Get the most power from your HDR 50
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- čas přidán 13. 01. 2022
- In this video, I fit a powerkit 50 and tuning barrel to a 7.5joule HDR.50
Powerkit 50 here: en.homedefence-24.com/Collect...
Tuning barrel here: en.homedefence-24.com/Collect...
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It's making good power with these upgrades.
Ah I thought that All guns are banned
@@DanielBrosman08211986 band where in good old England 🤣🤣🤣🤣😄😄
How many shots per co2 cartridge are you getting now with all of these mods in place?
@@samfletcher93 Normaly goes back to 7.5 joule after 5-7 clips, so 5-7x6
@samfletcher8864 with the +20J modification, which is the kit, shoot 12 rounds at stable power without power reduction, with 11Jb18 rounds, well, it would be 14 with the +20J and 20 rounds with the 11J from then on each shot loses, but the normal thing is to adjust to full drum 3 drums at 11J n2 Drum to +20J
3 simple tips learned about 60 years ago. Work on a soft white cloth (keeps parts from rolling away), fold cloth over work piece if danger of springs flying about, never try to catch a small screw / part - you may knock it far away - just watch where it goes.
I have actual gun cloths so there all yellowish brown but I agree with everything you said
Wow I’m about to do this upgrade thanks for the advice!
I was taught that from experience lol
but in Swiss the normal version has 11 joule, no need for that??
Lol very 👍 nice!
Thanks very much for taking the trouble to break down the results for the different stages,very informative.
Good steady upgrade Ben - not something that should be rushed with all those 'lively' springs involved 🤣🤣 nice result. Thanks for taking the time to film it all, I know it takes much, much longer than the end video length to produce this 😉💥
Thanks for the video! After an accident I am at home the next time and so I decidet to buy a HDR50 and a power kit, the tuning barrel arrives the next days and than I ll install the parts. Your video was the last I want to know before to start the job. Specially to left the pin which is glued was in my thoughts the biggest problem, a burner could be an option 👍 I hope everything will work fine and than I ll have some fun with the gun and maybe for homedefense too 😉
*Congratulations friend, thanks for the video. Here in BRAZIL we are forced to go through endless bureaucracy to have a firearm to protect ourselves and we are resorting to this type of "weapons" but I am happy that there is the possibility of improving it.*
In Germany its the same😢❤
Amigo, conseguiu importar a devastator?
Nossos governantes nos odeiam.
First of all, I really want to thank you for putting this video up. 1 point of difference though, I think the firing pin should be secured with threadLocker. There is a tremendous amount of force on those threads, and they will loosen over time and potentially become damaged from the vibrations. Not using thread locker will risk the long-term integrity of the part.
In regards to HDR .50 power upgrades this is the most valuable/helpful video on CZcams. You should edit the title to include "valve removal" because it took me a long time to find this video (among all that I have downloaded) to remember which one talked us through "removing the valve block."
Keep manning your post and providing this most valuable service. Michael in San Francisco.
You boast because you think you live somewhere cool.
Don't you, Mister San Fran Temazipan man.
Well, gargle my gherkin, I'm from L.A.... Little Altcar., Merseyside .
Look where you leap, mate.....
@@godsrighthandfull well I'm from Horseshoe Bend, so la di da! 🤪
@@vimanaboy im from Tewkesbury so boo yaaa
Hi, thank you for posting the video, I’m struggling with getting the screws out, there quite small and the screws can easily round off when I try to get them out, any thoughts on what screwdriver works well?
By far the best tutorial on the 7.5 J upgrade! Thanks!!
Hey, can i ask you where you got your upgrade kit?
@@narayankirk2036it’s from home defense 24 bro it’s a German website i think
Damn it looks so easy when you do it. I've done stuff like this before. But the springs makes me paranoid. Great video and informative!
This reminds me of raking my first remote control car apart. The more you watch the more you think he will not get this back together!
Nice job, thanks. I'm late to this new game. I had wish that you'd have kept using the smaller weight ammo so a metric was established with only the upgrade being different.
I should have watched this video till the very end! I bought the tuning barrel without watching any videos on it., I have a HDR.50. The tuning barrel I received was for HDP.50 ...Company mistake but the Pistol barrel and the revolver barrel are very different. But the pistol barrel will work if played with in the revolver!
Only thing left now is to upgrade to an aluminium trommel.
Another 3-5 joules as an estimation of gain. And, a squirt of the ole sillycoonspray never hurts lol.
Good video Andy, and your right about that little trigger spring, they don't half fly. Lost mine during the 'fettling' and came up with a novel solution. Metal guitar string, wound into a spring shape, works a treat.
what gauge please?
@@jimithesaintkl hello Jimi, if i recall correctly it was either the bottom e or the one above it.
Took a few goes to get it right length,and try using a drill bit to wind the coil. I think it has made the action a little smoother. 36/46 gauge.
@@danceswithbadgers4024 I bet those shots really sing! lol
When I started pistol shooting in 1979, 50 rounds of factory 0.45 ACP was £20. That was a weeks wages, I quickly learned to cast my own heads and reload ammunition. HDR 50 is not expensive.
Hi Dog. Nicely done. What I find very very good is to keep the stock barrel and buy chrome steel balls 12.7mm 8.3g. But you need to tune the magazines. The power is brill. And because the stock barrel is just right for the balls, great accuracy at 10-15 yards. If you like a certain ammo, tune the magazine chambers to that ammo. It makes a hell of a difference. And save £100. So "Heavy Metal" not different size "grippy plastic/silicon". Can send you an example.
Hey Jeff, what do you mean by tune the magazine?
Many thanks
@@bucks09 Hi mate. Just make a sandpaper cigar and lightly sandpaper the chambers so that the balls feed in from the front. Just a light press fit. Snugg not tight. Enjoy.
@@jeffsmith50001 understood. Thanks Jeff👌
Its 500 for 30 quid ish. sorry. Still good.
Sinceramente un gran trabajo muchas gracias amigo, ahí va una cerveza.
Great video with lots of info. Thanks.
just an idea, when you pull the metal parts apart, you could do it inside a bag, just so you dont have springs flying all over. -i have done so when modifying airsoft guns.
liked you video, cheers mate :)
Nice information, nice power too, thanks!😁✌️
You a genius sir,great video
Nice video Ben. In warmer weather you will get closer to 30 joule 😃
Great video mate thanks👍
Thanks buddy! Good info! You could now put a HPA adapter on and use a 13c tank! I bet the joules would increase a lot more! And wouldn’t be affected by weather conditions.
In an upcoming video, I have the adapter and bottle, so will give it a go.
Yes HDR50/TR50 can go "beyond multiverse" with hpa. Extremely powerful with hpa. Not only that, much cheaper to shoot with hpa and hand pump.
Really useful video..of course be interesting to know the difference just the tuning barrel makes on its own in the 7,5 joule..if you get the time lol ..great vid!
'Rune Rebel' on CZcams, doing grate videos like this 'mad dog' 😉
Check him out 😎
What's the fps conversion?
I was looking at the 11 Jules version would this kit work on that? Giving it even more power?
great vid MDA
thanx and hi from France
Which direcetion do i put the restricter back in? is it in the handle? but what direction?
Did you do any more upgrades on these ? So you’re saying buy the 7 jule one is stronger than the 11 jule even if they both been modified?
Would you be able to tell us the specific tools we need I had the HDR 50 turn up today and ordering power kit Friday but need the right tools
The problem I'm having when I tighten my barrel extension all the way even very lightly the magazine spins I have to losen the barrel extension or remove it you had this problem what can I do
Great Video Sir.
Where to get replacement springs or spring kit if lost springs?
So just removing the valve block on the 11 Joules version would probably make some difference but Awsome Video and I see the difference with the tuning barrel
Great vid bro
CHEERS fr Monterey
Cal..
Is it possible (I'm assuming it is) to do only the tuning barrel change and still get a power increase without doing the power kit change?
Damn near like rebuilding a 21 Jewel watch!
Anyone know if there’s a place in the U.K. where you can get these upgrades. Or even another place, as the links are sold out.
That thing is kicking ass
thank you for clearfyinng if i had the 11 jl version do i need the cap
Great vid thank you
Hi😀 a video reminder for new owners😎 of the very popular Hdr50💪
Can you put an extender on an 11 joules to increase output?
Decent performance increase. But not really enough. Was expecting more with the barrel extension. I think the HDP shoots a bit hotter.
Would just fitting the tuning barrel alone make any difference to the power.
well produced. thanks. what about the torpedo by mercury rise? is it any good? are there kits for it?
much to learn, and don't know where the discussions take place. any advice from anyone who can refer me.
So actually if in your country both the 7.5 and the 11 versions are available is better u buy straight away the 11 version? Or the 11version stock will give like 7 joules power? Because the 7.5v gave like 3 jouls? Complicated 😞
Great background music picked up !!!! (A la Orilla del Mar By Tanel Sra )
I remember my dad buying me all kinds of mechanical toys ( electric cars, trains etc. ) and after a few days he would find them in pieces and question me, what happened to the toys? My response would always be, " I got tired of playing with them and so I decided to take them apart to see what made them work ".
me too
Wouldn't it make sense to do a Carbine conversion with a longer barrel , maybe a foregrip or stock?
Secondo te riesco a togliere il blocco solo smontando la scocca e valvola per poi tirarlo fuori con delle pinze a becco??! grazie
Love this
Thank you for this test Mad dog. Much appreciated. Is there some way you could diesel the ammo such as add vaseline to diabolo type of ammo like devastators?
Would be very interesting to se if you get any effect and if so, by how much.
Not sure it will work, I plan to give it a go at some point.
I’m getting 18.7 j from the HDR with steel/rubber balls available online.
Can a 50 be modded to be more powerful than a modded 68?
It’s not as easy to get the thread lock off tho is it
so i working foot pounds as live in the states now. thats like 4 foot pounds of energy from a projectile the weight of a 22LR ?
Thanks.
Is it normal for a new hdr50 20 joules, to have a little burnt smell where co2 is at after shooting it?
I started using Elite force silicone spray after the first 8 magazines
I've only shot about 100 rounds so far. I'm hoping it just needs to be broken in.
Appreciate any advice
I've never experienced a burning smell from mine, I use Sonax silicone spray and never had a problem.
Try and keep everything in the frame as it makes it easier to follow what you are doing 🙂
wow great tips. in this way is more power than a cal 22
Will it not do the same job just drilling the hole in the export valve bigger. Also I would like to know can the gun as standard shoot ball bearings or must u modify something.
I'm sure in standard form the gun will fire whatever you can fit in it, the heavier the projectile the more power you will need to get it up to speed. As for drilling the export valve, I have also done that mod, there is a video of that with the results.
could you mod a brodax ,Too get more velocity sir.
Howmany 12 jul = fps?
You need a Vice, my friend! even just a small one from Amazon, its not a man shop until you have a vice! Good job, I am going to do mine next thanks for showing everyone
I do have a vice, just waiting to sort my workbench out, the materials of which are being used as a platform for building the block wall at the back of the garage.
Why is the little gas upside down?
Somebody know any powerkit for the Glock 17 Gen5?
While it was apart I would have removed the trigger assembly and polished and lubed all the metal to metal surfaces.
Great video content- keep it up! Hey what exact ammo were you using both them if you don't mind. Ive got the same thing fully done... Love to hear the comparison.... Thanks brother!
Sorry I missed it where you said the ammo 😢😅😂
Great video subscribed thanks for sharing
what does the tuning barrel do? how much boost or performance gain does it give please?
It is made from steel and I think has a tighter fit to the ammo, plus you can fit an extension which will give you more power. Check out my videos in this playlist for the mods that I have done. czcams.com/play/PLka6oTXpGPRZkwA6VhO4NyQea3ruz-2lT.html
Ben, did you replace the co2 for each test? Great video mate. Im uk based so mine standard but it's great fun.
Yes, I put fresh CO2 in each time.
I think hdr 50 has 7.5 joule why your gun have only 4joule?
What you said about 7 joule UK version getting more gains than 11 joule version ? That doesn’t make any sense to me ? I’m in France and I can get the 11 Joule version, I’m contemplating the cal 68 version or this 50 cal version ? Which should I go for? Can you explain why a 7 joule version would get more power? I’d like to tune to around 40 J
That was the common myth at the time of recording, apparently the chamber inside the 7.5 joule version was slightly larger. I too am in France and my first HDR.50 was an 11 joule version, just managed to get 75 joules (I have a license) out of it using HPA. My HDR.68 (16 joule version) was hitting about 27-30 joules out of the box. A lot depends on what you want, the 68 is a big gun.
Is your velocity in feet per second? If so it's only making 1.35 ft/lb which is well below the 6 ft/lb we're allowed in the UK.
If I have it set to read joules, it's metres per second.
Can the kit and barrel be used on the 68 cal also? If so is the process the same?
Yes, you can get the same kit for HDR68, and fitting it is exactly the same.
ok I did all this but, I'm having a problem with my hdr 50. It's not firing properly the CO2 is in and the pin for the air gauge is popped out. When I pull the trigger it's like I'm firing without air, the ammunition cartridge is turning each time I pull the trigger but it is without the CO2 pressure. Can anyone tell me where to start looking to fix this problem? Thank you in advance
just guessing here, but i would approach this in reverse, take a look from the barrel, through the mechanics, all the way back to the co2 cartridge.
i.e. you know there is a connection from the co2, the pressure is building up, you have the red "pressure warning stick" popping out, so the problem lies beyond there.
so why it doesnt release the gas when triggered? i cant say, but search in reverse, maybe something with the "restrictor" part
A slight sugestion. Here at Ramstein AFB we use Tetra Gun (not an endorsement, I just have some at hand) fluoropolyner grease and with your thump if you evenly coat the sliding surfaces of the barrel and action (not the trigger assembly) evenly and lightly not only will your TDR50 cycle like velvet but you may obtain an additional 0.5~1.0 joules and a few extra MPS average velocity due to the extra gas sealing. Don't worry about cold thickening as this grease has a working range of -73°C to 398°C (-100°F to 750°F). Any fluoropolymer of this type will do with the same temperature range and thickness and they also work great on pew-pew and real steel slides also. Use less thick lubricants on finer areas as these greases tend not to migrate into tight areas. With new guns if Glock copper factory grease is used first for about 500 rounds then the other with standard use any wear in the future will be very minimal.
But beware, Glock Copper makes a horrible mess so use it very sparingly. Unless of course you want everything around you to be copper colored.
We do this with both our pew-pew's and real steel's at Ramstein-Meisenbach AFB and rarely if ever have we had a seizure due to wear. Lack of lube is a different matter.
And always remember! "Once the bullet leaves the barrel there's no calling it back!".
👉🤪💨
To the Honor of my Ancestors,
Capt. Tamre' Colby USAFE/NATO CAS/AS
Thank you for the advice Capt. Tamre'.... Btw your flying skills are quite extraordinary!
@@slaughterx8934
Sure, I'm already gone. I'm in Norway now. Are you happy you boneheaded twit? Look you Ruskie troll, quit attacking other nations and there wouldn't be a need for NATO. You want NATO to leave you alone then you leave the world alone. You pathetic little Putin puppet.
@@onazram1
Thanks f marz! It's always a pleasure to have someone's compliment. I just hope I haven't lost the Edge when I get home. LOL!
Ta! Ta!
Tamre'
(Edit: Ouch! That was a bad joke, I fly an Edge 540, sorry... 🤪👍)
umarex recommends to put 1 drop of RWS silicone oil on the tip of every co2 canister... RWS silicone oil is very expensive, can I use something alternative, what is your opinion of this
Looking back I see my statement was rather vague. What I meant was, can I use alternative brands of silicone oil or must it be only umarex brand RWS for umarex t4e, is RWS simply a marketing gimmick?
Wait so can I remove air restrictor on 11j with powerkit pin and stock valve?
Yes.
It sucks that we can't get tuning barrels in Greece. But what are they other than an extra cm. of threads? A smoother bore? A snugger bore that saves on leakage?
The tuning barrel is made of steel, so harder wearing. It is also a snug fit for some ammo, making as you say less leakage of the co2.
@@Maddogairguns Thank you. Since that's the case, it shouldn't be hard to have one machined at any shop. Come to think of it, it'll probably be cheaper too, eliminating shipping costs.
Can you buy pepper balls for these
Ohhhhh it's a co2 pistol. I thought it was an actual fire arm for a second
I went on this home defense 24 looks like they only got upgraded for the 11j version when I have the 7.5j. Also why dose it only shoot like 4j on the first test if it says 7.5j by the manufacture.
Your never going to get what the manufacturer claim straight away. Here is the 7.5joule powerkit: en.homedefence-24.com/Collections/hdr-51/Products/powerkit-50-for-hdr50-export-valve-maximum-power-7-5j-16j?variant=32178585501814
I got the kit. I have the seven J version but it already has the 11 J valve in it. Should I use the seven J Valve to get maximum pressure?
Don't think it makes much difference which one you have. In the early days of tuning this gun, there was talk that the 7.5joule version gave more power when modded, but think that has now been proved wrong.
@@Maddogairguns Awesome! Thanks for the fast reply. I love your channel
Hi great video as always. I would like to know if the link you have provided includes extension barrel. Thanks
I think there is an option for the extended barrel on that link, drop them a message on their site, Florian is very helpful.
Thanks for the videos I see how expensive it is to shot this ammo but I do reuse them and shot at target that does not damage the ammo. Why not try this?
me 2, i also use them again if not damaged. but the main use of this gun, is not to target shoot for fun, but defense, so the cost of ammo is not a factor imo. cheers :)
hi great video this .is it possible to increase the power on the 11 im in spain so its legal cheers and thank you
Yes you can mod both versions, 7.5 and the 11 joule.
Is the new barrel rifled, or is it a smooth bore?
Smooth bore.
got mine, chuffed with it ???
Hi. Any one have an idea which would be better? A hdr50 7.5 joules that has been modified or hdr68 unmodded? Thanks
I would say a modded 50, although my bog standard HDR68 was putting out 27-30 joules with the right ammo.
@@Maddogairguns Thanks. I’m going to get the hdr50 11 joules and upgrade it later
I have this gun , 7 joules with an f on the side of the barrel ….can I use this tuning kit . Thanks
Yes, just make sure you order the tuning kit for the 7.5joule.
U can get 11 joule version in uk and is easily modded for those wondering
I need one of these
Hello again I have a ? Ok I bought the 7.5 version and literally followed your video step by step and I came across a little issue I bought a power up kit! and the part you have to push in the handle was to small and the valve that came with the kit was larger than the one I heated up and was going to change but you said use the smaller one so I just used the one it came with . And the part in the handle I had to rap a small PC of tape around and it was able to push in. Any ideas??? I almost think it was a 11 joule version and they just removed the PC in the CO2 chamber.
Be careful, the power kit is only intended for the older, first generation, of the HDR ! If you have a second generation gun, this might explain some troubles, not saying incompatibility…
@@Crottedenez1000 I don't know if it's the first version or not however it's the 7.5 and I got the power kit for the 7.5 and the tunning barrel and it's working flawless. I don't know how to tell if it's first gen or 2nd I just followed the instructions mad dog gave me and it has a lot of power thanks for your help I do appreciate it. Thanks Spoonman.
Let me ask u how to tell 1st & 2nd generation from one another?
@@kevinspoonrc9372 Hello Spoonman ! I'm glad it worked out well for you ! Do you maybe have a chrony and perhaps mesured the before and after power difference ?
I did also order a tuning kit but had not the time to make the change already.
Since you were able to install the pin in yours, you must have the 1st generation...
One can see the difference when removing the magazine and looking at the "Firing"pin :
1st generations have it in chrome colour, 2nd generations ones are black...
Best regards and always stay safe !
(sorry for my bad Englisch !)
Sorry no crono however I got the power kit and installed it the difference Is very noticeable then I installed the upgraded barrel and it was noticable but then I ordered from MCS modern combat sports the 90g CO2 adapters and a what a hell of a difference "POWER" i won't be doing anymore upgrades it now has more than enough power. The MCS adapter's come with a open and close valve so you can save your CO2 and change it to a different gun with adapter it'll cost about $70 and now able to shoot more than 15 cylinders you don't have to change 12g CO2 every 2 cartridges. I don't know the fps however it shoots thru 1/4" - 3/8" plywood that's a lot for a home defense gun. I hope u do the same u won't regret it. The 90g CO2 coming out the handle is a little odd but you can shoot say 7 cylinders turn the tank off then later turn it back on and continue shooting another 8+ cylinders. I hope this helps thanks Spoonman
Hello! Thanks for your amazing videos. I have a question that I cannot solve. I want to buy Umarex HDR 50 11 joules for home protection. But I want to make this revolver more powerful. I watched a lot of videos, but I didn’t fully understand which of the options for increasing power is the most optimal? A revolver is needed specifically for home defense, and not for training or entertainment. I beg you, tell me a real way to increase the power of HDR 50.
I would suggest a 38 Special revolver then? If you already live somewhere where these high powered air guns are legal, a real gun should not be a problem?
@@penedrador I have a residence permit in this country, and I cannot buy a normal pistol yet.
most places where airguns have no limit and only require you to be 18 to buy them have severe restrictions on real firearms, you may be able to buy them with a "sports" use permit, but a carry permit is difficult or impossible, carrying an airgun even would also for a defensive purpose be illegal in most places!
and although you are allowed to defend yourself, doing so even in your home with a legally owned firearm you need to be extremely careful to not end up serving a long prison sentence for it, your really need to be facing certain death and be able to prove it! your word that someone came at you with a knife might not cut it, actual stab wounds might be required to convince a court of law!
a non lethal option might be better if it is capable of actually stopping someone but either way it will be a gamble!
of course different countries have slight variations...
imo a fully automatic high round pr second hpa driven bb gun with a 1000 round plus magazine might also be better for stopping an intruder than a 6 shot paintball gun... regular 68 cal paintball guns on a field are around 13 joules, so even if you double that you just might make an intruder really angry with 6 shots.
a steady continuous stream of a 1000 plus 0.177 steel bbs to the face i think would be a better deterrent!
but if you absolutely want this revolver then a 13c hpa tank conversion using 12.7 mm steel ballbearing balls would probably give the best result... hpa can easily be tuned to much higher pressure than co2, but then might become lethal at some point if you hit someone in the right/wrong place.
edit: there is also the hdr68, a 16 joule 68cal 5 shot version.
but i assume they are the same gun as the 50cal 6 shot 11 joule with just a bigger bore and the same potential for tuning and power.
and im not sure but i think the 50cal might "hurt" more as the projectile travels faster and impacts on a smaller area, assuming they can be tuned to the same joule...
@@ralphbooger4756 not allowed to defend your own family or self? that is insane, good ol'AR-15 in 50Beowolf and the bad guy can not testify against you
Baffled by mine, the round “push” piece that goes up in the co2 chamber doesn’t stay in place and just falls out, looks like a loctite jobby
you need a o-ring on that piece
Will u hook up an HPA to it?
Someone got over 90J with an upgraded version hooked to an HPA.
Yes, just waiting for the snow to clear, then I can get out on the range.
Mad Dog Airguns That will be cool to see, I was looking at getting an M17 but this is more powerful it’s cheaper and doesn’t have a bolt, heard that can break on the M17.
Good video. Not sure why you were only getting just over 3joules. My 7.5j version is always around the 7 joules mark.
It was fairly cold, which might explain the low readings.
@@Maddogairguns aww OK, makes sense.
So why is the 7 Jule better to up grade than an 11 Jule...?....Great videos..
They say it is because the co2 chamber is larger on the 7.5joule version. But it might not make much difference.