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Jodie Whittaker and Chris Chibnall are leaving Doctor Who... what happens next?
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- čas přidán 28. 07. 2021
- It was going to happen with each of them eventually, and it's now official that it's all happening at once. Jodie Whittaker will end her tenure as the 13th at the same time as showrunner Chris Chibnall exits the show. Everything changes in 2022, so let's talk about all this.
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I agree. Chris hasn't done Jodie or "the first female doctor" any favors. She is capable of more. I hope that we get to see a little bit of her being awesome before she leaves, but in general, her legacy is of his bad writing, not of her being the first female doctor.
"First Female Doctor"
Joanna Lumley: am i a joke to you
@@drneotech7254 yes.... Yes. ... I should've been more specific. For all the reasons and the several things that Chi's has done with Cannon.... We will simply say the first female time lord that anyone (including herself) was aware of at the time she fell to earth.
True. And I wanted a female doctor and I wanted it acknowledged the same as the old man in a young man's body or Capaldi looking so frail but being a powerful doctor. Just for new stories new fun lines
@@drneotech7254 technically yes since it was children in need it literally was a joke to them. But she was a fantastic first female doctor as short as it was. Rowan Atkinson was a great doctor too
@@stephjovi that was a fantastic skit. It took many years after for it to be a reality? I don't even think they were actually poking fun at a female doctor, but definitely at comedy gold that could be had... Especially at the time the skit was written. Yes, technically those jokes weren't inappropriate, but 10 years later they would not be received well directed at The 13th Doctor cast in Doctor Who proper.
I won't miss Chris Chibnall, but I will miss Jodie Whittaker as The Doctor. Their pair is a good example of a good actor working with a bad writer/director that deserved better.
That’s not very fair since Broadchruch was amazing. I’m guessing it was conflict with the BBC
@@ShiningWolf88 it could be conflict. But we dont know without confirmation. Tho I will point out the different styles between broadchurch, a detective drama, vs Doctor Who, a science fantasy family oriented time travel show. Chibnall being good at writing one, doesn't make him good at writing for another. Sometimes a writing style won't always hold up between genres.
@@ShiningWolf88 I'll agree Broadchurch was really good.
@@cedar7560 Exactly - writing for Broadchurch, a crime drama, is very different from Doctor Who. To draw a parallel with the Classic Era: Terence Dudley wrote a fairly generic murder mystery, "Black Orchid", for the 5th Doctor - it's okayish, and rather fun, but feels more like "Poirot" than Doctor Who. However, Dudley wrote two stories that weren't crime dramas, "Four To Doomsday" and "The King's Demons", both of which are rather dull, uninspired examples of Classic Who.
In agreement there. When she was allowed to be, like haunting of villa diodati, jodie was great and it sucks she's so often given little to work with. Hopefully her last year will be an improvement, and if not then hopefully she gets the 6th doctor big finish treatment.
Whittaker's Doctor was a *HUGE* missed opportunity: it's been two seasons so far and she's barely had any character growth at all.
Her Doctor never really had a character to grow.. Every episode was a rinse and repeat. They all pretty much start and end in the same place every time. Chris Chibnal is a child with a toy set. He plays with his toys, then puts them away and the nex time he plays with them, the last game is forgotten.
I think that’s her as an actress tbh. If you look at broadchurch while her son died and she was sad nothing really changed about her.
@@c17sam90 i mean chibnall wrote that as well, i think we are starting to see a pattern here
@@markmellor4822 I then look at her other performances and see similar problems. She’s great in that single episode of black mirror but could she carried that character further I’m not sure
@@c17sam90 oh yeah i dont disagree i had my doubts when she was first announced due to her previous performances. Its just a shame that we will never get to find out if she could have brought something special to this role if given a decent writing team
Chibnall said “three series and out” pact and not "three years and out" pact so his five year plan would fit perfectly (2017-2022)
So the show being delayed by COVID was a lie then?
@@thewatcherofawesomecontent 🤷🏼♂️
That assumes he expected there to be this much delay in production and he had no reason to expect that.
To quote the Brigadier and Vastra “Well here we go again “
Nathanial you are by far my favourite person to come to when news like this breaks. Calm levelheaded impartial and very well researched. Thanks for the info!
From what I’ve seen online people are happy that Chibnall is leaving but sad that Jodie is leaving. Most people want to see her in another series with a different show runner/better writer and to stick around through at least the 60th Anniversary special.
I honestly thought she would be the "main character" of the 60th, like Matt Smith was in the 50th
@@ink_blot25 I predict she will be since Davies probably won’t both introduce a new doctor and celebrate the 60th in his first episode. Maybe thirteen will regenerate at the end of the 60th? Who knows
@@skapb Hasn't it been confirmed that she's regenerating at the end of this season?
Hopefully Big Finish will give Jodie the material she deserves if she is ok coming back to the franchise in the future.
I do hope so. The way she talks in interviews and press conferences she really seems to have taken the role and the fandom to heart.
Really hoping it's not just been a stepping stone for her and shes just been saying "the right things"
I hope a part of Jodie will always be the doctor.
I also wish her the all the success in the world in her future career.
The one thing I think is going to hinder Jodie in terms of Big Finish is that from the moment Thirteen arrives to now she's consistently been with the fam (or at least Yaz) meaning there's not yet any wriggle room for Big Finish to give Thirteen her own adventures if they can't convince any of her companions to return to their roles.
@@Deathlygunn There's always wiggle room. She has a time machine. Any time the fam leaves her alone for ten minutes she could be having her adventures. They're not all together in before Spyfall.
That thirty seconds that Nine leaves in the Tardis in his first episode before coming right back is often the setting for adventures in some novels.
@@Deathlygunn there’s a few spots it could work. Particularly between resolution and Spyfall. And there’s other points she could branch from
@@Deathlygunn there's nearly 20 years of the Doctor in prison that they could do stories with.
Maybe the Jadoon took the Doctor out of her cell to track down another fugitive , like a work release deal or the Doctor encounters an old enemy "in the yard" , or how about a prison transfer sees River Song meet the 13th Doctor.
I’m getting annoyed that a lot of doctors do 3 series then leave, it’s getting pretty predictable now. So now when the next doctor takes over most people will be thinking “oh we have nothing to worry about for now they will probably regenerate in their third series” and that takes away all the tension
It’s practically a trilogy already.
honestly i would've gone shorter, the chris chibnal era was disgraceful and spat in the face of everything before it
I mean they also always announce if the actor playing the doctor is leaving so that takes away any surprise. It’s more than predictable, it’s confirmed. Like when John simm was returning for the end of capaldis era, unfortunately for the people watching in real time, it has already been announced so no one was shocked
UK contracts are typically three years.
I really was hoping the pattern to be broken with Jodie... but sadly it is not happening x.x
I'll miss Jodie, not Chris.
Which feels really mean everyone says hes an amazing guy... I just... cant stand the way the man writes
Yep he seems like a much nicer man than Moffat. And the on set atmosphere appears to be much better than early RTD.
It's definitely the writing that has made Jodie's run as the Doctor a lot more downs than ups. I'd like to see her with a show runner that lets the writers keep her a consistent character.
@@aguywholikesplanetoftheape3747 I think you calling anybody a terrible writer is a little... pot, kettle, ya know.
@@aguywholikesplanetoftheape3747 just take a minute before writing a comment. Currently, all we can see is that you're angry but you haven't made any actual points. You've just written a typo laden tirade ironically calling someone a bad writer.
@@giovannidimaggio7961 definitely. Also the fact he donated to the Touch to See Kickstarter without making a massive deal of it really makes me like him as a person.
And on his writing, I might hate it on Doctor Who, but I like loads of his Torchwood stuff and Broadchurch is phenomenal... I just don't know what happened on Doctor Who.
I think they've been linked basically because Whittaker doesn't seem like she's formed her own identity as the Doctor, so it feels like it's all on Chibnall. I would have loved to see her without Chibnall, but I am glad this era is coming to a close
Wait for 2023 we'll get jodie action with the new showrunner for the 60th
@@whotookspoons3 not necessarily, but likely.
I definitely won't miss Chibnall, but I will miss Jodie and wish she'd had a better DW showrunner during her time.
Completly agree and im really hoping she returns again in a multi-doctor special.
Same here. Jodie is a good actor and deserved better.
I hope she eventually joins the Big Finish family. Look at what they did with the Sixth Doctor, the least liked incarnation of the Doctor from the classic era. Imagine what kind of stories they could do for the Thirteenth Doctor.
With everyone I talk to, they all seem to feel the same. Give us Jodie with some good scripts.
@@TheShadowofDragons That seems to be the popular opinion. Even those who don't care for Jodie as the Doctor seem t o be willing to give her a go without Chibbers.
One thing I thought of, seeing as they'll be a new showrunner for the 60th, if Jodie is back we will get a glimpse of how she is outside of Chibbers writing. There's interesting times ahead. :-)
Overall this era was just bad with one or two things resembling highlights. I’m especially glad Chibnall is leaving as he was just awful but I do feel bad for Jodie. Hopefully she may get redeemed like Colin in the future
Jodie got screwed over
I want just one Jodie season with no Chibnall.
I’m ultimately happy for this. Chibnil’s writing has really caused my enthusiasm for the series to wane.
I’m on the fence about Whitaker, I’ve yet to really connect with her as the Doctor and I don’t know if that is because of Chibnil’s writing or her performance. Which is weird because I was very much someone that liked Capaldi but thought he was frequently let down by Moffat’s writing.
Yeah, I wish I could've seen Jodie under a different (better) writer so I could actually give a fair judgement on her version of the Doctor. I personally loved Capaldi's final season, though, so I can't really compare.
@@LauraM-kr9wv This. Completely. I would love to have seen her under a better writer to make a more accurate judgment of her.
That's the difference between competent writing with some high points, and utterly incompetent writing.
I pretty much agree. It seems like she was finally discovering her own path for the character. And she’s quite appealing. But I’ve been let down by the stories.
They could make Whittaker's Doctor as "loopy" and "wacky" as they'd like, but she still needed a darker side, as all the previous Doctors did. I can only surmise she wasn't provided with one because Chibnall and his writing staff just couldn't be bothered. Take away the darkness, and your Doctor becomes an extremely annoying git with all the character depth of Dudley Do-Right.
It's strange, Jodie has been the doctor for two full series yet I still feel like I have no idea who her doctor is, I haven't been a huge fan of her as a result but I do think she could have been better under a better showrunner.
Chibnall on the other hand I'm glad he's going, I haven't enjoyed any of his work at all.
My interpretation of this doctor..
I think not knowing who this doctor is is kinda by design. This doctor has a wall up so high that it took me till she gave us a peek beyond it in Haunting of Villa Diodati to finally get what her thing is. She's put up walls to hide behind. To try and fit in, be liked, be accepted. Ironically, it is exactly that which made her feel bland to me.
If series 13 properly delivers in smashing down that wall and can give us a 13th doctor, raw and genuine, it might actually retroactively make her run a lot more meaningful.
@@Smouv That's the big question really isn't it. Is it by design or a coincidence and we are trying to find patterns and meaning in it? Not saying you're right or wrong here as I agree, that there have been moments where we seem to glimpse the Doctor behind the happy go lucky façade but then it disappears and goes unnoticed (apart from that bit in Diodati) so seems as if its unintentional. If that dynamic is indeed by design then its a really good take and if it comes to fruition in series 13 or even the specials, then hats off. I have a sinking feeling we may not get there but you never know; we can always dream....
@@hotdog1214 Agreed, although it's worth remembering that Villa Diodati was written by Maxine Alderton, who got the sole writing credit.
@@ftumschk Indeed, this was one of the few occasions where I actually paid attention to the writer credit because the episode was so well written. I hope we get to see more from Maxine Alderton going forward.
@@ftumschk to me, that implies that Chibs is incapable of writing something so subtle and clever.
Certainly hadn't shown it in any episode of doctor who yet. Can't comment on broad church, never seen it.
If the 60th anniversary is going to be the next doctor's first episode, you could do an amnesia storyline where the new doctor bumps into his old incarnations and learns about themselves and comes to terms with that.
His or her incarnations.
@@timrob12 Their
It could just be a cameo, too. That worked for Capaldi in the 50th anniversary special...
@@dvader518 True.
@@irrevenant3 I would be fine with that.
I've been saying this on all the posts on Facebook and I'll say it here. I only just wish Jodie had got a better head writer for her tenure. She's such a likeable Doctor and I'd love to see a Competent writer take her on. I'll miss her but looking forward to the next writer
And we know from Broadchurch (ironically also a Chris Chibnall show) that she's fantastic when given the right material. It's just sad that he couldn't do her the same justice on Doctor Who.
@@BlueSparxLPs I think she was amazing in Doctor who. Just bad writing has let her down
To be honest I’m pleased chibnall is going because I haven’t enjoyed many of the episodes in his era and I think s11 & s12 have been by far the weakest of the modern era. As for Whittaker, at the moment I still haven’t connected with her doctor so I can’t say I’m too disappointed with her leaving either. For me, it would’ve taken quite a character shift from another showrunner’s writing to make her enjoyable to watch - and although Capaldi had a solid arc and his character improved over time, for Whittaker’s to do the same in a single series would’ve been difficult.
We’ll have to wait for the rest of her episodes, but the main disappointment is that her iteration may end up being looked back on as a failure - perhaps big finish can redeem that
I'm greatly concerned that Chibnal is bailing out a year before the 60th anniversary. Don't get me wrong, he would've likely screwed it up, but it means that they're going to have to scramble to put something together that not only establishes the new Doctor, but also create an epic story worthy of the 60th
Yeah, having a Doctor and showrunner who've barely found their feet be forced to deal with the 60th could be really disastrous if done wrong, especially if they go the usual multi doctor route where the new Doctor is made to share the screen with legacy Doctors like Tennant for example. Hopefully they'll knock it out the park and we'll actually get some great telly out of it.
@@alicebethell8069 Complete speculation here, but if the anniversary special is the first episode with the new Doctor, a "who am I?" theme where we get to see a lot of previous Doctors might be a way to make it work. Maybe they'd invite Jodie back for a few scenes at least (though maybe she'll do a Tom Baker and refuse to show up cos she just left).
Kind of hoping we do get a full series first, though. It'd work better if it's led into than as a launching-off point for the next series. Though the possibility of having it be a completely-unrelated-to-anything one-off wouldn't be the worst thing either?
Anyway, that's all speculation there. I'm not a reliable source.
I honestly think that's the kind of difficult task that if done right can lead to greatness - if they can get a good writer in and they don't fall into any I MUST RETCON AND FIX EVERYTHING PEOPLE ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT trappings, it could be something properly grand that might even define the franchise for years to come.
This definitely seems like a big challenge, but I could also imagine the next showrunner seeing it as a remarkable opportunity to hit the ground running. I imagine it could be very exciting to have that kind of license to throw everything at the wall like this right from the start and could be the scaffolding for a very strong potential opening series arc.
@@Something775 It all depends on the writer, if that happens and it works well it will feel incredible
Trying to figure out why I have had literally zero reaction to this news. I think I might be dead inside
Wait, are you only JUST realizing that about yourself? Dude, I could have told you that years ago.
@@CouncilofGeeks lol, true
Jodie totally got the short end of the stick. In a way, this whole situation reminds me of Colin Baker - another doctor who was utterly shafted by poor writing. I hope she ends up doing Big Finish productions, just so we can see her shine under proper writing.
I was thinking that myself. Big Finish has saved many a Doctor. :)
Honestly, I think Paul Cornell could be a good choice. I like him as a writer, and he’s written some good DW stories imo (he wrote a 2-parter in S3 and a few novels)
Oh absolutely, he wrote Fathers day, which I've not heard many bad things about, and emotionally is really powerful, and of course, Human Nature and Family of Blood are just amazing episodes, so he definitely has some merit and potential
While he's written some great stories, I'd really love to see Toby Whithouse get the job. His stories were some of my very favorite of the Smith era (especially a town called mercy) and it'd be great to see what he can do in the showrunner position
@@lukasluna7475 Toby would be my vote as well. I've liked pretty much all of his episodes in Dr Who.
Won happen. He doesn't have the requisite TV show experience.
My fear is if they go back to someone who started on the RTF era we will once again end up with older people who may not get the voice of the younger generation right.
I will say this loudly for those at the back that aren't gonna listen, JODIE HAS NOT BEEN THE PROBLEM WITH THIS ERA OF DOCTOR WHO!!!!!!!!!!! She is a brilliant actress and has adapted to the role very well. The issue has been the writing. Chibnall is the one at fault here. overstuffing the TARDIS and weak stories. I really want them to have another woman be the Doctor or even a person of colour to show that Jodie wasn't just a political pawn and that they are truly committed to genuine representation in media by putting someone from a typically marginalised strand of society in a more front and centre role as the hero. Jodie has been brilliant in the role and I will miss her and It was nice to see her interpretation of the role. It is just a shame she had to basically carry the whole show on her back because of the poor writing and stories. It got a little better in the recent series but it still isn't great. We need better writing. That is the bed rock of a show like this. There is only so much an actor can do.
Nailed it.
Brilliantly put!
I would love to see more of Jo Martin’s doctor - I think she would be brilliant to take the helm for a bit.
In the few minutes she was on, she outclassed Jodie and her version of the Doctor in every way.
@@Grinchier I think Jodie has been good, some of the stories haven’t been completely memorable but that’s not her fault. I absolutely want more of Jo Martin!
She had some 7th doctor vibes and Sylvester McCoy was my second favourite classic so I would be cool with more Jo Walton.
If Whithouse is the showrunner... then the Minister of War will probably appear...
God that would be perfect 👌 🙏🙏
There's an online piece from 2015 called "Little Boxes Will Make You Angry: Doctor Who and Transphobia". The section on Toby Whithouse is why I would be very anxious if he took over as showrunnner.
7:34 dang, seeing this makes me remember how excited I was for Jodie’s announcement. It’s a shame the writing wasn’t up to par for what she deserved 😩 It makes me wonder how good she would have been in the Davies or Moffat era
Someone who's personally on my list for showrunner is Nicholas Briggs, who already is at the helm of Big Finish. He's probably too busy for it, but I feel like he'd do a good job if he got chosen. I'd be fine with Toby Whithouse, as well.
Edit: I also just realized that the Master's fate is up in the air. I personally want Sacha Dhawan to stay on because I'm curious as to where the new showrunner might take the character.
I said exactly the same thing but Briggs has just agreed a four year contract as Lead Writer/Producer at BF. I would love to see Neil Gaiman at the helm
@@Andyapp Yeah, I had a feeling he'd be too tied up at Big Finish. I'd be interested to see Neil Gaiman as showrunner, but he might be busy with Season 2 of Good Omens.
@@Andyapp Neil Gaiman it’s a very good pick for show runner that will never happen
@@clarinetangel99 Good Omens, Sandman, Anansi Boys...
Gaiman's got a full slate with showrunning his own works without taking on Doctor Who
Briggs doesn't have the necessary experience in writing and producing tv shows. Also his Ninth Doctor stuff has been very meh and generic.
Well you've just haunted me with throwing Charlie Brooker's name out there because of course I'm now imagining what his version of DW would be
No just no its either a romcom or just dystopic.
Brooker is known just as much for his comedy work as he is Black Mirror here in the UK. He wouldn't be a bad choice considering his body of work. I doubt he will be a showrunner though as Netflix seem to have snatched him up.
How about Christopher Morris?
@@voltijuice8576 I love his work but don't see how the tone would be right for Doctor Who. I think, more than anything else, there needs to be a certain amount of sincerity and Morris doesn't really do that.
I really want Matt Smith and Peter Capaldi to come back for the 60th
Chibnall wasn't a good showrunner but I think he did have good episodes as a writer. If he stayed back just to write some episodes here and there, I'd be fine with that. Jodie deserved better than him as a showrunner, tbh.
I think he had some pretty good ideas, but I feel he’s a writer who requires a leash. One problem I’ve had with several of his stories, are that he has several great ideas, but ultimately resorts to just throwing them all in at once. Hopefully this long form story of Series 13 with give him enough breathing room to get all of his ideas out there with the proper development. I just noticed this because, before he was showrunner he did some alright episodes, my favourite being his Series 5 Silurian Two Parter, and also Torchwood’s Countrycide. Both of which, were restricted by plot and setting. I’ve heard heard great things about Broadchurch, so I guess the problem is when he’s given the keys to Doctor Who, he just does everything he can think of, made worse by the plot conceit of Doctor Who. It seems like he’s writing for Classic Who, where you could do that with stories of Four, Six, even Ten Episodes, but you can’t fit myth shaking revelations, with a Judoon invasion, with a Jack Harkness reunion, in a fifty minute episode, along with not even ending it properly so we have to wait for the finale to get any kind of closure, and guess what, he just opens more questions in that finale… Look, give the dude a leash, or just give him the Two Parters.
Having a "showrunner" itself is a bad idea, IMO. It's like needing to be executive producer, chief writer, and main script editor all at the same time. That's redundant, and stretches their efforts way too thin. Moffat did his best work for Who as a "mere" writer, and I'd love to see what Davies would do with an episode or two. It takes a great writer with a lot of discipline to be the one to rubber-stamp their own ideas without meaningful creative feedback, and do so for multiple seasons/series.
@@voltijuice8576 I do agree with you on that. It makes sense for a show with a singular storyline, like a Netflix Series, or whatever BBC mini-series is on, but Doctor Who has entirely separate plots every episode so just having one person controlling everything doesn’t make too much sense from an episodic point of view. I think they should have one writer for each story and then when they get to the finale episode or crossovers between stories they should then brainstorm together.
@@voltijuice8576 Not really. The show, since the very beginning, has always had a showrunner.
@@sbyamibakura - Only since 2004-2005, which has been to its detriment IMO even when it had better writers as showrunners. Chibnall's overall creative ideas and themes I think have been sound, but his writing hasn't been up to task. I suspect Chibnall would have done far better as producer/story-person with the actual scripts written and edited by others.
I'm coming to terms with this news slowly as the day goes on. When I first saw the article this morning, I was absolutely gutted. I cried with joy when I saw Whittaker's reveal, and I know I'm going to cry at the regeneration, no matter how excited I'll be for the new Doctor (which I will be, because I love them all). I know Chibnall's stories haven't been everyone's cup of tea, but these last two seasons have felt cozy and comfy for me, and have been exactly what I needed when I needed it. Having Whittaker to do those PSAs last year at the beginning of lockdown both made me cry and gave me hope, and I've lost track of how many times I've watched them. I'm glad they're getting to go on their terms, but I'm sad to see them leave.
Her Lockdown material might even be her best contribution
Her lockdown messages were a lovely touch, as a Whovian they were a bit of fun for me but also made me think how special they would be to young fans. It flew in the face of all those who said she doesn't care about the role and 'its just a job', I think it says a lot that she took the time and effort to make them, it was thoughtful of others and I admired that.
I don't like this era of Doctor Who at all, but Jodie's lockdown stuff made me really love her as a person.
This is exactly how I feel
Grant Morrison has spoken about their (yes, they’re nonbinary) desire to be a showrunner a while ago and I’d really want them to have a go at it
Hayall yeah! I would love to see what they would do.
Seriously? If there was ever a candidate that had equal potential for success and/or failure, it's them
But do they have experience with the medium? Being a great comic book writer is one thing, writing for/managing a TV show is another...
I loved Moffat during the Matt Smith era. I feel like he was in his prime then
Capaldi's second and third seasons though!
Edit: minus Hell Bent.
To me, that was the worst (pre-Chibnall) period. Series 5 was fantastic, but Series 6 and 7 were a bit over-complicated and lacked many interesting single stories (7 being worse than 6 in the latter respect). But tastes differ lol.
@@alexandertaylor7316 Just Capaldi post Coleman. (Which is mostly about how Moffat did not know how to end her story, not how Coleman performed in the role)
Imho though, series 9 and 10 were better than any series of Smith's tenor. Especially 10. It only had two misses in the whole series and the rest was Moffat at his dynamic best.
I feel like his keeping on Clara for as long as he did weakened so much
would like to have seen what she could do with a new showrunner, as i really don't like what did with the show
Lets face it Chibnal and Jodie were written off before they even done a single episode by a majority of fans
Truer words were never written.
And since people ultimately decided "mimimi, Chinball und Whittaker are not MY doctor and showrunner" - they decided on look for errors and bitch and moan about them. So, thanks to these children, we have a trillogy of seasons, which will always have the "Mimimi"-factor on it.
But don’t you know that they are “killing the show”?
@@Tillyard86 Only for those, who are one of the "mimimi, they're ruining my childhood"-crowd. Not for the rest.
@@Tillyard86 but that happened with Matt smith, and he was accepted. You can’t just put it down to that.
@@deraltetrekkie6088 "Trilogy of seasons" have been a thing since '66
I want them to finish strong. I’m afraid that, if they don’t, a certain contingent will blame the boogeyman of “social justice.”
What doesn’t help is that isn’t what Chibnall is good at but he wants to be mr comment on the times
Which makes no sense anyway as 13s era has honestly Been the most Conservative of the whole show since the revival. We had a whole episode of her being a super fan of space amazon despite the episode itself showing the multiple horrible things they did.
@@ahumanbeingfromtheearth1502 yeah he’s not good at being political all of his statements would be radical in 1990
@@lesigh1749 I still find that difficult to believe because it’s no more political than anything that was done in the past the only difference is it isn’t as subtle it’s calling itself out like it’s really deep and smart.
@@lesigh1749 I don’t see that I just see bad writing all round and that by extension means bad writing of political themes and messages. You don’t need science fiction writers to write good science fiction besides most of the great works of science fiction is very political
I'm annoyed that Jodie and Chris were ever allowed to be involved in the first place, they have done more damage to the show than is imaginable. Dr. Who is a legacy program why would you be so stupid as to try and rewrite its history? It no different than what has happened to Star Trek with Discovery, Picard and movies, lets not forget Star Wars, made a complete dumpster fire out of them. Well congratulations you have accomplished the same thing. This woke and politically correct BS needs to stop! If you want to write a show that like you have start a new one but don't trash an iconic one and wonder why nobody but the unenlightened like it.
Only nine more episodes left, what a short and mostly uneventful era
*The Timeless Child has entered the chat
But yes, aside from that it was rather uneventful
I wouldn’t say uneventful.
Definitely a strange era in terms of output. By the time Chibnall leaves, he'll have been showrunner for almost as long as Davies, but his era will only have 31 episodes to Davies' 60.
its funny, because the timeless child is the only eventful thing that's happened in the chibnal era (ew)
Really sums it up really, boring. He has 9 more episodes to make me connect with the doctor, he needs to go out with a bang because if he doesnt, then i'm pretty sure its gonna get retconned
Wait, where do you get 9? Series 13 is 8 episodes, and then there's 3 specials after that, no?
I would trust Neil Gaiman as the new showrunner. It probably won't happen, but it would be awesome.
he said on twitter that he would prefer writing than showrunning
@@dcworld1076 I knew he probably wouldn’t be show runner. But I didn’t know that. I hope he can write some more episodes at least.
I'm probably gonna miss Jodie in the role but dunno about Chibs as I've not been biggest fan of his previous stuff. Good to know they leaving on their terms after the specials.
Hopefully the timeless child gets wrapped nicely though. That's my main concern
Hahah
All the big canon shattering events under a screenwriters tenure always get smashed after a small while
@@LukSter18998 true although I feel this level of destroying canon would have gone better as a long big finish story than on TV personally
I like the idea of miss Martin being the next doctor. I haven't seen the series since Capaldi left, but as far as I understand, they have the telephonebox tardis, meaning it should be from after the first doctor, who got it stuck that way. It would be cool to see some "master plan" where the master changes the memory of a future doctor to trick and harm the current one, and then later show what happened from Martins point of view. That would also leave the master as a candidate for the timeless child, giving them another good reason to hate the timelords and destroy them. If they reveal something like that, I'm gonna catch up and actually watch the last few seasons
I feel like using her would be kinda complicated...
@@Anna-B What’s wrong with complicated? This is a show about time travel after all.
@@highvoltage7797 the new show runner would need to figure out a way to explain her. It wouldn’t be impossible, but they might prefer to just choose a new actor
Nah it’s omega.
Timeless Child is Omega
I haven’t finished the video yet, so forgive me if Nathaniel says this near the end. (Is Nathaniel still ok? I haven’t seen as many of their videos lately to know what they’re going by.) Anyway, it’ll be interesting to see whether they go male or female for the next Doctor. They’ve seriously backed themselves into a corner, because you _know_ that the people who were upset about a woman last time are gonna be just as much again this time, so if they do it again it’ll be another fandom civil war. On the other hand if they go with a guy again, it’ll look like they’re admitting that breaking the tradition of all men was a mistake and “It’s ok now, we’re back to the proper path”, and then we never see a female Doctor again. In any event, I don’t envy whoever ends up making the decision.
"They’ve seriously backed themselves into a corner" - No, I don't think so. One of the first things any sane person has beat into them when starting in arts and/or entertainment is that _you can't please everybody - and it would be folly to try to._ Not everybody needs to like any given show.
@Rebecca Woolf Add the fact that the 14th Doctor needs to quickly adjust for the 60th Anniversary, and you'd get more than just a no-win situation
It's the right time to swap them over, but I wish we got a just a few more great Jodie episodes. I don't think Chibnall was an awful showrunner, but he was hardly an improvement on Moffat.
As for my hopes and expectations for the next showrunner and Doctor:
Expected - Vinay Patel (his episodes were really strong this era)
Wanted - Neil Gaiman (unlikely, but oh well)
Definitely don't want - Mark Gatiss (his writing in DW is often praised, but I think he's written SOME of the worst episodes, including Chibnall's older ones).
Adrian Lester - good actor, could definitely pull off smart, fun, and serious. But whoever is picked, I just hope they're picked or their talent and not to tick diversity boxes (nothing wrong with POC or women, or both as the Doctor, but I just want the best actors in the role and I've heard some quotes that suggest they may be looking to limit the range of actors for diversity points. Best thing about the Doctor is it could be anyone, so keep your options that way).
Chibnall had bad characterization for both the companion and The Doctor. The ideas he introduced were great though but we all know ideas don't hold much.
Personally I wasn't Jodie Whittaker to maintain the role under a different showrunner. Also I'm hoping Neil Gaiman gets to right a couple of episodes. With a slightly bigger budget now he could really flex his creative muscles
I'll miss Jodie Whittaker. I won't miss Chibnall.
It’s a real shame we never got to see Jodie working with material by Davies or Moffat. Maybe someday for a special
@@lukeshef1713 I agree completely. That would be so good.
Yeah, I've been informed that the 5-year plan was a myth. Based of a friend of Chibnall's saying he was reluctant to do Dr Who as it was a "five year commitment" and somehow a corner of the fanbase turned it into the 5 year plan rumour
I think maybe James Goss would be a good new Showrunner...the Producer of last years Time Lord Victorious Event. Great new ideas and he listened to the fans
Sorry for the long comment.
One thing that needs to improve in my view is definitely creating a singular identity/viewpoint with the show. RTD was the space soap opera/urban sci-fi , Moffat had the Fairytale and 45 minute Blockbusters, but as Moffat run out of steam and into Chibnal there hasn't been a unique visual/conceptual unifier that we've had before. It feels like we're just running through the motions.
I'd love them to develop a visual/thematic style for the next era, perhaps go back to mid 70's Dr Who and go Gothic, perhaps steam/cyber/diesel punk. Go with bright and neon colours paired with surreal and abstract sci-fi concepts and landscapes. Maybe lean in to and pay homage to 50's B Movies, or noir-esque.
In the current television landscape you really need to be able to develop a unique style to stand out, and thankfully Doctor Who is a show that can continuously change its own. By creating stories, characters and themes that uniquely integrate in to the chosen concept, you make something unique to that era, and incredibly more memorable, artistic, intelligent, and rewatchable.
Toby Whithouse was my top choice for showrunner last time, so fingers crossed he gets the job now!
I like Whittaker and don’t want her to leave, but if it’s the price we have to pay to get rid of Chibnall, then I can accept it.
watch it....even the Hulk runs when Vera swings the ban hammer.....heck, even Thor runs
I’m so nervous about this timeless child thing.
To be fair Jodie's had a decently long tenure I just wish it was under a better showrunner. Brilliant Doctor stifled by weak direction and poor writing.
I’m ssoooooo glad they’re finally gone! Not so much Jodie, but I’ve always hated everything Chris wrote so I’m glad the end of having to deal with him is in sight. I just wished Jodie had a better showrunner to really show us what she was capable of doing with the character. I don’t think she’s a bad actress, she just had a bad script to work with, that’s not on her. So I wish she could’ve stayed but under a different show runner. Now from interviews I know that she doesn’t watch doctor who and that she really wasn’t prepared enough to get into the role, so I hope for the next doctor we get someone who’s actually willing to take the role seriously and knows who the doctor is before just trying to be a quirky wizard stick waving time traveler.
I'm excited that Chibnall is leaving I want Toby Whithouse to take over he was up for showrunner twice both in 2004 and when Chibnall took over. Whithouse wrote some good Dr Who scripts.
+1 I had my fingers crossed last time that they'd pick Whithouse. When they announced Chibnall was one of those rare times when I felt visceral dread about a franchise and blurted out something like "Are you #@!%?* kidding me? That's the worst of your possible obvious choices!"
@@voltijuice8576 me too. Its Whithouse's time.
My solution for the timeless child is it’s an alternate universe created for the Doctor’s torture made of lies that was created by the VERY old villain The Toymaker.
"The Sixth Doctor boldly claims the Valeyard's evidence has been falsified, and the Matrix has been tampered with. The Keeper of the Matrix insists this impossible. Glitz and Mel arrive unexpectedly in the courtroom. The Master appears on the Matrix screen to claim responsibility and to demonstrate it's possible to breach the Matrix."
It doesn't have to be that complicated - the Master was either lying or being manipulated.
Definitely sad that Jodie's leaving but I look forward to all the hype and build up to the new doctor and showrunner, that's always a blast.
Its funny how you mention that Chibnall and Whittaker are always interlinked in discussions and fans find it difficult to separate the two, and that has been pretty much true until today. Since the announcement nearly all the comments I've read follow your sentiment (and mine) that they are glad Chibnall is leaving but had hoped Whittaker could have had some time with a new showrunner. I find it oddly amusing that the moment they leave *together* is the first time people start to separate them out. 😋😁 Another great vid btw, looking forward to the Saturday one.
Jamie Mathieson would make a great show runner I think
Jodie's doctor has from day one struct me as the normal man's doctor (like Peter Davison between Tom Baker and Colin Baker). Heroic and youthful not much excitement. I've always fancied more off the rails regenerations so I'm hoping for the next doctor and showrunner to bring back some more pulpy, bizarre, fun-humored plots, but also with some dark, twisted plots.
The usual will happen, some people will complain that they were forced out, others will complain that they are staying to long, some people be ecstatic about the replacements and others will hate them, and no matter who is chosen the fan bois will whine about how "their" show had been ruined
FAX
The reason I love watching these videos is that your thoughts and feelings about Dr Who completely align with mine.
I definitely don’t mind either of them leaving but I am scared that it is going to go back to just a young pretty white boy as the doctor which is fine but kinda sad cause I really liked Capaldi and I liked the idea of Whittaker if not really the execution…
Though I’m a fan of young white men, it would be cool to see a non white man as the doctor. And though I don’t personally like the idea of a female doctor, it’s not such a huge opinion of mine that would make me stop watching
Whatever they do, they're going to be damned by 'that certain section' of the fandom. If they stick with a female or go for LGBTQ+ representation, then they'll be accused of continuing to shove their woke agenda down our throats. If they go to a male, they'll say it proves them right that a female Doctor doesn't work.
It's a no-win for the show, unless they can find some kind of magical combination of actor and showrunner that is almost universally loved.
@@Elwaves2925 - IMO it would be a mistake to base one's decisions on 'that certain section' - or even fandom generally. What they say carries as much weight as we want it to.
They need to cast the best actor for the part regardless of their race or gender.
I think I would like to see Danny John Jules as the Doctor. He was The Cat in Red Dwarf, or Dwayne in Death In Paradise if you don't know him. I think he could be marvellous in the role.
I don't for a moment believe that everything that happened with 13 was part of Chibnall's plan, but he was appointed in 2017 and leaves in 2022, so it did turn out to be both a five year plan and three series won and done.
I'll definitely not miss Chris Chibnall as I feel that he never got what Doctor Who is about. The storytelling under his tenure was definitely not up to par to what I expected from Doctor Who (with some exceptions, but those were probably achieved despite him, in contrast to because he was the showrunner). I had no problem with Jodie Whittaker after the usual transitional period that you have with each new Doctor. While the budget obviously went up with Chibnall's takeover, I felt that the level of storytelling went down. I felt that the stories were primarily aimed at younger audiences, taking away the more adult storytelling beats that his predecessors managed to infuse into Doctor Who. That made the episodes much less enjoyable for me to watch.
So I'm hoping that his successor is able to reverse this course of simplifying the storytelling and bring back the series to the more complex storytelling.
I have a slightly different position: I think Chibnall got Doctor Who - the ideas behind episodes like _It takes you away,_ _The Tsuranga Conundrum,_ _Demons of the Punjab,_ _Nikola Tesla's Night of Terror_ etc. were all very Doctor Who. Chibnall just seems to be terrible at actually executing them for some reason.
@@irrevenant3 yes this exactly
I'm still very excited for series 13 and the specials. I hope the new showrunner takes Doctor Who in an interesting direction
Kind of a bummer, since even though it's been a long time in terms of actual years, as far the number of episodes go i feel like we were just getting started
For me personally I’m not really bothered about Chibnal leaving but I will miss Jodie as we’ve had 2 full series with her and we still don’t know her doctor so hopefully we will know with her final series and specials. I wish we had gotten to know her more as Ik Jodie has said she’s loved every minute of being the Doctor and she had a lot of pressure on her being the first ever female incarnation doctor after 54 years of the iconic character being played by males, I hated how people many people first rejected her just because she’s a woman 👩🏻 suggesting that women aren’t as good as a male actor to play the doctor that’s ridiculous. I hope to see more personality and character growth with Jodie in her final series and I hope Yaz gets more attention as well (not to the extent of Clara) but I want to see more character growth from her too. I have 3 suggestions for possible Doctor candidates 1. Michael sheen I think he would make a good Doctor with his quirky personality traits and style, I think his character of Aziraphale from Good Omens feels very Doctor like in some places for example his dress style his fascination and curiosity with humans I love the way he talks as well it’s great he has also appeared in Doctor who before as the voice of House from the episode The Doctors wife. (he’s currently working on series 2 of good Omens so idk but maybe 🤔 if the filming doesn’t clash ) 2. Hayley Atwell (you will know her as Peggy Carter from the Marvel cinematic universe. I think she’d be a great actor to play the role she’s fun on screen her accent is amazing her mannerisms, she’s great in action as well and is amazing to see on screen. It’s probably not likely as she may be working on other things but we shall see. 3. Tom Hiddleston this one would certainly draw in a bigger audience from Loki he is a phenomenal actor and he’s amazing as Loki the personality doesn’t quite match the Doctor but that could change over the series. It’s probably unlikely as he’ll be working on other projects such as Loki series 2 and it depends on the filming schedules.
Interestingly I would like to see Neil Gaiman potentially as show runner as he has written some amazing episodes of Doctor who , the Doctors wife for example which he worked with Michael sheen on as well 😉 and he also works with Michael sheen on the show Good Omens so if he was show runner Michael would probably have a good chance as they work well together clearly. I think he could do great things with the show he could possibly fix problems the show has been having lately. Maybe 🤔 Ik people will disagree with my picks and that’s fine but you won’t change my mind so please don’t try save ur time xx
What happens next? The Bunting goes out! Thank god the Chinballs/Whitaker era is over.
However Chibs and Whitaker have destroyed Dr Who so badly it will be difficult for it to recover. If the next showrunner continues with the Chib-wokeness and female Doctor lunacy... the show will be permanently destroyed.
AS a lifelong Dr Who fan the show needs to be rested to 5 years to let everyone lose the taste of it from our mouths.
It does seem like an awful short tenure for Chibnall if this was his plan. The pattern has been two Doctors during the modern era and it seems weird that a showrunner would bind himself so closely to one Doctor. I kinda feel like Jodie deserved better writing and to not be so chained to this showrunner. As you pointed out we can separate the Doctor eras from their showrunners in the past. This just feels like she could never allowed to shine in her own show. This was probably not intentional on anyone’s part, but it is a consequence.
I’d also like to see a female showrunner.
@@secondeye1574 fair enough.
The thing is he originally said he had a 5 season plan but it looks like it has to be cut short lol. I'm glad we will not see his 5 season plan or whatever. I just want a new showrunner so they take timeless children away. Also hopfully the next showrunner has some originality.
I’m honestly kinda gutted 13’s leaving, I really enjoy her Doctor and whilst I don’t LOVE Chibnall I do like him. I feel like 13 would have been amazing if she got 4 series and even as we heard the format of series 13 if she did another one like that, so the people who don’t like Jodie or Chibnall can at least bear having another 6/8 episode series, or even if she was carried through to another showrunner that maybe continues the story Chibnall had in mind in their own vision, but if it was planned from the start what they planned to do all to them, I’m also kinda nervous as with the 6 eps and specials that I think she’ll be gone to soon, if rona hadn’t have happened we would have probably had another 10 episode series and I would be more ready for her to go, also I’m kinda interested for the whole 100 year blockbuster special Doctor Who has planned as idk if Chibnall’s original plan was to have Jodie regenerate in the 2 specials but now he has another- I’m unsure what they’re gonna do but I’d really like it if the big blockbuster special was maybe 1 an hour and a half not just 75 minutes like they said about Revolution which was ‘feature length’ and also if it was shown in cinemas. For the next doctor I’m a little unsure but would like someone like the actress who played Sylvie in Loki or someone like that as someone who I feel would be completely random would just make me mad lmao. For showrunner I think with the pattern I would like Maxine Alderton (The Haunting of Villa Diodati writer) or Vinay Patel (Demons of the Punjab and Fugetive of the judoon), I’m more confident in Maxine being the showrunner though as she has been credited as one of the core writers in series 13 I believe
Toby Whithouse is unlikely as he was offered the position after Moffat, but turned it down, because all the hate Moffat got, and, given how Chibnalls era went, I don't imagine that has changed...
Also, I don't know much about this, but I have heard that apparently Whithouse has gotten in some hot water in recent years over some transphobic things in his past, but I don't know much more on that, so I will just leave it out there... if its far enough away in his past, hopefully he has changed...
This is a fairly moderate take, so I expect people from both ends won't like what I have to say. I may not like the Timeless Child story arc, but I get why Chibnall and eventually the BBC endorsed it. In interviews after Series 12 aired, Chris Chibnall said he proposed the Timeless Child arc as a way for the show to go in different directions in the future. It does "break continuity" but that gives future showrunners the ability to write stories that aren't as beholden to the canon. The next showrunner gets to choose whether they write pre-Hartnell stories or post-Whittaker stories; or even have both collide with each other. Gallifrey both does and does not exist in the show at the same time now.
That'd be confusing for general audiences to follow.
Like you, I would´ve loved to see 13 with another writer for an additional season.
Does that mean 60th anniversary won't be by Chib
Yep
Yes I am so happy now for the 60th. I was worried Chibs was going to do the 60th and make it all about timeless children.
Jodie Whittaker really deserved better. She had the potential to be a fantastic incarnation of the Doctor. Her enthusiasm, joy, excitability, friendly and passionate personality really suited the Doctor well. She just needed better scripts to work from. I really feel bad for her.
I was quite intrigued to see what Chris Chibnall would do with the show because I liked his previous stories that he did under RTD and Moffat but the way he took the show really didn't sit right with me. I do think he had good ideas but they were not executed well IMO. I think if they took more time with the episodes and streamlined the ideas a bit more, I think it would've been a fantastic era for the show. Maybe Series 13 will surprise us as it's one big long story like Trial of A Time Lord but for the most part, it's been a very hit and miss era for the show.
I look forward to finding out who the next showrunner and who the next Doctor is and I hope that together along with the BBC they can make a series of Doctor Who that will please everyone.
I would like another female doctor. But maybe a female show runner would make more of an impact
@@brucewayne7838 why don't you go take a nap.
Seriously, where do you get your lipstick from? You always have the best shades.
Screw it, how about we have dual showrunners for the next chunk of time. Bring in Whithouse with the experience, history etc, then someone like Charlie Brooker to bring new, exciting ideas. I feel like 1 showrunner has too much to do anyway. And while my ideal would be going to a more varied, serialised setup of script editor and producer being the long term, show shaping roles. 2 showrunners that do the job that Davies, Moffat, and Chibnall have done, I think, would be a much better system.
Whoever the new Doctor and showrunner end up being, my expectations are low. I’ve been burned before by high expectations, first with Series 11 and then with early Series 12 (when it appeared to be marginally better than the former). So unless the new showrunner is a radical departure from anyone that’s gone before, it’s going to take me at least a series to warm up to it, even if it’s good.
That's entirely reasonable.
IMO Series 12 *was* quite a bit stronger overall, execution-wise but it suffered from the double-blow of Spyfall Pt. 2 being a tepid wrap up of the quite strong Spyfall Pt. 1, followed immediately by one of the two worst episodes is Chibnall's run, _Orphan 55._ The rest of the season (well, except _The Timeless Children_ ) was actually pretty decent comparatively, but any good will had been lost by then...
@@irrevenant3 Y'know, I actually didn't mind Orphan 55 that much. I fully expected that story to whack me over the head with its message and so it ended up feeling rather restrained. In my opinion, Thirteen also felt a bit more authoritative and 'Doctor-y' in that episode (which is faint praise, considering what came before). Not a good episode, but hardly the worst ever.
I actually kept this goodwill into episodes 4 and 5. It was Fugitive of the Judoon that lost me. An story that went nowhere except _'SuPrIsE pLoT TwIsT: There is another past Doctor!'_ along with some cheap RTD era nostalgia-bait. It also seemed to be setting things up for a finale that later turned out to be everything we feared about them ret-conning the Doctor's origins (this had been rumoured for a while). And while not everyone will agree with me on this, I feel it was mostly just done for the sake of the optics of casting the First Black Woman in the role. (The lack of any indication that Jo Martin will appear in anything post-Series 12 has only reinforced this in my opinion.)
A lot of people say they liked Villa Diodati, but that was a character-driven story with four characters I had no love for and some historical figures who are suddenly their best friends for some reason. So yeah, my expectations were low going into the finale, and somehow the show still managed to limbo under them. But hey, at least it was fun to hate-watch! That's probably the attitude I will be taking into Series 13 and the specials, not to mention Series 14 (assuming that there is one).
@@JontyLevine Yeah, I'm gonna disagree with you on the optics thing. Well, sort of. Chibnall clearly chose to cast a black woman in the role. And it's a weird double standard that that's considered a matter of "optics". The past Doctor could easily have been any race and gender. But if Chibnall had cast a white man hardly anyone would be going "Chibnall only cast a white man for the optics". And that choice would be just as deliberate as the choice to cast a black woman. Chibnall cast a good actor in Jo Martin, who did such a good job that a lot of fans preferred her in the role to Whittaker. Is there a reason he shouldn't have cast a skilled black female actor in the role rather than a skilled white male one?
I don't hate Orphan 55 as much as many people seem to. A lot of people seem to feel attacked by it, which is weird to me. And it's not like the message of "It's probably better to care for our world rather than destroy it, hey?" is particularly contentious. And it's probably my favourite Ryan episode ever. Bouncing off Bella did a lot to give him a personality.
Yeah, we'll see how well S13 goes. I'm also keeping expectations low...
And perhaps I could be persuaded to change my mind if Jo was to reprise the role in Series 13 in any meaningful way. They could definitely be doing a lot more with her, because up until this point her role in the story was to be a walking talking plot twist, and that kinda rubs me the wrong way. I suspect that they won't do it though.
If she did appear in S13, she would probably be one of the best things about it (which admittedly, is faint praise). And I think, like a lot of somewhat serviceable ideas and characters, it's a shame she had to be associated with in this era of the show.
But the reason I doubt they'll do anything else with her is because it would _need_ to be done in Series 13. She hasn't appeared in any of the promotional material or cast interviews. And I doubt the next showrunner will want anything else to do with her. (The only recurring role to survive a transition of showrunners was River Song, and only because the incoming showrunner already had a plan for her. There may be others, but I can't think of any off the top of my head, at least not in New Who.)
Jodie Whittaker started her run in as 13 in "Twice Apon A Time" in 2017 and she will end her run in a special in 2022.
2022 - 2017 = 5
Jodie Whittaker had 5 years in the role.
Technically Chibnall started writing in 2018 but technically the run was 5 years.
little thing but I love that you refer to her as Whittaker over Jodie. not many people do that in the way the refer to the others xxx
I actually make a point of that because it’s always struck me as odd when people will refer to male actors or celebrities by their last names and female ones by their first. Feels like they’re taken less seriously somehow.
Ftw, I meant Patterson Joseph. He would be great as the new Doctor!!!
Him or David Harewood.
I would have liked to have seen Jodie as the doctor with a show runner who understands how to write for Doctor Who in a compelling way. So in a way, I feel it's a shame she's leaving. Unless Series 13 is surprisingly exceptional, I certainly won't be missing Chibnall as head writer.
“David Moffat”. How dare you, madam! It is STEVEN Moffat!
Jk
Steven Tennant was always the best showrunner IMO 😂
I believe they announced Jodies departure because it may get some more eyes on her final series. That's my guess at least.
I would love the next doctor to be the either Freema Agymen or Billie Piper. The reason I'd like to see that because it would give the show a chance to explore the Doctor's guilt. They've never really done that before. And I think casting some one who was a companion in the past would be an excellent way to do that. The only problem with Agymen is that she is currently working on New Amsterdamn, which airs on NBC. I am not totaly sure that Comcast or Universal or whomever owns NBC will let her out of her contract to do that.
I've so many mixed feelings on this.
I am glad Chibnall is leaving. However, I'm also glad he's finishing the story as you stated. It would've been awful for him to have been fired without seeing it through and leaving it for someone else. I do not agree with the Timeless Child, but certainly let him finish.
I've seen a few comments here and there expressing "fear" he'd do more damage with the episodes and specials left. While I understand why someone would feel that way, it's a bit of an odd fear. Honestly, I'm more intrigued at the concept of "What if it's good?"
And I'm talking universally acclaimed good. What if he finished in a way everyone is happy. I think it's possible, but I ponder on what would that mean for the community. It would've been two years of criticism and nasty conversations with hurt feelings, and then suddenly it all turns out to have been good writing (which he IS capable of). What then? Ignore all the hurt feelings? Are we going to say "oh man! That Chibnall pulled a fast one on us!" and leave it be?
I don't know if it would be that easy. It will be interesting to see what happens. Regardless of what does happen: I hope he ends on a higher note than his first two seasons.
I will say, I'll miss jodie like Elcalstain I feel she was never given a chance to have her due but I'm not going to miss chiplinal and those that have inabled him
I was convinced by Eccleston's performance within five minutes; he got the Doctor's character, which I don't think Whittaker has managed in two years. She has never risen above the poor writing in any scene I have seen.
thats a fair point, it took me untill 'it takes you away' to really get what kind of doctor Jodie is. and even so the wrighting has being so over the place that as talented as i think she is, very few people could work with the poor writting
Who's ready for the weekly articles claiming that the next Doctor has been leaked
With the timeless child reveal, If he doesn't acknowledge it, I feel like it would be very heavy for the new show runner and new doctor.
Also with the 60th, I feel like the safest bet could be something along the lines remembrance of the daleks or silver nemesis where they could do a few call backs otherwise it would be a huge undertaking for the new doctor
I don't think we will have a multi-doctor story for the 60th. I think it could be like Peter Davison's 20th Anniversary series before the Five Doctors where they have an element of the past in each episode
@@Andyapp yeah, I think a multi doctor story, so early in a new doctors run might quite hard for the new doctor. It would be nice to see Matt Smith and Peter Capaldi to return to the role if there is a multi doctor story however I feel it's unlikely to see Jodi return as she might want some distance from role, like Tom Baker.
The next doctor needs to be a woman or Chibnall's run is going to become the go to arguement for why a female doctor can never work. We need to have at least two in a row before going back to a male doctor.
@Rebecca Woolf In the show Community there's a spoof of Doctor Who called Inspector Space-Time. One of the episodes they go to an Inspector Space-Time convention and there's an offhanded joke about the only female incarnation of the Inspector and how everyone hates her, not cause she's a woman but cause she sucks.
I am really really worried that that is precisely what's going to happen with 13 if we don't get another female doctor after her.
I really wish the speculation and discussion about who the new Doctor and showrunner are gonna be wasn't dragged down by everything being in this bloody culture war nonsense. Literally every fandom I'm in has been dragged down by a bunch of far-right Fandom Menace types and it's just exhausting.
Love your grey bunny plush with the stabby knife, that made me smile
I just lost my bunny at the beginning of the month
Rabbits can be amazing friends! You were lucky to have each other.
I'm on pretty much exactly the same page as you when it comes to this. I like Jodie Whittaker as the Doctor, especially after she seemed to grow into the role a bit more in her second season, so I'm a bit sad that she's leaving so soon. But, like you, I haven't been super impressed with Chibnall's writing or showrunning so I don't feel too bad about him leaving. I bear him no ill will, just so much of his tenure felt like he was a bit out of his depth. Totally agree on Toby Whithouse too - Under the Lake/Before the Flood is one of my favourite Capaldi stories, and The God Complex was one of the better ones with Matt Smith, so I'd be interested to see what he'd do if he sat in the big chair.
The other thing I'm curious about, aside from the major questions, is whether they'll have a clean slate with companions too (as with Smith and Whittaker) or carry over some legacy companions (as with Tennant and Capaldi).
I have an idea, who could be showrunner - all those idiots, who are bitching and moaning, about "Chinball not getting the show" - let's do a rotational system, that people like Doomcock can be showrunner - let them show, that they can do better. And let *us* be the guys yelling how "THESE IDIOTS" are ruining the show then.
Phoebe Waller-Bridge would be my dream Doctor Who showrunner to be honest. And I'd be A-Okay with Jo Martin being the next Doctor. However, I don't think it'll happen. But it'll be interesting to see the 'for' argument in terms of possibility.
Not contributing to the topic at hand, but I admire your whole look for this video. All the colors, the top/dress/I-am-no-good-at-guessing, your glasses, pins, all of it is beautifully coordinated and makes you glow.
Would of liked to see Jody Whittaker/ The 13th Doctor under a different showrunner but sadly it seems it was not meant to be.
100% agree with your choice for the next showrunner, I would personally love to see Toby Whithouse take over, honestly he was my top pick to take over from Moffat when he left before Chibnall got the job.