are "body type" tests actually helpful? (Kibbe, color season, etc) | Internet Analysis
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TIME STAMPS:
0:00 - intro
1:40 - I love QUIZZES what can I say
2:38 - shout out to today's sponsor!
3:53 - why are these tests so confusing
4:37 - Kibbe body types
5:44 - what's the point of finding your types?
8:29 - what is my style?
10:06 - seasonal color analysis (and my season!)
12:10 - how I'm supposed to dress, for my Kibbe body type
12:58 - SHOPPING for my types & colors
15:03 - what about my ESSENCE?
16:36 - what I bought / putting together some outfits!
21:05 - final thoughts!!
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the Kibbe subreddit - / kibbe
Soft Classic Style Analysis: Kirsten Dunst | Kibbe Body Types (Nonjabulo Arahill) - www.nonjabuloarahill.com/post...
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Girl, you look gorgeous, when you feel gorgeous. Yes the mint dress is living my Matlilda dream, the dusky clothes look really good on you. But you have this sneaky rebellious streak which I think you should let out a bit more. Add a scarf, some cute pin badges and a satchel, look in thrift stores. You got this.
I love that blazer honestly and you look really cool in it, not business at all. Just like a cool person! It esp looks bomb over the pink sweater.
You look great in all of it !
I especially liked the pink and light green outfits😊
I rarely comment on CZcams videos, but I feel compelled to say that I LOVE the way you look in the blazer outfit you’re thinking of returning. It really puts the focus on you in a great way. That said, if you don’t feel good in it and don’t see yourself wearing it, ofc there is no point in keeping it ⭐️
Hey Tiffany! kinda wild, you're the first person I've known about to also be a soft classic with a soft summer color pallet. I would say we look a little similar but it's crazy how much variation there can be between two individuals of the same type. Personally I have found it best to avoid high white/black contrast and have been experimenting with more monochromatic and analogous colors in my color pallet and I've found that I get more compliments if I do that! You look great in all of it though, I've found the typing systems to just illuminate what looks BEST on someone
the type-shopping to “i must sew my entire wardrobe” pipeline is too relatable
I feel my descent. I'm not even avoiding it. 😂
it's crocheting for me lol
That’s what I’m doing now! You don’t even need a sewing machine, it make your life easier tho, and there’s plenty of affordable ones out there. I’m trying to convert people to my “sew your own clothes” cult lol
@@NothingReallyMatters08 its the sewing patterns that are going to cost the most long term
@@paulinemoira8442I haven't ever spent a lot of money on sewing patterns! There are so many free ones online I mean you do have to print them so the paper and ink costs money, but there are also pattern drafting videos so I usually do that, or at thrift shops they sell patterns for a few cents and a lot of them are brand new, you just need to double check them that all the pieces are in there still. The pattern drafting videos are by far the best tho! Just takes practice and I started small 😁 if anything fabric costs me the most 😅 esp coz I like making jeans and the denim fabric i like is expensive
As someone who wears alternative fashion, I've never understood the appeal of basing your wardrobe around what "suits" you rather than what sparks joy.
also wear alternative fashion and yeh thats my approach, dont really ever feel like i have nothing to wear and all my clothes work with each other
I try to do both, because sometimes I really love a style but I just don't love how it looks on me. I think these are helpful if you want to I guess "optimize" the fit of your clothes, but I wouldn't take it as hard rules.
Same. I despise color seasons but I've found another color analysis thing online and now I'm 50% black and red (colors that don't suit me) goth/alt girl and 50% brown and cream with pops of certain dusty colors.
The alternative portion of my style makes me feel super badass and like myself but wearing colors that suit me and even go for more ""mature"" pieces of clothing is giving me confidence in a whole new way. Sometimes I just want to blend in with other people and be more low key and I really enjoy in those moments wearing what actually suits me.
@Shirumoon same! My closet is weirdly split in two between alt stuff and casual wear😂
I found myself liking color seasons since I ended up with something that fitted what I wanted for the "casual" part of my closet but I totally see how it would be frustrating if you aren't lucky enough.
Can I ask u what was the other color analysis you have tried? I really like doing these silly little style tests lol, it's really fun if you don't take the results too seriosuly
Yeah the whole thing kinda stresses me out tbh… like there are already so many things we’re “supposed” to do as women to not be perceived as “letting ourselves go” or “giving up” or whatever… and now there’s all this other stuff that frankly sounds like made-up bullshit lol like if you see me wearing the “wrong” color for my skin tone or whatever and you think it looks “bad” just like look away lol
Kibbe actually helped me with my ED because, as a soft natural, I know my body won’t look like other people of different IDs. I started to appreciate my broad shoulders, something that I would hide constantly. Kibbe helped me see that I have more of a athletic built, a superhero kind of look :)
Yesss I've had the same experience. It helped me so much to overcome my body dysmorphia and to appreciate my width. I think for some people these "rules" are actually a relieve and safe space on those "bad days". Also, now I feel comfortable enough to break them. : )
@@phimo I’m glad you’re better!! Really, Kibbe is just a helping hand, see what is flattering. Some people take it as gospel and don’t adapt the suggestions to their personal style
Same! It just makes my body more "normal". It's just one of the types, it doesn't have to look like everyone else 😊
Yes! I've hated my body so much, but it helped so much when I was told I had a similar body to Marilyn Monroe... Obviously not exactly like hers, but feel sexier now, and I don't super care about the scale anymore
Kibbe helped me with my body dysmorphia by teaching me what clothes I will genuinely look/feel good in. A lot of my insecurities before were from buying unflattering, trendy clothes I liked on a model. I never created a cohesive wardrobe by shopping that way, either.
OK here's my hot take. I think there's something to be said that this is a common feeling people experience in the Spring time. You mentioned that you signed up for all these tests about a year ago and now you're doing this video a year later. It struck me how seasonally we clear out our closets and ask what is my style. We go from winter to Spring, where essentially we've been hiding our bodies for like 4 or 5 months and suddenly all these clothes are shorter or tighter or brighter and we're thinking oh it's this what I really look like? Plus, given the pandemic, we've all been wearing the same things for a WHILE so we want to try something new. Thanks to you, I try to do most of that shopping on ThredUp or at secondhand shops.
+1
yes !!
Just here, encouraging your suistanability. Check online second hand!
Omg this is a fascinating theory! Totally makes sense, aligning with spring cleaning plus “getting ready” for your summer wardrobe. (Also I so badly need to clean out my closet HAHA)
This!!!
I'm obsessed with colors and seasons it actually helped me stop wearing black constantly. I know it's not a science, but it's helped me feel more confident in more colors. I used to hate pink, yellow, and purple. Now I rock it all the time. I thought I was "too fat" to wear color, and that's not true.
It’s funny bc color seasons did the opposite, it got me to start wearing black. I was afraid of it for so long bc I was worried would look scary but it actually made me feel more confident
Here’s to the girls who love dressing colorfully 🎉
I find that making people REALLY confront if they like black for real or if it's just something they believed was correct/easy/fashion foward/slimming is the great benefit from color season analisis : ))) It makes me really happy
Oh man I feel this! I’ve always been very busty and “top-heavy” lol and I used to feel really self conscious about wearing any kind of bright colored top especially if it was also oversized in any way… like look at me I’m a huge pink lollipop with little stick legs :(
@@riabouchinska same! but as a very fat little peanut m&m shaped (trans) man with skinny arms and legs, I usually go for brightly colored hats and socks to draw attention away from the whole torso region (🤮), and I'll match my beanie and/or socks to an accent color in my flannel (unbuttoned over a plain shirt) . Makes me feel very lowkey yet put together even if I'm literally in basketball shorts or baggy jeans.
From a perspective of an artist, all those systems are more of an art than a science; similar to basics of color theory and shape theories used when designing characters. They do have some rules to them, there are simply combinations of colors and their shades that do look better together, just as some combinations make each other less appealing. That being said, like all art, there's always room for rule breaking and personal style, like all art "rules" they are only helpful if you don't let yourself be tied up by them once you start having a grasp of how things affect each other and experiment to train your brain and eye to better understand what you like in a creation, in this case, an outfit.
Precisely. There is a complexity that naturally comes as you learn and apply what you know to yourself specifically. You have to factor in how you want to be perceived. Also, certain people are not covered well. For example, red heads often have cool tone skin but obviously red is a warm color. This just makes everything a bit difficult.
this is a good summary :)
As a fellow artist I couldn't agree more!!
This honestly took the words right out of my mouth. When applied to art, what you said makes complete sense to me. But a few years ago I had trouble applying that to my personal style. I enjoy kibbe and essences because it was a great way to START finding clothes that work for me and how I want to feel in clothes. But some people take these tests and systems as a strict set of rules which could take the fun out of fashion for them. I don't know if I'm about to explain this correctly but when people are confused by their conflicting results from these tests, it's where their personal style can grow. Take what you like from those results and then experiment. Even if you disagree with the result and prefer another, go ahead and try it out. They're just suggestions to help you find what you like for yourself.
Yes. I looked at that pallette and like, imagine trying to find a specific shade of pink in the stores when the whole Valentino Pink thing is still going strong right now. Are you not even gonna try the Valentino Pink if it's not in your pallette? What if it looks amazing?
As an alternative fashion person, I feel like these types are catered to a more "normal", conventional style. That being said these color principles can be applied to alternative fashion of course :) Also the dusty pink and green look awesome on you and make you look very soft!
I am a fellow alternative fashion person, I can't imagine going through this, especially the makeup part. But I know people who did it, and were interested in following the results.
I think you’re right. I also think using the kibbe system can help those who want to dress more edgy too! For example, dressing outside your kibbe body type can help you achieve that alternative look - for some types, dressing in more flowy/baggy outfits makes them look edgier because of the way the clothes fit in the body, for other types, it might be dressing jn sharper lines :) the kibbe system is actually a pretty interesting tool but its usefulness depends on how you use it (mindset + how much effort is being put into learning and applying it)
I wore alternative fashion for almost 15years and now i am very much into buying investing pieces in an elegant timeless style (still mostly black though but why not) and it feels so WEIRD seeing someone in the alternative fashion i used to wear in the streets and not wearing it myself and therefore not being recognized by them as „one of us“ hahaha
Color analysis it’s about looking in harmony with your colors. If you want an edgy look then u don’t have to respect it
Everything can be modified to alt styling. Even kibbe.
Okay every single color you used from the palette looked great on you. I even loved the mint and rose combo. I know you're not super into the business casual vibe but it genuinely suited you. Not that it should change what clothing you're drawn to wearing, just found it interesting.
Yeah the colors looked great on her. They really made me look at her face because her eyes were so bright
I'd like to add that navy blue was absolutely STUNNING. It elevated all her features so well without dulling or bleaching them!
Its basic colour theory honestly
Now if someone wants to base their wardrobe on those principles then they should go for it!
But it really shouldnt be the end all be all. Wear whatever the heck you want, even "unflattering" colours
GO WILD
@@elvingearmasterirma7241 Right, as I said it shouldn't restrict what you already like! But it could help you switch it up by trying colors/styles outside of your comfort zone you may not have considered before
I think the exact same thing! The way these pastel colors and tailored business cuts complement her is quite illuminating. But like you said, it's all about what makes you happiest. If you like it, then go for it!
i feel like kibbe + color season can be most applicable and useful for big formal events where you would be most interested in picking something super flattering that really brings you out, and kibbe guidelines and colors can help you quickly narrow down clothes in a store to a few options that will really work. for everyday, i feel like it really isn’t as important to always be harmonious, unless your goal is to always look elegant and polished.
Yeah I totally agree, like if I’m going to a wedding where I know I’ll be in a bunch of pictures and I’m like “my style goal is just to look nice in these pictures,” or I’m going to a job interview and I’m like “I just want to look put together and appropriate and professional so that they respect me,” those are the times I lean on kibbe the most. The other time I would say is when picking closet basics. Like if I’m going to get a white button down, I’ve learned as a romantic that I should pick one in a slightly Drapier material, with good waist emphasis, and maybe a few feminine details like a slightly puffed sleeve. Now I’ll style it however I would’ve styled it anyway, but I’m just working with a base piece that I know can work for me instead of working with a base that always feels off
It is a fix. You see something you like, and would love to wear, but it somehow looks bad on you and you don't know why. Kibbe usually gives you the answer what is wrong. And then you can try to fix it. I never used Kibbe to not wear the things i like, but I often use it to somehow successfully wear looks that are not really best for me.
@@jurysdykcja yes exactly!! It allows me to figure out how to make something look great that I only looked okay in before. It’s not to change my personal style, but to allow me to wear my clothes and express my style in a way that creates the effects I’m trying to create
And also it saves so much time when shopping. Before I used to try so much clothes that I loved in a hanger but whenever I put them on i looked and feel ridiculous. Now I can go for silhouettes that I know fit me and know why
I just watched safiya’s video where she gets her season/color pallet analyzed and I was wondering if it “really worked” and this video was a great answer
Same!
All the colour analysis people say stuff like "Do you see the difference? Ah you look more alive in X and ashy in Y". It feels so leading. Reminds me of guys negging but as a tactic to get more sales. I paint alot so I know the power of colour theory but people should just wear what makes them happy. If happiness is all black batwing sleeve dress so be it
I literally never see a difference when they hold up the colour sheet/fabric. I'm like ummm I never like that set of colours so my answer isn't about how a certain set match or compliment, but about whether I like those colours or not. The "don't you see this is much more your palette" feels totally leading
@@caesar98I see where your coming from but I think there is a truth to people suiting certain pallets more than others. I thought Saf looked healthier and more even in the winter pallet.
That being said I don’t think people should confine themselves to one pallet type… people should just wear the colour they like bc at the end of the day difference is not that noticeable
@@caesar98 but if you just "wear what makes you happy" then you are limiting yourself by not being open to new things and discover outfits that will not be comfortable at first because you are not used to it but then ended up liking it. It is always not good to just keep oneself in your comfort zone.
"Do you see the difference? Ah you look more alive in X and ashy in Y" Can't say that they were just negging because I (most of the times) I agree with them and I see it.
as someone who used to work at a very busy urban outfitters, ngl the people who wanted to do a little mini fashion show in the fitting rooms were often kinda fun to have around during an otherwise dull shift. i loved when people would ask for advice or my opinion on a product and do a little twirl. sometimes people would come in looking for a last minute outfit to a party and decide you were their new best friend with all the expert fashion advice. the fitting rooms had mirrors but some people wanted to look in the other mirrors, idk. i can understand preferring your privacy though.
I have definitely been the person asking staff for opinions. As long as they aren't going the route of "I love BOTH options. Buy both!" Even if they offer tailoring advice, it shows they are willing to be honest about how it looks as is.
I think the fashion show is fun if that’s what you want in your shopping experience! Hahaha sometimes I am in that mood. But if I’m just trying to try on some stuff and not feeling social, it’s a little much for me
I loooove those kind of customers! I work in makeup retail and I’ve many customers who see me more as a friend just because we have fun conversations about makeup and I help them find the makeup they want. ❤
I’m glad you mentioned the race aspect. These body type tests do absolutely nothing for me. I’m short and bottom heavy.
Also, black women tend to have an entirely different style then mainstream (non-black) celebrities. Blake Lively, or whoever else, would literally never be caught dead at anywhere I shop.
But I like the color theory stuff. I think that’s actually helpful - especially with makeup.
The language inevitably takes a turn. Racist dog whistles and stuff that sounds uncomfortably like phrenology and eugenics.
I’ve also fallen down the Kibbe rabbit hole, and I’ve even made some videos about it, and I was also professionally typed. It’s really hard to separate the actual guidelines for the shape of clothes that you should wear from the recommended “style“. Like, you shouldn’t have to dress like Kirsten Dunst to get a takeaway about being a soft classic from the kibbe body system. To be honest, I think you were already pretty intuitively dressing in that way. The main important things for classic body types is that the clothes you wear are simple and balanced, and you were already wearing pretty simple clothing with clean lines that suited you well. The natural essence I think just means that you have a more easy-going vibe so your clothes should be more casual and relaxed feeling rather than dressy or professional feeling. that mint dress that you picked out or the white top with the blue skirt were all of those things. Simple, clean lines, soft fabrics, and a relaxed easy vibe. I think you honestly nailed it and the ones that seem to suit you best were the ones that you said you felt the best in
Hahaha that’s so interesting! I guess I still don’t solidly understand the descriptors so maybe I just can’t see it.
this was exactly my impression as well
I have the same experience, that I was actually naturally attracted to certain shapes and colours. Then I started working and I wanted to look more professional but all the traditional fashion advice (where we should all want to be tall long legged sexy hourglasses 🙄) made me feel uncomfortable. I always liked having a contrast between my top and bottom, now apparently that’s bad and I should wear “monochrome” and I tried but I felt like I was wearing my grandma’s clothes, and not in a good way
Tried wearing more “neutrals” and pastels , and it would feel like my skin is burning i just felt out of place
When I discovered Kibbe’s it was like a revelation that how I like to dress isn’t bad or a lack of style, it’s just me
Yes, I also think you read conservative very politically, which is honestly a very US thing to do, so I don’t blame you 😂 But you do dress quite conservatively imo? Not in a bad way! Just soft, classic, mostly covered, no aggressive shapes or colors. Trendy but not too trendy. Balanced. I mean, you are young and STUNNING, so nothing you have tried made you look bad, but that green dress was definitely the one that suited you best. That white top (the blazer-like one) you wanna return was the second best in my opinion.
I've actually really enjoyed learning about Kibbe and typing myself. As a petite person I find a lot of fashion advice is about looking tall and Kibbe doesn't do this. I've found that I basically gravitate to gamine styles naturally, but it's been helpful to steer me away from trends and developing my personal style. All this oversized stuff that's cool right now doesn't work on my frame. In the past I would have tried to to make trendy things work whereas now I'm better at sticking to a style I like and letting trends pass me by.
Same here! I’m loving Y2K revival for how it’s brought back clothes that actually don’t hang on me like a trash bag.
I’ve found that body type systems and color systems work best for people who never seem to like clothes on themselves. Or have a few pieces they like and can’t seem to figure out why those few pieces are different than than all the other clothes they don’t like. They’re for absolute 101 style/fashion beginners. They’re a jumping off point, a place to gain confidence.
I think they're helpful to avoid certain trends too
I remember being in 6th grade and feeling really embarrassed about having pale skin at the pool when all my friends were tan! I googled “what color swimsuit looks good on pale skin” what I found was article after article saying not black, no pastels, no jewel tones, no neons. By the end, almost every color had been ruled out and I felt truly helpless. As an adult I think I would enjoy knowing my colors simply for the fun of the “journey,” but I can see how obsessing over color palettes and shapes, like a younger me once did, could feel limiting and sad.
As a fellow very pale person, who also asked the same questions at a similar age, I now have an answer : you're gonna look pale no matter what you wear, but paleness also has its beauty. As any other skin color.
jewel tones look GORGEOUS on pale skin idk where you read that but it was wrong i hope you now wear colors that make you feel beautiful
I'm not exactly in my most stylish phase, so maybe I'm not in the right headspace for these concepts, but these systems seem to revolve more around optimization than expression. It almost feels like someone telling you what kind of art you should like based on your family history. Like yes there's data and real life examples to pull from, but the only way to be satisfied with the answers you're given is to adapt them and do the creative part of self-expression yourself. I don't think these systems are bad or anything, they're probably useful as a starting point to exploration like you've demonstrated!
Yesss I wrote something about the optimization of style in my script but must have cut it at some point. It’s fascinating. I think some people really do want to optimize, and minimize the thought required to get dressed. Whereas others wouldn’t enjoy that!
@@tiffanyferg That's a really interesting perspective, definitely more to unpack if you ever want to revisit the topic! 🌟
That’s where the essence component comes into play, another layer above the geometry. I think for example channel Elyssa style does a really good job on this, where it shows a) how different types can combine with different aesthetics and b) how one type can combine with different energies. On the latter she has very good videos on gamine types, with different vibes of personality.
On former she takes different styles like twee, grunge, nerdy, moody mountain, rockenrol, boho chic, and breaks them down to build them up for different types. It’s really eye opening
I like Rita’s quadrant system the best. It’s more about how you express your style and how you use style to explain your story of who you are
I actually found being told I can't wear certain things because it doesn't go with my colours made me anxious and limited what I could and couldn't wear. Like for ages I wouldn't wear black because I was told it looked bad on me and now I'm finally wearing black I like it!
Depends on those people, are they well versed with fashion you think they were right? I have been told I look bad in a certain outfit by people who just wear plain shirts and jeans. Or that I don't look good being skinny by chubby people. Some people just impose their own style to others to validate themselves. And for that reason I think that black actually looks good on you.
the gothening begins
Whoever told you that you don’t look good in black was probably just being mean to you because black works on everyone
I had someone tell me to never wear red because it looks horrible on me when they were a completely different style than me and wore nothing but neutrals.
I remember my sister got me an oversized shirt for my birthday which was touching that she knew I was into androgynous and baggy fashion. But when I wore it with wide leg pants, she told me I should tuck in the shirt to make a nicer silhouette. I said I liked the shape it made but she was really persistent and even said “you should put in effort to styling yourself”. It was kinda hurtful that she thought I didn’t know to dress myself and unintentionally said the way I did dress looked bad. I tucked it in just to please her but I genuinely preferred the way it looked before.
This is why I’m apprehensive about these types of fashion evaluations. It feels constrained and superficial that puts “flattering” your physical features over self expression. It’s also not lost on me that “dressing for your body type” is the most common critique made at fat people. It’s almost like there is a higher expectation for those who don’t already match the thin and traditionally feminine beauty standards to put more “care” into their presentation in order to be palatable to the general public. 🤔
I don’t have a problem if someone tries these tests out for themselves to help them on their personal fashion journey but the way they enforce an idea of presentability is frankly judgemental and easily becomes discriminatory. Everyone has a different idea of what suits them and it’s really no one’s-or no tests’-place to say if it can be “better”.
I think in this case the unfortunate reality is that overall baggy oversized everything suits almost no one. And I say this as an hourglass girl. I absolutely cannot wear it as a supposedly ideal type. The reality is that if you look at anywhere that hugely baggy everything is popular it always coincides with very thin people. From models to asian fashion that is just what I have seen. I think baggy everything has the same problem that y2k skinny has, which is the fashion is the body and not the clothing.
@@LotusesGalaxyOcean I feel like it's just an idea that baggy clothes only suit certain body types and that idea typically revolves around body shaming, as you pointed out. It's not even that baggy clothes only "work" on slim bodies but slim bodies in general are just viewed as the most appealing (depending on your culture and time period but as of now in the west, that's the case) so they're granted more variety. But if someone who doesn't have that body type wants to wear baggy clothes, they should be allowed to without feeling judged.
@@sapphic.flower I disagree. I personally having been crazy skinny don’t think overall baggy is really flattering on anyone at all. But, assuming that it looks ok on skinny people as a premise..... I think everything baggy is potentially flattering on the very thin because it is essentially a blanket on a stick. No other body shape can replicate that really and frankly its kind of odd to want to. Any other style means you actually have to highlight something about your body for it to be flattering. To put it simply... I don’t put my flower vase under a pile of towels because why would I? Hiding your body shape isn’t going to be flattering to any people and the only reason baggy clothes theoretically work on thin people is because it doesn’t do that on them. Skinny people like models are are essentially human clothing racks quite often with the clothing wearing them amusingly enough.
If we look across cultures historically very few have oversized everything as a clothing style that are advanced societally. I would say this is because crazy skinny is more recent historical beauty trend. However, if you look there are a ton of very loose or flowy clothing styles that have existed. But, all of them from the toga, medieval dress, hanfu and saree have some sort of overall shape or draping to them. I think it is a mistake to get too caught up in the current right now trends to this or that in fashion or bodies. So much of it isn’t accurate once we leave our little bubbles on the internet or socially. Plus it gets in the way of finding really great things that are both flattering and comfortable.
Also, as much as I love pants most of them sold currently are not truly made for women and our biology. This makes people hate themselves for no good reason. I have a uterus and fluctuating weight over the month. But, do pants work with this? Nope. So much of women’s problems orient around pants.
@@LotusesGalaxyOcean I don't think further arguing why you think baggy clothing is never flattering makes sense here. I disgaree with you, but that's actually irrelevant because the original commenter stated that they felt the most comfortable in the baggy outfit they described. they actually described that they found it hurtful to be judged the way that you are repeating here now. I think the most flattering outfit/style is the one that makes the person who wears it feel the best: happy, confident, comfortable, whatever it is. and that is generally something that makes someone more attractive
@@LotusesGalaxyOcean fuck flattering,if someone wants to wear baggy clothes only,they should wear it
The green Miss Honey dress definitely has the oomph factor that the navy dress does not have! I think it’s so complimentary to your eyes and skin. Girly, you look hot in it! I think the navy is not dusty enough when compared to the palette.
I agree
you see, this is the complicated part of this whole thing, because I feel the exact opposite! I think the navy dress is more complimentary for her skin and eyes, the green just makes her look so desaturated. The lighting in her room might also be impacting it. Outside, in the summer sunlight (with a straw hat?), the green might compliment her better then the navy (it would probably be cooler too).
imo, there is no "correct" answer with this kind of thing. Its much more important to dress in a way that brings you happiness. She likes that green dress? Then she should wear it, often, nothing else matters. It is a very pretty green and a cute dress, I'm similar in palate to her and I would love that dress too!
@@SilverDragonJay It is complicated and very subjective! Wearing what we like on ourselves is most important, and it seems she did like both dresses.
THE MINTY GREEN DRESS IS SO CUTE!!! I love this video and that you're actually honest!!
fr that is her color!!
she literally looked like an angel in it
Thanks for sharing your experience with all this! I think there's definitely an unhealthy degree to which people can hyperfocus and be hyper critical that leads nowhere anyone wants to go. I also think that learning which colors/tones flatter your coloring makes complete sense, but I'm confused by the palette you wound up with because the way I learned about seasonal coloring was that there is a shade/tone of every color in the world that will flatter you. If you want to wear orange, yellow, red, and brown, there are tones that will flatter your summer coloring.
Overall, I'm a huge advocate for wearing whatever you want as long as it brings you joy. You mentioned gravitating towards things that were funky and chunky but having to force yourself to avoid them for this experiment, and I think that's bananas. Be as loud and wild as you want with your self expression ESPECIALLY because you don't have to go to an office. Fuck that blazer if you'd rather wear a funky coat!
Awww thank you for all of this! Totally agree about wearing what brings you joy and I love the "funky and chunky" LMAO gonna use that for all my clothing searches now
@@tiffanyferg yeah! I could totalt se you in a basic jeans and t shirt plus a funky jacket. So cute!!
I tried to get into Kibbe so many times after it's been advertised to me as the "body-positive, non-restricting" and even "ED-safe" way to make yourself look as presentable as possible. But it all always gets lost on me just because it's still typing people, thus trying to make them fit a certain mold. Your words that you felt like it was almost body checking hit the nail on the head for me, it was exactly like that for me too. The hyperfocus on separate body parts is what makes it a "no" for me.
I'm a Dramatic Classic with Ingenue essence and a Soft Autumn color palette, which means I will look bad in unstructured, unfeminine clothing and the color black. In my opinion, I look way worse in the greige blazers and pencil skirts that were suggested instead. Maybe it looks nice on my body, but then again it's a body that all the personality has been taken out of. I'd rather be my typical hippie skater boy self and wear all the black I want (true that I prefer earth tones though) and I get compliments for it, believe it or not!
What is ED?
@@anniestumpy9918 It stands for "Eating Disorder"
You can wear any type of style with any kibbe body type, but I agree the community sure doesn't take it seriously. Instead of trying to make the system work for individual styles they like to focus on archetypes (boho natural, business for classic, bodycon sexy dresses for romantics, etc) and over-analyze individual body parts instead of focusing on the whole (which was the whole point of kibbe--NOT trying to force people into molds and focusing on specific body parts, but instead an overall shape and how fabric lays on it to maximize how nice you feel).
A small remark about the hair: I think the shade of blond you have is a bit too warm against the cooler tones of the new clothes and simply clashes with them (and make your hair appear yellow - which is not the case when you wear warmer tones in other parts of the video). When I imagine you with your hair up or all in the natural colour from your roots, the colours of the new clothes really suit you.
You may want to try purple shampoo/conditioner to (temporarily) cool down the shade of your hair and see if goes better together.
To be honest, I believe there are colors that work best with certain skin undertones and clothes that “show off” one’s body best, but at the end of the day, we should all just dress how we want. That could be in alignment with these guidelines or not. I like big sweaters, jackets, and cardigans; I have stronger shoulders, so I know they don’t “work” with my body. I also like to wear black but I have lighter skin, so I know it’s likely washes me out. I also recently started to dress more “androgynously” than I previously dressed and I’m sure that my style would upset some people or perhaps suggest I’ve “given up” on myself. Regardless I wear what makes me comfortable because this is my life and my body is not here to please anyone but myself. I think people really limit themselves but believe there are some rules that need to be followed. As someone who was a huge stickler, I get the impulse, but also everyone needs to think about what they want rather than what some arbitrary “rules” dictate.
Tbh at some level I don't really see the difference between what is recommended and what is not. I think its good to know how the rules apply though. E.g. I should wear a certain silhouette to appear taller, but at some days I prefer to look like a short little gremlin.
Yes! But I also find that once you discover YOUR colors it's hard to go back 😂 I love pastels and stuff so sure I want to wear them, but they make my skin look grey and dull. But I love the pastels!! However, recently I've started going back to the colors I know actually suit me (like a dusky rose, blueish purple, khaki, emerald green etc) and my skin is glowing, I've been getting compliments, I just look really good whatever the outfit, just bc of the colors! But I'll keep my light pink hair no matter what
i took these tests, HATED my suggested styles and color palettes, and just said fuck it and kept wearing what i wanted 💀💀💀 id rather wear things i like than things that meet some meter
Same.
I actually liked the soft summer/soft classic outfits on you! Especially the colors looked nice, but again, if you do not feel comfortable in them, then there is no point wearing them!
As soon as she said she wasn't feeling the soft classic, I thought "that's because she's probably natural". Personally, I've found the typing validating of my short, curvy body and it has helped me feel better about wardrobe decisions and spending. I think if it's fun for you, try it; if it's not fun, skip it.
I think you really hit the nail on the head with the fun comment - no one needs to follow these systems but if you like learning about them or it makes styling yourself easier, then have at it!
It made me feel better about mine too! While I dont follow mine to a T, it was nice having a guide that didnt revolve around your waist line and also didn't place a hierarchy on body types either like the hourglass, rectangle, apple etc do
I totally think she’s soft natural!! She shines in those jeans and t-shirts that she loves to wear!
When I got to the part of the video 16:01 “doesn’t this [natural essence] go against everything that classic is supposed to be?” I was like “that’s because it’s your body type too!!”
I think she might have some degree of classic essence. Very elegant and balanced facial features 💖
Okay, now that I’ve *actually* watched the video, I have to say it’s very hard for me to put aside my personal bias against ‘~typing~’ based on inherited traits to look at this topic objectively. I just really hate the idea of needing to dress a particular way because of how you were born. Something I’ve enjoyed, as a person who is also struggling with their style, is watching content that encourages wearing what you already have in a new way. Hannah Louise Poston has a video on pairing pieces you already have, making new silhouettes by wearing in a way you may not have thought to before. I appreciate your exploration of this topic and seeing you actually try to apply your ‘results.’
I can't speak of the other things, but as for the colours, colours effect each other. A soft green next to a bright green will make the bright green look brighter, a lime green next to the bright green will make the bright green look darker. So your clothes will have an effect on your skin and hair colours. There will be colours that will make your skintone look darker, brighter, pinker, more orange/red, more yellow etc than others. That doesn't mean you can't or shouldn't wear certain colours. It just means that you are aware of what the colours do to the way you look. That's all.
And anyone who gives those colour assesments will (or should) tell you that this is a guide to help you. If you don't find it helpful, you don't have to use it.
I found kibbe helpful in terms of knowing “why” certain things don’t work for me and so I’m no longer trying to make them work and feel off
Certain hairstyles for example, very long hair (I have 3A hair, when I straitened it I could go longer) but long curls overwhelm me and drag me down
I kept cutting my hair short, growing it out and cutting it again because I’d have to wear certain styles to make it work
I find joy in expressing myself through outfits and style, but the vibe has to be right, otherwise I don’t feel as good - so things like these are important to me as they painted a bigger picture
I don’t feel restricted by the recommendations kibbe gave or my color season, but I can see how it can be the case for others
Like with food, eating healthy for the most part and then treat oneself. For me wearing black is the treat (as a warm spring) as it makes me look sick without lots of make up - but when I wear black, i will wear more intense make up, so it’s a whole other vibe from funeral (black is for funerals where I’m from) to happy party vibes.
Ofc those are all details, but I’m a perfectionist :D
your point about it just being body checking and giving you more “attainable” unattainable standards for you to strive towards and it being a consumerist trap are the exact reasons why i haven’t taken any of these quizzes other than color season! you’re awesome! you don’t need to completely change your style to fit what your “body type” is.
All of this made me think of the Unfancy Capsule wardrobe planning system where they encourage you to be realistic about your lifestyle and the kind of clothes that you need. For instance, I tried really hard to keep a capsule wardrobe but my job requires me to have a work wardrobe and my busy schedule means that I won’t be able to do laundry fast enough to just have six pieces that I mix and match so I actually need a wardrobe that is mainly work-wear, decent lounge wear for the evenings and about 30% casual wear for weekends. I think, if you’re doing all the tests and still feeling unsettled in your wardrobe or like you have nothing to wear, it may be that you’re buying the ‘staples’ or what seems ‘stylish’ without being clear about how that fits in with your lifestyle. Not saying that’s what Tiffany is doing but this is what occurred to me during the video. Also, I don’t worry about my colours as such, I tend to wear neutrals and then I’ve got 4-5 statement colours that I wear and get loads of compliments on. Another good thing to do could be Alyssa Beltempo’s suggestion of having three words to describe your style (so mine are simple, edgy, comfortable) and going from there.
Thank goodness for our queen Tiffany for making the internet and reality actual separate things. And for eloquently saying all the thoughts that are jumbled up in our head. I’m now in my 40s. WTF did that happen. My eldest kid is the age I still feel (22). I do not own a going out top, I love ticking boxes and quizzes, and yet I still, after FORTY YEARS on this earth, I have no idea what to wear, except my Christmas pjs and bed socks. And my husbands old T-shirts.
The “going out top” still feels fake to me… like a mirage!!
I have had the same Lucky Brand blouse for at least 8 years. It's pretty much my go to for holidays, classier parties (these are rare for me), etc. Sometimes I think about getting a new one, but I love it and I don't wear it often so it's still in great shape. If that shirt were to disappear, I would probably look for the same one on Poshmark or Threadup (I did this when I lost my go-to cocktail dress 😂). When it works, it works!
I do think the 'new' colours really look good on you and make your eyes pop! With regards to the clothes, have you considered wearing vintage (or an aesthetic you like)?- and then just doing that in your colour palette? The thing is, until the end of the 60s/mid 70s most hollywood actors had a defined style on and off duty as a part of their studio contract so you might find it easier to take inspiration from the 20th century.
I've always loved old Hollywood fashion, and have the advantage of being able to sew. I now dress more or less like Midge Maisel or like Audrey Hepburn in Funny Face. I feel like 'me' and get random compliments all the time. You've always struck me as more of a late 60s/70s or 90s-does-70s type style - just a thought.
I would literally send Tiffany 60s/70s vintage if she’d wear it bc you’re so right it would look so good 😭💛
Aww that’s very sweet! Yes I need to do more vintage shopping. When I was 18-20 I used to wear lots of 80s and 90s vintage. I do love a 70s vibe too so we’ll see!!
One thing many of these colour analysis charts don't account for is intentional contrast or "statement" pieces. In Safiya Nygaard's video, she rejects a sweater that's "her colour" because there's orange lettering on it, which isn't in her palette. But the whole point of that colour choice is that as an opposite colour, the orange stands out more boldly.
If everyone just chooses colours that go well with them, they lose the opportunity to have stand-out elements in their wardrobe.
because it was designed and made specifically in regards to conventional styling in mind. thats how i feel with color seasons and black being recommended only with winters. if you intend to have bold/striking fashion such as “gothic” for instance like trad goth, ect then it would become far more striking against you as a summer, spring, ect. but in that way its even better to wear those colors as a lighter season if the aim is to look vampiric, gloomy, ect.
the whole point in regards to fashion styles like gothic/vampiric is that you visually stand out and are striking. so while it might not be technically “suiting you” when you wear black, it suits you in regards to the intention of your aesthetic.
this is just one example but yeah, for alternative styling outside the norms you cant always completely follow through.
I also actually did a lot of the test, got soft summer and some sort of body type I cannot relate to. The essence then again feels a bit like a cop-out, like 'oh you don't like it? that's because you didn't think about your ESSENCE' and essence then is just again... wear what fits like your personality. I thought the soft summer colours are too grey and boring. So that means I can just pick whatever I like and enjoy and think looks good on me! It just seems all too horoscope-y to me.
I think the kibbe typing and color seasons can help understand the basic rules. What you do with those rules is up to you though. The possibilities for combinations and suble variations are endless.
This is it. I'm enjoying exploring the types. I know I'll never curate my whole look to fully fit in the box, but that's the point. Take some advice you like,.and leave the rest. 👍
@@rubyc1450 I thought about this some more and I think it can be best summed up with that the kibbe and color analysis rules are somehting that will definetly work to make you look pleasant when someone else is looking at you. So a "safe bet". It does not have anything to do with how you feel on the inside and want to express. You can take the rules though to work on your style in an informed way to make it how you feel inside AND look pleasant to others (if that is what you want). I think its similar to cooking. There are basic dishes that will always taste good enough to many many people, but that does not mean you can't experiment with flavors and come up with your own recipes.
Honestly... I went through but on a smaller scale with lipstick. Like I wanted to only wear exciting colours and was initially intimidated and yeah some make your teeth look more yellow and are very bright but also, as you said, no one ever came up and said anything bad. Instead I had people coming over and complimenting me and people closer to me saying they wish they had the courage to wear bright colours.
I still felt self conscious at times but at the moments I didn't, it felt really liberating to just... Not care about what looked good but just what made me happy 🤷♀️
The mint dress looks AMAZING on you!! And I know you said you hated the top you're wearing in the video and you're going to return, but that also looked great on you. I have a very similar natural style preference as you -- simple, comfortable, easy to wear -- and finding my "personal style" is very stressful tbh
Body types/seasonal color analysis are just tools. And like any tool, not everyone needs one or finds it necessary. I personally find them useful as they have helped me hone my personal style. Not everyone will feel the same way. Only use the tool if it applies to you and serves your needs!
Exactly! There's no fashion police. Wear what you want. If a person asks for advice on what to wear, they might not like the suggestions offered.
I'm at a stage in my life where I dress with whatever I feel like that day. I go shopping with a blazer on, I just don't care 😂. The key to dressing for me is feeling good and not thinking to much about it. Love your videos and I'm enjoying so so much the different topics you choose!! Sending love from Spain ❤
All I can contribute to this conversation is I hate kibbe, the styles it tells you to wear half the time are ugly and it’s too confusing. I understand it in a sense where “oh if you have soft lines, wearing straight lines will make you look coo/edgy” so yea. And also I’m a colour season stan, I’m also an artist and the application of colour theory is awesome
tbh I just use kibbe to find people who are my same type and use them as inspiration, also to resarch about cut of clothing that can be flattering. Other than that I follow what I like and my intuition
Oh God, I've tried to understand Kibbe and I kind of think it's awful. The names and terms are .... Interesting - finding out Kibbe first came about in the 80s makes a lot of sense. And I've seen people insist that the Kibbe types can be applied to plus sized people but they're very clearly based only on variations of skinny bodies.
@Lynsey17 I've seen 1 girl on CZcams who goes out of her way to help explain how the typing translates if you do happen to be plus she used a lot of example pictures. It does seem to be pretty inclusive of weight NOW, but it definitely was not when it first came out. But that's kind of why I like it. It's very flexible in the inclusivity way while keeping the overall typing style stays consistent. I guess I like that the format is very forgiving to change
@@Lynsey17 Because yes, it can be applied to plus sized people. Those into Kibbe do not follow the original creator, Kibbe. There are more stylists now who uses the system way better than him.
@@hinnyu7748 Agree, a “plus” sized person here and this system completely changed my confidence in how i show myself to the world. but might be cause i’m a mathematician so i find geometry advice much easier to understand than fashion advice. I like how content creators on this topic (at least those many that i follow) always insist on trying out different things and always wearing what you feel good in, no matter the current trends
I'm gen Z and I also love categorizing myself, guess it's part of growing up chronically online in a world of constant change. The Kibbe system helped me love more parts of my body I used to dislike. I lowkey always wanted to be a Dramatic (tall, skinny, supermodel-like, think Taylor Swift) and my body is so far away from it. But Kibbe highlights the great things about every body type. I learned to figure out what's great about me and now I appreciate my Theatrical Romantic shape. I'm not a femme fatale at all (which is Theatrical Romantic's stereotype), but I'm happy to finally understand I am not "too short, kinda bulky, breasts and butt too big for the rest of the body" and actually should perceive myself as "delicate and sexy".
Part of the whole "I know Victoria's secret and, girl, you wouldn't believe. She's an old man who lives in Ohio making money off of girls like me, cashing in on body issues" gen Z-Millenial experience
i was a complete nonbeliever in seasonal colors until recently, i honestly think that the main issue is that not all color-palette information online is made equal lol. i was so excited when i figured out what colors might suit my weird muted, olivey skin tone, even though in the end i can wear whatever i want. it just gives me a direction and i actually feel like it explains why i buy certain colors that i'm attracted to (like certain blues) and then dislike how they end up looking on me! for me personally it's a really fun, exciting tool that i now get to use going forward, and it'll help me be more choosy and thoughtful about what i buy :)
As an artist, I'm always surprised when people say the dont believe in it when it's literally just color theory😭 Although, one size does not fit all. People will have "color needs" specific to them. Two people can be true autumn but theres still a possibility that they will have "color needs" specific to them. Also, the western/american color palette system is really flawed for pocs. It's can be really convenient for white people as it focuses on your hair color and skin tone but it's a grey area for pocs. There are color analysts in countries like Korea that have their own color palette system tailored for Koreans, I believe Japan has their own system for Japanese people as well.
@@feaww5085 omg yeah I think for me I just saw a lot of seasonal color summaries that were very focused on white people and like every dark skinned person was a "winter" so I was super skeptical 😭but you're totally right, and once I just focused on skin undertones it made a LOT more sense. and that's so interesting about different places in the world having different palettes. I'm half-Indian and it was super helpful to look at where other Indian people fell on the spectrum when I was figuring out my colors.
@@lilamasand5425 It would be much better for every coutnry to create their own color palette system to cater to their own color needs. I currently only know Korea and Japan doing it. I honestly would not recommend pocs get tested by western/american color analysts. it would be better to go to an artist(painter to be specific) that has mastered color theory. They will run down the colors, value, saturation, etc. tailored specifically for them. It's kinda like going back to it's roots since it started with a painter (forgot his name) noticing the people he painted looked better and worse in different seasons. That's how we got "winter people", "summer people", "spring+ autumn people", etc.
Visually it looks like the seasons really do make a difference in how bright your eyes and hair look. Especially those paler colors, but ultimately the beauty of video is seeing how comfortable you look in your own style, I think the soft classic style could work for you, but you look best in what you clearly feel good/confident in :) Also, slay that mormon mommy dress in mint!
I'll just throw my two cents on this; I'm autistic, and one of the impacts of that is I have very little understanding of what's "right" or "wrong" to wear - I just don't have intuition about what clothing is ""appropriate"" for me. Because of this, I've never really felt drawn to dress in a trendy way because I just feel so locked out from that sphere. Because of this nearly all of my clothing is based on Edwardian styles since historical fashion has been a yearslong hyperfixation/passion of mine and I love to feel fancy and dressed up; none of that was motivated by my body type, or my 'color season', dressing in long skirts with pretty blouses is just the happiest sort of clothing I can wear :D I honestly feel like I would have a ton more social anxiety if I tried to dress around these body type/color season/etc suggestions because they just feel so opaque and completely unintuitive from a neurodivergent perspective. It feels like translating all of the confusing and stressful aspects of talking to neurotypical people into clothing.
Tbh I think that if anyone wears something with confidence and/or because they love it, it’s always going to look bomb. That being said, I’ve gone down all the style/type rabbit holes and it’s actually really helped me gain the confidence to wear certain things and try new colors. I know what kinda fabrics and cuts I’m more likely to actually wear and it’s sooooo nice to go thrifting and block out all the stuff I know I won’t actually wear.
I think if you take things with a pinch of salt and treat the systems like a horoscope (fun but not be all end all), the systems can be positive in how they focus on accentuating what you have rather than making you into someone else. The thing that can make it toxic are the people who can’t handle anyone playing around with things or “breaking the rules” 😬
Style isn’t about following. It’s about taking what you like and what makes you feel good and expressing that in what you wear, whether that’s a cotton T, a silk dress, and so on. Ppl forget that these typing systems are meant to nudge you to play around with your own personal tastes, not limit them. There are sooo many examples of celebs not dressing in their ‘colors’ or ‘types’ who look great (like 90s Drew Barrymore and Winona Ryder).
Also btw all of the outfits looked great! I liked the blazer and sweater combo but you didn’t seem to be feeling like urself so I think that’s a return. I loooooooove the green dress and am OBSESSED with the white top, gingham skirt, mules combo. Colors are all beautiful on you. Something I’ve found helpful for me to get away from total dependency on these systems is to look at fits that I already have and really like, and then note what kind of vibes, silhouettes, colors, fabrics they are. Then I play with that. Idk maybe if you wanna you can explore a laid-back cottage core meets Miss Honey vibe thru natural fabrics in solid colors or simple patterns, wrap tops and maybe minimalist t-shirts with sweetheart necklines, flowing midi or maxi skirts, tea dresses? Loooove the chunky shoes too. Idk if they’re in the “classic lines” but I think personal touches like that really elevate a look.
I’ve never cared about my body type or colour palette. I wear clothes that I enjoy wearing, that suit my lifestyle, that will hopefully last me a long time, and that make me happy.
what I hate most about these tests is the assumption that I want my outfits to look "flattering"
YES especially when you know they mean "smaller". Fashion finally became fun for me when I stopped trying not to look fat. I'm fat! And I get to wear cute clothes.
I mean tbf you don't have to use these systems with the intention of only wearing flattering things. There's a lot of videos out there that point out how purposely going against your lines and colors might not be flattering in a conventional sense but can give you a more "unique", edgy style :)
@@elisa9041 It is very interesting looking at analysis people do of how this works when styling people in movies.
I think in terms of looking/FEELING "harmonious" bc in boxy straight lines I definitely feel less comfortable
Not really, because those content were made for people who wants to look flattering.. they do not assume.. that's called a demographic. Making a video about a Japanese cuisine recipe does not "assume" people wants to cook that Japanese cuisine recipe.. but "assumes", if you really wanna use that term, that the people watching it were the ones who wants to learn that Japanese cuisine recipe.
TL;DR then those tests are not made for you.. why the assumption that they were?
Thank god I decided at age 16 that I want to look like an undead Dita von Teese and still love it. It evolved to a vintage and strega fashion inspired undead Dita, but it still sparks a lot of joy for me personally to die my hair black and look into my almost all black wardrobe.
having my colors tested was an actual game changer for me. growing up i only wore black and navy and was afraid of buying brighter colors because they were SUPER hit or miss for me; when i got my colors "done" though, i was able to identify exactly which colors make me feel great (and thus are worth investing in) and which ones aren't worth my time.
my wardrobe has gotten so much more fun since then and my confidence when it comes to fashion has gone up, since i don't find myself trying to make pieces work for me if they weren't meant for me.
@Pamela Falls pure winter! so my closet is comprised of intense black, whites, rich blues, emerald green, electric pink, and bright red, as well as icey pinks/purples. all things (aside from black) that i would have avoided before. so fun :}
Same here! I didn't get a consultancy done but I started to experiment with brighter colours instead of just reaching for black items and my wardrobe is finally becoming more diverse colour-wise. I always thought bright colours didn't suit me but I realized I was just choosing the "wrong" bright colours.
omg can't wait to watch this!! the title makes me think it'd be really cool to hear your thoughts on personality tests (mbti, the big 5, holland code career tests??, etc...) and also the more ~ oomf ones like the dark triad in our culture of diagnosing everyone and...everyone LOL ... just an idea. thanks for all the work you do
One thing about the "seasonal color palette" that doesn't work for me is that I think it is normal for your wardrobe to shift a little depending on the actual season (assuming you live somewhere with seasons). For example, I love green and wear so many different shades (kelly, olive, mint, spring, apple, evergreen, I could probably go on forever). I'm going to wear darker shades like evergreen in the winter and lighter shades like mint in the summer. I don't think I look dull wearing the shades outside my color palette, and oh well if I do.
I'm happy for the people it works for, though!
One of the things I don't like about the Kibbe system is that anyone over 5'6" is automatically shoe-horned into two types. (dramatic or natural) While women 5'5" or less can be any of the 6 types (and more subtypes). Maybe when Kibbe first invented this system, there weren't a significant number of women over that height but people (in general) are getting taller with each generation so it feels very limiting to be average height and 75% of the types are immediately ruled out. I'm 5'6" and I have never felt especially tall, or short. I think I am exactly average. Average length pants fit me. It makes me wonder if KIbbe was a shorter man so he thought women who were slightly taller than him were like, Amazons or aliens or something.
I had that problem. I am taller than the average but my body isn't dramatic nor natural. I felt really inadecuate doing the test, like I wasn't supposed to have this type of body :(
It’s not about BEING tall, but appearing tall. Short girls can be proportioned in a way that they feel tall, which is why kibbe emphasizes it’s about having length, not being tall. Us over 5’5 are in those types because we automatically have length.
@@DittoAPokemon my point is that 5'6" is not tall or long, it's average. I don't look or feel "long". Unless the person deciding is a short man who is intimidated by women of average height. The notion that 'feminine= tiny' is becoming more and more outdated as people of all genders are taller than they used to be.
@@lestranged like I said, not about if you actually are tall, it’s about the appearance of length.
@@DittoAPokemon but all women 5’6” and over don’t appear tall.
I find these tests/typing systems if you use them more like a "how" instead of a "why." Sometimes I wear clothes (sweater and pants) and many people tell me I look nice, and the another day I wear something similar (different sweater and different pants) and people (the people in this case are friends and family which I trust) say that I should probably change. Having guidelines like this help me make decisions about what looks good so I can act accordingly.
I feel like 95% of this "flattering" talk basically means "gets you closer to whatever is in fashion". Just wear whatever you like!!
Thanks for going over this! My partner is in esthetics school right now and we cannot figure out face shape or color analysis. People are so diverse! It feels really arbitrary-- and it does lean into some body shaming areas that I don't love either.
I used to feel the same about body typing. I don't like being put in a box nor being told I shouldn't wear something. UNTIL I found my vertical body shape. I didn't feel insecure about having a short torso and started to understand my challenges in a healthier way. I've saved so much money, have a lot more knowledge when I shop, and used all that to invest in better quality pieces. Can't recommend vertical body types enough!
I found the color seasons really helpful in explaining to me why certain colors just didn’t suit me; I had given up and worn black for a few years. I found out I’m a soft autumn, and knowing what to look for has opened the door for me to wear more colors!
I think you looked stunning in the blue shade of the blazer, as well as the green and pink. You definitely shine in the soft summer palette! Of course wear what you love most though! Imo the seasons are a great start for those of us who are confused and want a guideline for what works.
Since covid, I also only buy and wear clothes only because I have to, without trying to create a nice and cute outfit. I kinda lost the excitement for it. Your video is interesting because I wondered if those tests were worth it, especially for people who don't go out their comfort zone much. The blue blazer and the dark navy dress suit you so well !! I guess it's nice to be able to wear different outfits sometimes as long as it's still colours that you like and styles you enjoy.
ngl tho i was skeptical about color analysis until I did mine and it CHANGED my outlook on clothing! i used to just wear black and now wear hot pink almost daily (i'm a winter). it makes me feel so fun
Just on your last comment about sewing your own wardrobe, that’s what I do for most of my clothes now but it has ruined shopping at stores completely for me because so much (even expensive brands) are poor quality or ill-fitting now that I know how proper fit should look. So now I am always like “I’ll just make this myself” (over a slow 6 months and when it’s done it’s the wrong season lol)
Really enjoyed this video and related to the confusion… as a really tall, but also curvy woman, body types give me conflicting information and it sucks! Trying these days to lean into “dopamine dressing”, bc wearing stuff that makes me happy makes me feel better about my body than something someone else said I should wear based on a type
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I actually think that this prevents us from overconsuming! I love to go to a store or search online and just have to consider a few colours and some cuts or fabrics (When I am grocery shopping I also like buying things on sale because it makes the decision so much easier :D) Since I know my type (btw I am also a soft classic and soft summer) I am so less tempted to look for new stuff to buy because I have the assurance that this is "the best it can get"... helps accepting oneself I guess... This essence thing was a important thing for me because it let me understand why pure classic styling isn't right for me.
As you said there is a tendency to overanalyse things and never stop thinking if this piece of clothing is right or wrong but as long as we chill it's alright. For me it's about enhancing my natural beauty and about not having to think too much about fashion.
I recommed Gabrielle Arruda here on youtube. She often has a own approach and really helped me coming to an end or clarify my style journey :)
I agree so much! I no longer feel inferior just because a certain look isn’t great for me, and it has made shopping SOOOO much faster. Simplified the whole process for me.
I don't know who told you that you're a Soft Classic but I think they're wrong. To me, you look like a very typical Soft Natural which also harmonizes with your essence. You have the broad blunt bones that Soft Naturals have. Soft Classics don't have that. You also have what Kibbe calls soft flesh covering those bones just like a Soft Classic would but it is in the bones where you really see a difference between a Soft Classic and a Soft Natural: Soft Natural bones are yang, meaning they have width and bluntness, whereas Soft Classic bones are a blend of yin and yang, aka they are moderate. The first time I saw you, I immediately thought you were a Soft Natural.
Seconding this!
I'm a soft natural and have been studying for some time about it now, I desagree. She's pretty much a soft classic. Her shoulders are more rounded and less blunt (like, I naturally look way more muscular than she), her facial features are also never too much, she has a pretty small nose (and I, for example, have a wide and long nose, even though I had plastic surgery). Tiffany's body is very moderate, everything in excess would make her look and feel hidden. She wouldn't look like her best self in some wild curly hair, for example, as would a soft natural. She looks beautiful with her hair divided by half, and soft naturals pretty much always look best with the hair divided sideways. She told she has preference for the "casual and natural" style and that really shows in her outfits... Maybe that's why she will "trick" you to think she's a soft natural. The good thing about the kibbe body types is that you can really rock any style of clothing and still make the right choices for your features.
@@EricaCamponogara ok but Tiffany does seem to have some width imo
@@EricaCamponogara assessing someone’s feature is often where kibbe typing mistakes happen because it’s a relative measurement. There isn’t a hard parameter and relies mostly on your own relative perception.
It’s easier to be objective if you work from a counterexample framework.
Soft classic don’t look “dressed up” in bodycon suit and people won’t notice them looking like they’re going to work. She obviously looks like she’s dressed up for work in that suit, and even worse if she wear bodycon it’s just awkward, man’s suit look better on her.
Naturals don’t look like they randomly took clothes from the hampers when they wear loungewear and instead look stylish. She has worn something similar in other video and didn’t look like she just rolled up from bed.
I say she is indeed a natural maybe even more on the dramatic side
I disagree, naturals’ frames are primarily broad shoulders which she does not have at all, she is also quite balanced with her frame and limbs and she doesn’t look particularly tall or short
Really obsessed with the first look at the start of the video! Think the brown eyeshadow really makes ur eyes pop 🫶
I recommend the book the curated closet. It's all about creating a sustainable closet based on the style you like, what you think looks good on you, and what your needs are lifestyle wise (how often do you go to the office, gym, weddings, etc).
I really like your picks! The thing I like to take from stuff like body types/colour types or whatever is more about finding some basic rules you can understand then break to suit you and how you want to feel. Like, if you really enjoy those cozy autumnal colours and feelings, you know the shapes to help you do that and can find the closest colors to help you get that same feeling but in a way where you're not self consciously doubting yourself
as someone else who's been bombarded and obsessed with kibbe body types (still confusing) and color seasons, I think you really look amazing in the colors you picked with your color seasons! I think the systems are a good aide for when you really want to look your best (no one is saying you have to go by them all the time or that you look bad when not using them)! Also, I learned from the systems is say you want to make a statement you can better do that by going "against" your lines or not in your colors. Like say you (universal "you") want to wear black to give more drama or lean more goth or vampy but it's a color in your season and turns out it looks great on you and isn't giving the impact you were going for lol. so they seem like cool systems to play around in to suit the vibes you want to give off.
I’m so glad you made this video because I’ve recently become interested in color analysis ! As an artist, it’s important to know color harmony and color theory, especially with character design. I definitely agree with your classification as a soft summer since your skin tone is cool-toned, and you definitely look radiant with lighter colors. I wanted to say how great your tops look in this video while youre narrating, ESPECIALLY the pink top in the intro/thumbnail, SUPER PRETTY !!!! As you mentioned in the video, these types can be restrictive so just wear whatever makes you happy. I’m supposed to be an autumn and black is suggested to be avoided but I still wear it regardless. Anyway , I hope you reach a point where you’re fully comfortable with your wardrobe. Great video as always !
Color analysis process helped me learn deeper about colors. Especially warmer to cooler tones of the same color, the saturation and brightness level. Classifying these with the typical qualities of seasons simplified the difference. It was a useful rabbit hole as a designer.
Thank you for sharing your experience! I’ve been so lost among all these style types, but after you’ve described everything you were “typed” as I think it would be so fun to see how your friends or even subscribers would style you!
Please make a follow up with a stylist. I think there is a lot of potential and it would be nice to see if there is a huge difference
Hahaha I agree! I wish I had more time (but I had a deadline) -- I could definitely use a stylist's help!
One thing that helps some of it make sense is if you ignore current celebrities and instead look at old hollywood. They would tailor the style to the celebrity and their personality and body type instead of the reverse which happens today. Audrey Hepburn is a great example of how this works.
For me looking into the kibbie body types and colour seasons sort of helped explain to me why I was already gravitating towards certain styles and finding other things less flattering on myself. That has helped me avoid as many purchases of things that I think are pretty but are not flattering on me so I just don’t wear. That being said thinking too much about it is just stressful and unhelpful, and I completely agree with how confusing figuring out your types are.
I honestly love on you all the pieces you bought. The blazer & green dress shades are so lovely for your complexion. As a gal who loves blazers I would say just wear the blazer anywhere - paired with jeans it's still casual, just slightly elevated, outfit.
This couldn't come out at a better time. Recently I've been obsessed with these tests
The navy blue dress looked so good! I feel like choosing a palette doesn’t have to be that deep, like if you have blue eyes then it’s probably safe to say blue outfits will look good. (i have brown eyes and browns look great on me) Glad your love of jeans were validated by the color analysis since like the middle row of baby blues are literally “jeans color”. Safiya’s love of black was also validated in her color analysis and i think we kind of naturally gravitate towards these colors prior to getting the diagnosis.
it's just color theory. i think some people are naturally good at it, while others need to have it explained logically in a way they can easily follow. knowing your colors (and style) makes buying clothes easier when, as you said, you can just focus on a few specific features and not look at every single item of clothing. overall, i would imagine it would save money and reduce the amount of clothes that get sent to the landfill.
Great video! I completely relate to this. Im glad Im not the only who struggles with their wardrobe/style. It is so hard to put together a wardrobe that fits well, makes you happy and confident, and has pieces that are versatile. Ive managed to put together a few outfits that look nice and feel like "me," but I still just end up dressing in comfy clothes 99% of the time
On second 1 and I like this video already just for the great caption. Our online culture was in need of an in depth analysis of such a topic, & for it to be provided by a trusted and known creator makes it all the better, making it not only more accessible to a larger audience but also possessing of a thought-out, experienced and established format/method of research.
People (mass audiences) need to be educated in a way that is realistic to the way we best absorb information in this day and age (through video format) and in our free time: interconnected with entertainment.
Kibbe really helped me appreciate my body tbh. It was quite the journey. It’s not for everyone, but was helpful for me for sure. I’ve put on a lot of weight from several medications but following the Kibbe guidelines has really helped without trying to hide my weight and still looking good to myself. I think if I hadn’t gained the weight I probably wouldn’t have cared to get a new wardrobe, but I had to anyway since a) nothing fit and b) I never invested in clothes that would last anyway. Something I’ve realized is wearing my lines is more comfortable too.
For color analysis, my season is for sure not on trend. Bright winter colors are not as easily accessible to me anymore and as much as I want to like the neutral tones I’m looking back at my older pictures I always wore my colors without realizing (not so much in American clothes but Pakistani clothes offer more variety and customization) and my favorite pictures of myself are truly in my palette. Bright blue bright pink magenta etc. Also instead of getting new clothes I’m working on dying my clothes.
It’s a good photo hack lol it’s like using a filter without having to use a filter. Makes my skin shine and contour in all the right ways. I’m very conscious about my face more than my body as my face tends to be “fleshy” 😂 which is not a bad thing I’ve realized, but I want it to looks its best regardless.
I really loved your outro. I can feel your frustration going through the roof 😅🤗 Thanks for sharing your experience. It'll definitely help a bunch of us going through this process not feel like we're in it alone.
Like any big things in life, this process asks for time to get to the place when you're feeling like you know yourself, your preference and what actually does it for you. Please give yourself a break, you're doing amazing!
I love this stuff. I get decision paralysis so finding a few different guidelines for styling myself effortlessly is a godsend for me
I think it's more like a guide than a rule book . You do you. You just simply have a guide if you haven't figured out your style yet ❤
Personally I'm of the belief that finding clothing pieces that you like, whether it's because of the color or the material or the style or whatever, and wearing those brings more joy than going after a certain look. People can tell when you feel good! I get more compliments on outfits that I wear because I like the pieces than anything that supposedly flatters me.
P.S. The Miss Honey vibe is so good on you, I can tell you really love it!
Well the outfit you wear at 16.50 looks absolutely lovely on you, the colours, the material and the cut all flatter you so well! And it fits your description on what you prefer; comfort etc.
Honestly you DO look good in all of it! Especially the green dress. The colour palette is really working for you.
Also, I"m very similar to you in colours and proportions and I started wearing orange-y eye shadow because of how good it looks on you! This video was perfect inspo for me too. In general I find that the kibbe and seasons and all that actually fit my preferences so in my case they make sense
I also work from home for my home-based small biz, so I can relate to your thoughts about the blazer! On my own fashion rediscovery journey right now, I've found that a lot of fashion comes from adding accessories and layers to an outfit, before you leave the house, so that made me feel like how can I feel more put together on days when the most I do is step outside to potty my dog! 😄 Chatting with my sister recently ( who is an entirely online student this year too, so similar situation), said she feels the most put together when she puts on her fun earrings for the day, and we reveled in how exciting it is to wear a fun pair of socks, making them a feature of the outfit! Thanks so much for making this video Tiff! I'm also turning 27 this May, and had a similar timeline to you through the pandemy, so I'm happy to see I'm not the only late-20s something who is questioning all this too, after years of feeling detached from a sense-of-self.
P.S., if you kept the blazer, I loved it with the sleeves cuffed, and I'd say you could totally wear it with a wide-leg pant (more comfy for WFH than jeans anyways) with those white sneakers and lean into a cross-over of classic biz.-cas & athliesure.
The kibbe system is very confusing but it was made a little easier for me since I am petite and look petite so that helped me to narrow it down to soft gamine. It did take me 2 years to also find a way to fully make it work with my style.
I actually saw you in that shirt you don’t like and thought it was a lovely color on you (before you mentioned you didn’t like it). However, it’s definitely more important to buy clothes that *you* like and feel connected to.
EDIT: I love the minty green dress on you!! Many of the things you tried on in “your palette” really made your eyes pop. I hope that you can use the color pallet as a way to get explore other colors you wouldn’t usually wear instead of seeing it as a set of strict rules.
When I fell into this rabbit hole last year I felt so utterly confused and lost about what "season" I was, that I ended up shelving the whole idea. But as I went shopping, the ideas lingered in my head and I became just more critical about the shapes and colors of clothes I bought. After a little time of being critical, I began to determine what worked, reconciling the discrepency between colors that complimented and shapes I felt comfortable in. Now when I purchase clothes, I look for those colors only and specific items that I feel really comfortable wearing and it has helped me A LOT in purchasing less and appreciating my wardrobe more.
LOVED the blazer on top of the other shirts and I think you're right in saying it can work in general as a sweater for outfits. I hope you keep it!
I have come to the conclusion that, at least in my experience, treating my outfits as fun experiments rather than trying to look "good" has helped me enjoy getting dressed. I don't want this outfit to flatter me, I want it to make me look like a '70s rockstar but also a scarecrow. I want to look like a small Victorian child. I've also found it helpful to have more statement pieces, because they can mix and match more than society tells us they can. I can wear checkerboard pants with a polkadot shirt and a gingham tie, because they're all black and white, and because I did it on purpose.
I don't know, maybe it's the costume designer in me, but I think as long as what you're doing is intentional, it has merit.
I haven’t finished it yet, but I figured I’d chime in with my own two cents- the Kibbe thing doesn’t make sense with my body. It just doesn’t. Maybe if I got officially tested, but who has the money for that. I’ve tried color seasons, but it always recommends colors that are completely different that what I normally get compliments on. I get complimented in stereotypical winter colors- black, red, intense pinks, blue and dark greens. But apparently I’m a muted summer? Or something? Again, if I got a consultation it would help, but that’s not realistic right now. So for me, I’ve settled on focusing on what I know flatters me shape wise- fitted blouses, a defined waist, crop tops, flared pants, and the aforementioned colors, and what fits my personal aesthetic… which is basically a vintage inspired dark cottagecore/goth. It doesn’t matter what colors they claim suit me, if a black top with a spiderweb detail makes me happy.
Your kibbe videos are actually the reason I found your channel! I've had a very similar experience, spent a while in the rabbit hole and came out just as confused. I found that people in the fb groups/subreddits could never agree what I was, but they were also always very complimentary so I guess I look great in everything and I shouldn't worry about it?? Idk that's the line I'm taking 😅 (and yes I've gotten very into sewing lol)
I just went through a big style change in my wardrobe because I was sick of just wearing clothes instead of outfits, like you said. I tried looking into some of that stuff that you mentioned in the video, but it wasn’t for me. I came to the solution to dress like the colorful princess I wanted to be as a little girl, combined with the artsy punk I wanted to be in high school, I’ve never been happier or had more fun dressing up. Wear what makes you happy and feel good, but also have fun and experiment!
Awww yes I love that!
Loving the timing of this. I spent last evening falling down the Kibbe rabbit hole!
If you did go with the palette the deeper, richer ends of the spectrum are not dissimilar from the colors you naturally prefer
Just an extra though…. I’m also wheelchair bound. Most people think that’s like wearing normal clothes but sitting down. It’s not. Stuff ruckles, folds, scrunches up, gets caught 8n your wheels and breaks, bunches up around your waist and creases to hell. I’ve not found a role model yet. We kinda get forgotten. ♿️ 😞
I had classmates who wore leg braces and it seemed that one wore flared skirts to avoid the braces wearing out the knees of pants, which is easier to do year round in a mild climate. I hope you can find an influencer who inspires you and clothes that meet your needs, as everyone deserves to wear clothes that fit and serve their needs.
your personality shines so much in this video xx
I love your peachy eyeshadow, I think it looks stunning on you! It's something I always enjoy seeing because it's such a soft yet inspiring colour! I think the navy dress looked awesome on you, imo no one can go wrong with navy, its a gorgeous colour. The mint dress on its own imo washed you out but if you liked it and enjoyed the way it made you feel, then I say go for it! That is the main thing. The combo of the mint blazer and rose sweater together really worked, the contrast was really lovely. I know what you mean about feeling weirdly ready to go to work in an office. I bought a barbie pink blazer on a whim and I love it but I never wear it because most of the time I am in casual clothes or practical stuff I can wear to the stables. I often wonder who these typing systems are for, ladies who lunch maybe? It's hard enough finding riding pants that fit, let alone in some perfect hue for my type 😅 I love bright colours and these days I go for things that I enjoy wearing, who cares if they're the right shape or match my skin tone! Advanced Style is a huge inspiration to me, those ladies are the bomb and I aspire to be that kool 👌
I think you looked great in all your new clothing. Really these tests just are guidelines, helping those that need that extra nudge or inspiration. Even in your case where you tried clothing in colours you normally wouldn't think of buying.
Clothing is a way to express yourself. The genuine smile you had for the green dress (definitely a keeper) and that light blue midi skirt with white tee combo made you genuinely happy. And that happiness translates to confidence. Nothing is better than putting on an outfit that makes you feel amazing. Even if it's just to go out and get groceries.
Just my two cents. Ps that minty satin blazer looked good on you too!