Ice Induced Stall Pilot Training
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- čas přidán 28. 09. 2016
- This training aid is intended to help pilots understand the phenomenon of tailplane and wing stall while flying in icing conditions. The training also explains icing certification rules. And it recommends cockpit procedures to mitigate ice induced stall in order to maintain controlled flight during unexpected icing encounters.
Much has occurred since NASA's original 1998 ice contaminated tailplane stall video. This film updates that training. Specifically addressing the reality that for the past 30 years most icing accidents were caused by wing stall versus tail stall. The FAA wants to make pilots aware that vigilance is necessary to avoid the low-speed stall accidents that occur in icing, especially with the autopilot engaged.
The information in this training video supersedes, supplants, and replaces the instruction in all previous NASA tail stall icing training videos. - Věda a technologie
I came here because I was flying in the new Flight Simulator last night and was like, "hmmm...I wonder..."
I always fly in full realism, everything on, everything "real", everything. Weather, no AI assistance, etc. So I wondered how accurate the icing behavior was. I picked a plane I knew didn't have a de-icing system and took off in Cincinnati...I knew it was snowing there because my parents live there and my dad sent me pics. lol
I was flying along for quite a while when I noticed EXACTLY what he described in this video...decreasing airspeed, a weird kinda...like...shudder, then a surprisingly ubrupt left wing stall. I managed to regain control and descend but it was pretty amazing how accurate the "game" was compared to things I've seen in videos like this.
Now, admittedly, I couldn't see ANYTHING out of ANY of the windows and would have descended or turned back LONG before that happened...but it was really cool to see. If you have MSFS2020, give it a shot.
Thank you for sharing this great training video for free. I know you doing it in the name of safety (and thus in your own interest of reputation in the long run), but it is also a valuable resource for pilots outside of the USA. Sharing this to literally the world is so valuable.
Pretty good video. Thanks to all who put this together!
Cool production, well produced!
Really good video!
Having flown quite a few different types small planes often in IMC and often in ice, there is a serious difference in behavior from one model to another. Some planes handle ice well, other begin flying like a brick.
Some planes with boots are pretty tame, others not so much.......
This is why you need to be paying extra attention especially if you're not familiar with a particular aircrafts behavior in ice.
Hey, that's the Lowe's tutorial guy ;-)
Thanks for this excellent training video to enhance safety. Great job by all.
At 21:20 discussing pre-flight planning and climb performance, minimum vectoring altitude is mentioned. Remember that while ATC has that information, MVA is not published or available to pilots. (ie. not relevant for pre-flight planning).
Thank you so much for the video
Makes you wonder if the pilot of the colgan air crash thought he had a tail plane stall
Súper good !
Anti-ice clears ice where the anti-ice system heats or flexes the surface. (within the capability of the equipment)
There is a LOT of surface that has no means of forcing the ice to shed. Ice = weight and drag and disrupted airflow.
I'd ask for different altitude if the plane is cycling accumulating and shedding ice on the prop.... That is a big sign you need to get somewhere colder or warmer.
According to NTSB Report, Colgan Air Crash 3407 pilots viewed the prior (outdated by this video) NASA Tailplane stall video (made in approx 1999, not sure) several months prior to crash in 2009 . In other words, it was fresh in the mind of both pilots. That video is still available on youtube (approx 23 minutes in length).
After watching that older NASA video, I feel that the pilots in 3407 crash might have mistaken stick shaker, (AP altitude hold at 2300') wing stall for a tailplane stall. It explains why the pilot pulled back on yoke and pitched up instead of pushing forward in normal wing stall stick shaker. Watch the older NASA video yourself and decide. I wonder how many regional pilots turn off AP on approach in icing conditions and check for control surface performance.? Commercial pilots have become overly dependent on AP.
Had a boot fail on a 414 and we had a partial tail stall the pitching moment was violent
The daytime soap acting is cringeworthy but the information is good.
Reminds me of Adam West and Burt Ward for some reason!
The one guy must be a huge fan of William Shatner.
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It's a government production. Just be happy the video played!
The PIC actor asks off camera how wearing boots could help.
Funny
Reckon this is what happened to Sala's plane recently
"Denver center, picked up enough ice for 7 eleven, descending to FL10"...
All thanks to NASA
Finally, the NASA tail stall video is laid to rest.
I agree. See my comment above about the older NASA video. Only took 7 years after Colgan Air 3407.
13:54 what's the song
Noting a loss of ias incruise with same power settings and level flight might be a wake up call to non comatose pilots The auto pilot masks these things until you find yourself upside down
Keep Michael Scott out of the first officer position next time...
Why would they not put this critical information in the AFM?
holy bad acting batman
Air Disaster: Episode- Murder in the sky
Is it possible for AI to recognize when a murder / suicide has happened in the cockpit and automatically takeover the plane to land it safely? Maybe an FAA official could send a signal to plane to turn the computer on to takeover the plane?