Foundation For Witnessing To Unbelievers
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- Watch this clip from Apologia Radio in which we discuss the foundations of witnessing to unbelievers. What is truly going on when we engage with someone who doesn't trust in Christ? How do we manage that in a conversation? Watch as Pastor Jeff Durbin explains.
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Revelation 22:21
The grace of the Lord Jesus be with all. Amen.
Im glad you guys are doing what you're doing. It's proving to be more and more challenging to hold tightly to following the narrow truth of the Lord's way. So many people who call themselves Christian are too willing to bend a little here or there without realizing that Jesus didn't do that. He said there is one way and the way as narrow and so many are called but only a few will answer. Stick to the Word like you're doing. The more people who come against you, the more you know you're on the right path. Blessings brother!
I had plenty of people come against me back when I was Mormon. Does that mean Mormonism the right path?
"I listen to the men who have their hands in the fight."
I've been receiving a lot of new 'input' since I started posting street evangelism videos. What a great reminder to filter feedback while growing in the work.
Thankful to God for the work that yall are doing!
Matthew McConaughey has a very valid point amen
Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools…..
Apart from the God of Scripture, there is no standard.
Sure there is, the standards that man is in agreed upon and naturally evolved since humans have been on earth. How about some of them Old Testament standards that you guys want to divorce yourself from that don't apply today?
@@reginaldhalstead6186 thanks for your opinion
@@reginaldhalstead6186 There is no objective standard in your world view. So in your opinion, racists standards of the past (such as slavery) are just as valid as any standard that exists today.
@@larzman651 you're welcome
@@johntab1000 no they are not valid at all. Just like the slavery standards of the OT and NT that you guys are desperately trying to craft a narrative that fits today. Natural, human evolved standards are what we all live by since God and the Bible are not real. The reason they are so varied around the world is, all of humanity is not in agreement.
Call into the atheist experience and preach this.
Talking to an atheist can sometimes be exactly like talking to a flat-earther.
Lol, Hey Brother, thought i might find Ya here! Grace, Peace, n LOVE to Ya in Our Tri-HOLY KING YHWH 👑 YESHUA. i don't put flat earthers in with Non-Believers, but closer to Fundamentalists (WBB, type)
Except you can be a Christian, who thinks the earth is flat... Although that seems to irritate some
@@Chirhopher I help expose our evil government (the Illuminati) I have 2,000,000+ overall channel views💜🎢🌌[The about section will blow your mind]🤯😲😱!!!
@@michaeljackson8390 lol "the illuminati" the illuminati are nothing but a puny branch of the freemasons.
@@jonathansoko1085 isaiah 40:22 the earth is round, any Christian thinks different hasn't read there bible properly and isn't living of the word of God
How’s it coming w the Dr. Bahnsen stuff?!?
you guys are great!
I want to buy a bible to read, I am overwhelmed when I go to buy one could you give me some feedback on this please. Prayers and Thankyou!
Overwhelmed by the different translations of bibles? I definitely get it, there’s a lot of them.
@@markreese4991 yes there are so many different types of bibles I just want to get one that is the correct one but it seems there is more than just one type.
@@sheree6102 I personally use the New King James Version (King James but without the old English), but I’d recommend the NKJV, English Standard Version, or the Christian Standard Bible. I own one of each and they’re also just fantastic. Purchasing a Bible with a commentary may also be helpful because it contains notes from well educated individuals.
ESV, NASB, and CSB are fine English translations.
There are free Bible apps that are very good. My favorites are the You version app, and the blue letter bible app. Just keep praying and asking God for guidance in reading and applying His Word in your life. It's a lot easier to accumulate bibles than read them, and it is a lot easier to read them than to apply them, but the best is to read and apply God's Word, the Bible, into our lives. Just think of it as a lifelong journey rather than a destination on this side of glory. God bless you! You are doing great!
I love how 99% of the comments have nothing to do with the video
Hey Apologia,
I live in TN and am currently writing a treatise against abortion. In my conclusion I was going to point women in the right direction so they can get financial and spiritual support from Christian pro-life organizations. I was wondering if you guys had any outreach out here. If not, do you know of any doctrinally sound organizations out here? Thanks so much.
Can someone tell me what is that symbol on the wall behind theguy in the middle?
Would appreciate if you talk slowly. Thank you so much.
What if they're not even willing to talk to you about it?
'What is truly going on when we engage with someone who doesn't trust in Christ?' - christ or you
because christ is not the one talking. you are
Durbin, have yall seen the new documentary where Roe from Roe v Wade says she never had an abortion? Didn't want one?
I don't get the black lives matter comment...
What blows my mind all the time is how folks will say that objective moral values and duties DO NOT exist! And then they will endlessly gripe about "crimes" and various "immoral" behaviors, and say the "God of the Old Testament" is abhorrent and evil and a war monger and etc., etc.! Can you get them to see what they're doing? NEVER! I've never ever had anyone go, "You know, you have a point there." NOPE! All they do is say it's against the law or our culture says it is wrong or that it is wrong to them or for them. The moral argument seems to be the most obvious and ever present issue - and I have never ever encountered anyone who would concede. They will deny that laws require law givers and claim morality is subjective - but as I had a dude argue recently (who then deleted his comments) - morality is subjective but NOT optional! _What?_ They'll say that morality is subjective - but not just a figment of the human imagination! Subjective, but for the purpose of happier human lives, human flourishing, and because, well, you wouldn't "like" it is someone did that to you, would ya? But then they are acting as if human life has some sort of value and really _ought_ to be protected, as if somehow, our thoughts and feelings and experiences really do matter - even though, according the them, we somehow came to exist by chance, exist for no real purpose, and in the end, will simply cease to exist and it will be as if we never were. Makes no sense, and no matter how many times you demonstrate how circular and irrational and inconsistent they are being - well, Jimmy crack corn, and they DO NOT care! Perhaps this just demonstrates that they are at enmity with God? It is like they are pulling the wool over their own eyes! (Which is essentially what Jeff says here.) I have no doubt that all those who deny that objective moral values and duties exist, have very personal reasons for doing so! (John 3:19-20, Psalms 53:1) Despite what they themselves experience - like we all do! (Romans 2:14-15) Clearly, it is NOT reason alone the persuades... or convicts! _How often do we forget to pray before we engage?_ I never respond without 'thinking', but sometimes I respond to cerebrally - and do so without 'praying'! _I don't know about anyone reading this... But shame on me!_
So, like your previous interlocuter, I also think that a moral outlook geared _“for the purpose of happier human lives, human flourishing”_ etc. is quite a reasonable aim.
Would I be right in thinking that you have a problem with that?
@@T_J_
If you accept a pragmatic view, sure! But you have no good reason to believe that is how things really _ought_ to be.
@@jessebryant9233 Keeping human well-being as our main focus, is the best thing for human beings. Simple.
Therefore, that's how I think things ought to be.
Why is that not a good reason?
@@T_J_
In a pragmatic sense, sure! But then, why do you think we really _ought_ to strive to do what is best for human beings? (Circular reasoning? Personal preference? Pragmatism?) Besides, is there any standard that is better for human well being than the Judeo-Christian ethic?
The "reason" you offer isn't a good one because it is merely an appeal to pragmatism (as if we really _should_ embrace the pragmatic approach), which seems to be a bit circular to me.
@@jessebryant9233 Why do I think that we should strive to do what's best for human beings? Because, as far as we *know* - we are all we've got! Therefore, it's rational, sensible and ethical to act accordingly.
Circular reasoning is where the premise is the same as the conclusion. In this case, the premise rests on adopting a human well-being _mindset._ The conclusion is that by doing so, you will (or are at least more likely to) bring about _results_ that are inkeeping with human flourishing. They are not the same things. So, no ... sorry, that's not circular.
What it is, is obvious. It's like saying, if you drive with care, you're more likely to arrive at your destination in one piece.
I'm not interested in philosophical categorisations, but if you want to call that pragmatism, then fine.
_"Is there any standard that is better for human well being than the Judeo-Christian ethic?"_
Yes. Humanism.
Can I witness with an Irish brew in my hand??
That symbol in the back… idk man
What don't you know? Yeah, like holidays, different symbols have been used by different groups at different times for different reasons... and I'm not breaking fellowship with followers of Christ if they don't see it the way I do. Personally, I prefer to forgo all symbols. I mean, folks even bicker over the cross - it's shape and such. Maybe we should all focus on the Word more and the peripherals less? Tackle the extra-curricular stuff when appropriate rather than bring it up unnecessarily or make it a specific point of contention. Just a suggestion and kind of thinking out loud... as one who is weary of so much constant 'striving' within the body. Hey, maybe each squabble results in another denomination? Sometimes, I just dunno...
Imageless
Your image, with persistence,
denies Your existence;
Leaving them imageless.
In the folly of their youth,
Seeking to find their truth;
Denying that The Truth exists.
They declared that You are dead,
Followed by a century of bloodshed.
The redwashing still persists.
All saying they act in love,
Which they have no standard of;
Upwards they shake their fists.
And yet You sent Your only Son;
In His death Your kingdom comes.
No greater love than this.
With fingers in their ears,
They’ll claim they didn’t hear
Your call to eternal bliss.
Because inward they have lied,
Your Truth they have denied;
They seek what their image is.
In rebellion they cannot glean,
We’re the image of The Great Unseen;
Leaving man imageless.
What are You saying? Do You Know what that means; What does that mean?)
@@Chirhopher what?
LOVE THIS!!! Did you write it?
@@Vampyrekai thank you! Yes I did
Why bother if they're pre-determined to not believe and all go to hell for "God's glory" anyways???
How do you know if they are pre-determined?
Imagine believing we don't have to obey the great commission just because God is sovereign...
@@connectlan7177
Doesn't matter if you know or not, does it? They either are or they aren't!
@@Vampyrekai
Or imagine that I have no choice to obey or not... because God is sovereign.
@@jessebryant9233 Its going to be real embarrassing on the Day of Judgement for all of you Christians who just couldn't grasp the total sovereignty of God.
You idolize your own will over that of God.
The whole point of presuppositional apologetics is “not merely” self-aggrandizement. Lol
Insane circular reasoning
All ultimate truths must be self-attesting. Think before posting.
Presupp. is so intellectually bankrupt I don't understand how anyone can buy into it. It is the end result of having lost every other debate involving all the standard theist arguments... so they have to result to this circular reasoning word salad to reassure what they already believe.
Bottom line is this. If you have an argument, present it. If not, kindly go away. I care what you can demonstrate, not what you simply assert to be true.
Oh, Jeff always does a masterful job of this
Masterful? Jeff is a Christian propagandist. And you guys are props, easily led, easily fooled.
@@reginaldhalstead6186 and thanks for your opinion
@@reginaldhalstead6186 propagandist? Hahahaha
@@djcraigg69 Uh, that's "Christian propagandist".
This is painful.
Psalms83:18ASV"18That they may know that thou alone, whose name is JEHOVAH, Art the MOST HIGH over all the earth." Note please that there is but one named JEHOVAH. Note also that this one is the MOST HIGH. Thus if ones God is associated with multiple co'equals (e.g the Trinitarian Jesus). He is not the Lord JEHOVAH.
You might want to research what Christianity believes regarding the Trinity. You clearly do not understand the Trinity by your posted statement.
Christianity believes in only ONE God, named Yahweh, badly translated/mispronounced to English as Jehovah. Yahweh/Jehovah is one being that is a spirit and immaterial who exists everywhere (ie..omnipresent including outside time, space, matter). This immaterial spirit God has three co-equal persons who have always existed together as God from eternity without beginning. God is love and defines what love is by himself as he expresses himself through these three persons who glorify each other, submit to one another, worship one another, and have defined roles in manifesting and accomplishing the will of Yahweh/Jehovah. The Father is Yahweh/Jehovah. Jesus, the Son, is Yahweh/Jehovah. The Holy Spirit is Yahweh/Jehovah. The Father is Not the Son or the Holy Spirit. The Son is Not the Father or the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is Not the Father or the Son. It is also Not one God turning into different people at different times. They all three exist at the same time, communicating to each other in whatever form they exist in or take on at the time. The three are Yahweh individually and together because they all share the essence of Yahweh, the immaterial being existing outside time, space, and matter who is the Creator of all things (material and immaterial).
You are assigning the name Jehovah/Yahweh to just the person of the Father and assuming that Jesus and the Holy Spirit are other separate created beings. We do not believe that Jesus or the Holy Spirit were ever created. They are eternal just like the Father and the three persons share the same essence of God, immaterial eternal spirit existing outside time, space, and matter.
Yahweh appeared as many things in the old testament to have a relationship with his creation...walked in the garden with Adam and Eve, appeared to Abraham as a man, wrestled with Jacob/Israel in a human body, spoke from a burning bush and atop a mountain to Moses, etc... In the New Testament, we see Jesus taking flesh and actually being born to have a genealogy to King David and Abraham rather than just appearing as a man, the Holy Spirit descending like a dove at Jesus' baptism, etc...
Many people say it is confusing to have one being of God composed of three persons. That's why he is God and we are not. The Holy Spirit can indwell every person who comes to saving faith in Christ to draw them to the gospel and convict them for sanctification. One immaterial God person can indwell millions of people at the same time.
Yahweh is not like us though he has impressed his image upon us so that we have not just a human body but a spiritual element as well like him that exists after we die. He also has impressed a sense of morality, reasoning, logic, and justice in our hearts. Because we live in a sinful world our reason, logic, justice, and morality is darkened but we also sense that it exists and have a sense of right and wrong because we are made in his image.
Now look at the verse and you will understand why the verse is fully compatible with the Trinity but your post makes no sense to a Trinitarian Christian.
From what I've read you have no reason to disagree me. Incidentally I was merely quoting the cited text when I called him JEHOVAH. But if your definition of trinitarianism is true, then Jesus is not JEHOVAH according to trinitarianism as well as psalms 83:18. As according to your definition of trinitarianism JEHOVAH is triune and superlative and Jesus is neither.
@@aservantofJEHOVAH7849 Jesus is Yahweh/Jehovah. Yahweh/Jehovah says in Isaiah 42:8 that he doesn't share his glory, but Jesus says in John 17:5 that he shared the Father's glory before the world began, because they are both Yahweh/Jehovah.
Hebrews chapter 1 explains that the Son, Jesus, is the firstborn of God which means that he is the preeminent one or heir (verse 2) (according to the firstborn succession of Jewish law) not that he was created. Jesus is the brightness of Yahweh/Jehovah's glory and image of his person (shared glory, verse 3). Jesus the Son is differentiated in the chapter from the angels that were created. Hebrews 1:8-9 shows the Father speaking of the Son Jesus and citing Psalm 45:6-7 as referencing the Son and calls him God (Elohim). In the same chapter of Psalm 45, Yahweh/Jehovah is called God (Elohim) and is blessing the Son in verse 2 and calls the Son, the Might One (el Gibbor in verse 3). El Gibbor/Mighty One is a term used in Isaiah 10:21 in reference to Yahweh/Jehovah. See the actual Greek in biblehub.com/text/psalms/45-3.htm
Your New World translation corrupts the verse John 1:1 to say the Word was "a" God instead of the Word was God. But the Greek words translated as In the Beginning, a reference to Genesis 1, literally mean eternal as far back as you can go without ever stopping, meaning the Word was never created and was with God/Yahweh/Jehovah face to face. Also Psalm 90:2 says that before the mountains were created from everlasting to everlasting, you were God, talking about Jesus, again not created, always in existence with Yahweh/Jehovah because he is Yahweh/Jehovah.
Isaiah 43:10-11 says that no gods were formed or created before Yahweh/Jehovah nor will there be after forever. It goes on to say that Yahweh/Jehovah is the only savior. Meaning Jesus, the Savior of the World according to the gospels can not be "a" god created after Jehovah as the New World bible translates John 1 above to be and he is Yahweh/Jehovah.
Deuteronomy 6:4 is adamant that there is only ONE Yahweh/Jehovah, who according to all these texts is eternal and never created, the only saviour who created all things material and immaterial.
Isaiah 9:6 prophesies the coming of Jesus the Son as the Messiah and says he is everlasting (not created) and a mighty God (El Gibbor). Yahweh/Jehovah is called Mighty God (El Gibbor) in Isaiah 10:21.
Isaiah 40:3 prophesies about Jesus coming as the Messiah calling him both Mighty God (Elohim) and Yahweh/Jehovah in the same verse.
Isaiah 7:14 prophesies Jesus birth by a virgin and calls him Immanuel which means "God with us" (Matthew 1:22-23).
Isaiah 40:28 says that Yahweh/Jehovah is everlasting (never created) and is the Creator of the ends of the earth. Colossians 1:16 says that Jesus the Son created "all things" though your New World translation corrupts the verse to say all "other" things but there is no Greek word for "other" in the text. biblehub.com/text/colossians/1-16.htm
Hebrews 1:2 is a parallel passage noting that all things were created through the Son, Jesus and he is the heir.
In Genesis 18, Yahweh/Jehovah appears to Abraham with two angels and plans to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah. Abraham attempts to intercede on behalf of Lot who lives in Sodom. Genesis 19:24 says that Yahweh/Jehovah rained down fire/sulfur on Sodom FROM Yahweh/Jehovah out of the heavens. This is why the old testament Jews believed in a duality of persons in the one God, Yahweh/Jehovah. biblehub.com/text/genesis/19-24.htm
It is also why Genesis 1 uses language of the Trinity...God created (verse 1), Gods Spirit or the Holy Spirit in verse 2, and God/Jesus says (verse 3, the Word talked about in John 1 that became flesh who created all things Colossians 1:16 and Hebrews 1:2) are with the Father and are together the one God Yahweh/Jehovah. Genesis 1:26 utilizes the plural "let us make" (naaseh) with the one God. biblehub.com/text/genesis/1-26.htm
Neither Jews nor Christians are polytheists. We are monotheists believing in only ONE God, Yahweh/Jehovah. There are no other gods before or after Yahweh/Jehovah who is eternal and always existing.
Lastly, Jesus is identified as the great shepherd and his people (believers) are his flock (Hebrews 13:20, Mark 14:27, and Matthew 26:31). Psalm 23 identifies Yahweh/Jehovah as the great Shepherd and Psalm 100:3 shows Yahweh/Jehovah created his people and they are his flock of sheep.
If you truly seek truth, you should start by not believing everything your church says and researching things for yourself. There is only one truth, the God-breathed Scriptures (2 Timothy 3:16) and it is preserved through the ages (Isaiah 40:8) despite the Watchtowers attempts to corrupt it.
If you want the truth, research how your New World translation was created. For years, the Watchtower attempted to hide the names of the translators (stating they didn't want any honor afforded the men despite all other Bible translations listing out their translators transparently to authenticate the accuracy of the translation by their credentials) but the names were released during a court case at the Scottish Court of Sessions in November, 1954 (Douglas Walsh v. The Right Honorable James Latham Clyde, M.P., P.C., etc., Scotland, 1954)
One man, George Gangas, was a Turkish national who could translate modern Greek but had no Biblical languages training like ancient Koine Greek which composes the New Testament.
The main translator, possibly the only real translator was Frederick Franz who had been a student at the University of Cincinnati. He had 21 semester hours of classical Greek and some Latin. He partially completed a two-hour survey course in Biblical Greek, and said he was self-taught in Spanish, Hebrew and Aramaic. He admitted he couldn't speak Hebrew and refused to attempt to translate a verse in Genesis to Hebrew during the trial, a simple exercise that any first or second year Hebrew student would be able to do.
Albert Schroeder (attended college majoring in mechanical engineering but dropped out) had no Biblical language training.
At least two of the remaining men, possibly all three (Milton Henschel, Karl Klein, Nathan Knorr) didn't even complete high school much less had any biblical language instruction.
You are contradicting yourself leah it is you who claimed that JEHOVAH is superlative and triune. So for you you to simultaneously hold that Jesus who you insists has two equals and is not triune is the same as the superlative and triune JEHOVAH is clearly nonsense. If you want to perceive truth you need to start thinking clearly about what you are saying. Psalms 8:5 refers to angels as Gods Job38:7shows that JEHOVAH was not alone when he created the physical world. So the glory that Jesus mentions at John17:5 ALONGSIDE God is not JEHOVAH'S
Hebrews1:9KJV"9Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows."
Note that the anointer is GOD of the anointed. JEHOVAH is NEVER anointed In scripture he is always anointer.
JOHN8:54KJV"54Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God" If Jesus were the most high God this statement would never be true under any circumstance. Note that Jesus God and Father is the God of Israel another thing that cannot be true according to your trinity.
@@aservantofJEHOVAH7849 Your post makes no sense. Yahweh is superlative and only one God in three persons. There are no other gods besides Yahweh. So Jesus can not be "a" god as your translation suggests he is another god besides the Father in John 1:1 nor is he created as your translation suggests in Colossians 1:16.
I gave you multiple passages showing that Jesus is eternal not created and he is referred to as Yahweh in Scripture as well. It is not a problem for the Father to honor the Son or the Son to honor the Spirit or the Son to pray to the Father with a Trinity mindset because we believe that all three persons exist at the same time and commune with each other which is why God is the definition of Love as well as justice, holiness, morality, etc...
You are also in error about Psalm 8:5. The angels are not called gods in this passage. The passage praises Yahweh in the beginning and marvels that He created human man a little lower than the angels and gave man dominion over all creation as was stated in Genesis 1:26-30.
Your Jehovah's witness mindset reads all sorts of nonsense into the text. Hebrews 1 says that Jesus is not like the angels and shows the Father calling him God in Psalm 45 and using terms like Mighty God (El Gibbor) that are used for Yahweh. Neither angels nor humans are called El Gibbor, only Jesus because he is Yahweh. Perhaps you should take a look a those bible hub links I sent that actually translate the Hebrew and Koine Greek roughly and directly without the smoothness of an actual translation so you can see the actual words transcribed.
I won't respond again until you respond to the verses showing Yahweh on earth and in heaven in Genesis 19 and Scriptures stating that Jesus is eternal not created and using God to describe Jesus the Son that are used by Yahweh for himself. Remember Isaiah and Deuteronomy and other passages all affirm there is only one God and no other gods came before Yahweh and no others come after him and he is eternal. Jesus is God because he is Yahweh. Angels are not gods. They are spiritual beings but only Yahweh is God.
I see Jeff is still saying the same things about his imaginary friend.
The irony and projection is strong.
Jeff makes no sense. I wish he would be consistent in his beliefs and world view. He continues to talk and act like someone who believes in free will while engaging with non believers. Yet his own beliefs are everything everywhere is determined by God's will. Yet he rails against the unbelievers for deny truth when he himself believes they are completely unable to see or believe unless God pre determined them to be regenerated and saved. So any non believers who stay in that condition is exactly what God wills and wants so he can be glorified by their eternal suffering. These are Jeff's beliefs not mine. In his world view every child abortion is Gods determined will and Jeff is fighting against his Gods will. Yet he determined him to do so which is odd. I can't wait to see Jeff finally be honest one way or another. He needs to either drop his deterministic/calvinist views and continue evangelizing the lost or stop evangelism because it is directly in opposition to his current views
Ignorance Isn't a good look on anyone.
I'm sorry you hate Gods sovereignty.
Well said Krazzy! Spot on!
When the atheists are cheering on your position... Perhaps you are on the wrong side of this issue.
He is being consistent with the scriptures which teach these things are predestined, but that the method of their response is the proclamation of the Gospel. Calvinism doesn't teach that they know who is or is not, so they take the call to preach the Gospel, which is the power of God unto salvation, seriously. It is both/and not either/or.
@@soapboxtheology i agree he is consistent with scripture when preaching the Gospel. But it is not consistent with determinism. Jeff is reasoning and trying to persuade people out of unbelief into salvation. He literally is evangelizing as if the people are able to respond. His beliefs and his actions are in opposition to each other. Those who are determined to be saved cannot resist irresistible grace and those who are determined to be lost are doomed from the womb and unable to respond. Thus how can he justify his attempts to persuade people? Or perhaps he should just streamline his message into a quick paragraph and then ask at the end have you been regenerated? Then he can reach more people so much faster because if the person who hears is secretly elected they will have to be regenerated by the irresistible grace. Boy that would work so much better then this fake dance he puts on. Imagine Ice cream truck like Gospel trucks blaring the Gospel while going through towns. Those who are determined to believe will upon hearing and those who are not can be avoided since Jesus didn't die for them anyway.
Unbelievers are lost? … Creature worship? … Unbelievers create a gods that looks like them? What?
This is some guy simply asserting things …
Well, guess what, Jeff? That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. Consider your assertions, including the one that your god exists, dismissed.
From the atheistic position, why do you assert that evidence has any intrinsic meaning?
@@Heroesbleed Evidence supports claims. If someone cares that their beliefs and opinions are realistic, evidence will have intrinsic meaning to them.
I am one of those people.
@@T_J_ Evidence supports claims? Uh, the atheistic worldview has no abstract absolutes. Matter plus time plus chance doesn’t produce laws of logic.
@@Heroesbleed you are 100 percent correct
@@Heroesbleed _“Matter plus time plus chance doesn’t produce laws of logic.”_
I don't remember making that specific claim …
_“the atheistic worldview has no abstract absolutes.”_
Demonstrate that.
And even if “the atheistic worldview” (whatever that means to you) has no abstract absolutes, why should that contradict my point that evidence supports claims?
Oh, but Jeff, you are a great standard
Listen to him carefully, he likes to portray himself as a modern day prophet at best, or modern day JC at worst. Listen,,,,carefully.
@@reginaldhalstead6186 no, he doesn’t. When has he ever spoken for God outside of reading from the scripture? All he says is taken from the Bible and applied to our day and age. There’s nothing extra biblical about this man
@@reginaldhalstead6186 He’s a man that believes in Romans 3:23. “All have sinned and fall short of God’s Glory.” If you claim to follow Jesus then that verse applies to you. If not, then you maybe considering yourself to be like Jesus.
@@reginaldhalstead6186 Yeah, like we are going to take the word of an atheist, hater of God.
You can't discern spiritual things because you walk in the flesh. Your opinion here is irrelevant.