The Biggest Problem With GTA V’s Storytelling
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- čas přidán 9. 09. 2024
- GTA V has one big problem with its storytelling, strangely enough though this problem is solved in previous Rockstar titles. So why did GTA V suffer from this issue, today we will find out and further discuss why this issue is so prevalent in GTA V, and why it will likely not be a problem with future Rockstar titles.
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11 years have passed and they have never finished that building in Downtown😅😂
I own an apartment across the street from it in GTAO (playing 6-7 months now) Mile High Club is an eyesore sometimes.
Clearly it's being built by an italian construction company
That building is supposed to be what nowadays is the Wilshire Grand Center in downtown Los Angeles.
Not only have they not finished it, but Rockstar haven’t considered updating the skyline and the buildings in Los Santos. I would love to have seen them add more towers and skyscrapers in Downton to align the game’s skyline with Los Angeles’s skyline. It would have been refreshing to have seen a new skyscraper in every update they have done. Otherwise, Downton will continue to feel bare and unexciting
Well they cant fix it because it would mess up the story
The problems with a 2013 game in 2024 are starting to show.
I totally get what you mean
Real ❤
It was the same in 2013. GTA5 while being a great game always felt inferior to 4 or SA.
Franklins story was always unfinished, doesn't matter what year it came out
I think they would be pointed out back then but because it's GTA it was practically invulnerable to criticism
I don't think it was "rushed" as much as it was more of the devs thinking "this game will last maybe 5-6 years if we're lucky. Let's do what we can and move on without dwelling on it too much"
agree, i think 6 should hopefully be made for a 10 year+ cycle
When there allegedly were map expansions planned before the focus shifted to online, no suprise it's empty
@@serbal4747I hope so too at this point. But what I really hope for is them to not take a fucking decade again, but that would be like wishing for grass to stop being green.
Exactly
What storytelling has to be with technology?
This game wasn't rushed, they just didn't expect GTA 5 to last as long as it did
They didn’t expect for their company to become creatively bankrupt and milk the game for over a decade. Modern Rockstar is a complete joke and GTA 6 will more than likely be a huge disappointment.
It was gta online keeping it alive
@@AveTrueToCaesar8212brother you will be pre ordering gta 6 😂
@@mvterivlistic
I don’t pre-order anything. I don’t have the level of faith required in any modern developer to do so. It’s basically handing them money without regard for the game’s quality, too many of them have grown dependent on that. They know it will sell regardless, so they put less effort into their craft. It’s a bad precedent to set as consumers.
@@mvterivlistic
I lost a lot of the respect I once had for Rockstar after they abandoned Red Dead 2, both single player and online, despite the untapped potential of each. I’m not the only one who did, either. Dan Houser leaving was also a huge blow to the writing quality of their future titles.
V's map, while detailed for its time, felt "empty" in the same exact way other open-worlds are criticized for. However, because it's GTA, it's automatically revered.
Well said
The map in gta games is more like scenery to drive from point A to point B
And it’s like not even empty in a good way, there will be a random empty stretch of a desert and they’ll throw a random road in with a barrier along it, how the fuck you got a barrier on a dirt road. It’s in this weird space where it’s cluttered areas are too empty and it’s empty areas are too cluttered
@@Ca18detEnjoyerI know what you mean dawg, that shii weird
@@Ca18detEnjoyer FRRRRR like why is the freaking race track so detailed when places like Vinewood Hills, the mall, Grove Street and the films studio are just too empty.
I think what makes RDR1 and RDR2 feel big amd immersive is because your movement is limited on the ground and travel is slow. In GTA V, once you fly over the map, you get a sense that it looks tiny.
Yhea there is a minecraft map of the whole game of Gta 5 in the works and though the scale is a little off los santos is huge if you cant travel at the speeds in game.
honestly yeah im starting to feel that GTA5 was a bit rushed in certain aspects
Wasn’t rushed it was tuned down graphic wise because xbox360 / ps3 couldn’t handle it
It wasn't really rushed. It just simply like other reply said on consoles that cant run them properly.
Hell like red dead 2 you need two discs to play it. One to download the game and other is actually game.
For me i didn't had enough space to play gta 5 on 360. I had to buy a usb stick and download some of the contents into it and if i want to play it i have to use the stick.
Luckily not the same solution for xbox one it has enough space for rdr2 but still it just rockstar had to work with the limits with the consoles at the time. Which is understandable they were near end of life cycle.
Lets hope for physical they dont need to do 2 disc thing again and optiomize it
The real answer that only people who played the series before 5 know. Gta iv took a much more realistic and dark direction in both the story and gameplay. People at the time did not receive this as well as they were hoping. At this point (2008/9) gta v is already under development and at this point they have a lot of work to undo a bunch of things from iv in order to make it the more arcadey, light realism that we have now.
Yeah they could’ve delayed it and release it on ps4
@@Exclusivex20We're not talking graphics wise were talking about the limited features see this is why games are not doing well you look like you care too much about graphics
All of GTA V's problems can be directly traced back to GTA Online
More specifically, SHARK CARDS
I feel like GTA 5’s map serves as a great example of why stretching a games life span for this long makes the game fall apart over time.
i think the biggest mistake in gta 5 was rockstar missing the sprawling suburbs that are typical of LA. i think they nailed the scale of vinewood hills but they should have added more low density housing, specially middle class. we only have franklins neighborhood, mirror park and lesters neighborhood, each smaller than the other
The reason GTA SA rendition of LS is better than GTA 5 is because it's much better zoned. The whole east part of the city is "the hood" based off towns such as Compton, Inglewood etc, it feels big and sprawling and each area has a distinct image. While in GTA5 the whole "hood" is 4-5 blocks at best while the empty airport and seaport take half of the city, making residential areas disproptionately small and underrepresented.
gta 5 has like 20+ gangs and mobs scattered around with each having their designated neighborhood and more diverse racial culture , i think u only played the game for like 5 mins at max and didnt even fully experience the whole map lol
they literally got mexican gangs, motorcycle ppl, chinese triads, armenian mobs, hippies, etc.
Pretty much. They essentially "did more with less" with SA compared to 5. While 5 *is* bigger, it doesn't _feel_ bigger.
Plus the fog hides the whole city
(Which the Defective Edition didn’t it feels small)
@@erobogageshiz2496 And you barely see any of them. Genuinely I didn't know probably more than half of the gangs in that game before I played director mode.
"Storytelling is most definitely the most important part of any video game ever created that wants to have a decent chance at having a good story"
I had a stroke reading that
I thought “well yeah” when he said that
when he said that i thought of "ah yes, plants are the most important part of any garden that wants to have nice plants" lol
I was just about to comment this exact thing until i saw this. Glad to see someone's keeping it real 🤝
when ur in 8th grade and have a 500 word requirement type sentence
It makes sense. LA is vapid and fake. Seemingly so full of opportunities yet offering nothing. So is the map. New York is dense and claustrophobic. So is the map. After GTA4, it'd be surprising of them to make the map feel so empty without fully understanding why. They seem to do things with purpose, whether good or bad.
What will GTA 6 be then?
@@wedoalittletrolling723 Whatever Miami/Florida in general's real story? Is it all smoke and mirrors or is it actually a good place?
@@morninmichigan1824 first one i guess
@@wedoalittletrolling723 More expensive than California. But job payments are normalized there so to us as from other parts of the world is expensive.
Literally the normal haircut there goes over 30 dollars.
I like this description
I understand the game is small, but this was made in 2013.
Most of the maps space is just mountains, but theres at least a big city and countryside.
If there was a town in the mountains or something then it would be more justified.
So how do you go backwards from San Andreas to GTA 5.
@@Dee-7414 SA originally came out on the ps2, which used physical memory cards. Its not backwards.
@@j.moneyfilmssan andreas had WAY more towns and cities to go to, tbh it feels bigger than 5
@@joe_mmamaait's because you didn't play DE if you do the whole map will look small you can see whole map on a mountain that isn't even mount chilliad due to distance scaling in the original you have to drive near and close to see shits so it felt like its big and far but its not
Dangerous drinking game: take a shot every time he says "just isn't", "just doesn't", "just can't", "just won't", or any variation thereof.
The game was made on Xbox360, it’s only so much they could do, mind you the beta of GTA5 was more detailed but got scrapped because of limitations of Xbox/ps3 at the time
You are rigth but to be honest they scrapped a whole dlc for liberty city northyankton a storyline for Trevor called agent Trevor one for Micheal another possibly for Franklin wven ignoring the idea of lamar being a playable character they had all of this and said no also ps4 and Xbox 1 era could have easily allowed for an enhanced version but even if they couldn't the literally made an expanded and enhanced version for ps5 and they didn't do nothing they could have literally sold it for 70 with all of the added stuff even excluding the dlcs that I mentioned and then made an other disk called episodes from Los Santos for 60 buck with the dlcs or a bundle for 150 with both on the ps5 and become the most loved company even mote than before they wanted to milk gta online that's all like they had no valid excuse like yeah the online makes money but If you look at it from another point of view making all of what I said will make people want to try this series even more bringing more fans increasing there gain even more
Yeah they rushed it cuz they wanted to release it on ps3
They cancelled 8 story dlcs for GTA Online....for money...
I'm guessing they also didn't expect to the game to still be the most recent GTA game, like, 10 years later.
@@YoussefGt-sb2kq gta6 is the reason for them not giving the community what they wanted, 2 billion dollars went into gta 6 but now that they learned from they’re mistakes I’m 100% sure they won’t scrap any planned content for story mode
GTA V map is more like a playground than an important aspect for the game, Los Santos and Blaine County are not supposed to be thought about for too long, just pass by them and do the missions, cus to be honest there's plent of room for new developments inside and outside LS, there are like massive empty fields inside the dense city (like wtf)
This is what happens when they focus more on 3 main charcters at the same time than developing a better map and things to do outside of the main story.
And even the story was kinda messy. Franklin became an afterthought after he moved to the hills. Outside of Beverly and Tonya he doesn't have many side missions. Martin Madrazzo should've been a bigger deal than an off screen confrontation with Trevor. They rushed to get Michael and Trevor back together in 3 missions after North Yankton and wrap up the story with the "lets team up and take out our opps in an afternoon".
Although even ending was rushed as frank was supposed to die too and be replaced with lamar which they couldn't do till contract dlc for online version
i think that just wanted just 69 main mission
If they concentrated on hte map and more to do outside of the main story you would be sitting saying "why did the waste so much time on the map and side activities when they could have fleshed out the three main characters."
You hit the nail right into the wood.
@@Atom.Storm.exactly
It's not that GTA 5 is that bad
It's just that we've been craving so much for the next release that we keep looking back at GTA v and observing even the stuff we didn't really care about 5 years ago.
Our expectations are going high we keep forgetting that this game is 11 years old
Most of this was criticized by GTA fans. Its been like this for years, it just got overshadowed by the player base increasing to way past GTA fans that no one popular talked about it. And Rocstar only focusing on their broken ass Online game made people realize just how bland and boring 5 gets after you finish the story.
It's literally always been a criticism and meme that GTA and Skyrim are only good with mods for about as long as they've been out
I understand what youre saying. But the game was made for the xbox 360/ps3
It already took 2 discs to just play the game.
PS3 had 1 disc, though it ran at 20fps 720p, dipping to as low as 10fps sometimes
I played it on 360, only one disk, I only recall red dead 1 and gta 4 having two disks, and that was only because they had standalone versions of the DLC's, Undead nightmare and episodes from LC, respectively.
some other games did too like cod black ops 2, with 1 for campaign, and another for MP and zombies, but i dont recall that being the case for any R* games I played. actually, now that I think of it, i dont really remember seeing that many multi disk games in general since the ps1 era.
The thing that I hate the most about the storymode of GTA 5 is that there's a fictional website where you can check out great houses through their website & there's this mail box with their number when you dial it in game it just go busy & hang up you can't even buy a house on story mode.
Yeah there are a lot features I think should have been added in single player and I think was just repurposed for GTA online.
@@thewewguy8t88 Cannot monetize well with solo players.
im so glad you made this video. I actually thought of this for a long time and annoyed me that lots of places are ''pretend its bigger'' like the allegedly existing highschool franklin went with lamar in davis. I hope gta 6 learns from this tho.
My theory on mirror park is that since mirror park is the GTA 5 counterpart to GTA SA Glen Park I believe during the 90s Mirror Park was Ballas territory up until the 2000s when hipsters started gentrifying it which might explain why the ballas are in grove street in gta 5 and not the families
Would love to see a video by you exploring this idea
are hipsters a gang? they don't seem to carry weapons when spawned into the world and always act as any other civilian type
I Love Mirror Park Because It Looks A Lot Like A 1930s-40s-50s Suburbia, Gives Me The L.A Noire Vibes, It Looks Very Different Than Most Districts That Are Just Buildings And Gangs Everywhere, Something I Never Saw Much People Say About It, Shame The Hippies Dominated The Area Though...
As someone from one of the residential parts of LA, i was always annoyed that they barely had residential areas in the game and it gives Los Santos a much different vibe than LA as a result
This video started with “storytelling is the most definitely the most important part of any video game ever created that wants to have a decent chance at having a good story…” immediately giving you the idea that the creator of this video has a firm grasp on the art of writing 😂🤣😂😅…
I think it's down to a few major decisions in map design
Density and spacing.
Los Santos compared to Liberty City,
obviously Los Angeles does not have the population density to that of NYC.
But that still doesn't mean population dense areas don't exist in LA
We just don't see them well represented in GTA V
Most likely due to rushed development and the fact that Rockstar wanted to put more care into the heart of the city, downtown and the financial districts respectively.
Along with that
GTA V has a much greater emphasis on traveling via car, and Rockstar made the physics and map more forgiving in this regard.
Cars are snappier, quicker, and respond instantly. Roads became wider, with more sporadic traffic density that don't bunch up at intersections. This also leads to poor map pacing, as you can make it from one side of Los Santos to the other in just a few minutes, along with there only being few major roads to take. Buildings are very spaced out, along with huge lanes and sidewalks for the player to drive on and tons of alleyways.
Compared to Liberty City, the roads are very tight and narrow, with lots of one way streets. Your car is also more realistic and grounded, you have weight shifting, your car rolls a lot if you're turning too sharp, and your old tires skid everywhere. On top of that, car damage is amplified compared to V, any wrecks you could survive in V do major damage to your car in IV. And there are a lot more immovable objects that populate the streets of Liberty City compared to Los Santos. Planters with trees, wooden poles, and the supports that hold up the overhead subway lines, streetlights also don't break away as easily in IV like they do in V. This forces the player to slow down and take a more cautious approach to the driving in IV, as the map also has quite a lot of elevation changes and dips in the road.
Just like NYC, Liberty City is a literal maze of one way and two way streets often limited to only 1 or 2 lanes per direction. Filled with slow moving traffic often accompanied by parked cars on either side of the road, sometimes there are literal barriers that prevent the player from changing lanes or driving on the sidewalk, things that just aren't as plentiful in Los Santos. There's tons of active road work in Liberty City which restricts usable driving space if the slow moving dominant yellow taxis didn't contribute enough already.
All of this leads to much slower map pacing using sheer brute force of objects to slow the player down (along with the physics).
Due to all the space needed to let the player navigate the map in V, I think this is a major contributor as to why there's not many buildings, there just wasn't much space left, and ironically in downtown and the financial districts what you'll notice is that there's a lot of weird cut open spaces of the map that look completely out of place, because they're made to be driven through/on, with no guardrails or barriers to separate them from traffic. Huge plazas outside of buildings, weird not tended to grass plots that conveniently exist so you can drive your car across them to cut through traffic when they could've easily used said space to extend already existing buildings or have some clutter in its space to make the map more lively.
It's most likely that these areas in the deep urban jungle were meant to have dense vegetation such as bushes and trees. As we know a lot of vegetation that Rockstar wanted in V didn't make it into release due to the struggling hardware of the 7th generation unable to handle all of it. And Rockstar just decided to not do anything with the leftovers.
4:11 "GTA IV pre-dated GTA V"
slow down a sec, I'm taking notes here
I think your forgetting this came out for ps3. 😅 system wasn’t capable of doing everything you talked about while keeping the game running smoothly.
“Storytelling is most definitely the most important part of any video game ever created that wants to have a decent chance at having a good story” Can someone please verify I’m not the only one having an aneurism trying to figure out what he meant by this
He says that in order for a game that tries to have a good story , it needs to convey that story efficiently
Gta 5 felt like it was one big opener leading to online
Yup. Just a tutorial for their cash cow infested w kids
@@theraiden1018 exactly, i want to be able to play the story mode aswell! not just play the story and never have any more things to do
@@jpcm8842 yup. But online sells cause dumb kids use their parents money to buy shark cards
That’s exactly what it was mainly for online gaming
This is someting that is in most games. We are supposed to assume that cities or towns are actually biger than they are in the game
the intro reads like a high school essay that needed to reach a word count. “storytelling is important for having a good story” wow revolutionary
these documentaries r actually fun to watch i lowk wanna help u w ur vids (i’m on xbox series s)
The urban area always felt too small to me, especially after playing IV. LA is famous for it's utterly massive gridded low density residential areas and there is nothing of the sort in V, hence it never felt like LA to me. LA is an incredibly large urban area, Unironically 100x larger than NYC however LS is noticeably smaller than liberty city.
'storytelling is most definitely the most important part of any video game ever created that wants to have a decent chance of having a good story'
how does this man have near 20k subscribers with a script this horrible
I don’t even know honestly
Honestly😂
@@v_Falls_v
Lmfao
I Think He's Right, I Don't Wanna Play Saints Woke Reboot Y'know?
Are you really surprised with all the AI generated commentary taking over this site?
Am i the only one that think this guys tripping of half the points he makes? The other half are perfectly accurate
You're not alone
I agree. There was always something “off” about the map in V. It felt large but lifeless.
In IV at the beginning of the game I would WALK around and to the missions/stores at the start of the game as Niko. It was a nice RP experience as you hear the NPCs talk and tell stories and the world felt alive.
I never got this in V.
With using gta 4s 3 character add ons with Luis and Johnny I felt this is what came first before anything and then everything else was just an afterthought, they wanted 3 characters in a high action adventure game like the TboGT, that’s where it all started
the problem with GTA V is that its lifecycle has been way too long. It was probably meant as a game to have a simular gap like GTA 4 and 5
I hope in the future this series can extend to gta4, bully and other games series.
honestly the emptiness of GTA V's world is mostly because of performance limitations. If they postponed it till the PS4 and XB1 then I feel like they would've been more than able to simulate the urban sprawl of Los Santos a lot better, because it's so incredibly limited in the actual game and that limiting has a lot to do with the older consoles' capabilities.
What's rushed is how this is described. "to assume there are more residences than there are, but there aren't"
Actually performance was holding Rockstar back a little bit, the beta had more vegetation, but most of it was removed so the game would run faster on the 360 and PS3. Performance is why there is a lack of explorable interiors in GTA V, because even on PC, having a mod that enables all mission interiors causes crashes. Also Grand Theft Auto V’s map is based on real life Los Angeles and parts of California, there can’t just be homes in random areas of the map if they aren’t there in real life. This includes business related buildings too. You act like it is problem but no it really isn’t. I thought you were going to look into the issues with the story missions, maybe look at what rockstar cut from the game, etc…
Although I can see truth in why you think Grand Theft Auto V was rushed, there is various cut content from the game (horses, multiple missions, various weapons, various vehicles, etc…) and then there’s the things that were dumbed down for better performance on the 360 and PS3, more euphoria reactions were replaced with animations than live Ragdoll (the downgraded physics.) and cars received Arcady handling to run better, there is also the map, less vegetation like I said earlier and a lack of interiors. You might be right in GTA V being rushed here because Rockstar wanted it as soon as they could on a last generation console, instead of waiting for PS4 and Xbox One where they could have had so much more.
You gotta make more of these
"Storytelling is the most important part of any game that wants to have a decent story"
Well, you're not wrong. Also, great video btw, seriously.
😂 thanks man
1:16
What are you talking about?
GTA V was literally released on Xbox 360. It's a game with much better graphics and bigger map than RDR1 while still having to run on the same hardware. If you look up Beta version of GTA V there was definitely a lot of stuff that was removed because the game would literally be unplayable on the old consoles and Rockstar just didn't bother adding cut out stuff back to the game when GTA launched on PS4 and PC.
Edit: I agree with most of your other points though. GTA Vs map is kind of boring and empty compared to other GTA games. It was definitely limited by the hardware, possibly poor map design decisions and maybe it was kind of rushed like you said. We know Rockstar is extremely greedy. They probably rushed the game so they can release them on PS3 and Xbox 360. Almost doubling their profit since most people probably bought it again on new gen consoles.
I think that the reason for Paleto Bays lack of houses is due to it being an old coastal town like the ones up the coast from LA, towns which used to survive on tourism during the summer but are now at least partially abandoned. I think most of the businesses in Paleto aren’t open anymore.
great storytelling in this video. keep it up
Gta 4 for me feels like the size of gta 5
Agree to disagree with you for me 4 is more grey and cannot be able to see the city while gta 5 the size of the city is huge while the size of gta 4 is small.
@@lukeroberts201 Very insightful.
Its alot easier to recreate nyc in game form and make it feel populated than la because the likes of Manhattan is all squished together with most living in appts even outside of high rise towers while la is just loads of sprawling suburbs.
“Storytelling is most definitely the most important part of any video game ever created that wants to have a good story…”
You don’t fuckin say?!?!? Thank you captain obvious!
Make a detailed video on Alamo Sea and its settlements around its coast...
Like all the way from Sandy Shores to that small fishing settlement to Gallilee...
A longer video could be better..
Alamo sea have alot to cover ig..
I’m giving GTA up at the end of the year because it’s really not fun anymore online. We needed two new cities added to hold us over, they could’ve charge us 100
Sure and im "giving up" crack at the end of the year
We do have two new cities...well... "maps". But for whatever reason Rockstar never allowed us to access them via free roam...maybe through that useless waste of space that is LSIA. The maps I'm talking about are North Yankton and Cayo Perico. Enable them both simoutaneously with mods and it affects absolutely nothing regarding game performance, so I don't see why didn't they make them accessible, really.
Fun facts : there is more than 3 dry rivers around the map there's one coming from the hills of vine wood down to zancudo river however there is only the empty water path and without a clear before dryness water source, much more like most rivers in gta 5
I really would love to see a video about that very detailed part of the city between vinewood and the downtown
A really big place with a lot of details (small apartments, pools, companies...) i am surprised of how forgotten this place if the city is
Plus there's that mountain side from the casino to the secret labs up the map, a really rich environment i always go the searching for details and easter eggs but always fail to find anything special except the cove, even tho it's a really cool looking side of the map but totally forgotten
It's simple, take two interactive are to blame, they want to cheat everyone, 5 could of been way better but to much land the whole game is just under finished... And just look at what they've done to online shows what kinda person they are...
It's just houses they can't make a scale one to one La
Who is making online profitable, not taketwos fault idiots spend money on shark cards
this is true but we also need to remember that gta 4 didn’t have huge mountains and wilderness that gta5 did, its a lot to handle for the xbox 360 at the time and rockstar already made sacrifices such as lower tree/ bush density so them not putting in as many houses could have been preformence related
4:30 regarding skyscrapers, populations don't live in skyscrapers, they live in apartment buildings. generally speaking, and assuming R* understood this as well, skyscrapers are indicative of commerce and businesses/offices. that said, even without people living in skyscrapers, there are plenty of apartment buildings and housing projects represented in liberty city to accommodate and insinuate a thriving population.
This is a great video and i really appreciate the points made in it. I agree totally, GTA5 never had the same "alive" feeling that GTA 4 did. 4 felt like it came with history, like there was a deeper story in each neighborhood and bridge and apartment block. I think 5's biggest fault was focusing such an incredible amount of time and resources on the surrounding natural areas. GTA is about crime in the city, and R* tried to expand the scope of the game beyond that. They decorated the city with comedy clubs venues and dance clubs and stores and interesting places, but made none of it enterable or interactive, and instead focused their attention on making animal AI and beautiful waterfalls and farmland that served little-to-no purpose.
I feel like there was more content gta 5 had but Rockstar didn't want to use them. And this "open world" game feels cut off
I was out after the first line 😂 sounded like you got the script from ChatGPT lol
bro said “story telling” 6 times in 45 seconds 😭
"Storytelling is most definitely the most important part of any video game ever created that wants to have a decent chance at having a good story"
Gee whiz
What are you actually talking about? I'm a big fan of GTA IV but seriously, GTA V has plenty of space for its "residents", and it's not like the story doesn't expand on those parts of the map, there's even an attempted undercover drug bust on trevor at one of the deadest parts of the map where there's literally just one house overseeing the ocean.
There is many skyscrapers, apartment blocks within Los Santos and housing in the less developed parts of the map (Sandy Shores, Paleto bay, Eastern Los Santos, etc). There may be many businesses too in Vinewood, Downtown LS, and the central parts of the map but there also is in GTA IV in many parts of the map, if you look closer many skyscrapers belong to offices and there is still plenty of auto, cab, internet cafes, industrial warehouses and more types of businesses spreaded equally across the map in Liberty City but even in the industrial areas of Liberty City there is still way too many people walking around for that type of area of the map. In GTA V they actually fixed these issues, there is less population in the less dense parts of the map, way less to be clear, so this whole video just kind of comes off as another small CZcamsr saying "GTA IV good, GTA V bad" or just an excuse to not make the content that apparently your viewers want.
If you think GTA IV has a lot more history and lore across the whole map, just make videos on GTA IV until you inevitably hit the same roadblock on parts of the map with 0 lore and nobody gives fucks about, just like how there is also certain areas like that in GTA 3, GTA San Andreas, GTA Vice City (to a lot less of an extent, lets be honest its tinyyy), and there most likely also will be within GTA VI, same with even other games that exist like in the Forza series, Mafia series, Driver games, Sleeping Dogs, and many other open-world games. There is inevitably going to be parts of the map that are too small, too big and empty, and other parts of the map where all of the main activities within the world occur and are packed with lore. Heck, this even happens in real life. Some areas of the world IRL and in games just sometimes don't make sense, don't have lore or are just vast empty places. At least the developers in GTA V spent a hell of a lot time populating those areas with props, textures, the correct amount of people, vehicles, and at least trying to give the lesser-used parts of the map lore.
Even online and Trevor's storyline expand the story in the less developed and populated parts of Los Santos, so this whole video really doesn't make much sense if you just look closer into GTA V and actually drive around and spend a lot of time in those less developed areas of Los Santos' map. You literally cannot say that "uhm ackshually technical limitations were not an issue" when you consider the graphical fidelity and the size of the map along with that in 2013, GTA IV is literally a much smaller map that had insane optimisation issues on PC back when it was released and even on some systems still to this day and had insanely bad framerate on its orginial hardware, oh yeah what was that again? Oh, the XBOX 360 and PS3!!! The exact same consoles that a map that was much bigger and the graphics looked way better on with the same performance aims, which it got much better in V, as GTA IV on those consoles. As your top comment says itself, it's almost like people look at a game that was made in 2013 that still gets sold to this day as if it's a 2024 game and seem to forget it literally came out 4 years after GTA IV.
If anything the game doesn't really seem rushed at all, it just seems like R* realised that GTA IV had a lot of bloat in a lot of aspects of the game that people think makes GTA V a worse game when in reality it makes GTA V a game that performs insanely well even on PS3 to this day, I'm sick of CZcamsrs either talking smack about GTA V being worse than GTA IV or showing comparision videos when in reality a lot of features was not included or expanded on within GTA V for a very simple reason, performance and easier optimisation across consoles and PCs.
Literally couldn't of said this better myself.
Story telling is indeed the most important part of any videogame that wants to have a good story.
5:15 - What are those guys up to?
Seriously, why in the world would you title the video this? It has nothing to do with the story. You literally could've titled it "The Biggest Problem with GTA 5s map". That's it. But i guess you had to clickbait...
Meanwhile every block in GTA IV has at least one enterable building.
And it's not even the biggest problem. The biggest problem is literally staring right at you the entire time -- 75% of the map is mountains. Why would you not even talk about this? Seriously dude something is wrong with you.
Storytelling is very important part in telling a story. No fucking duh 😭
he didnt even talk about the story. he talked about there not being enough buildings 😆
Storytelling isn't important at all in a lot of great games
Gta V is more like a fun sandbox more than a serious story game
They rushed GTA V, there was supposed to be much more side content, that was all cut from game, I'm glad they're taking their sweet time on GTA 6!
Just imagine if GTA 6 turns out to be the next Duke Nukem Forever lmao. Took ages to come out and came out as bland as it could've been. Everyone complains about GTA V being 11 years old etc etc but look how a 2004 game (GTA SA) still goes strong as always and it never lost it's touch. Literally a game from 20 years ago... Really, Rockstar was already a very big and rich company back in 10's, they could've polished GTA V's San Andreas better if they really wanted to. They're a multi-billion dollar company nowadays, why don't they put LSIA to good use, finish North Yankton and let us visit it during free roam? They already got the snow weather ingame, which they coded entirely just for some christmas event bs, and the prologue. Also the Cayo Perico land, so much detail yet we can't explore it - we go there to that stupid beach party and we get blocked in there with invisible walls. Why not let the player explore the damn map? It's already there, ingame.
I havent heard this song in a so fucking long time. This song is the real creepy pasta gta 5 song man
‘storytelling is most definitely the most important part of having a good story’ just sounds so stupid 😂😂
Still asking for the background music
Part of Mist by Obi Wong
I actually don't get what youre talkin about but I guess Im just experiencin GTA a bit differently, I never look at some area and wonder whether there are enough houses in it. But I see your channel that you analyse closely some neighbourhoods so I guess you know what you're talkin about and it's just me that is interested in completely different aspects of the games. I actually find GTA V's world very interestin and full of action. There are many activities around the map, random events, strangers and freaks. I also had a lot of fun while collecting collectibles. Sure, there are a few things that shoulda been done better but nuthin can be perfect I guess. Have a good day
Storytelling def not important in Rollercoaster Tycoon, but yeah
Stupid complaint
The GTA V map had a lot more tree in the beta but R* removed them do to performance, so it is very possible that the PS3 made R* downgrade the map on those places
Storytelling is only one of the many things that make Hollow Knight so fire.
Plot twist. GTA 5/Online and RDR2/Online were the beta tests. That is why we got them so fast. Shark Cards were the validation.
you also have to remember that the gta series and rdr series are created by different divisions of rockstar, in fact, two completely different cultures of people
This problem is much bigger in rdr2 and especially in rdr1 to me. Except for saint denise and blackwater there is not much housing space for all the people. All the houses and smaller farms across the map are just hiding tragic deaths or other strange stories and so giving me not the feeling that all the travelers and other npcs you meet on the road all have a home or even a legit destination.
Oh absolutely!
Real life LA is massive so it makes sense that they would’ve cherry picked places to put in their game, but I do think you’re right, MidnightClub LA had more accurate LA imo.
Also can you please give the song name of the background music?
I always hated 3 protagonists at once
this might be the worst opening line i've ever heard for a youtube video
"Storytelling is most definately the most import part of any videogame ever created that wants to have a decent chance of having a good story."
Hidden fact that he tells us, a whole ass river outside of the map. Yeah there's in my city for sure.
I never have once felt like there weren’t enough houses.
Bro I've not played story mode since 2014
I think your complains are unnecessary, because GTA games are made not for exploring every single rock, but about making chaos in this areas and gta v does a great job in doing that
Edit: And I think most players never thought that there arent enough homes for people
“Story is the most important aspect of a game with a good story “-this guy
I feel like every building under construction will never be completed
It would've been cool if they added more police departments and made the towns larger. The potential was vast, man. Hopefully GTA 6 adds more detail to the law enforcement factor.
I don't understand what you were trying to say about that "whole entire river" "outside of the map" in paleto bay, I was very close to clicking off the video after listening to that part twice and still not being able to figure out what you were getting at
I think its that he says that the game forgets to tell you what paleto bay really is. It dosent tell us what exactly is it a bay of ?
As an aside, I feel like "not enough housing" is a real problem and bugs me a lot when playing genshin impact. Didn't have a term for it until this video though. There are like 6 residential houses per area and there are like 60 people mentioned in lore or in gameplay. Like literally from pigeonhole principle a bunch of characters we meet ought to be roommates. At least the major characters we meet in GTA V all have their distinct place of residence or business.
Actually there are more houses and places.
San Andreas is not an island, and LS is not the only city.
It's just what we see in the game.
It would be to difficult to make land that's cut off by an invisible wall, extra textures, stuff that makes it look like houses and other cities in a distance.
It would probably make the game lag more.
Cleverly compacted map design is not a "problem".
We got things we had not have had in GTA IV at all as they scrapped the country side. Same with GTA SA. Countryside towns it had rarely had anuthing interesting about them either save for a few.
Also comparing GTA 5 to RDR2 is borderline dishonest and silly. During its development RDR1 and Max Payne 3 were made aswell, focus or GTA 5 was to restore some of SA's feel and content that 4 has lacked. Not to maje RDR1/2 like hyper immersion fest and still on PS3/X360 hardware.
They both wanted to push visuals and scale as much as possible while being restricted by the technology being the same one they done GTA IV and RDR1 with.
I've played almost all GTA games. Even though I loved GTA V, SA is still the best for me.
I've replayed V just once , but SA multiple times , even after replaying V and even now if I had time I'd still replay it.
That game was special. The story , the customization, the character arc, the map. It's crazy that no modern game can beat a game of 2004
I got a lot of problems with GTA, but the amount of buildings is not one of them. GTA 5 has more than enough buildings and set pieces that come together to show the player what kind of neighborhood or town they're in. Planning, Designing, and Modeling more buildings for an already packed map would be pointless and more strain to the devs.
There is no way of earning money in GTA V.
This is just crazy
GTA has always had an implied residency problem.