How to efficiently take out the trash. Feat. F-104G
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- čas přidán 3. 02. 2023
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This video is about the German F104G. In the current matchmaker, it is getting constant down tiers to fight 10.0 / 10.3 US… In other words, the snail has recruited it to put an end to the obscene premium attack aircraft spam.
Thumbnail is a bit more clickbait than I would like, I'll probably change it soonTM. It is still relevant to the video, it’s just not a good representation of what this video is actually about. - Hry
the " step 1 up, step 2, down" manuever is something i unironically use in every single game, and despite everything that can go wrong with it, it always works
Play against F14s and you very quickly chnage your mind
@@DeadThePainterikr, I used to do it with my F100 but after I reached top tier I quickly found out that’s a horrible idea when the enemy team has radar missiles
This tactic works well in the Milan for grinding, go very fast, drop bombs on a base, climb and flank the brainless a10s, launch your missiles and pray, and go ham with the 30mils until you die and repeat
Bro, the amount of A-10's that I find not using countermeasures even though they have enough to shit them out like your average white person who's just eaten 20 Carolina reaper chillies and gone to the bathroom, is absolutely nuts
Funny, I do that wi th my Mig-21 SMT. it's a good strategy, especially for the R3Rs
For the full 2 players that enjoy sim: this plane is 10.0, which means you can face 9.0 when the matchmaker is at 9.0-10.0 bracket. This thing is so absurdly op in sim, that you can just autopilot your way through enemy teams
The matchmaker in sim goes all the way up to 12.0
Is not the sim bracket from 9.7 to 12.0?
@@AZ-dj1ni Not anymore, they changed it a couple of months ago. It changes brackets every 2 days, going 1 br level down each time.
The dart plane that shoots darts
A-10 burger plane that shoots burgers 💀
F-104s have such a simple playstyle yet they still manage to be fun almost every time
Not the f-104 s asa
My F-104J saying hi!
this is the plane I want because it’s fast and it has danger sticks
What a surprise to see interceptors actually working with taking altitude and then... INTERCEPTING... It abolutely dumbfound me to see less than 2 players per game actually going high up.
Mig-21 with r60's are why most 104 pilots don't bother.
@@mchonkler7225mig 21 is an interceptor as well
@@mchonkler7225as a new guy with F104 i am due to my skills unable to counter them at all and just die
War Thunder top tier in a nutshell: 4:45
Your observations about the BR spread are pretty much spot on. I recently began playing the F-4EJ and F-4EJ Kai after having spaded the F-104J. Even without flares I have almost a 2 KD in the starfighter and that was before this mysterious spike in F5C players. Now in the Kai I almost never see downtiers but in the EJ it's a tossup. Uptiers are getting me body slammed and downtiers to 10.0 is literally US vs US where 3/4 of the entire game lobby is low to medium level F5C players. I have no clue what happened in the last week and a half that prompted everyone and their mother to buy that plane but it made my EJ Kai grind just that little bit easier.
Same here running the lazr m and i have a blast in the one in a blue moon down tier but other than that i get bodied by Mig 23ML
Half off premiums every couple of months does that, especially when its amazing for making the grind easier, the F5C is just the best for it imo
im currently grinding F-16AJ in my F-4EJ and theres only two scenarios: i get a downtier and absolutely fucking destroy the enemy team or I get an uptier and I die fast and miserably with 0 frags
@@gerkadas Buddy, its been five months and I'm still flying the EJ Kai. Go for that one first trust me the 11.0 EJ is not worth sticking to for the F16 grind. The only reason I don't have the F16AJ yet is because I don't have the SL for it. Its researched, but due to some unrelated spending I'm too broke to buy and crew it.
EJ Kai is leagues better in its equipment suite than the EJ and can still hold its own at top tier despite being an old airframe.
@@ArcJupiter I would've grinded the EJ Kai, but that means that I have to grind another 400k RP and just the very thought of it literally breaks me. I will 100% grind it, since I'm almost done with the F-16 and I will have no other planes to research. Thanks I'm not broke, cus I have some premium jets and props
After being clubbed by A-10s in the Harrier GR.1 for ages, this does put a smile on my face.
I definitely found spading my F-104S that the gun is just too useful to give up for more missiles.
I killed more A-6s with my guns than any other aircraft
I personally dislike the Vulcan, but there is no denying it is really good at taking out subsonic targets.
A small tip, use the armor target belts instead of the air target belts for the Vulcan. That seems to allow the gun to be more effective.
True dat, when I started advancing into jets multiple lvl100s and pros told me that in some cases armored targets belts do way more damage and are more effective than tracers or air targets belts
they fixed real shatter so air belts work better now
@@psychfoxtrot8815 a little bit at least. Still find them somewhat unreliable so default works best for some aircraft
@@psychfoxtrot8815 Even without Realshatter HE rounds can detonate on the fuselage before going into a critical component, whereas AP will go through and usually knock out whatever it hits. The most egregious example of this would be firing head on at a Mig-29's engines - the HE round explodes on the intake and does no damage to the engine where an AP round goes through and knocks it out.
This also means you can get rear facing pilot snipes because the round can travel all the way through the fuselage.
Now the only HE belts I run are on the 20mm MG151 - Mingescholb(?) is absurdly powerful and the belt has AP rounds mixed in aswell.
@@psychfoxtrot8815was messing with air belts on the vulcan today and was struggling a little bit but its also a vulcan so I was still able to kill
It's fun with the Mig21 as well. There will ALWAYS be at least 3 or 4 A10s not paying attention at all. And unless some dumb teammate goes in too fast at a bad angle and warns them, they're usually easy kills.
i like how 10.0-10.7 arb, is basically an a-10's and a-6's hunting, now. An ENTIRE strategy of this br is to not to scare away those prem attackers in their natural habitat
Man, this channel is extremely underrated. Your edits are just too god damn good dude. This is definitively high quality meme content. Thanks for all the effort you put on this videos.
As on of two "Token Italian Main"s in my friend group, who was on the F-104G when Apex Predators dropped and the F-104S when the BR changes hit, I can safely assure everyone that this is 100% accurate. Before that BR update when the F-104S was also at 10.7, I was getting three kills a game easy. After it dropped it took me three days to get a kill. Repeat: THREE DAYS to get A SINGULAR KILL. I went from occasionally worrying about Tomcats and F-16s being mythical beasts to flying in the middle of a squadron of MiG-29s every match. It was PAIN. Now that I have AIM-9Ls thanks to the F-104S ASA things are much better (though I still only get four of them despite both other S variants getting six Sidewinders, the hell Gaijin?), but I'm still not quite up to "clubbing baby seals looking at the deck while I pounce from behind" levels of memeage any more.
another new good wt youtuber I can’t believe it, you explain things like a 2 hour class but in 9 minutes and make it actually funny and interesting, nice work
Thank you! Having so much fun in the F104G now!
I love taking out trash!
@0:25 unfortunately if you dont have a teamate above you or you dont have max crew +qualification all too often you wont see jets and the missiles they shoot at you from above you until its too late.
You also forget a few extra steps
Step. 4 run away
Step. 5 wait until you can shoot the enemy in the back
Step. 6 repeat step 4 if the enemy tries to fight back in any form until you can repeat step 5.
I adore the F-104J and G, they're both my absolute favorite jets to fly besides the Tornado (it looks beefy I like it just for that) and because they're fast with no turning ability it adds charm to it. I love it.
"If you're one of those weirdos who actually grinded the german tech tree, congratulations you wasted your time..." i feel attacked
tbh the F104s gameplay loop is simply just amazing.
This matchmaker is the reason why I love the marine tornado, the US premium players are usually really clueless and present easy kills
too bad you get only two kills
*A-10A users having 400 flares*
Also them not seeing a missile but spamming them when someone's shoots:
fanastic damn editing.
especially the irony on the beginning clip, marvelous.
So good the edit, congrats!
Excellent edit, u earned a sub! :D
0:22 "Pride comes before destruction, and an arrogant spirit before a fall"
Been watching war thunder content, find you then realize your the same person who also did simple planes content that I also watched
it's been a while since i came here, man you're gonna hit 15k in no time
I have noticed similar things regarding the matchmaker in my Tornado IDS MFG.
The MFG was my first high tier jet. I never really enjoyed planes. I'm just not really good at it. And yet a find myself doing quite well in the MFG. My biggest fear was getting absolutely stomped by F16s, F14s and Mig29s, but I find that I either don't encounter those all that often or that they aren't as big s threat as I had though in the case of the F14. I usually climb to around 7km (making sure to not fly directly towards the enemy to avoid getting stomped because I'm slow af), bomb two or more bases and kill the odd plane. It's quite enjoyable actually (much more so than playing CAS in ground RB which is ironic as that was my main reason for grinding the MFG xD) I try to learn as I go as to not stay a high tier noob, but I feel I'm already doing well enough to be of use to the team.
Honestly quite incredible
I am absolutely loving my kfir c2 rn. It’s funny bc I have nothing but the c2 and the props besides the bomber bc I’ve played the c2 so much. Wish I could get the canard so I could speed grind the whole tree
You just earned a new subscriber!😃😃
realy nice vids thanks for your work
Miss my f104staf at 10.7. Even more stronger. Totally abuse.
F104 will forever be my favorite plane
I feel it's the same story with the German Tornado IDS, it's really not a bad aircraft that's somewhat consistent if u play it right.
Luck of the draw for me, generally I'll bomb a base, lob another 2 on a second base, then switch to AA mode. If no ones noticed me I can do well, maybe 2-3 kills, but if a mirage or kfir has a kill boner, there's nothing I can do
@@Cam_Wight I tend to find myself side climbing to around 18-20 thousands feet and waiting till I'm behind the the enemy and then go in on a distracted player, and then just keep an eye on ur back on ur way out, and it can turn decently well, not low energy dog fight good but it can hold out till u can escape. Is also pretty dang fast nearly keeping up with 104's. I find it to be more like a support fighter for ur team if u chose to use it that way instead of basse bombing.
@@biz_fortress1335 Yeah for sure. My main problem is that the missiles keep blowing up my own plane or that if you roll while pulling you snap your wing off and then Gaijin says you're dead, even if you can make it back to the airfield with no wings... Thing deserves better
@@Cam_Wight your own missile? I must be lucky as I've have not experienced that yet, I try not to pull too many squarely moves and yeah all the tornados could use a down tier tbh
@@biz_fortress1335yeah idk how to recreate it but its happening very often, ever 3 matches or so. I think when either the target is slightly above or I'm diving on the target idk
Great video! You got my sub
Just the legendary F-104G WidowMaker
would rank 5/6/7 german plane would u recomend for playing for fun and what planes would u play for grinding?
mf really gonna heart it then not reply
Are you remember that italian 104S had 10.7 BR for a long time with 6 rockets and much more powerful engine?
Yeah, when he was saying everything can outrun you in higher tiers, I was wondering about that since the USAF F-104 can go mech 2.1+ something the F-16C will struggle getting to unless empty, the F-14 might run it down especially the B version A engines are kinda ehh. Newer jets then the F-14 focused on maneuverability and electronics vs speed. Though IRL you can't outrun a radio and a Aim-120/Aim54
Oh though my point is the F-104g is about 300mph slower
0:22
You kind jinxed yourself they’re not gonna lie
I would say the tornado ids marine flieger is in the same boat, in down tiers it can fuck people up but in uptiers it suffers
Bro this was like my whole game plan with this plane even before the F16 spam😅 I realized early on with the MiG 21 MF how often I got downtiered and grinded the 104 straight after the MLA and safe to say best decision I made. My 60% WR F104 greatly complements my 35% WR MiG 23 MLA 💀
“Step 1. Up
Step 2. Down”
Or as I like to call it when ever I use any F104
*the ICBM tactic.*
I've found the F-104C at 9.3 to be unable to replicate this as it has no flares and keeps getting eaten by AV-8 premiums and the like while its own missiles rarely make hits on anything moving at all.
what things should i buy in warthunder no a10 av8a and f4s already got even tho already have 4j golden eagles or ground stuff?
I wouldnt say I wasted my time grinding the german tech tree because I had fun. Also mig 29 typhoon and f35s in the future isnt too bad
We’ll both have grandchildren by the time the F35 comes to WT
That Dutch airforce F-104 is chef's kiss
1:24 you crashed after that didnt you
I am so bummed the f104 for itialy with the 6 aim9s just got uptiered to 11.0 I was so excited to play it at 10.7 si ce they get down tiered all the time
Very nice video! I learned things from this and i thank you. So i can take it thast the F104 TAF at 11.0 will get CRUSHED by everything it comes across right? Please let me know. Just Subbed!
Absolutely not worth 70 bucks, even not sure about 35 when it's on sale. But then again if you want to grind out Italy you don't have much choice...
Since we are on the topic of 10.7, what do you think of the Kfir canard? Isn't it like a mig 21 MF but with potential bombing capability?
Where do you get that dutch airforce decal?
I put a link to it in the description
Excited to get this one soon… in the future
Good editing and sealclubbing A-10s...here take a sub
Thanks for the sub!
This is all I’ve been doing the past week on warthunder and it’s been a meme
Same basic procedure you can use with Mirage IIIC with rocket booster.
but it's way trickier to 9b an A-10- but win some loose some- you can get 530E (the IR guided one) to kill unsuspecting idiots from miles away, while being to dodge enyone you cannot outrun.
I basically just do the same thing with the F-4F Early a lot, it’s hilarious how oblivious a lot of those premium players are 😂
the f-104 g has everything thats horrible,but when you put it all together,its great lol
Me who is at 1.7 watching this video: *"I N T E R E S T I N G"*
Save yourself while you still can...
/s
Lovely video
3:15 AcTUally 🤓 The Vautour at 8.3 would be the one with 5 - 10 business days of turn radius.
THAT SHITTY PLANE OF THE F-86K IS BETWEEN ME AND THIS BEAUTY AHHHHHH
Gaijin is so funny, the Italian and Chineese F-104s are objectively worse but are kept at the same br, they should be brought down to 10.3
How’d you make that Dutch roundel?
I downloaded a user skin. There should be a link in the description.
Speed is life.
If only the repair cost wasn't absolutely outlandish I would fly it more
it’s pretty cool to use it in ground rb as cas I have made some short clip compilation of me crashing
man you forgot the F-104J and yet still sitting at 10.7 LMAO
_Epik WarThunder Video_
At this point, high tier is a place for farming. I play low tier because it’s the only place where I can meet other players who KNOW how to fly a damn plane.
Is this also a effective strategy with the F4F?
Yes! If anything the F4F is the better plane in almost every way. Its slightly slower and has slighlty worse climb rate. But its still fast, and it still climbs very well.
Meanwhile me doing the same thing in tornado ids
@@WalvisYT and it’s cheaper
This exactly what I do right now, but I do it with the J35XS. Climb up to 8000m, get behind the slowest A-10 or A-6 and orbital strike them into oblivion.
question, would you rather play the f104g or the mig 21mf?
I have the smt which is the soviet mf same everything except thrust but i can tell you the mf is better than the f104 because not only is it 10.3 (lower br) it goes almost as fast and you can turn fight most thing meaning it doesnt become a ohh well now i just run or J out because i cant dogfight when youre out of missiles. Basicaly more carry potential but things can catch up to you if youre not carefull. Also don turn fight f5c in the mf unless you are behind them first as they have a slightly better turn rate and better energy retencion but if youre behind them first its basicaly a free kill if theres no one around to third party you.
@@yuki1zz668 thx for the advice
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literally me everyday since 6 months or so
The mig21MF and both F104Gs are certified pr*mium removers
I am working on unlocking this plane right now. I love to smite A10s and A6s!!
f104g mains watching as i fire a undogeable all aspect 30g missile from my a7k:
Me when I flare once and your A-7K is now dead in the water...
Me when flares:
@@p_filippouz real. (i hate the a7k so much but i still play it 😭😔☠)
When the Su-25 came out, I dusted of my fav phantom, the C, yeeted the cannon off, full missiles, consistently wiped all the Su-25s on the enemy team id they didn't get killed before hand
i found this vid so entertaining
This is literally the J35A experience when going against a10
You can apply this exact strategy with the mig 21 mf and you'll get about the same results
The worst think about f104g is the f repair cost
Me when F-104J at 10.7 with no flares. It’s still good, and I can get 3-4 kills with it usually, but no flares kinda hurts.
Uuuhh. The F-104 can dogfight the tornado. Out turn the tornado strangly enough
Okay so apparently I'm being a weirdo as I've chosen and am currently grinding the German tree but with this info I'll say, I sat and laughed at this planes numbers with my friend just a few days ago and now, wow imma have something fun in "top tier"
Just got it yesterday and its actually pretty fun.
Being able to just climb to fucking space like a rocket and then dive on people is funny. Though this plane is very team dependent so if your team dies in the first minutes of the match its ggwp.
gigachad koninklijke luchtmacht camo
wish i was able to do vidoes like the kill montoses with the sound bites lol
yo what's the music starting at around 0:47 ?
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my friend plays Italy and had both top tier air and ground (before the F-16 was added btw), and every time I mentioned the F-104 near him he gets really mad about how he had to grind 3 F-104s in a row and how it wasn't fun going against F-14s and stuff. I mean this is the same friend that plays Italy only so he can complain about playing Italy so idk he's a strange case
Sweet Dutch Airforce skin on your f-104. Is that a user skin or one from the gaijin store?
Its a user skin. There should be a link to it in the description of the video.
How can I stop a channel from appearing in feed?
Why? 😳
@@WalvisYT I don’t know why it appeared here I asked it on a completely different channel..
I'm loving the content
Why did you send the A-10’s missles they didn’t even bind their counter measures yet
Funni
ok so thats why i was having trouble, i was using the f104A and was so frustrated with game after game of my missles not tracking, guess ill grind the lions for the G and try that one out, seems to have alot better armament
The f104 was designed to do what the pilots wnated it to do.
Which is climb good.
While yes, it was an "interceptor," that was basically the job of everything else US-made around that era.
Pilots wanted it to slam into the ground?
I missed that section of history...
@WalvisYT no, goofball.
Slamming into the ground is lockheed selling it to germany as a ground attack platform.
Effectively the opposite of what it was for.
Funnily enough, no other country had this much difficulty keeping the plane from suiciding into the floor.
i did something very similar to this in the J35D except i could actually dog fight if needed
If only the American version of the 104 was this good
8:15 that one got me good,
considering i did exactly that its painfully true
@@dvlx_a997 true but still waist of time.
the F-15 and the F-18 are around the corner, America will be the most dominant air nation for a long time and till the Eurofighter drops there is no reason to play this tech tree besides props and CAS.