When World Rugby's Laws Don't Add Up | South Africa vs Wales 2023

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  • čas přidán 18. 08. 2023
  • In the realm of international rugby, few matches hold as much tension and anticipation as those between rugby giants, Wales and South Africa. However, their recent clash has made headlines, not just for the sheer competitiveness exhibited on the field but for the controversial decisions that called into question the consistency of World Rugby's laws. This description aims to delve deeper into these instances and evaluate why many feel World Rugby's rules, in this context, simply "don't add up."
    The crux of the controversy hinges on two pivotal moments during the match: a contentious penalty try awarded to South Africa and a tackle that has reignited debates on player safety.
    Penalty Try Controversy:
    Late in the first half, with the tension palpable, South Africa secured a penalty advantage and quickly sought to capitalize. A clever kick was aimed wide for Canan Moodie to latch onto and, hopefully, touch down for a try. However, the kick didn't perfectly meet its mark. As the ball made its unpredictable bounce, Moodie and Wales' Rio Dyer both reached for it. Dyer's hand made a clear, forceful contact, batting the ball into touch. The immediate question was clear: did Dyer's action prevent a probable try, warranting a penalty try as per law 8.3?
    But the situation was far more nuanced than it initially appeared. Replays revealed the extent to which Moodie had to stretch and contort his body to even come close to the ball. More crucially, it appeared Moodie may have brushed the ball forward, hinting at a possible knock-on even before Dyer's intervention. The TMO review seemed narrowly focused on Dyer's act, seemingly overlooking the sequence of events leading up to it. The decision seemed ambiguous, raising more questions than answers and leaving fans and pundits alike divided and perplexed.
    The Tackle Debate:
    Another incident that has since set social media and rugby forums alight with debate revolves around Damian Willemse's attempt to tackle Rio Dyer. A change in Dyer's direction, primarily due to Marco van Staden's intervening tackle, led to a head-on collision between Willemse and Dyer. The core of the debate here isn't merely the unexpected change in direction but the height of Willemse's attempted tackle. Given the unwavering stance of World Rugby on high tackles and player safety, the immediate verdict for many was clear - a red card. Yet, it opened up discussions on whether all factors were adequately considered or if World Rugby's rules are too rigid, sidelining crucial contextual factors.
    The Larger Implication:
    These controversial moments aren't merely isolated incidents. They highlight a growing concern amongst the rugby community about the clarity, consistency, and application of World Rugby's rules. For the casual viewer, these TMO deliberations might seem like a mystery as many opine. Even seasoned players, pundits, and fans are often left scratching their heads, trying to reconcile what they see with the final decisions made.
    In the Farrell-Basham incident referenced in Nigel Owens' column, we witness another perplexing application of the "mitigation" rule. Farrell's tackle, which many deemed illegal from the onset, sparked discussions on whether mitigating factors were relevant or even applicable. The core debate revolved around the very essence of what constitutes foul play and how the rules of the game interpret and adjudicate such instances.
    Conclusion:
    The recent Wales vs. South Africa match serves as a microcosm of the broader challenges rugby faces today. As the game evolves and as technology becomes increasingly integrated into decision-making, there's a pressing need for clearer rules and more consistent applications. It's essential to strike a balance - ensuring player safety without compromising the spirit and dynamism of the game. For now, fans, players, and officials alike will continue to grapple with these complexities, hoping for clarity and fairness in future encounters.
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  • @melvinesmith
    @melvinesmith Před 10 měsíci +155

    Willemse is not upright. He has a bend in his knee...whereas Farrel was almost on his toes - big difference.

    • @Ozzy-jv2sr
      @Ozzy-jv2sr Před 10 měsíci +36

      THANK YOU 💯 FARRELLS AND WILLEMSE TACKLES ARE VERY DIFFERENT. FARRELLS TACKLES ARE SHOLDER CHARGERS WHILE WILLEMSE ATLEAST TRIES RAP HIS ARMS AROUND THE PLAYER...

    • @MrStevekendra
      @MrStevekendra Před 10 měsíci +3

      Did more damage from a low crouch than Farrell on his tip toes. How many stitches did Basham need ? Both should be red cards or neither.

    • @petermarklew3237
      @petermarklew3237 Před 10 měsíci +7

      ​@@MrStevekendraExcept Basham failed an HIA didn't he?

    • @L72fish
      @L72fish Před 10 měsíci +7

      Also not leading with the shoulder and there was a wrap attempt, still a very stupid tackle

    • @kristian762
      @kristian762 Před 10 měsíci +9

      Big difference is Willemse is passive, his momentum is almost going backwards, and his head height is still lower than the ball carrier. Don't know if that means anything but they've found mitigation somewhere

  • @hendrikhuman1403
    @hendrikhuman1403 Před 10 měsíci +43

    I understand your point about World Rugby's laws, and that this may be a red going strictly by the wording of the law. That's a shame, because there's a huge difference between what Owen Farrel did and this. Willemse is practically falling backwards, being caught flat-footed, and he is at least looking to go for a wrap. Farrell was just a blatant shoulder charge with forward momentum and even angling his body upwards. Plus, Farrell is a well-known serial offender.

    • @tasanalytics
      @tasanalytics  Před 10 měsíci +1

      I 100% agree with you. That's the stupidity of World Rugby. Now they have to act on this. Because if they don't cite Willemse. Then Farrell's lawyer is going to destroy them at the hearing

    • @dunxx906
      @dunxx906 Před 10 měsíci

      @@tasanalyticsAfter the England game I think they should be more worried a Billy's red for a similar incident to Owen

    • @tomaszjarowicz9879
      @tomaszjarowicz9879 Před 10 měsíci +8

      ​@@tasanalyticsi do not agree. In the case of Willemse we have a high tackle, while in case of Farrell we have a shoulder hit to the face, this is why there is no mitigation for the Englishman.

  • @southafricanplebgamer9192
    @southafricanplebgamer9192 Před 10 měsíci +21

    Willie needs to shut his trap before he angers a ref in the world cup. Last thing we need is one of them having a vendetta against us.

    • @tasanalytics
      @tasanalytics  Před 10 měsíci +11

      I agree. Look, I can understand if the ref missed something blatant. But in that case. The ref was obviously walking to his AR to discuss what happened. Yet Willie acts like Brace had no idea what just happened. That's my issue with it.
      But luckily we had Kolisi. You could sense his embarrassment over Willie in that moment. Siya handled it like a champ.

    • @zoutie-zoutie
      @zoutie-zoutie Před 10 měsíci +1

      @@tasanalytics I love your comment, "we had kolisi" ...

    • @roybosman7933
      @roybosman7933 Před 10 měsíci

      Willie is really irritating. He is not the captain. He must shut his trap.

  • @markjon5687
    @markjon5687 Před 10 měsíci +26

    I'm happy you mentioned the difference between Willemse head clash and Farrell shoulder contact. If you watch closely you can see that in Willemse case he is clearly much lower than Farrell was, the reason why he gets a bloody face knock, his upper left cheek collides with the Welsh players left side jaw and thus causes blood. In the Farrell incident it actually was very different, I just compared both and with Farrell you clearly see him rising up with the right shoulder making contact with the Welsh players head. World Rugby needs to wake up, because it's getting really pathetic now. Farrell can clearly be seen putting his right shoulder into the attacking players head, his legs are almost straight, with Willemse his knees are well bent and his cheek collides with the Welsh players lower jaw, both of Willemse shoulders are nowhere near the attacking players head. What player in their right mind wants to tackle an attacking player with a head to head clash? Brave player I say! But many players attempt to cause a more effective tackle by being ill disciplined and using the shoulder to bring a player down quicker. Intent from Willemse to tackle with his head, NOT A CHANCE, intent from Farrell to use his shoulder, very clear!

    • @mikezog1030
      @mikezog1030 Před 10 měsíci

      Also with Willemse the attacking player got tackled sideways at the last second putting his head in line with Willemse's.

  • @ACET7704
    @ACET7704 Před 10 měsíci +43

    I think SA could win if they play like this, having Moodie more involved, but they should show they won't give up. As an All black supporter, I admit, I think SA could get back at the All Blacks Next Week, depends on gameplay. Also not happy to see the cheapshot King Farrell getting overturned before world cup. Lastly, I think Willie needs to watch his words, because when he speaks to a ref like that, it can become a problem.

    • @watkinsrory
      @watkinsrory Před 10 měsíci +1

      Wales are shite and the team was not a full first 15. Let's not get ahead of ourselves.

    • @philthefluter1
      @philthefluter1 Před 10 měsíci

      Of course I’m talking after the fact but both France and Fiji show how to front up.

    • @TrezenEN
      @TrezenEN Před 10 měsíci

      @@watkinsrory it wasn't just "not a full first 15", it was 2 of the first 15, and a majority who aren't going to the World Cup even as subs.

    • @watkinsrory
      @watkinsrory Před 10 měsíci

      @benbenboi9692 And ? As I said it was not a strong team.

  • @tappie34
    @tappie34 Před 10 měsíci +42

    I think there has been a lot of previous cases where they lower the degree of danger if it's an absorbing tackle, which this is, because Willemse falls backwards into the tackle instead of hitting into the player. I understand both players had cuts, but neither had concussions which is what a high amount of force would cause in this situation, so for me they got it right. I also think we need to stop comparing things which are inherently different even if world rugby can't. A shoulder charge to the head with neither hips nor knees bent vs a head to head collision with knees and hips bent is not the same, even if they're incoherent protocol says it is.

    • @tasanalytics
      @tasanalytics  Před 10 měsíci +2

      Like I said in the vid. I totally agree thag an accidental head clash and shoulder charge are 2 completely different things. But World Rugby's stupidity has made it such that it's the exact same thing. That's why if I'm Owen Farrell, I'm hoping Willemse doesn't get cited because if thats the case. Then Farrell's lawyer is going to destroy World Rugby at their hearing

    • @alistairclifton1286
      @alistairclifton1286 Před 10 měsíci

      @@tasanalyticsI think you need to look at this and learn what the word "mitigation" means. resources.world.rugby/worldrugby/document/2021/03/10/e597c9c8-e852-4e19-875f-18e02e7f7e24/Head_Contact_Process_EN_v1.pdf

    • @tappie34
      @tappie34 Před 10 měsíci

      What are your thoughts on the degree of danger, there were a couple of head contacts last year that they downgraded to yellow based on the tackler falling backwards instead of making a hit?

    • @tasanalytics
      @tasanalytics  Před 10 měsíci

      "Mitigation will not apply for intentional or highly reckless acts of foul play" Willemse going into the tackle high, takes away mitigation. So go read the document you linked. Then also go back to Farrell's case whose lawyer argued the exact same thing. Which is why his red card got rescinded. Then World Rugby stepped in because you can't give mitigation if the player was reckless.

    • @alistairclifton1286
      @alistairclifton1286 Před 10 měsíci

      His reply to you, shows that he does not understand the head contact protocol at all. All he has to do is go to the World rugby page dealing with this issue and he has all the resources he needs to see why Willemse only got a yellow and why Farrell deserved a red. It even has videos lol

  • @edwardmurray2139
    @edwardmurray2139 Před 10 měsíci +14

    Correct me if I am wrong, as far as I know the procedure for when a player spots an infringement, is for him to ask his Captain to speak to the referee about it? Willie's histrionics are going to cost us penalties. Either Willie needs to become the Captain, or Rassie needs to explain the correct procedure, or Siya needs to re-orientate Willie in the change room the old fashioned way. We can't go on like this. It's a terrible example to schoolboys and it's going to cost us points or a yellow card.

    • @kregman6928
      @kregman6928 Před 10 měsíci +1

      Willie been doing that for ages now. Refs are too scared to give citations for it in recent times because of how the public reacts to everything. they shouldnt even give warnings, these guys have played hundreds of games of rugby and should know how to act by now. just send them off. same with the dudes that love shoving and all that jazz. just send them off and it will stop.

  • @reinhardtbezuidenhout1242
    @reinhardtbezuidenhout1242 Před 10 měsíci +3

    What I don't understand about world rugby is that they only focus ons protecting the ball carrier... now they ask tacklers to literally put they're heads in the way of the ball carrier's knees with how low they have to go

  • @TheThinkingMathematician
    @TheThinkingMathematician Před 10 měsíci +11

    Very unbiased video!
    Great work to also include when south african players make mistakes! Nice work and objective which is rare and extremely hard to be

    • @viking7742
      @viking7742 Před 10 měsíci +7

      Lol the Saffas won, hence the “unbiased video”
      If you ask any Saffa to rate the ref’s performance in this game, they would say Good!
      Different story if they lose, then the ref is at fault! 😂

    • @geo141000
      @geo141000 Před 10 měsíci +5

      @@viking7742The owner of this channel is one of those. If South Africa would have lost he would have made a montage with small mistakes by the ref and ask World Rugby to address the situation.

    • @L72fish
      @L72fish Před 10 měsíci +1

      ​@@geo141000 but he did say the ref and tmo were wrong

    • @viking7742
      @viking7742 Před 10 měsíci

      @@geo141000 Well said mate.
      Rassie owns this channel

    • @viking7742
      @viking7742 Před 10 měsíci

      @@L72fish Saffas also said Kolisi done his ACL but his back in a couple of months? They’ve also said Pollard is not part of the RWC squad but FDK said Pollard is fit and ready 😂
      Dont be fooled by the Saffas

  • @WilleWillers
    @WilleWillers Před 10 měsíci +8

    I think this year the World Cup winner will be decided by the team who gets the least bad calls against them

    • @tasanalytics
      @tasanalytics  Před 10 měsíci +2

      Yep, can't remember a World Cup where there's been so much controversy a few weeks before the kickoff

    • @user-dv8wt8dn1g
      @user-dv8wt8dn1g Před 10 měsíci

      Sad to say but it seems like it!

  • @user-dv8wt8dn1g
    @user-dv8wt8dn1g Před 10 měsíci +12

    Speaking as a South-african. The penalty try shouldn't have gone SA's way but I am happy it dit because so often we are on the receiving end of bad decisions. The time for justice has come

    • @dunxx906
      @dunxx906 Před 10 měsíci +1

      I disagree, we want consistency not for 50/50 calls being made the wrong way

    • @user-dv8wt8dn1g
      @user-dv8wt8dn1g Před 10 měsíci

      @@dunxx906 Only if AI completely takes over adjudication will you get the most fair decision making.

    • @nicolaasputter7017
      @nicolaasputter7017 Před 10 měsíci +1

      😂😂😂 justice. Lekka

    • @Jay.D.Smithy
      @Jay.D.Smithy Před 10 měsíci

      ​@@dunxx906 But it isnt a 50/50 call, The intentional knock is clear, the contact on the ball is not. Therefore its a PT unless there is conclusive evidence of the touch by Moody. Atleast thats my understanding the burden of proof was to not award instead of to award therefore inconclusive evidence leads to upholding the PT.

    • @dunxx906
      @dunxx906 Před 10 měsíci +1

      @Jay.D.Smithy There was no evidence a probable try would have been scored you can see it touched Moodey. The ball changes its rotation. Yellow stands for cynical unprofessional act though

  • @jonboy2950
    @jonboy2950 Před 10 měsíci +8

    For the penatly try incident, if the TMO had then watched it again at full speed after all the slo mo, its easier to see the changes in motion of the ball at full speed and they would then have a clear picture of the incident and be able to make a better ruling. For me it was yellow card but no try.

    • @johnsmithwinkwink1704
      @johnsmithwinkwink1704 Před 10 měsíci +3

      I'm a Bok fan and yep no try but we'll take the other 7 tries.

    • @davidneal6025
      @davidneal6025 Před 10 měsíci

      I think both Pen Try and yellow was harsh, considering that they had already made the decision that he had 'intentionally knocked it onto touch' when it had been knocked forward milliseconds before contact?
      The ref and TMO had a debate about it. IMO, as a neutral, thought it was knocked on first.
      The ref made no reconsideration of his initial thought. Neither did he take into account the proximity of the touchline. The defender has a right to challenge for a loose ball, especially when attempting to stop a try. It was knocked back out of the hands of the attacker, not clearly to put it out, just to stop the winger scoring. Given as a penalty, it lead to all that followed.
      SA were always winning. The young Wales side did OK. This was not a crucial factor.

    • @grantcallaway2130
      @grantcallaway2130 Před 10 měsíci

      This is why I think there should be a benefit of the doubt law. "In 50/50 calls where it is impossible to be sure either way, benefit of the doubt goes to the attacking team". Or it could go to the defending team. Either way, the law would help to get consistency.
      First, the knock-on. Did Moodie touch the ball? Very close, hard to tell, but probably, yes.
      Did the ball GO FORWARD from his hand?? The ball bounced backwards (which is where he overran it in the first place), and the ball went behind him after contact. So was it a knock on?? I wouldnt want to put money on it. Theres certainly no CLEAR EVIDENCE of a knock on.
      So then it goes on to the next action. 100% cynical foul play. No question of yellow.
      Now the penalty try. You have to ignore the foul play action. Pretend the defender is not there at all, and the ball was not hit into touch.
      If we assume there was no knock on, we have to assume the ball would have landed short of the tryline, with Moody well into the try area and cover defenders on route. He may have turned and recovered the ball, but not likely them score.
      If the ball landed in the try area, he could still have turned and jumped on it...but that would suggest an original knock on.
      I think a fair call would be no knock on (no clear evidence), yellow card (100%), no penalty try (too much doubt).

  • @robertedwards3551
    @robertedwards3551 Před 10 měsíci

    I've never disagreed with any of you r analysis, really good work, thank you.

  • @andresdeks
    @andresdeks Před 10 měsíci +2

    Agree with you on the knock on and no penalty try
    Willemse head collision is not the same as Farrel, bent at knees, arms wrapped and fell backwards.
    I think that the Boks to play NZ as an exhibition match, no such thing between these sides it will be as hard as always, before the WC is just madness. Chances of players on either side getting injured is high and for what, so that WR can get more income?

  • @user-fz7yp3xk6w
    @user-fz7yp3xk6w Před 10 měsíci +1

    Thanks again for your review.I can honestly say that Willie is a very passionate player and he was first on the scene.Willie has also cemented his place in the team as a veteran for Springbok rugby.He is only looking out for the junior players in the team ,like Arendse and Moodie and they look up to Willie . In regards to Damian,I think even the suggestion of putting him in the same bracket as Owen is rediculous.Damian is not a repeat offender,check his history.He knows how to tackle,you can ask Caleb Clarke.He also bends his knees in footage ,Accidental head clash.
    Yellow only. Fantastic performance by Springboks.Lekker Boys

  • @GS-zo4pr
    @GS-zo4pr Před 10 měsíci +1

    As a South African I can only say that the penalty try were absolutely the worst decision made in this game

  • @loots0533
    @loots0533 Před 10 měsíci

    The starting point is was there foul play from the tackle. The answer is no, Willemse knees where bent and he tried to wrap his hands. This is different to the Farrell case where he lead with the shoulder, was always high and made no attempt to wrap.
    In Willemse case mitigation can be applied to the high shot because his actions where not illegal, although it resulted in a head on head clash. A the tackler, he has responsibility for avoiding such contact.
    In Willemse case, mitigation can be applied. The threshold from red to yellow can be applied for 2 reasons. 1) There is a late change of direction also impacted by #20 tackle. 2) There is not a high degree of danger, as Willemse tried to implement an absorbing tackle rather than to try to knock Dwyer backwards.
    Therefore, Willemse tackle is always a yellow.
    It ridiculous to compare it to Farrells and make a case it.

  • @gwynfrynevans6467
    @gwynfrynevans6467 Před 10 měsíci +2

    I don’t think I understand the laws anymore but that doesn’t matter. What is worrying is that the officials don’t understand them. Everyone in the stadium, and those who would have been listening to a radio broadcast, if there had been one, saw what happened but officials go through a forensic analysis of events and still arrive at a decision which is wrong. And, to plant further doubt in the minds of those officiating, someone overturns a decision at a distance (of time), even when they get it right.

  • @markdanielleanderson4323
    @markdanielleanderson4323 Před 10 měsíci +2

    For me the penalty try was correct. There was just too much looking into it when the solution is very simple. The player committing fowl play on the try line is taken out of the equation as a defender. So they are effectively non existent in such a scenario. We've even seen examples of this on the channel in the past.
    So taking the offending player out of the picture there is grounds for an argument that had that player not been there there would have been no pressure on Moody and thus he could've taken the ball cleanly or at the very least a possibility to regather it. Just my 2 cents on the situation ☺

  • @teeboxmedia
    @teeboxmedia Před 10 měsíci +3

    There will be so many confusing calls during the world cup and some could lead to teams being knocked out.

    • @jeremyreid9582
      @jeremyreid9582 Před 10 měsíci

      Guaranteed … and the decisions will go against the S. hemisphere players.

  • @strikers1985
    @strikers1985 Před 10 měsíci

    Here is my take on these 2 instances. 1 - ball went backwards but Moodie didn't have control and had over run it, so it's still foul play, and yellow card. But no penalty try, so 5m Scrum to SA. - On 2, Damian was high, but there was mitigation, Last line of defence to make the tackle, then Van Staden tracked back and took over, That was mitigation as there was no where for Damian to go/move at that point as the player was tackled into him. Another thing is there was no force, he fell backwards on contact as he wasn't propelling himself forward for the tackle, he was in defensive mode and on the back foot. So it's a huge difference to Farrell and is correctly under current rules a yellow card for negligence, but low degree risk and mitigation factors, so the correct call.

  • @pi2592
    @pi2592 Před 10 měsíci

    Key to Farrell's mess was the comittee left out he was never going to tackle legally (no arms), very different to Willemse, whom is bent at the knees and has his arms out. Unfortunately and interestingly we dont have the fotage from the angle on that touch line, so from behind Willemse, as that should clear up the mitigation part. Only with this angle, when there is impact by the tackler onto the BC, you can clearly see a sudden shake in the BC body which is probabaly the push in the opposite direction.
    If you also think about 2 people tackling a BC, they usually place their heads on opposite sides of the BC body. In addition, Willemse to me was planing to place his head on his right side as the BC was cutting inside to his left, logical decision making for a tackle. The BC is a light player verses Starden, and logic to me would suggest the impact was always going in Stardens direction of movement.
    Regarding Moodies contact with the ball, hard to see, "needs to be clear and obvious" for TMO decisions, and it difficult to see the ball moving suddenly in a different direction after his assumed contact.
    Have a good read of the "2303_Head_Contact_Process_EN", that should help you.

  • @TheJunglecrab
    @TheJunglecrab Před 10 měsíci +1

    Good upload!

  • @samoreilly2673
    @samoreilly2673 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Another edition of this video coming after Barnes officiating on Ireland vs Samoa 😂 can’t wait!

  • @christiangerhardt2408
    @christiangerhardt2408 Před 10 měsíci +1

    You should do a side by side of the Willemse and Farrell tackle.

  • @NapalmX
    @NapalmX Před 10 měsíci +1

    As a Bok supporter I thought we were lucky with the try - definite yellow card, but Moody overran the ball. I would have been quite ok if a penalty try wasn't awarded.
    Willie has become vocal the last while - merely because our captains have been so quiet lately. If Kolisi is back, Willie should be reigned in by him.

  • @wihanvanzyl4564
    @wihanvanzyl4564 Před 10 měsíci +1

    I've seen more head injuries to defenders going too low and getting a knee to the neck/head, period. Willemse wasn't aiming high, wasn't leading with a shoulder and certainly absorbed the tackle. If you really want to see head and neck injuries, tell defenders to go as low as possible while not watching the attacking player. Still, definately a yellow for negligence.

  • @MichaelRobert
    @MichaelRobert Před 10 měsíci

    You misunderstood the Farrell incident. Farrell cause was red because his tackle was always illegal. No intention to wrap the arm. If the tackle is illegal then no mitigation is considered. Willemse is different because he was attempting to make a legal tackle. Mitigation is considered which takes it from a red card to a yellow. Willemse also absorbs the hit as opposed to Farrell who drives into the collision

  • @smthB4
    @smthB4 Před 10 měsíci

    Glad to hear that SA fans agree that it wasn’t a penalty try - not that it would have made any difference - we’d just have thrown you another intercept instead!

  • @carl1095
    @carl1095 Před 10 měsíci +1

    What about Wales #14 tackling Kolbe in the air and only getting a penalty against him?

  • @munga1111
    @munga1111 Před 10 měsíci

    I would be interested to see your opinion/analysis of the Straight red and straight yellow cards in the Italy Romania game 🤔

  • @trendingtigers
    @trendingtigers Před 10 měsíci +1

    Can you make an analysis what is going wrong with Scottys beaming equipment ? As none of them seem to get teleported back up to the ship. This could be a massive problem .

  • @phillipvos1623
    @phillipvos1623 Před 10 měsíci +3

    Ya I can't see the resemblance between Willemse's and Farrell's tackle. Although Willemse was upright Farrell drove through with a shoulder to the head.

    • @kregman6928
      @kregman6928 Před 10 měsíci

      there is no resemblance but that does not mean they arent the same. both of them should be red cards. shoulder charges are yellows or reds depending on severity of the charge. but a head collision caused by the tackler is always going to be a red unless it was truly a mistake. Willemse went low then lifted himself back up directly into the welshmans head. thats just a straight red card.

  • @wlk2408
    @wlk2408 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Changing height the right way is bending your knees. Just like Willemse did. The funny thing is that the Welsh wing actually changed his body height upward. Had he stayed lower, his head would have made contact with Willemse's chest, and then it would have been seen as a legal tack.
    This was completely accidental because, like you pointed out, no player will deliberately use his face to tackle his opponent.
    World Rugby must know that any late level or direction change is almost impossible to adjust to. Wrestling is one of the oldest sports in the world, and after thousands of years, they haven't been able to prevent accidental head contact. It is going to happen.
    The protocols and treatments after a head contact are more important. Just like in boxing and MMA players should go for brainscans before every match.

  • @halfstreat73
    @halfstreat73 Před 10 měsíci

    The main difference between Willense tackle is that it's passive tackle, the process with the protocol will be as follow:
    1. There is a head to head contact? Yes
    2. There is foul play? Yes, its a high tackle
    3. Level of danger. In this case is high level
    4. There is any mitigation? Tacking the definition that is a tackle, mitigation will apply, in this case, it is a sudden drop by Wales player, due to a SA 20 Tackle
    The outcome its a Yellow Card based on Pasive tackle and high drop,

  • @markkidman9535
    @markkidman9535 Před 10 měsíci

    @Tasanalytics TAS I know you’re an SA fan but you have rugby’s best interests at heart so keep doing the good work and forget the haters who only think of their own Teams and not the Game itself.

  • @Andrewstuartneedham
    @Andrewstuartneedham Před 10 měsíci +1

    Yup Willemses knees are at 45 degrees, whereas Farrell was aiming upwards and no arms. Also in you freeze frame on the clip you have to click on you can see Willemse trying to avoid head contact.

    • @kregman6928
      @kregman6928 Před 10 měsíci

      he very very clearly lifts his body up before the contact resulting in the headclash. if he just stayed low then it would have been avoided entirely.

  • @UBadmann
    @UBadmann Před 10 měsíci +4

    If you look at Willemse s feet, he was adjusting for the inside step. Then Telekom hits the wing moving him back to the outside. Willemse adjusts back to being upright, hitting him high. No force as he is knocked backwards, but still high. He will be unlucky to get cited for this, yellow card was the right decision.

    • @CaptBadLad
      @CaptBadLad Před 10 měsíci +2

      😂 Eskom not Telekom

  • @TheCryptoSniper
    @TheCryptoSniper Před 10 měsíci

    The argument in mitigation was Willemse may have been in the process of crouching lower, Van Stadens tackle introduced new force vectors that made judgement harder. Thought you might have highlighted Kolbe take out in the air completely brushed over. I think the penalty try was incorrect, he was spoiling card, no probability of a try.

  • @rudolphvanrooyen2655
    @rudolphvanrooyen2655 Před 10 měsíci +1

    The Bunker got it right every time dude. The mitigation for the Willemse tackle is thus... He is bent at the knee and doesn't rise into contact. He absorbs the hit and falls backwards. The ball carrier leads with his head into the contact. Also slight change in direction at last moment.
    Damian Willemse surely should work on his technique. Bend the HIPS not just the knees...

    • @kregman6928
      @kregman6928 Před 10 měsíci

      he does rise into contact. watch the replay in slowmo and you will see willemse going upwards right before the contact. thats why their heads clashed like that. the carries direction change was completely out of his control but Willemse could have just gotten run over instead of jumping up to try and tackle still.

  • @mikezog1030
    @mikezog1030 Před 10 měsíci

    The guidelines says that contact to the head with no mitigating circumstances is red. The mitigating circumstances were that a) the player was attacking player was tackled sideways into the line with Willemse at the last moment, and b) Willemse's knees were bent and he was in a low position for the tackle.

  • @jeremymaarman2949
    @jeremymaarman2949 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Willie has been doing this for years now and it is very irritating. This will cost the Boks in big games.

  • @pacman4568
    @pacman4568 Před 10 měsíci +2

    World referees give far to much respect to some international teams and some players. That is why some teams and players cheat openly and get away with it. The game in its current form is broken and over regulated.

  • @Bobbydyland
    @Bobbydyland Před 10 měsíci +1

    So 3 major points called out in the vid
    1) Willie's taking to the ref. Yeah, all non-captains need to chill on this. Willie either needs a VC post or to back off. This is true across all teams though, a lot of players back-chatting the ref.
    2) Moodie's penalty try. Disagree with you on this, the ball makes no obvious change in rotation rate or pitch. Your drawn lines aren't accurate as the ball is already moving outside them in a manner it would naturally if it was reaching the apogee of its bounce. There's nothing clear and obvious about it. Secondly, the illagal action of Dyer means that he has to be taken out of the equation completely and not just the action. ie. not just his slap, you have to imagine if would Moodie score if Dyre wasn't there at all. This clip from a few years back explains it best...
    czcams.com/video/2wtYc-PPCCE/video.html
    So if Dyer wasn't there.... Moodie scores all day long.
    3) There's nothing remotely similar between Willemse's tackell and Farrells.
    - a) Willmese's tackle was legal except for the head contact. - Farrell was an illegal tackle (shoulder charge) even if no head contact occurred.
    - b) Willemse's tackle was accidental. - Farrell tracks and targets the other player
    - c) Willemse has no history of foul play - Farrell has multiple. (Just saying to someone Farrell did a Farrell tackle and they'll know what you mean).
    - d) Willemse's legs are bent as is Dyers. - Farrell is upright totally, legs straight.
    So yes, Red card for head contact. Bent legs, and dropping player as mitigation down to yellow. 100% correct call from the TMO in both instances.

  • @dairet1945
    @dairet1945 Před 10 měsíci

    What this video and the three man Australian panel for the Farrell incident highlights is that Southern Hemisphere fans, teams and pundits don’t understand world rugby laws and are particularly slow to embrace new rules around head impact protocols. For the Willemse incident there is mitigation and mitigation is allowed because his tackle didn’t involve any forward momentum and is therefore considered passive. The protocols do allow mitigation in that case and logically so. See Nigel Owens whistle watch. Just like Porters tackle on Retallick and by contrast to Farrells tackle on Basham. The fact that Kiwi fans still can’t tell the difference between the Ta’avao red card and the Porter incident further highlights this.

  • @murrayclarke2171
    @murrayclarke2171 Před 10 měsíci

    @TASanalytics perhaps you need to create a playlist of recent head clash incidents, cite the penalties applied and make sure that is available to nations/clubs who can't afford the England lawyers. It is a shame the game is now governed by refs and lawyers.

  • @gregcooper2719
    @gregcooper2719 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Interesting points, but I think with Willemse’s tackle he is starting in a lower position. Didn’t watch the game but did they see an angle from along the touchline? Does the Wales play cut inside or is he running straight? Either way why are tacklers going so high so often, I was taught (many years ago) to always go for the legs, if you don’t complete the tackle you’re more likely to slow them down and removes most of the risk of penalties/cards

  • @guyfromgizzy7774
    @guyfromgizzy7774 Před 10 měsíci +2

    For the penalty try, that particular TMO official has made other weird decisions. Once her mind is made, she doesn't change her decision

    • @commentwell3870
      @commentwell3870 Před 10 měsíci

      For what is worth it, I found the TMO to have stood her ground and told the ref to wait as it was a very difficult decision. She then reported that she could not clearly see whether the SA player had in fact touched the ball. The ref then went back to what he saw, which was the Welsh player slapping the ball.

    • @guyfromgizzy7774
      @guyfromgizzy7774 Před 10 měsíci +1

      @@commentwell3870 Well yes, but even the ref saw that the South African knocked it on first, and I don't know how the TMO didn't see it herself

  • @austingtir
    @austingtir Před 10 měsíci +3

    You just know this WC is going to turn into a farce with these types of decisions. IMO teams will soon be looking to force/coerce opposing players to tackle them high and its going to turn into a complete clown show.

    • @TheThinkingMathematician
      @TheThinkingMathematician Před 10 měsíci

      ALREADY IS hahaha

    • @RanOutOfThingsToDo
      @RanOutOfThingsToDo Před 10 měsíci

      I definitely get what you’re saying. I don’t think we’re there yet, but I am fearful that the way the rules are enforced at the moment, the door is wide open for purposefully trying to get an opposite player red carded. Again, I can’t say I’ve seen it yet, but it is a possibility…

  • @gillmore1830
    @gillmore1830 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Moody was trying to tip the ball and regather, players do it all the time,

  • @louisvanderberg7756
    @louisvanderberg7756 Před 10 měsíci

    You should make a video of the France v Fiji game. With the French 1st try, there were 2 reckless and dangerous tackles from Fiji. The French winger nearly got decapitated, and there was a clear shoulder charge with no arms at all. None of those tackles were mentioned or looked at?

  • @brettandrews4271
    @brettandrews4271 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Completely different to the Farrell situation, Willemse has lowered and attempted to wrap and complete a tackle - this is a rugby incident head clash pure and simple. Farrell lead with his shoulder, upward trajectory with no attempt to make a legal tackle - as Nigel Owens said - red all day. I also though Moodie knocked the ball on and Welsh player never should have been carded and no penalty try. Simple mistakes like this at the RWC in tight games will be devastating to any team in the receiving end.

  • @lionelsimmers8712
    @lionelsimmers8712 Před 10 měsíci

    On your ✌️analysis✌️of the Willemse incident, I have to say it's you that is high my guy

  • @peadarr
    @peadarr Před 10 měsíci

    It’s not the same as Farrell.
    Farrell was leading with shoulder with force and no wrap(the same is true of the Vunipola tackle).
    Here, he’s got his arms up performing an upright retreating tackle, not adding force.
    The first is always illegal, the second is a legitimate attempt at a legal tackle that’s gone wrong and therefore can be mitigated, also as the player does not drive into contact it is considered a lower level danger so wouldn’t meet red card threshold in the first place.

  • @SkiwithMike
    @SkiwithMike Před 10 měsíci

    I was very critical of Brace at the time (I was at the match and we couldn't hear his discussion with the TMO) but in fairness to Brace he was talked out of it by the TMO
    Moody touches the ball first and changes the trajectory of the ball which Dyer then hits into touch and goal
    So first infringement should be knock on which negates Dyer's hit into touch and goal
    No penalty, no YC, no Penalty Try
    Looked like Moody was in goal, so that's a 22 drop out I think?
    Clarification on that ruling please

  • @gregorybeukes2677
    @gregorybeukes2677 Před 10 měsíci

    Please make a video on the two incidence on Kolbe the one in the air an when he tapped quickly

  • @jeffreytan-yf6qt
    @jeffreytan-yf6qt Před 10 měsíci +1

    Farrell is a serial cheater. Period. It’s a disgrace WR is allowing him to get away with it.

  • @valcashman1492
    @valcashman1492 Před 10 měsíci

    The SA player's intention was to catch and grab the Wales player to the ground. Owen Farrell's intention was to blast the Wales player into the next life in whatever manner would work best. Two totally different scenarios, but I get your point as well.
    In relation to lawyers being brought into these cases. This should not be allowed. The cited player and two coaches should be the only people present at these hearings. If they want legal advice fine but not directly involved in the process.

  • @14thMonkey
    @14thMonkey Před 10 měsíci

    Ball misses his hands, it’s trajectory is unchanged. But also fair to assume the welsh player thinks it’s hit his hand so not a penalty try

  • @coatknight
    @coatknight Před 10 měsíci

    Regarding the Willemse tackle: It shows the absurd approach of World Rugby putting almost all the blame and responsibility on the tackled players. Isn't most head injuries incurred by the tackler, yet, according to WR a blade of grass touching a strand of hair on the attacking player constitutes dangerous or even reckless play.
    Willemse was in a low enough position to tackle under the chest but the offensive player ducked and was then forced directly into Willemse's path due to Van Staden.
    This is just an unfortunate contact with now malice. Cannot say the same for the Farrell incident.

  • @pierredevilliers6763
    @pierredevilliers6763 Před 10 měsíci

    The Welsh guy was looking to the line as you would where you want the ball to go

  • @habitatZAR
    @habitatZAR Před 10 měsíci +1

    Further to previous comment - go ahead an analysis the France vs Fiji match, then go and look back at France previous matches, and see how the French TV transmission focuses solely on transgressions against opposing teams. French TV is going to determine Frances path in the coming World Cup.

  • @TheCosmerenaut1
    @TheCosmerenaut1 Před 10 měsíci +1

    For the penalty try it’s not so simple. He didn’t actually change the movement of the ball and you said it goes upward because of his hand but it looks to me like the reason is because the ball just *bounced*

  • @westy8065
    @westy8065 Před 10 měsíci

    So many big decisions went against Wales in that match! The Dher yellow and penalty try is disgraceful, the only way the SA winger had to score a try there was if he could somehow stop on a 6 pence while at full tilt and take a step backwards a voiding Dyer at the same time add to that le roux should of been carded for his actions! Later in the game Colby took a Welsh winger out in the air blatant yellow and more a pen try than Dyers! Plus numerous other 50/50s that went the way of the SAs! Until dyers yellow Wales were well in the game that was a massive turning point! How Joy Neville continues to be a TMO with her inadequacies is beyond me!

  • @ronaldfishley7769
    @ronaldfishley7769 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Agree on Willie's behaviour. He carries on like a spoilt child on the field. Shouts at his own players too from time to time. Maybe it's his way of staying psyched but coaches and players need to tell him to chill otherwise we'll keep falling out of favour with the refs this WC

  • @smartalecc
    @smartalecc Před 10 měsíci

    Good point - Willie needs to tone it down on the field a bit.. (but not too much ;)

  • @filthymutt6029
    @filthymutt6029 Před 10 měsíci +3

    Fair play, I am pleasantly surprised that you actually called out the penalty try.
    Joy Neville is an extremely irritating TMO.
    It seemed as if she took so long to make the decision, that Brace forgot about the second question he originally posed (whether the ball was past Moodie anyway).

  • @munga1111
    @munga1111 Před 10 měsíci

    Willemse is attempting a tackle - low, wrapping arms etc. The first tackle being made on Dyer does create a significant change in his speed and height as well. Also Willemse is absorbing the impact and falling back rather than catapulting his shoulder in to Dyer's head. I was there as a welsh fan and most of us begrudgingly agreed that it was the correct call.

    • @munga1111
      @munga1111 Před 10 měsíci +1

      That said, I can't believe they let Andrew Brace and Joy Neville officiate the same game - blind leading the blind.

  • @user-zw8xj1il5t
    @user-zw8xj1il5t Před 10 měsíci

    Even if there were no red intervention, it looks like green couldn't secure the ball.

  • @dylanhartwig2968
    @dylanhartwig2968 Před 10 měsíci

    I agree with most of your points, Willie should have been penalised and there shouldn’t have been a penalty try… but you are way off the mark comparing Owen Farrell’s tucked shoulder to the head with no mitigation (also multiple offences) to Willemse’s tackle (deserving of yellow, that is the risk of being upright in your tackle) which only has head contact only because of a mitigating factor.

  • @francoiswhite4985
    @francoiswhite4985 Před 10 měsíci

    Apparently the pass never traveled almost 2 meters forward.😂😂

  • @TheAseer2020
    @TheAseer2020 Před 10 měsíci

    I am newish to Rugby Union, I come from an Gridiron football background. Are there any theories about why the officiating in Rugby Union is bad? For example in the Gridiron world, some say that the NFL is in a legal way fixing some games for money making reasons. Example of this is the book "The Fix Is In" by Brian Tuohy, and his other books also deal with this issue. I have always wondered why the officiating is bad, it started with me noticing that the Scrum feed laws are not enforced. I would love to see a fair scrum.

    • @Dickie2702
      @Dickie2702 Před 10 měsíci +1

      Straight put in at the scrum? You need to go back many decades.
      Refereeing in rugby is nothing like the NFL. Not sure how many plays there are in American Football game but it's a fraction of the action by comparison with rugby. Plus we have alot of rules that are subjective and therefore cause inconsistencies.
      Plus they are, with a few exceptions, pretty rubbish at their job😊😊😊

  • @StevenBenjaminAuthor
    @StevenBenjaminAuthor Před 10 měsíci

    Think the problem is Willemse tried to change direction when seeing Dyer come in. He rushed to cover but the timing was off (perhaps cos van Staden aided Dyers momentum).
    It's a passive tackle, mid direction change, so body position wasn't right... The reason the yellow stayed yellow is cos the TMO used common sense. Whereas the laws done use common sense

    • @tasanalytics
      @tasanalytics  Před 10 měsíci +1

      Like I said, I 100% agree that if we only use common sense, it's nowhere near a red card. But I'm just pointing out we need to remember that it's World Rugby, and they ignore common sense. Willemse was in a bad spot as Dyer changed direction twice, first with his step, the Marco van Staden straightens him and tackles him into Willemse. Which also makes it look like it's high force from Willemse when it wasn't. My issue is with the whole "when does mitigation apply" issue, my point is just that World Rugby has made a mess of rugby and now we're having debates like this after every single weekend. I can't remember it being like this before 2015.

  • @franomano7543
    @franomano7543 Před 10 měsíci

    The TMO is the same one on the wales vs italy of the 6n this year. how on earth was she given another chance. This is beyond ridiculous

  • @cameronmurie
    @cameronmurie Před 10 měsíci

    Usually, but not always, the replay will show the difference between an intentional, deliberate "Cheap Shot" and a (less offensive) Poor Tackle that just looks bad. One aspect of the problem seems to be there's not much in the laws or available to referees when they try to adjudicate / penalize on the field between Cynical dangerous play and the accidental bad tackle. In my view both are bad, but deliberate foul play intended to hurt an opponent is worse.

  • @WintonJames
    @WintonJames Před 10 měsíci

    Rugby incident. No malicious intent. He never went directly for a head tackle. Who wants to tackle with the head.

  • @hannokillian7468
    @hannokillian7468 Před 10 měsíci

    the defenders shoulder is below the shoulder of the attacker for that reason he is not upright and there was no intension of high tackle or shoulder charge as there was with the farrel.

  • @LocAfUMATo
    @LocAfUMATo Před 10 měsíci

    Mitigating factors don't apply to actions that are reckless/deliberate foul play, like Farrell shoulder charge.
    In this case we just have a high tackle, to which mitigating factors can be applied. There can be debate about the "significant" change of direction and wheter the mitigation should be applied or not, but it's completely wrong to say that every contact head to head there aren't mitigating factors.

    • @tasanalytics
      @tasanalytics  Před 10 měsíci

      Mate if World Rugby argues that with the hearing. They'll get obliterated. The fact that Willemse is making a high tackle is already deemed reckless. Meaning there can't be mitigation for the head-to-head clash. You can talk about his knee bending. When he hits his head, he's upright. And Dyer isnt falling into the tackle. He has lateral chang in direction, not drop in height. Same like the Farrell situation.

  • @kevinpillay6103
    @kevinpillay6103 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Willemse got lucky that. Tackle technique was not good there and these are normally reds.

  • @DoonaGlows
    @DoonaGlows Před 10 měsíci

    Some of these laws are absolutely absurd 😳

  • @mikezog1030
    @mikezog1030 Před 10 měsíci

    I don't believe that Moody's hand touched the ball - you cannot see any CHANGE in direction or spin before and after the frame by frame. Newtons laws say that a force applied to the ball will cause it to accelerate - if no force applied, it will continue moving and spinning as it was. It was moving upwards and continued to move upwards - no change in spin either. I don't agree that it was a penalty try as I think Moody had overran it and a try was not certain.

  • @yootoooob
    @yootoooob Před 10 měsíci

    You should director of TMO for The Rugby World

  • @MarkBeetham
    @MarkBeetham Před 10 měsíci

    I guess world rugby IS smart because they agree that the Willemse tackle was very different to the Farrell shoulder charge..... Which make your analysis the thing thats not smart....

  • @jksinorbit
    @jksinorbit Před 10 měsíci +3

    Tackle: both players are low, attacker already being tackled, Willemse at least used his arms. In a more logical world, it's a rugby incident... in today's environment, it's a yellow card but they could have gone red in the stupid set up we have now. very different from Serial no arms,high , shoulder charge offender Farrell. Farrell still moving upwards into the hit too.

    • @MrStevekendra
      @MrStevekendra Před 10 měsíci

      Basham had no trace of concussion and played yesterday., This injury was much worse and only gets a yellow? It's a farce !

    • @jdhif
      @jdhif Před 10 měsíci +1

      @@MrStevekendra Surely ur comment is satire

  • @amosmoledi
    @amosmoledi Před 9 měsíci

    It is not clear that the ball was knocked on. You can’t say for certain that it was. Hence the replays over and if you can say you are 100% sure seating from your lounge then you should TMO all games.

  • @NemoNiemand497
    @NemoNiemand497 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Normally these videos are good, although sometimes over critical. This video is wrong in a lot of aspects. There is no Moodie knock. If he touched the ball more than just the trajectory of the ball would have changed, like the spin. There is another force which is gravity that explains the trajectory, so it is not clear at all that there was a knock on. Right decision there by the ref, but the penalty try was wrong. Also, there is a big difference between this yellow card and the Farrell red card. If you cannot see that, then you are simply looking for sensation.

  • @DoonaGlows
    @DoonaGlows Před 10 měsíci

    14 clearly would not of scored that try as clear as day

  • @Dandaniel01884
    @Dandaniel01884 Před 10 měsíci

    Willemsie has no movement, looks more like he was hit by a truck, falling backwards,. I saw Moodie deflecting the ball too

  • @RanOutOfThingsToDo
    @RanOutOfThingsToDo Před 10 měsíci

    Yeah I know Farrell and Willemse’ tackles were different, but my view is that if WR are serious about concussions, they both need to be Red. The messaging we are giving players is as clear as mud. If you want to stop head contact, then forget intent, Willemse was unlucky but reckless. He hits high, and there’s head contact - end of discussion. To butcher something Nigel said a few years back, it doesn’t matter if you purposely ran down a pedestrian in your car, or you unintentionally hit a pedestrian because you were twice the speed limit in the rain, steering with your knees while rolling a ciggy - you can and should be taken off the streets. I have sympathy for Willemse (not Farrell so much, and I’m English) but it doesn’t matter if you were static or rolling back or what, Willemse was upright in the tackle and made contact with the head. What else was going to happen in that situation?
    BTW, not in Farrells case, but is the problem that players are trained to go for the wrap and steal/turnover maul, hence not going for the shoulder to the midriff but the bear-hug?

  • @tryagainmuppet
    @tryagainmuppet Před 10 měsíci

    Look at the 2 forward passes in the games between Fiji and France and and Ireland and England but no picks it up it pathetic

  • @mrbeeoutdoors3213
    @mrbeeoutdoors3213 Před 10 měsíci

    Wales fans can be upset at that penalty try being awarded, but they were pumped every which way in the rest of the game, so it doesn't make much difference...

  • @andretheoriginal1011
    @andretheoriginal1011 Před 10 měsíci

    As a speimgbok fan the penalty try was not a try. He did touch that ball. Is say backwards as the ball was always behind his head. So at most a penalty cause no probable try

  • @tsaki_titan
    @tsaki_titan Před 10 měsíci +1

    I swear Willie le roux is a roller coaster of emotions man tjirrrr, i was confident he had gotten a yellow card that time😤

  • @rubencrous2579
    @rubencrous2579 Před 10 měsíci

    Go Bokke!!! Die rugby wereld en ondersteuners van wereld rugby is bang vir die Bokke!!! Hulle weet nie wat ons weet nie!!! Bring die beker weer huis toe🥇🏆

  • @llewellynlamb9545
    @llewellynlamb9545 Před 10 měsíci

    Willemse was standing still not moving it the tackle so its an absorbing tackle. Van Staden tackles the Welsh player into him.

  • @greenplasticgun
    @greenplasticgun Před 10 měsíci

    Look how small their bloody monitors are. May as well try make a TMO decision on an iPhone.
    Not sure how you compare Farrell and Willemse when the mitigation was clear in Willemse's to the point where if the tackled player wasn't tackled and dropped down Willemse's shoulder would have hit his chest, at the worst.
    Farrells shoulder was always in line with the head. Shoulder to head means Farrell was way more upright than Wiillemse who was initially in a position to put shoulder on chest.

  • @johnyanderson6604
    @johnyanderson6604 Před 10 měsíci

    No try or penalty try...noticeable, how many games that the boks played they've received a penalty try

  • @cyprianborcherds
    @cyprianborcherds Před 10 měsíci

    Siya needs to speak to Willie ... he cant run everytime to the ref why is the captain on the field

  • @leslieseptember6050
    @leslieseptember6050 Před 10 měsíci

    I just don't get it why none of the refs wants to listen to our captain Willie whenever he complains in every game. 🤔

  • @calvinlomax9546
    @calvinlomax9546 Před 10 měsíci

    Willemse tackle he has both hands going forward for the wrap he is actually trying to make the tackle farrell like vinipola against 🇮🇪 leads with a shoulder and trailing arm