the situation and explain why what happened happened it's not a good look for the pond builders. I do love your work
It’s good now. He wasn’t using any water treatments
Wow! So sorry...I have been there. Your fish are pets and also that was a lot of money. I remember when y'all got her. When I saw how banged up she was, I was thinking in the back of my mind she might not make it. I am not a fish but from a human stand point when you go through trauma and you see bruising, I can tell you, inside is damaged as well. When you are healing the deeper wounds take a lot longer time than the outside. Sorry Greg 😢 I know how excited you were to get her.
Thanks for your support and understanding Catherine......
Sorry for your loss Ed .
Thanks Annie
My condolence to you'll on the loss of your gorgeous koi 💔
What a sad day. That was such a beautiful fish.
Thank you 🙏🙏🙏
thanks so much🦆🌈💕
Omg some of those koi are STUNNINGGGGGG!!!! So sorry about Ferrari 🥺
Sorry for your loss.
Thanks......
How sad!!!! My heart goes out to all of you!! Poor Greg, I bet he is devastated. 😥
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@@EdThePondProfessor Yes! Yall are definitely in my thoughts and prayers! All Of You!!!!😇
I just lost a koi due to ulcer/bacterial infection - did everything I could... So feel really sorry for your loss too. One thing I'd mention is - not sure if you kept the injured koi in hospital or QT for treatment - as I notice the main pond has gravel on the bottom that tend to trap fish waste and in turn encourage bad bacteria / fungus which will continue to attack an injured/ulcerated fish whose immune system is compromised. Namo Amituofo
I am here cause OFR! Great video and thanks so much for helping ofr you and Greg have done so much! Great peoples
Thanks for your support!!!
OFR is Awesome!!!
You should never put a visibly sick fish Ferrari in the main tank on day one instead of a quarantine tank. Ferrari could have infected all the healthy koi fish in the main tank. Never buy a koi over 28 inches from Japan due to shipping stress.
I hope you have a better and more appropriate filter system on your ponds than the one you installed on “George’s indoor pond”!
Not really suitable for large Koi, more suited to a simple “backyard” pond with a few goldfish!
Good to see you around the ‘Tube’ Cecil. And yes, everyone has to call it out as it is, as it’s only fair to the public and more importantly, the fish. Their filtration and pond design for hold koi is more than outdated….
Sorry for your Loss
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Ed. How much would it cost you to come to Lincoln Nebraska to turn a farm pond into a farm beach?
So sorry guys it was a beautiful koi i know how it feels to loose kois thats close to your heart...keep going and keep the videos coming love u guys
Thanks for your support......
thanks so much🌈🦆
So sorry for your loss
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08:35 the Koi looks like it got sucked onto a Bottom Drain or sth like this. I had this once in my Koi Pond because a Bottom Drain Cover came off for no reason.... Better check any pumped Outlets!!!
Sorry for your loss it all started with the poor transport of the koi if I had paid 10k for a koi I wouldn't have expected it
Very sad for everyone involved
sorry for the lost but you should quarantine first the fish before put into the main pond..
100% right!
Pond Expert🤔
bummer sad to hear the bad news
Best salt plz to use?
No scraping and checking under microscope?
Sorry for your lost. but you should have put her in a quarantine tank when she arrived and treat her wounds. She could have picked up some bacteria from the main pond.
Spot on 👍
And they call themselves experts and professionals!🤔!
Did you see the totally inadequate filter they fitted to “George’s Indoor Pond”?
More like blind leading the blind!
@@ces69 yeah I saw that. Don't get me wrong I'm a fan of their water features. They are top draw. But when it comes to keeping koi they are miles behind.
red lines on the body sounds like sepsis to me
Ohio Fish Rescue also lost a large fish shortly after transport. Have you compared notes? Does the risk of transport & rehoming stress rise exponentially for larger/older fish?
I saw that,
No we haven’t discussed but we definitely will!
@@EdThePondProfessor what about the risk of transport? Did you concider how massive this fish was and what it would mean to the fish to be transported the way it was? Or did it matter? Seems like it was more of a "I'd rather have this cool ass $10,000 koi that I can show off and sell over not supporting the potential death or damage to the fish itself"
@Dan Sinagra $10,000 to these guys is like $10.00 and I'm sure there's tons of koi like this here in US they could have rescued or bought
@Dan Sinagra tons of ppl that don't want ponds anymore that have big show quality koi they are trying to give away. I mean look at all them nice Koi Shaq got so carry on dude
@@tinkerton7856 you get it. That's the difference between those of us with actual respect for nature and people who view something like, an amazingly beautiful and old koi, as good means for profit. Just because you can appreciate the fish, doesn't mean you're doing it for the right reasons. When you guys talk about what makes these fish unique, you're not saying it because you care, you're saying it as a selling point.
all those "we've been doing these and that" and yet the fish died. :(
Yes,
Very sad.......
Seeing how she was full of eggs, do you think part of the problem may have been she didn't feel she had a safe place to lay them?
Could you have avoided this if you would have noticed she need to lay eggs, and put her in a more appropriate setting?
That’s definitely a possibility……
This is not professional koi pond setup! And this sanke not that much money for the quality! ( maybe this is the price they want to sell it ).
Why is it not a Professional setup?
Very sad for all involved
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Professor, 1st sorry for the loss, but you said you've had Ferrari for a month+. Are your $pricier$ koi insured, maybe not medically but financially for ICSH situations like this? Covered by limited warranty from breeder(s)? Just curious, not ❤less.
Drag losing a wet pet
Just lost a fish 2 weeks ago problem is a can't find the body. Checked the camera no animals or bird's seen visiting pond??
I didn't watch the full video but your water looks nasty so you probably want to upgrade the filtration system. You should remove all the rocks from the tank too...that's a ticking time bomb
Beautiful Ferrari...so sad that we had to lose him😢
I know.......
😓😓😳😳😰😰😭😭😭so sad sorry for your lost 😞
Thanks.....
😢 It's hard to lose a special fish! 💔
Yes……
Bummer!
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it was sad but take it easy is one of the exp. for next time
Cared for Fish for Years. New ones some expensive died after days of doing everything
As right as can be. When they stop eating
Or spit their food out is is Not Good.
They look healthy on the outside and no symptoms except not eating. Treated for internal parasites etc. All existing tankmates doing fine. Even autopsy and looking shed no clue. It is good You have
Fish Expert to consult with.
have u tested them for covid?
So sorry about the Koi and it’s potential babies. Sometimes even with our medical knowledge of humans we can’t be certain in a human death. Obviously it’s a lot harder with a fish. Did you know how old it was? ( sorry if I missed when you mentioned it) I can see the evidence of previous damage in the blood pooling, is that the way they are normally shipped and do they use a sedative with fish? Is that even a thing? Wow, such a sad loss I know you would have made things as scientifically within optimum fish living parameters as possible so I’m sure it wasn’t anything you did ( or didn’t do ) but do you think you will ever be certain of what happened or it will just be the stress of double long distance movements and perhaps better handling in the shipping & handling?
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thanks so much
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Oh no
I know.......
Awful
Did Fish have an injury that was
Unknown? Got Bumped or dropped
During catching it from the original pond
Or container? The blood pooled in areas
Of Damage and that one on the Stomach
As You pointed out probably is the bump
That caused infection. Being filled with
Row didn’t help.
yeah, title was totally misleading. i didnt hear a cause in the video either. a few good tips though.
Sad
oh i’m sorry :( so sad
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Sorry for the loss. On a different note; I just spent this much buying my wife a used car....i cant even imagine being able to warrant spending that much on a fish. Maybe one day lol.
Build ponds we need more good people
Thanks.....
Very Sad.
Yes......
I want that ying and yangish t shirt
gorgeous koi damn thats sucks I think you need to be asking some serious questions with your wholesaler
Thanks!
We will definitely discuss this with our suppliers.......
We’re you able to get ANY of her babies to survive? Is that the end of a beautiful fish breeding program?
Would u be able to use Farraris eggs?
That way her Genetics can carry on?
No,
They weren’t fully formed......
I am so sorry. I hope you had insurance on him.
Thanks,
No......
@@EdThePondProfessor 😔
So sad...
*The substrate in a closed system is a silent killer...*
not if gets cleaned out...
And why would it need to be cleaned out if it’s so great? Just sayin, it sounds like it should never have been mixed
With gravel.
@@CapeFearKoi ponds are like aquariums on a larger scale. If you don't maintain it then it turns nasty. Whether you have gravel or not you still have to clean out the waste. Get a masters in biology and then you can give advice
@@tedmihalca I don’t disagree at all. It was a tongue in cheek comment and the op was stating that as well. Gravel has to be cleaned regularly as it’s an extremely high maintenance and basically useless addition to ponds. If ponds were setup properly, you would never have to drain down to clean and the fact that’s it’s vey well known and the fish was still put in with other fish AND GRAVEL was absolutely wrong. By you stating the fact gravel has to be maintenance is proving gravel is a hotbed for the very bacteria which killed that fish. It should have been put in a qt system with proper filtration and the cleanest of water possible not gravel with other fish poop and waste being trapped in gravel.
Your degree should say that or maybe you slept late that day of class.
@@CapeFearKoi lol we rebuild features like yours after a few years they were built because they are garbage. You can run your mouth saying the same stuff over and over but you have little to no knowledge about ponds. I'm glad to see there's a handful of idiots like you out there that agrees with you. The only sad part are the customers you actually do convince that your system works 😂
It's very sad
Yes......
Why would you put an, obviously, stressed/injured fish - fresh from overseas - into a gravel bottom tank with an existing population of fish? Quarantine/hospital tanks exist for a reason.
For real 😳
But in Japan they don’t sell females am i correct?
Yes they do. Ferrari was a female
Yes,
They sell females
I am AMAZED that this fish was put out into general population with obvious wounds!!! I'm only a home hobbyist but even I know that's a VERY bad idea! It should have gone into a seperate hospital tank so you can monitor it better, check what its eating , see the wounds closeup and not risk all the other fish.
Whoever quarantined and shipped this fish was to blame for all this. I hope someone's ass was fired!
I am flabbergasted that this all happened.
EDIT TO ADD: I was mistaken that this fish was quarantined in country before this .
Fired? No way. They promote this behavior!! It’s like watching Crazy Town as they are supposed to be professional, creating healthy environments and hire professionals to evaluate the fish and it NEVER gets proper care. If this were someone’s dog, the internet would be flipping out.
@@CapeFearKoi then hopefully they have learnt their lesson not to trust whoever quarantined them
@@wonderwend1 that’s their method to fix everything, “Just add more rocks and gravel”.
@@CapeFearKoi they have explained more in the next video and I am happy that they did what they could for this fish. The journey and stress were just too much for it.
They still should have had it in a hospital tank imho but I believe they are changing their protocols to improve their care so that is a positive thing for fish in the future
Fully sounds like stress
What was the cause?
We have Doc J on next weeks Vlog a follow up
why you put the fish in the main pond while still having a red spot.....
Hope you got your money back for Ferrari. He was treated badly while coming to U.S. Sad.
*i found out that my comment has gone missing. is it youtube or owner who deleted it?*
it says cause of death revealed, no it wasn't, what did she die from? she was a beautiful fish
Terrible news, so sorry
OMG
Oh, I don't like snake, it look so scary
P.s. the necropsy didn't reveal anything
Doctor Eric Johnson explained the causes of death in the video that followed this one
@@EdThePondProfessor I just watched it. I appreciate the heads up on that
Im sorry, That was a beautiful fish! :'( I think you're gonna have a little trouble trying to flush this one! lol
Thanks……
It was a good burial
Sadly, this Koi didn't make it. Do Koi get egg bound?
Yes,
They can get egg bound but that didn’t seem to be the cause of dearh
Death
Poor guy
This is Shawn at Koi Market. I want to be 100% clear that Koi Market had nothing to do with this fish. As a favor, we were asked to drive this fish to Chicago when we delivered our own fish to Aquascape. The box was delivered 5 minutes before we started our journey. We never even saw this fish until the box was opened at Aquascape. This fish came from another dealer, not Koi Market.
Wouldn't be better to build a quarantine pond for fish like Ferrari when they come in bad so that you can keep him for a month to check on and not be with other fish so that the fish does not get stressed out? That way you have better control on the fish and can give meds just to that tank and not all the others. Just a thought.
Yes,
That’s a great option
Anyone selling fish should always have quarantine facilities and should not add new fish to existing stock or sell on to customers until they have been fully quarantined!
Anything less is simply not acceptable and totally unprofessional!
You could sell a fish that has problems to a customer which could wipe out his whole collection, unbelievably irresponsible!
RIP Ferrari 🥺
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*prized koi dies*
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@@EdThePondProfessor lol, one more thing, you come across like a customer service agent in the comments. I get replying to fans but you have an almost robotic Way of responding to things lol.
The fished died because it was egg bound, without spawning ropes or plants Koi will not release eggs, and obviously a couple of males.. The bacterial infection did not look bad enough to have killed the fish, so egg bound or she had something lodged in her stomach pouch.. The water looks very dirty, remove gravel,add 90lpm of air as a minimum,increase filtration and stop.adding salt to the pond, please tell us what your salt water meter reading is??
Good sound advice! 👍
Salt is such an old outdated method, it only improves the slime coat by irritating the fish's body by triggering an immune response- causing more stress. Clean water with air is the easiest way to heal wounds and quarantine. I don't get it. You could just google this stuff. A decent antibiotic would have likely saved this fish.
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Well that sucks! Sorry guys.. on a side note i just LOVE that blk/gry/org/wht Koi @2:32
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Don't b sad insurance will pay. Its only a fish catfish variety OMG
Great show but the edit jumps are very annoying.
Who was the wholesaler
Jamur