Everything You Should Know About Grease, Oils And Cleaners | Bike Lube & Cleaning Products Explained
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- Knowing which cleaning products, oils, lubricants and brake fluids to use on your bike can be confusing! In this video, we take a detailed look at everything you need to know. We explain the basics, but also nerd out on specialist products for detailing. 🤓🤘 - ⏰ Time Stamps 👇
🔘 01:09 - Essentials for clean, protect and lubricating
🔘 07:22 - A deeper look at specialist products
🔘 08:46 - Greases & clamping compounds
🔘 15:12 - Suspension greases/Lube
🔘 16:45 - Suspension Oil
🔘 19:52 - Brake Oil - D.O.T & Mineral category braking fluid
🔘 24:24 - Thread Lock & Retaining compound and primer
🔘 26:37 - Polish and detailing
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What kind of collection do you have in the #BikeCave? Let us know 👇
Lets just say, a collection that's comprehensive enough that I even have DOT grease!!!😳😂
@GMBN TECH what Lube or Grease should you use? LMFAO well that depends on what you're into. C'on that was way too easy of a setup.
Huge tub of shell car grease lasts for 20 years
#ASKGMBNTECH....WHAT IF YOU USE DOWNHILL FORKS IN XC IS IT GOOD
#Askgmbntech can I use a toothbrush to clean my stanchions
Finally, they made this.
Glad you liked it!
They did pretty much the same video before except sponsored by WD-40.
good video@@gmbntech
You never mentioned what oil you use in your hair Doddy!
“Muc-Off Styling gel coming soon”
A demonstration for the use of these products, especially the more in depth ones would be great!
I just use a hose to clean of the mud, an then degrease the chain and when it’s dry lube it. And then back to mowing lawns
More trails more lawns...
@@dronalpes9705 everything to support your addiction...ekhm... I mean, passion?
ZawadaPL trails lawns trails lawns
Bob Longhorn 😂😂
to avoid confusion, I'll just buy everything Muc-Off makes.
Try Fenwicks bike cleaner. £10 gets you a litre that dilutes into 10 litres.
@@stolimano3723 Don't think they sell that in Canada. I'd have to look. My local shop does sell some Muc-Off products, however.
Alternative title: Directions unclear buying all muc off products.
So blatant it makes me question or not believe the advice provided. Why did I watch this?
@@scottward999 thanks for saving me 30 minutes.
I've never been this early to a video with lube before...
Love the Muc-Off gear, I would like to see you give a bike a good clean, how you apply your sprays etc. To a rag/micro fibre cloth first or spray on etc. You guys are legends, Thanks
But It`s really expensive.
The video we’ve all been waiting for
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Same
👍🏼very well said
as a poem...
I'm not first
and I'm not last
When GMBN Tech uploads
I hit that notification fast
Ain't that the truth... with you on that one
When it comes to torque settings you should always be dry fit torque readings unless otherwise stated by manufacturers, if you use lubrication where not required you may be over tightening due to lower resistance and risk damaging components.
You are generally supposed to grease threads, though, so I suspect that Doddy is correct here. I'd be curious to know how you know that though! Always want to be improving my mechanic skills.
@@evanbarnes9984 I watch a lot of engineering programmes especially The Workshop on CZcams, he waffles a lot but with his engineering background working in the British Army he knows his stuff.
Matt (The Workshop) did a basic example showing how much further a bolt goes when lubricated compared to dry and there is quite a difference.
On cars and Motorbikes unless otherwise stated the bolts are always dry fit torque settings and on average you should reduce torque by roughly 10% if lubrication is used on a dry fit torque setting.
Torque settings on push bikes are generally that low that dry or lubricated the torque will probably not matter too much but if items are under warranty I would always urr on the side of caution and use manufacturers recommendations.
I was thinking the same thing. I'm a auto mechanic and we were also told not to lubricate any threads unless specified in manual because it can cause over torque issues. I have actual seen lug nut studs break while torquing to spec because the studs had lubrication on the threads. I'm a little confused on this one. Maybe Doddy can shed some light on this.
@@evanbarnes9984 that's not true of almost any automotive situation. If you lube wheel studs or head studs, you could damage both. You could overtorque and blow up the headgasket, crack wheels, stretch the bolts past their elastic limit and cause them to fail. Not a situation you want for holding the engine together or holding wheels on the car.
Lookup videos and articles regarding putting antiseize on wheel studs/lug nuts.
@@alanfearnley6509 Not to mention the risk of bolts backing out due the having lubricated threads. I'm glad someone pointed that out as greasing bolts can absolutely have a negative impact on torqueing.
Just amazing, so much information!
Thank you very much!
*Great Video* So much useful information. Wow ! there are so many products out there
Outstanding presentation, great advice.
Thanks Doddy, really useful information!
I cannot tell you how useful this is...
Great to hear Ben!
Just got my first mountain bike ( hardtail) at the grand young age of 48 , having great fun with my 9 yr old boy Ollie on the trails 😊
It's never too late dude! Welcome to the sport! I got my dad on an eMTB last year. He was 70, had had some small strokes a couple years prior, and hadn't ridden for 15 years. Now I get to ride with him again! Some of my best memories from childhood are mountain biking with my dad. I thought that the last time I would get to ride with him was already 15 years in the past, but thankfully, I was wrong! You've done a great thing for your son and yourself.
Evan Barnes thank you mind you I nearly was part of a tree on Sunday thank god for brakes lol
That is what mountain biking is all about.....Great comment. My son is 9 and we get out and ride together. I even have him in a video or two...He had a gnarly crash on Turtle Trail
Excellent video! I'm amazed at the amount of knowledge you possess, Doddy! Sidenote, get the stache back!
This video is very helpful to me as I'm starting to learn how to maintain my bike. Really thankful to Doddy for sharing all the products that can be used. Cheers for the great video! 😄😄
Excellent video !
Iceman you are one my favourite presenters of all CZcams.
So this was the video where I had to use a notepad to write down the infos.
And realized Im well equipped ^^
Thanks GMBN Tech ^^
Very comprehensive. Well done!
Glad you liked it!
Not many videos get saved into my bike playlist. This video deserves its place. Cheers Dodd. 👍
My favourite tool for cleaning my bike in conjunction with your favourite cleaning product, is the Karcher SC3 All-in-One Steam Cleaner. You can blast all and any grease out of your chain, cassettes, frame, anywhere there is grease or oil residue. It uses steam which evaporates very quickly, leaving perfectly clean surfaces ready for re-greasing or oiling. I couldn't be without it
Very informative channel! Long time subscriber here. Keep it up!
Thanks Jason, will do!
Suspension/fork&shock oil what I've been googled 15 hours ago ,the answer is here ,thank you vry much
I love videos like these
great info
Really, really useful - another brilliantly practical video from GMBN
Thanks Chris 🙌 that's awesome to hear! We want to make videos for everybody. We feel yesterdays front mech video was just as important, as hopefully, it can help a lot of people out!
Great video doddy.you really go into great detail on what's needed.ive bought numerous items from your recommendations and will continue.i think it's safe to say we all trust your judgement.
Great video
This video saved my life...I mean bike... actually both🌟
Thanks a lot GMBN for making this video in right time. (For me) 😅
Brilliant. Thanks.
My racing machine is so happy with the yellow cleaner from muc-off, love it!)) Thanks for this useful tour! Definitely would be great to see some videos demonstrating proper ways to apply these things, with a focus on WHY should be used in each particular case
It's hella expensive tho. 20 bucks
Very nice, I’ve been waiting for that kind of presentation. Now that I’ve been to mountain biking. Can you please make a video on using those items. Thanks
Great Video!
Having dedicated products for all parts of the bike really makes a big difference and it´s worth the investment.
What absolutely isn´t worth investing in (in my opinion) is dry lubes. I´ve tried lots over the years and none works good enough to use over longer periods of time, the worst one I can remember is the red finish line stuff.
If you want a clean drivetrain, think of waxing the chain properly. My recent Corona-experiment proved to be way more successful than I initially thought and I am going to continue with the waxed chains until the winter. It works even in wet(ish) conditions and lasts longer than my wet lube.
And please use biodegradable products wherever possible! There are lots of really good options out there and dumping toxic waste in our forests is absolutely unnecessary.
Cheers!
Maxima Chain Wax on chain with WD40 for cleaning is by far the best combo I've tried (same for MX). Maxima Waterproof grease is the best I've used for hubs, linkages etc.
Recently got in to waxing my chain, that is a thorough cleaning and immerse in molten wax and Teflon (PTFE) it's working so far!
@@RealMTBAddict it really is much better when done properly. That means hours of getting the factory grease out. After that though, a simple rinse in boiling water and back in the molten wax every 250km or so. 👍
Love the vids
Wow! Very thorough and much appreciated! Sub’d
Hi Jason, Glad you loved the video. Thank you for subscribing! 👍
Mucoff stuff is best stuff I ever used I always get compliments how new my bike looks
I like this guy style
Great video. I would love to see a best practice on how to use SRAM butter. I've searched around on CZcams and not many if any videos that show how to apply it.
Finally!!! I have been waiting for this video long time ago.... 😎
#AskGmbnTech, how often to service the bike?? Could you do a chart on this depending on the different components to give maintenance???
I feel like I am spending as much time working on my as I do riding it. Then, I try to make riding videos with the rest of my time....
I recently bought a five years old mtb second hand. It has a few tiny SCRATCHES on the matt outer layer and one quite deep one under the painting of the frame. Is the miracle shine something to consider to make those a little more out of sight? I really enjoy your content! Thanks for your great work!
My bike lube and cleaning products consist of gt85, muc offs dry lube, Lucas red n tacky and 9670 montage cleaner. The cleaner is designed as a brake and component cleaner. I use it with a wet towel on the frame and spray directly onto the brakes every now and then and wipe down. Once clean i spay gt85 onto a towel and give everything but the brakes, seat and grips a protective shine. Also good for derailleur springs and hinges. The lucas grease is for bolt threads hub bearings and headsets. And finally the the dry lube is obviously for the chain. i find these products very economical and simplifies the products you need. win win in my opinion!
Hi, great video, much needed, and very well clarified, would you recommend using GT-85 as lube on the chain and derailuers?
Can you do a video on replacing bearings on a full sus mtb with the appropriate grease/compounds? Cheers!
There’s something in muc off products that always makes me wonder what they would taste like 🤔 .Fenwicks foaming chain cleaner is the boss of chain cleaners
Any tips for titanium frames (apart from the copper compound)? Great content; keep it coming...
I think you should look into wax lube a little bit more. I've heard you mention it not staying clean enough for mountain bike conditions, and this may have been true back in the day, but wax based lubes have come a long way. I use squirt and silca super secret and put a ton of mountain bike miles on my drivetrain in various conditions. Most of my chains show very little to no wear after over 1000 miles, and I am blown away by how clean my drivetrain stays. I think it is a great alternative to dry lube, since I was wearing out chains so quickly when I was using these products.
I use calcium-lithium grease and it works like a dream and also lasts much longer than that teflon one
What is your absolute favorite grease for the headset bearings ?
Thanks for great content.
Would you be able to do a video of you doing all the stuff that you’ve explained in this video and overall how to clean your bike and look after your gears
Thanks
13:47 It's probably worth noting that carbon assembly compounds with granules can potentially scratch up the finish on, for example, your saddle post if you keep moving and twisting it. There are assembly compounds without granules so you may want to get one of those if you're worried about that.
Any ideas on brands, as yes, the gritty ones do scratch
Great video, thanks. Having recently suffered an issue with an E-bike where dirt had got into the electrical connections of the battery I wonder if you could advise what is best to use there. I use Electrical Contact Cleaner to clean but not sure if I should use any grease afterwards and if so what type of grease. Some forums have said Conductive grease, others say Dielectric grease, some people even advise vaseline, it's not that clear. Thanks
#GMBNTech I SWEAR by the Muck-Off bike cleaner and Bike Protect. It’s basically liquid gold. I use it once a week. Original bearings and pivots. The price of specific Muck-Off bike products is well worth the cost. Your bike will love you back!
Great presentation!!! Can I use acetone to clean disc breaks?
Ok, now a more in depth question about grease, bolts and torque:
Are those recommendet torques defined for dry threads or greased threads by the component manufacturers?
In normal mechanical engineering and more pronounced in automotive you never grease a bolt because the torque spec is defined on dry threads.
Also you can never overtorque them if you use a torque wrench even when greased cause thats what a torque wrench is doing - limiting the torque. Though you can overstress the connection when the threads are greased.
Torque in particualr is not what you want but its a workaround - because you can measure and define it more easy. Whats is really desired is the preload of hte connection.
So in my mind it's even worse to recommend people to grease their threads and the torque them to spec.
Great video Doddy thank you have heard of something called ACF/50 in spray and grease formats any good??
finally, something that explains my BB creak in a way I can understand. seems the people who assembled my bike either skipped that step or did so poorly...
I had a creak and the shops were never able to fix it. They took the BB and the suspension apart multiple times before I ended up getting a new frame....Finding a good Bike Shop is priceless
The Best Cleaner for me so Far is F100 because last time my coworker got his finger in the Disc Brace by setting it up, it was the most efficent use the get away the blood of the floor =)
You need to give Fin Super a try by Interflon UK!
I actually bought the muc off grease because I've seen it in all your videos, it seems to lubricate fine, but that smell stayed in my bike cave for weeks after I used it and I actually started to really not like the smell after a while and now I can't use that stuff anymore :D
@Animagus Borealis Just checked and it only says "don't eat me" ;)
Hats off,gmbn,doing a great job.I have an old bike with sram x4 shifters,I didn't know how to lube it and eventually spotted a small slot in its side,can you please tell me if that is the lube ports
what grease would you recommend for the actual inside of a bearing? i have some general bearing/fine-mechanics grease, but the package doesn't say anything about ingredients or compatibility with carbon 🤷🏻♀️
Hi great video!
So Park Tool HPG-1 is Carbon friendly? I thought it wasn’t but I cannot find we’re I read that...
Thanks 😊
Hi Doddy,probably a stupid question but is M094 bad for your brakes or not? Thank you love all the videos
Doddy, you simply dont have to "glue" the bearings to the frame if all manufacturers bring back the old and trustworthy threaded bb.
Like, common, other than racebikes and professional athletes, no one cares about 5% more stiffness, people just want a reliable, effective and hassle free system. Nothing was wrong with threaded in first place, is just a way of simplified manufacturing processes, cutting costs as much as possible.
You know very well doddy, press fit to work well, the shell must be manufactured to the highest level of precision, and that doesn't happen with mass production frames.
I just use lhm oil on brakes and engine oil in the forks. I tried wpl forkboost, but silicon spray is cheaper and works a lot better for reduced friction. For chain i use wet or dry lube and for cleaning off grease and grime just alcohol. For bearings i just use a general purpose grease (compatible with bearings and other steel parts).
Slickoleum as suspension butter, same stuff as special suspension grease but a lot cheaper.
I've seen Muc Off take the black anodising off in some cases, be careful where you use it, how concentrated it is and how long you leave it on before rinsing off.
Hi Doddy, I thought that it would be a cool and really helpful video if you did a calendar of how often and frequently we should be doing certain maintenance jobs (bleeds, air can, lower leg, bearings, hubs, bottom brackets etc).
I think it really depends on how often and where you ride. I live in Southern Orange County where it is dusty and dry. I try not to wash my bike too often because I don't want to turn the dust into mud where I can't reach it. Others ride here and are crossing creeks every ride. Their bikes are getting wet and need more frequent washings. After 1000s of miles I am learning that many MTBers are always adjusting/cleaning and replacing things based on how their bikes are reacting. I think I may acquire this skill after about another 10,000-100,000 trail miles....maybe...
Washing up liquid is the best for degeasing chain, in a bucket of hot water does a great job
What would you use on the SEAT POST? Mine is matt and made out of aluminium. I want to preserve the area where the clamp attaches. Grease beneath the clamp? MO94 on the post? Matt finish? Sth else? Thanks for input!
Assuming dot 4 is the same as other brake fluids in cars keep it away from paint, as it destroys paint. And when it's old and no longer good for brakes, it's great as a penetrating fluid for rusty bolts.
Great video but if I spray silicone on my front suspension won’t it attract dirt I think it’s a 50,50 decision or can you convince me ?
I use muc off products for my bike. But being a mere mortal I buy it. Thankfully they are starting to be even more green by now providing top up bottles which if you shop around can get some cracking deals. Also Doddy you the man who else can make talking about grease and lube just for mtbs. And not Ann Summers 😂
I use dooka wash si automotive shampoo on my bike, best I have found so far, blows muck off junk out of the water, it is a pure shampoo with no added waxes r gloss enhancers etc.
Road grime on a bike is the same as on a car, just not quite as much bar mud mind :).
My frames have invishield installed and coated with either Gtechniq or Gyeon PPF coatings.
I used Muc-Off bike cleaner, it took some of the paint fade on my front fork. I contacted Muc-Off and they were great and offered another wax product that brought the paint back after 4 coats, but I went back to the traditional dish soap and never had a problem.
That's a W
I have found from my own experience that to clean a chain, Don't use a spray on chain cleaner. Yes its dissolves grease (up to a point!) and Yes, its water soluble (up to a point) but I have found that most of the time you're just replacing one greasy substance for another without removing what it was put there for in the first place!. Others are so harsh it makes you wonder if it's too aggressive! one proprietary brand that everyone else swears by left my chain looking worse than if I'd left it alone and that was after rinsing off!
So what do I use? Parafin! (Kerosene for our american friends). its cheap, it dissolves oil, grease and grime, and dries off easily to leave a grease free clean surface and is re-usable, even if it looks black and dirty it will still clean. The only thing I would say is to observe fire precautions as it is flamable but not as bad as some! You also should wear gloves and use in a well ventilated area.
I’ve been using paraffin on my motorcycles for years, it really is the best stuff for the job. I’m pretty new to mtb, I’ve only used paraffin on my GT once or twice with no issues but I was a bit worried that I would wreck something. I assume you’ve been doing it for a while, so I’m pleased to hear it recommended. I did ask GMBN tech if this was ok but I think that their muc-off sponsorship would prevent them from acknowledging this.
@@deltanovember2296 yeah they have to tow the corperate line for their funding. Any seal that is designed to be impervious to oil will stand up to parafin and so will any decent paint job!
roythearcher cheers, I’ll stick with it then. You can’t really blame them, I don’t think that CZcams channels make all that much anymore so they have to take sponsorship.
I have just looked on the Absolute Black website and they have a Graphenlube Wax Lubricant. What do you think of this lube?
RockShox use LM400 military grease in the factory when assembling forks/air springs etc... way better value than butter, and lasts longer, but slightly less slick feeling.
#GCNTech #AskGCNTech #GCN #GTN please make something like this for road and triathlon
Had some automotive ceramic coating laying around (cquartz UK 2.0). I put it on my bike as an experiment. It adds a ton of gloss and water just slide off the bike
Now I wash the bike with just water and it's good as new... Not sure about long term though
So pretty much all threaded bolts you guys typically apply grease? Exceptions being brake rotor bolts ans caliper bolts where locktite is applied?
Question....what does the ‘Stella’ in the background lubricate ?
Dotty I have a question
That tiny little vial of muc-off clear fork lube where did you get it I cannot find any
I do come across the muck off silicone spray but that's not what I need for the outside of the fork
So I can keep it just a little bit smoother without adding Gunk to collect
Any tips for clean an ebike? Im afraid to get water outside motor. Pls give me an advise
Thank you
Hi please give me some tips and suggestions. Am Planning Buying Bike But Am Ride On Road But My House Yard Is Sandy, And Rocky and If Rain Can Transform Into Muddy So Which One Of Kind Lube I Should Use It? Wet or Dry Or Multipurpose
Still waiting for muc off suspension lube to become a final product. Love muc off!!
"Silicon Shine Spray not only leaves your bike looking factory fresh, but it also acts as an amazing friction reducer for suspension parts and reduces dirt adhesion"
Perhaps that's what you are looking for?
@@Iwvclvz got that product bud. Just generally interested in the secret product to come to final stage and be released to test out
what kind of bash guard is that? is there a preferable one for a 21' stumpy?
Was chain in petrol or diesel the wipe and boil in putoline hard grease i have been doing this for years in motocross and mtb and it gets into the chain rollers where it needs to be, sprays are ok but boiling the chain 100%.
Do need use that silicone shine with dropper post?
Can I use a Teflon grease as a general-use grease if I have an aluminum bike? (Trek Remedy 8)
SRAM butter = slickoleum = slick honey . Also spec'd for RaceFace and Easton free hubs.
Motorex Bike grease 2000 great stuff, lovely fluoro yellow, but hard to find in uk tho -try motorbike shops. VERY water resistant, carbon safe. Believe its what the shimano flouro grease is (not 100% on that), but way cheaper!
exactly + Canyon use it on their bikes.
#gmbn tech I have a 24 speed mtb, which I'm looking at changing to a single 12 speed, is this possible with shimano gear
SO do i use grease and locktite on bolts? Thanks in advance
Can you use copper paste in place of grease for bolts
Literally just purchased a Canyon bike and was hoping for this video so I can stock up!