Reports, Sightings and Anecdotal Evidence Billy the Kid Lived After He Was Reportedly Killed
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- In this episode, I address the claim made by neo-historians and those that support maintaining the historical status quo that no reports or sightings of Billy the Kid exist after his reported death on July 14, 1881.
Previous Episodes In This Series:
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Brushy Bill Roberts AKA Billy The Kid: Could He Speak Spanish?:
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Brushy Bill Roberts AKA Billy The Kid: Did He Really Claim To Be A Member Of The James Gang?: • Brushy Bill Roberts AK...
Brushy Bill Roberts AKA Billy The Kid: Was He Really Oliver P. Roberts, Born In 1879?: • Brushy Bill Roberts AK...
Brushy Bill Roberts AKA Billy The Kid: Physical Similarities & Facial Recognition Study: • Brushy Bill Roberts AK...
Brushy Bill Roberts In His Own Words: The Lincoln County War & Debunking The Saga Of Billy The Kid: • Brushy Bill Roberts In...
Brushy Bill Roberts In His Own Words: The Outlaw Years Part 1 Meeting Governor Lew Wallace: • Brushy Bill Roberts In...
Brushy Bill Roberts In His Own Words: The Outlaw Years Part 2 The Death of Tom Folliard: • Brushy Bill Roberts In...
Brushy Bill Roberts In His Own Words: The Outlaw Years: Part 3 - The Death of Charlie Bowdre: • Brushy Bill Roberts In...
Brushy Bill Roberts In His Own Words: The Outlaw Years Part 4: Escape From The Lincoln Jail: • Brushy Bill Roberts In...
The Real Billy the Kid AKA Brushy Bill Roberts In His Own Words: The Shooting At Ft. Sumner: • The Real Billy the Kid...
The Real Billy the Kid AKA Brushy Bill Roberts: Books, Researchers & Authors: • The Real Billy the Kid...
Interview with Jimmie Thomas - 2nd Great Grandson of Odila Maxwell: • Interview with Jimmie ...
Book Source List with Amazon Affiliate Links: As an Amazon Associate, I earn from qualifying purchases:
The Hico Legend of Billy the Kid by Judge Bobby Hefner - amzn.to/46rr5lt
Billy the Kid: Killed In New Mexico - Died In Texas by Dr. Jannay P. Valdez and Judge Bobby Hefner - amzn.to/48ul3SU
Billy the Kid And Me Were The Same by William A. Tunstill - amzn.to/48pVeTU
Alias Billy the Kid by William V. Morrison & C.L. Sonnichsen - amzn.to/3B3vH4H
The Return of the Outlaw Billy the Kid by W.C. Jameson & Frederic Bean - amzn.to/3PKsbAt
Billy the Kid The Bibliography of A Legend by JC Dykes -amzn.to/3RwJ8Co
Whatever Happened To Billy the Kid by Helen Airy - amzn.to/3JVFSvk - Zábava
The most comprehensive work youll find on the topic hands down. Love the attention to detail.
Wow, thank you!
Hell yeah!!!
My biggest concern with neo historians is their willingness to knock down anything that the status quo consensus narrative has led us to believe all this time Garrett killed the kid and that’s it, really!?
Always glad to see another Brushy Bill video's been posted by this channel!
Amen!
I've been waiting for a new Brett Hall video..he never disappoints.
Great job Brett.
There is a Young Guns 3 coming out. I believe it is now in production. I wonder if Billy living after his supposed shooting will be a part of the storyline??
I’m glad they are making another movie but think about it, what else can they say that hasn’t been already said? I think him living after the fact will be the story, what do the rest of you think?
It already was in Young Guns II!
I like all Brett's followers , and yg3 is alias billy the kid
@@RichieRich64 should be we will see , but I can promise you one thing if it ain't , it will be the breaking story of the century.
It's so cool being in cox canyon listening to this thinking about the kid chasing cows up and down the canyon. Also there are local stories of Oliver Lee providing cover for Billy also deserve mention.
Thank you Brett Hall for another interesting story. Im a believer that Brushy was Billy thanks to you.
Love these❤❤❤❤❤thank you.
Glad you like them!
Awsome work Mr. Hall I do appreciate you and your research can't wait for whats to come. Thank you!
Excellent video. Thanks again for your research and work.
Thanks again!
I have always believed Brushy Bill was really Billy The Kid.
I've been watching your videos all day and Brushy Bill knew stuff only Billy The Kid could've known. Thanks for the excellent information 👍🏻
Thanks for watching.
When I was a kid Young Guns was my favorite movie. Most kids wanted to GI Joes, Superman, or even Batman. I wanted to be Billy The Kid. I think the last three halloweens I dressed up and went trick or treating, I went as Billy the Kid. I remember finding out that Young Guns 2 was movie and I couldn’t believe it. There was no internet then to google anything. I always questioned weather Pat Garret shot Billy. I guess we will truly never know. I really hope they don’t butcher Young Guns 3.
You’d think there was photographs taken of the dead body . As Billy being a celebrity and all
The number of photographers in the NM territory at that time was around three, photograph was not very wide spread specially in rural NM his known photograph was almost by chance as one of this photographers was passing by Sumner.
Love all that hard work Brett! Brilliant as always and look forward to the next one!
Awesome, thank you!
Thanks Brett, can't wait to watch this, Keep up the good work buddy.
Thanks, will do!
Another great one Brett,awesome job
Brett Fantastic--Glad to see you again
I don’t know how I’ve missed this video but it’s awesome! Kept me choked up as I have trucked all over the territory mentioned a big portion of my life and had no idea. I can well understand how a man wouldn’t want to get very far from these great roots!
That a man of fortitude and the will to survive would do just that! He deserves heart felt friends!
Well I hope this video is evidence that all is well Brett! Love hearing your insight and knowledge about this subject and am a firm believer in what William Tunstill and yourself have revealed. For my own research has uncovered evidence to the fact Brushy Bill was BTK and can be backed up by the evidence you both of brought forth. Even A.P. "Paco" Anaya's grandson confirms our findings. Thank you for the hard work of putting it all together for those of us that want to glean from your knowledge! Happy Trails!!
I can't read BTK without thinking of the serial killer. Billy killed people but not quite the same. Haha
@@css31069 Did you know the majority of the people BTK killed was in self defense?
Great to see you back. Great job as usual.
Another great job sir, thank you!
Thanks again!
Awesome upload Brett I'm looking forward to your next upload
Thanks 👍
Listen to all your videos keep up the great work, can’t wait for the next episode.
Much appreciated!
I had no idea that the ancestors had written accounts that Billy the kid was not killed by Pat Garrett this is huge!
just the other day I found a new tintype photo of Billy the kid with Pat Garrett in the photo as friends.
it is the best known tintype so far that has been found and has not been released to the public yet.
The photo is so well done it puts goosebumps and chills down my spine
I look forward to seeing it someday. Thanks for watching.
Hot damn, another great installment! Good job, 👍 a damn good job. You're doing great work, and the honesty and integrity of your endeavors shines through.
Thank you
Thanks!
Pat Garrett was about image and reputation. Killing the wrong person "again", especially an inocent, would have been bad for his reputation/career and possibly neck. I think a deal was made to fix everything when he shot an inocent person.
I know Pat Garrett didn't kill Billy the kid. My best friend's Dad growing was related to Pat Garrett and he shared a letter that basically said Pat shot the wrong man and it was a cover up
Do you know if this letter still exists and where it's located? If so, I'd be very interested in examining a copy. Thanks for sharing, and thank you for watching.
I have a newly discovered tintype with a young Billy the kid and Pat Garrett as friends
Great job in following and presenting all the documentation as to the real story. From Burns and the like, it seems all of their "evidence" of the mainstream narrative boils down to one single account and that is from Garrett. Otherwise, what real evidence exists that Billy died in 1881? I don't understand how so many accounts, statements, story alignments and affidavits can just be brushed off and ignored without anyone having addressed them. So, all that really begs the question why so many people in power were willing to let Garretts story stand and let history believe this lie? Exactly what leverage did Billy's existence hold to where he needed to be dead and gone and exactly where was the big benefit for them to let this continue to be believed? (maybe those 2 questions are asking the same thing)
I believe present day investigations with this amount of data would absolutely conclude that Billy died in Texas in 1950.
Like a researcher once said said..
"Pat writing Billy's autobiography is like Jack Ruby writing Oswald's autobiography"
Pat didn't kill Billy no more than I did..lol
Excellent work as usual. 🙌🙌🙌
Thanks!
AWESOME!! Another excellent Brett Hall vid!!! ❤️🇺🇸❤️🇺🇸
Thanks!
Great research once again. I've always thought a movie should come about. You would definitely be a consultant.
Wow, thank you!
Hey Bret. Another point that could be made. If you look up the images Joseph Mcarty Antrim. There is one headshot of Joseph as an older man. Looks very similar to Billy. Both have the jug ears, similar facial features. Brothers often look alike. Maybe you could do a video on that. Put their faces side by side. Thanks for all you have done with this.
Excellent points! Thanks for watching.
I don’t think Pat Garret killed Billy and Jesse James wasn’t killed by Ford either
I Agree 👍💯
Supposedly the guy that said he was Jesse James. They tested his bones and no match to the James family.
@@AnthonySolis-dp1gw actually there’s more than one
I couldn't agree more
Excellent video. Thank you
Good job Brett . Mucho appreciato amigo !
Billy the Kid could have survived and lived a long healthy life. Doesn't mean that he did it as Brushy Bill. Everything you present can be true and false at the same time but I guess that is what makes it a good mystery. Brushy Bill's stories are too wild for me to take seriously. His life is far more interesting than Billy the Kid's whether his stories are true or not. It has Forest Gump vibes.
That's what makes this so fascinating and why we've been fighting to settle this once and for all through DNA testing. Unfortunately, the powers that be in New Mexico have fought this every step of the way. Thanks for watching.
@@brushybret Well right or wrong, it is an interesting story to tell. I am more interest in Brushy Bill's stories with the rough riders. That to me is more interesting than him being Billy the Kid. What were his interactions with Theodore Roosevelt like I wonder?
I never believed that Pat Garrett killed Billy the kid, I've always believed that Bushy Bill Roberts was and is Billy the kid who lived and survived to be in the ripe older age.
Awesome Content !!
Thanks!
Good video...Brushy Bill , Billy the kid
Thanks for watching.
Thank you for replying....I went to New Mexico on vacation twice to know more about Billy the kid..
do you know where or how i can get a copy of the book Billy The Kid AKA Brushy Bill Roberts ...i have looked everywhere on line and cant find a copy?
Me too!
I found mine on amazon.
New subscriber, awesome channel 👍🏻
Thanks and welcome
@@brushybret Did you write the book The Real Billy The Kid AKA Brushy Bill Roberts? If so where can I buy a copy?
Yes, I did. It's currently out of print, but I'm in the process of updating it and hope to have it back out soon. When it's available, I'll make an announcement on my channel.
Im really enjoying your channel. It's amazing research. I love the commentary and If Garrett killed the kid your telling me there was no huge funeral or pictures the biggest outlaw was just killed a man beloved by people and his closed casket was just buried as fast as possible with an old cross
The best thing is time for time will reviled the truth. We should question hour History for we being lied about the history of humanity., power to the true.
Great video, common sense tells you that as many letters and sightings outlined here and in books, Brushy was Billy the kid and ruse of his death just doesn’t hold up. For me, it really boils down to if you killed the most famous outlaw of his time and have zero imperial verification, it didn’t happen.
There is still that minor issue of "supposed" Brushy Bill photos and Billy the Kid photos looking nothing alike. There is also the fact that Brushy was friends with the Jesse James imposter and both have similar stores about being these historic figures.
As for Bushy Bill, I am doubtful, but I don't believe that Garrett killed Billy.
Dude, you rock
Thanks!
I think your videos are great, however - how can it be that Garrett killed both Bowdrey and Folliard thinking they were the kid, and yet be Billy's best friend? Makes no sense.
Mercy, isn't DNA enough evidence? It is proven.
We know many sightings now . And things brushy said ring true in history books on judge parker and on Indian territory incidents and the shipping of cattle to Liverpool and catching ponies in the Shetland islands 1894 ( hord cattle company)
Brushy bill was billy the kid
I love this man
he would of sent letters a some point to antagonize a number of different people, he never did
Gallegos said he wrote him a letter, and several people reported seeing him and talking to him in person.
I'm amazed at the depths people will go to defend their position. Now, I see people with videos saying, "the ears don't match. Experts say the shape of the ear never changes." They refuse to look at a lot of the evidence to defend Pat Garrett killing Billy. Have you heard this claim? If so have you looked into it? I'm about the facts. And from your documentary and others, I believe Brushy was Billy.
As far as the ear lobes go, the ears in the original, photograph were almost completely gone. The photograph, including the ears, was "retouched" by a man by the name of Noah Rose. Only the very top part of one of the ears was still visible in the tintype. This was mentioned by John Meigs in his report to The Lincoln County heritage Trust in the 1980s and has been discussed by acclaimed western photograph historian Robert McCubbin. Thanks for watching.
We know where his mother and brother are buried so it should be pretty easy to get a DNA sample from them and a comparable sample from the body in the grave
This was tried in the early 2000s, by two former Lincoln County Deputy Sheriffs. However, the powers that be in New Mexico fought this every step of the way by filing a series of lawsuits and legal motions. The plan was to exhume the body of Catherine Antrim in Silver City, the body in Ft. Sumner, Brushy Bill Roberts, and John Miller. Joe Antrim's body was donated to science upon his death, so he's not an option for obtaining DNA. This is all detailed in the books, The Dirty on Billy the Kid by Steven Sederwall and Billy the Kid: Cold Case - Investigating History's Mysteries by W.C. Jameson.
If you just go with the documented statement of all who was there when Billy was supposedly shot by Garrett then it really doesn't make sense. I think anyone who has a half a brain would agree that if you were heavily wanted and had a big chunk of money on your head and had been known to escape jail and you know that there's several poses out looking for you you're not just going to walk past someone (Poe) who you don't know that just so happens to be on the porch of your friend then proceed to go into a dark room unarmed and ask who is there?... Maybe back in those days a story like that would go unquestioned but these days everyone would be calling BS to it. I've gone back and forth with questioning if The Kid was actually killed that night and I first didn't believe it but then after many years researching into it and living here in New Mexico and talking with people about it I changed my mind and excepted that he probably was killed that night but it wouldn't stop nagging at me and I don't know if it's because I truly don't want to believe he was killed or what but I really just feel like he wasn't and if I put myself in his shoes with everything that was going on at the time I can say without a doubt that I would not have walked into Pete's room unarmed in the dark with people who I didn't know hanging around outside. None of that makes sense when you put all the variables together. So now I'm leaning back towards the notion of him not really being killed. Whether or not he was Brushy Bill I won't ever be able to say for sure but I can say with a fair bit of confidence that he wasn't killed by Garrett that night. But the ultimate reality is that unless some kind of profound never before seen undeniable evidence pops up providing that Billy the Kid didn't actually get killed by Garrett none of us will be able to say for certain one way or another. And I tend to not give much credit to anyone who claims they know for certain without a doubt that he wasn't killed cause no one will ever truly know. It's very interesting to go over everything we've come to know throughout the years and try to figure it out one way or another but sadly nothing we have right now can show for certain he wasn't killed. And as much as I want him to not have been killed by Garrett or all the evidence I've seen saying that he actually was I will never say for certain that I know one way or another. The only thing I can say for sure is that living here in New Mexico his spirit still rides these old trails and if you know where to look you'll still see that same old west outlaw era living on. Thankfully those old times haven't been covered up by the modern day and busy people. This state holds all of that old spirit still vastly untouched and I'm so thankful for that. Not many places can say that now days.
I will say this.... I know for a fact it's pretty easy to fly under the wire when no one is looking for you.... especially at that time. How about this.... Brushy / Billy later killed pat.
I don't know if you know but I seen a thing with brushy bills tapes found is that really his voice it sounds made up
Do you have a link, as I'm not really sure what you're referencing?
Brush Bill was way too young to be Billy the kid...
I already published a video debunking the claim Roberts was too young using census, employment, and genealogical records. czcams.com/video/EK9oRxqmee0/video.htmlsi=l7Mo7AwkupXAzuqR
People saw Elvis too. Come on!!
Could you cite some specific examples?
@@brushybret Not off the top of my head, it was always on TV. Sightings of Elvis. Not buying the BS. Remember this, I was alive when he died. There were always people saying they saw Elvis.
@@navydogsadventures3500 But did these reports originate from reliable individuals who were known to the subject or close relatives of those associated, as in the case of those cited in the video (i.e. Yginio Salazar, Frank Coe, George Coe, Jim Herron John Poe etc.etc.)?
@brushybret There were pictures and videos. Here is the psychology of people. They will say things that aren't true just to get attention.
Billy the Kid is alive and well living in Sante Fe
Brushy bill looks nothing like BTK
I did a video discussing this which includes a facial recognition study conducted by the University of Texas-Austin which concluded Roberts and the man in the Dedrick-Upham Tintype were a statistical match. The study was led by two PhD scientists who used a nationally recognized facial recognition program used throughout the world, by multiple law enforcement agencies, and is admissible in court. The methods used in the study were peer-reviewed and published in two scientific publications. Furthermore, the results were reviewed and confirmed by two independent arbiters. Here is a link to the video with full source citations. Thanks for watching. czcams.com/video/Y8KpyQTdBfk/video.html
Brushy bill wasn't Billy the Kid. He wasn't even close to the same age. Brushy bill was born something like 20 years after Billy was supposedly shot by Garrett
@@Jen-lf5jm I already published a video debunking the 1879 birth claim using census, employment, and genealogical records, and unlike those that seek to discredit Roberts I show you the supporting documents and sources on the screen as I'm citing them. czcams.com/video/EK9oRxqmee0/video.html
Yes!!!! I watch well listen as I weld and work hard,honestly to feed my kids all the time! Glad ur still working n busting ass to prove brushy bill n billy the kid are same dudes! Proud of u too man!!! Thank u.
Mr Hall,
Do you think you can send me copies of the affidavit/article on Harry Anthony? I'd like to research him more.
Jesus Christ Almighty God bless you all
E-mail me at brushybret@yahoo.com