Junior Doctor QUITS the NHS ... Taking back Control | Addiction | Future
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- čas přidán 11. 02. 2023
- This is a really tricky video to make, but 10 years after starting medical school, I'm choosing to leave the NHS for a bit. I wanted to make this video about why I'm choosing to take some time away from clinical medicine in the NHS and also just explain how difficult i've found making the decision.
Like it or not, I think medics do put a lot of their identity into their careers and this is why i've found it really tricky to turn my back on the career I have envisaged for myself for so long.
If you are feeling lost in your career or profession, I hope this video helps or brings up points that at least relate.
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Thanks Dan for sharing. I just stumbled on your video and it made my day. I truly admire your openness of your past hardships and I can only wish you the very best for next chapter !
This came across my feed very randomly but I appreciate your transparency and journey that you have taken me on! Good luck and I look forward to seeing your new chapter! Feeling very empowered by this video 🎉🌸
Really rate you for this Dan. The control point really resonated with me. Can't wait to see what you do next!
Cheers mate. Exciting times !
Thank you for everything you've done to help others. No shame in putting yourself first. If you're not healthy, you can't help anyone else. Looking forward to more content. Take care👍
Hi, thanks for sharing this. It clearly took a lot of courage. Do whatever makes you happy. I wish you nothing but the best.
I can quite understand why. What annoys me, is with the recent doctor and nurses strike. All media focuses ENTIRELY on the pay factor. But no one mentions the fact that everyone is doing at least 2 people's work, and working conditions (and internal politics) have become intolerable. I am glad to be out of nursing, but I do miss the patients
I'm a GP. I thought I would reach the point where I feel in "control" of my life but it didn't change. You're still tied to a system that doesn't work and all the related politics of the NHS. I had a personal crisis which made me stop and re-evaluate my relationship with medicine and I've taken the decision to also leave clinical medicine for a bit and look to focus on a role that brings about more of my passion and interests into the forefront. I chose medicine for similar reasons to yourself but I don't think a decision made at 16 should dictate the rest of our lives. And as you said, we will still always be doctors. Just on a different pathway :) I'm 1 month out and feeling happier each day that passes. Wish you luck in your next venture!
It must be difficult to be hated by most of your patients for the amazingly poor care they receive. It seems like you are all trained to warm up your chair, prescribe random paracetamol and nosepick in front of a computer screen. You have no contact with the patients, no will to solve their problems, you just want a smooth way to make ends meet. Go work in a restaurant, guys, or stop treating patients like $h!t. Because this is what most GPs do, you live in a bubble that is about to burst.
I like what you’ve said about a decision made at 16. Truly, what did we know? I remember making the decision to study medicine just because my family said so…and I knew nothing else. 7 years down the line, I have seen the world in a different light, met so many different people, and I can finally confidently say how I want my life to pan out.
So glad to hear that mate. It is a big decision and then all of a sudden you wake up at 22 and don't really question the ups and downs of your life. But we always have a choice and are I think, entitled to exercise it. Its really hard tho and think its all to do with identity / ego. Pleased for you - Subscribe 🙏 let us know how your getting on! BW
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Just saw this reply - agree. I felt the Graduate Entry Medics had such a better understanding of it all and its probably because they made that decision at a more mature age of 20 or 21.
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I trained as an AHP when i was 35. Been in NHS for 20 years. I feel as you do now but dont have courage to change it yet. Pension and holidays keep me there. But Nhs is run on goodwill. The system is broken and needs reorganisation. You are young and can do anything you want. I find your profession is very hierarchical and harsh to each other. They do not show weakness. Well done for 6 yrs ! And for speaking about it. Good luck with all u do. I never normally comment but you inspired me. X
Thank you for creating this video, I am a FY3 locuming and I can relate to so much of what you speak about. Thank you for being so open too! Keep doing the videos
Hats off to you mate. I went through almost everything you talked about in this video from the gambling to the way you talked about the first years of medical school to depression. It's not easy to break free from some of that and even harder to accept it and talk about it openly to people, much respect. I'm now in my final year of Medical School and looking forward with similar thoughts to what you're talking about. Thanks for the upload and good luck with what lies ahead!
Cheers mate- glad you're also in a better place. all the best with the finals etc- Medicine is great but just have to try make it work for you and I'm just searching for that balance. Don't let this video dishearten you, plenty of options out there for medics even outside of medicine.
All the best
So relatable and I completely understand. I am not in the same line of work as you but have also worked for the NHS. I too also had a gambling problem and only recently recognised this. Sometimes I think I’ve ruined my life, and I’ll never be able to recover or get a mortgage. Seeing your story really hit a string with me. I wish you the best of luck with your career. Thank you for making me realise I’m not alone.
Really good to see this perspective. This is the side you don't normally get to see. Fair play to you, keep it going!
Thanks bro appreciate the feedback
Mate, proud of you. Carry-on doing what you feel is right and good for. Wish you the best of success 🙌
Scary but exciting, you’ll go on to greater things I’m sure Dan 🤝🏿
Cheers Tyrone! Appreciate the comment!
Thanks for your candid video. You’re right, expectations are completely man-made and the only thing that really matters is your happiness and wellbeing so well done for doing what’s best for you right now 😊
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Hi, fellow Dr here. Good for you for taking control of you future. I really appreciated your honesty about your mental health and previous addiction issues. Can’t have been easy to do that. Good luck to you 🎉
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So relatable.. after leaving the NHS 3 years ago to work in Australia I’ve never had more control - it makes such a difference to all aspects of life! good luck to you for the next chapter
Thanks mate 👍
what is Australia like @James Wallis? My brother practices in Canada but he wants to ditch - too many politics. Is it any better there?
Would love to know about your journey to Australia 🌏
I think most people working in the NHS feel we are walking a tightrope. After a particularly difficult week I am finding it hard to feel inspired to stay in the job. Thank you for having the courage to share your thoughts. Definitely something to think about.
Dan!!! We worked together in George's. I was surprised to see your video as a suggestion on CZcams and did not hesitate to watch it. I can imagine this has not been an easy decision or video to make. Well done for being so brave and honest. I wish you the very best in the next phase of your life/career and hope you find fulfilment in it.
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Youve decided to control the trajectory of your life. Good for you. Keep on improving. I wish you all the best mate
I wish you all the best - can’t wait to see what you do next
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Man respect for junior doctors imagine doing 5yrs then fellowship then starting to work for 14quid proper disrespect . Man being a doctor is psychological on call
Well done pal, looking forward to your future videos.
Cheers Dan, appreciate the comment!
Hey Dan, I wanted to thank you for sharing your personal experiences and how they relate to your work. It was very insightful, and I appreciate it. I will definitely keep this in mind as I move forward in my own endeavors. Best of luck to you in your next chapter. Defo subbed :)
Thanks man. Appreciate the comments and sub. Glad it was helpful. Isn't the easiest thing but exciting
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Go Dan! Excited to see what comes next
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Keep going Dan, wish you all the best
Congrats, big move, well done, wishing you all the best going forward
American doctor here -in my first year of fellowship for surgical crit care. I wish this was talked about more, so many of my colleagues and I struggle with mental health and other issues during training and to be honest some of the darkest things I've seen were happening in the lives of my colleagues, not my patients. I remember graduation day we all echoed the same thing “I’m just glad to be done - I’m so tired”. I don’t think earlier generations had to deal with the extreme corporatization of medicine like we do, piled on with the ever growing amount of administrative tasks, ever lengthening requirements, and at times unsupportive staff/general public (for example the COVID pandemic). And our profession has never supported any response that deviates from the idea of the *stoic* physician we all have mythologized. So a lot of us are choosing to go our own way and do what we find to be fulfilling, myself included. My hat goes off to you for showing the bravery in this video that we all need, and I wish you all the best in whatever path you choose. You will be just fine, nothing to fear : )
Totally agree. We talk about 'talking about these things' and like to talk about the stigma but then actual action is rare and underlying attitudes don't actually change very quickly..but yeah. Thanks for the comment and kind words.
Not a MD but I work in the US system too. We have our own problems for sure! I'm fortunate to work PRN and choose my own shifts.
@@drdanbeese doc I understand medicine is one of those professions in which you have to put it to 1st before friends family spouse . And I have also realised drugs such as cannabis and alcohol would only add to the stress of medicine . I hope everything good well for you .
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Thanks for the kind message. Lifestyle can definitely impact work, but work can also lead to certain lifestyle choices, can be a difficult cycle to break.
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LOVE your honesty and openness about your alcohol and gambling issues. Respect!!
This is the first video of yours that I have watched. The quality and structure of the video is great and it is clear to me that you are very talented at this. Best of luck with the CZcams and whatever other endeavours you go about!
Thank you man. That means so much. Trying to get some style and structure and this one has been the first I've been really pleased with. Thanks again . Sub 🙏
Well done for being so honest, i work as an AHP in the NHS and it is run on ‘goodwill’ and the assumption we do it for the ‘enjoyment and satisfaction’ which is a crazy precedent compared to other careers. The benefits no longer outweigh the negatives and this has been so much more obvious post-pandemic xx
Thanks so much. The good will is at a critically low level isn't it. Esp with cost of living. Really appreciate your comment and very cute dog photo!
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Thanks for the courage to share your story Dan. I'm a GP and in the last few months a number of my colleagues have resigned due to the rise in demand and pressure which is just unsustainable. Few talk about their decision to leave so openly on CZcams. Doctors make huge sacrifices often at their own expense. They work long hours, nights and weekends while feeling unsupported and undervalued. Unfortunately the harsh working conditions are not conducive to a healthy lifestyle. Its sad to see bright and talented doctors leaving the NHS but one needs to put their own oxygen mask on first before they can to look after others. I hope to see your channel growing.
I really relate to a line in your comment 'Doctors make huge sacrifices'. Completely agree. And I think most are happy to, but currently, the working environment means that actually the pendulum has swung too far, and it just isn't worth the sacrifice a the moment. Hoping things change Subscribe please 🙏
All the best
Self care is really important. I’m sad to see what’s happening to healthcare in you country as well as mine, USA. I left the hospital, and I do miss the old days in the late 70’s and 80’s. Can’t believe it’s impacting our newer docs, that’s very sad. They shouldn’t be suffering burnout this early. It’s our world and the people who are now running…ruining it.
It has taken a lot courage for you to do this video. Thank you for sharing your thoughts and I hope you find your way very soon.
I’m in the process of transitioning out of medicine as well and I agree with you working as a medical doctor in NHS (health practitioners generally can be very stressful.)
Alongside working those busy shifts, I learnt to code and I am now a Data scientist(besides being a medical doctor. Beyond IT, I believe there are many other areas you can find what blends so well with your interests. Take your time, listen to your inner thoughts and go for that next step of your life.
Cheers!
Well done and good luck, I gave up the Law for some of the same reasons. You’ve picked the right time to pursue new horizons.
Thanks Rafael - i agree its a good time to do it
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@@drdanbeese Thanks Dan. Have subscribed and look forward to seeing you do well whichever way you go. Bonne Chance! 👍 Raf
Thank you so much for sharing your story and being so open and honest on the internet… it’s rare. I’m in uni and currently considering going into medicine after , but as this is a recent interest of mine and something I won’t need to think about until I graduate , I have not looked into this aspect of the job. Everyone speaks so highly of being a doctor, that they love it and it’s the best job ever, but people don’t often share the bad parts (maybe out of fear). So this was really insightful to listen to and appreciate this side of the job. As I see more and more people on CZcams speak of the struggles of medicine and ultimately leaving there ‘typical’ clinical roles, it is a real eye opener for me and makes me so thankful that people like yourself are putting this information and opinion out there for potential and future doctors to consider. Thank you for your honesty and I wish you all the luck in your new path.
Definitely get yourself some good work experience and speak to people about it. It is great and you can see some more positive things on my other videos but the traditional role is quite a commitment and I believe is too much for me. Just trying to rebalance things. Thanks for the sub and follow for more videos soon!
I am in major need of control my self. Not having it can affect me in so many ways.
I think you are very strong to talk about this.
Best of luck mate. I was in the same place a few years ago. Took 1 year out of practice to rediscover myself. Subscribed 💯
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Dan, as a GP trainee myself …I feel for you man… May the force be with you …
Yes Caveman, the force is with me - thanks for sending it!
Its hard.
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Thank you for making this video much food for thought for me as I am just about to enter the workforce and already overwhelmed😅
Thank you for sharing! The general public views health professionals as invincible beings that do not have any problems (quite the opposite). We are human! It's important to be honest with ourselves and recognise our own needs/ strengths/ limits. Will be following your journey! (Im a dual-trained nurse who is very tired!)
Absolutely class Dan!!
Thanks 🙏🙏🙏
Thanks for sharing your story in such an honest manner. I hope that gambling and depression will forever be a thing of the past and never come back, and that they will only serve to be used to help others overcome their challenges. And may you have success finding what you truly love and enjoy to do. My son is currently studying very hard to enter into Medicine this year. We know it is very tough but we are giving him all the support we can. We also do share with him the other side of being a doctor so that he can have some balanced perspectives.
Doing the second USMLE exam in my final year. Will be gone by 2024/5. Good luck to you as well mate, we deserve better 👍 They have shown us that we mean nothing to them, so now we have to look over own backs.
Thanks. I think that is a good way of putting it - we deserve better.
Good luck to you too - that isn't an easy route either.
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Congrats on making the best choice for yourself. We only regret the chances we don't take. Goodluck!
Cheers. Appreciate the comment man
Authenticity. Honesty. Enpowering. Liked & subbed
Shame to lose you from the profession, Dan. Good luck with everything going forward!
I left the NHS last year after 13 years as a HCA and Nursing Associate. I’m now a software engineer. Extremely difficult decision to make but it was for the best for my own health. I have struggled since though with feeling like I let people down by leaving or else losing my identity and self-worth. My work-life balance is so much better now though and I feel like I get much more respect at work
Software engineer is way better.
But it must have been hard to make that transition, how did you manage.
I mean u have to start from the ground up.
Isn't it like 4 year course or something like that.
And in what company are you currently working in.
It must have been worth it though because medical field is crap that's the hard truth.
I m a doctor thinking of ditching medicine for IT
@@medicalstuff8417 you don't need a degree, you can do courses for a few months, sometimes even for free... for example government-funded ones in England... I'm a mental health nurse myself and in the process of retraining as a data analyst
@@genevievetrompke6536 i would love to hear more about it ❤
@@medicalstuff8417 I put my pride to one side and did the Code First Girls Nanodegree for 3 months. Their aim is to get women into coding. It's free and for women and non-binary people.
They do lots of different courses. Some are more like lectures. Some are less intense lessons with a teacher. Then there's the 3 month nanodegree that I did. I did have to get through interviews and stuff for that though because a company was sponsoring me.
I won't say who I work for but they're great. Not a tech firm but still a good job.
From the emotional side - it was 3 months of lessons after work 2 hours a day plus exams plus assignments plus a project. It was a lot of work but I told myself it was only 3 months old my life and if I passed then I had a job waiting for me at the end of it.
I also thought to myself that if at any point I hate it then I can go back to nursing, they're not going to say no considering the dire circumstances of the NHS. I believe I was excellent at my job and I loved it so much. I feel much more respected by my colleagues now though and much more in control of my life. I had a payrise this month and it will just happen this month. I don't have to wait for 7 months or so for the govt and unions to fight it out. The world doesn't give us stuff cheaper in the meantime. I also have private health insurance now and it's mind-blowing. Overall I think it's a bad thing that people who have money get better service but that service is so much better that it's crazy - it's removed a lot of stress of trying to get relatively minor stuff sorted. I miss the work, the patients, the social aspect, the laughs, the feeling like I'm doing good, the actual work itself - but I can still do bank shifts 😊
Good on you Doc!!! Spread your wings!!!
Great Video. I am an SHO in Australia. I would say life and work balance is great here, though, this job in itself is stressful irrelevant of which country you work in. Planning of GP as this seems to give me more flexibility and balance. All the best for your future endeavor :)
As an Foreign medical graduate who aspires to be a part of nhs one day…this is quite frightening but really appreciate your will power and honest opinion on this ,not much people speaks out. Mental healths of doctors and other health professionals are often forgotten or ignored, it’s high time to change that. Good luck on ur journey doc❤
Thank you
Not trying to scare or be anything but honest about my own experience. NHS is great and still is - you will get life saving treatment if you need it and it will be a very high standard. However, it comes with some cost on the workers in my opinion at the moment. Every system has issues but can only speak on my own experience.
Good luck
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Dan, thank you for sharing your story. I really do hear you! I am finding myself in a similar situation that you found yourself in. I am working as a physiotherapist in a London trust and find it hard to feel in control of my role which then relays into my life. Working in the NHS is tough for multiple reasons and now I'm starting to look at alternative options.
Only a suggestion, but I think a lot of us are finding that more of a portfolio career where we work part time in the NHS and part time for ourselves is a better work life balance that still fits our values… Just a thought…
I'm in Australia but recently made the jump from clinical medicine to pathology. It's been great. So much better lifestyle. Helps me to be a better father and husband. More time for my own health. The pay is still great. Does slow down my progression to consultant by a couple years due to the fresh start but I think I'm going to be so much happier for it.
I tell people I'll never work in a hospital and they look at me in shock, it's not a decision I took lightly and I dont regret it
Love to hear that mate. How did you get the idea of pathology?
All the best with it
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Got to do whats right for you! Best Wishes
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@Dan Beese I was going to do haematology where it's common to dual train physician and path. So I got exposure through that. Plan to do a molecular haem fellowship if I can.
Alternatively I was looking at genetic pathology but I found a haem path job straight away.
Excited to see what comes next!
Thank you! Stay tuned 😎
Thank you so much Doctor for your Insight
IMO the number one issue with the NHS is toxic colleagues. Worse than funding, waiting times, breaks or pay. So many difficult people to navigate.
Shame you've had such a bad experience. Obviously you get tricky colleagues but honestly they've been the thing that's kept me going so long on the whole.
Cheers for the comment
@@drdanbeese 😂 be honest mate all the toxic power driven people.
100% true. There is a very dark side to the NHS (and I suspect other very large companies/workplaces) that people don't acknowledge
I'm learning that a supportive team is really important to me. Toxic colleagues might be more tolerable if I felt I had a supportive team
37 and NHS dentist here Dan, I am totally drained mentally and physically. The earinings are so rubbish, many practices are just styaing afloat and many have no choice but to go private, Right now it costs us more to make dentures and do certain fillings than the fee we receive off NHS.
Enthusiasm is totally gone and I feel patients are less thankful now
My friend who was a dentist, committed suicide recently.
Myself and some other colleagues have been diagnosed with anxiety and depression, It is so tough
In a couple of years the NHS will collapse, it is not sustainable anymore.
Short staffed, doing more with less,, resulting in major mental health problems.
It was refreshing to hear your thoughts. Thanks Dan
As someone that’s had the pleasure of working with you in passing (recently but very very briefly!) at St G’s, I’m sorry to see you’re leaving but completely understand and respect it 1000%, and honestly across all healthcare professions, leaving the NHS is an increasingly sane thing to do. All the best for the future man 😊
Thanks so much Suzanna - Trying to place you but struggling! My guess is Paeds or ED! lol
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Great decision. I'm far from a Doctor but took a 3 month career break a few years ago and it gave me more than I expected. I'd recommend doing this every few years just to keep going. Everybody has a breaking point, don't judge yourself too harshly, this is probably the best thing you'll ever do
Glad your speaking about this 👏🏾
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hey as someone who's pushing for a career change at the moment: really wishing you well on this journey
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In support and solidarity. Very sorry it’s come to this 😢. From a fellow NHS worker considering options.
I'm an SHO in NHS. I know I might as well change my careers at some point and many of us share many major common factors of making this decision.
I'm really happy that you've overcome a phase and hopefully more cheerful and brighter life ahead waiting for you!
Thanks so much! Best of luck in your own journey!
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Good luck Dan!
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I'm currently an FY2 in Derby. I have put in a lot to get to this stage- as we all have, coupled with the fact that I am a foreigner and studied abroad. I have gotten to a point where I feel stuck. It is tough, but thank you for sharing.
Youre welcome - thanks for the sub. I worked at derby in my F1 year - good hospital. But the NHS is so stretched no where is without stress sadly.
thanks Dan
I left medicine after my first year at university. By the end of the first semester I knew it wasn’t for me and I’m so glad I didn’t carry on just for the sake of it. The academic side is immense and paired with the cost of living in London, especially as a student, was a lot of pressure.
I took a gap year and applied for Diagnostic Radiography instead. It’s a lot less training and as a whole, pretty chill. We’re ran off our feet sometimes yes, but it’s usually for short periods of time.
What I’ve learned is that I much prefer the shorter window you have with patients as a Radiographer. The exams only take around 5-10 minutes and most of them like a little chat with you and are in high spirits, which does a lot for my peace of mind too.
Same! i also quit after a year. What is diagnostic radiography exactly? Is it like radiotechnology? I'm from Germany and cant find this subject when i translate it directly. Do you treat patients alone? Or do you basically help out with the machines? And how good is the pay? It would be helpful because i'm not sure if i'm satisfied with my current alternative
Smart. So many other allied professions that earn similar to medicine. Pharmacy being particularly obvious. Radiology is another good option. Pharmacy probably outearns doctors, as it's all about the allopathic side nowadays.
I can definitely relate to your story. I’m sure you’ve considered it already, but I’ve found psychiatry training a lot more supported and flexible. Would tick lots of your boxes :)
Yeah - psychiatry is a tricky specialty though I think
And don't think the funding is any better - arguably worse
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I am a nurse of 18 years and recently 10 years in oncoloy. I am researching going back to uni and becoming an allied professional. I get it. Biggest decision as you can't imaginenot being what you started... but mental health is everything. You are very brave
is nursing not an allied health profession?
Brilliant video and good luck in your newfound path. Thank you for helping to raise awareness for the difficulties faced as a healthcare professional and for taking steps to change your reality. It's easy to keep drudging along because it's the "easy" option but you chose the "hard" option by leaving and hope it opens new doors for you.
Well done for making this move. As healthcare workers we need take back control of our lives and model what health and wellbeing look like, in what is a very unhealthy profession at this time. I’ve made this shift as a New Zealand nurse after being burned out twice in jobs that were extremely harmful for my physical and mental health (I spent a year on a sickness benefit in 2017). I’m now incredibly relaxed, happy and healthy - also working in general practice. I’ve become quite well off through some other investments, so would definitely recommend following your dreams in this area. You will find that your colleagues who have made big career achievements will be envious of you because of your health, happiness and work life balance.
ITs hard isn't it - we can't look after others when being under such stress ourselves in my opinion.
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As an FY doctor, having 'started' my career, I'm working LTFT due to a sports-related injury but I feel exhausted and demotivated... I can't see how this career can be sustainable in the long-term. I look around the world at my colleagues and see how different it can be, but in the UK it's gotten worse since I first started medical school almost a decade ago.
Good for you. Your life is there to do what you want to do.
God luck with your future endeavours. I'm curious to know how you decided to go into GP training pathway and ultimately decided its not for you.
I think GP was a bit of a last role of the dice. Essentially me trying to get trained because that was what I felt was what I should do. But it wasn't the answer. I just got more burnt out. I think honestly, I just need some time away. Have a think and a break and come back with a fresh pair of eyes. But just even admitting that I need that has been hard to do. Anyway. First steps taken now so we will see... Subscribe to see how I get on 🤣
It's a really tough decision but you did it that's great because internal satisfaction is an important pillar to balancing life. I want to suggest one thing if suitable for you that you are an amazing creator your content is awesome so just start to explore the world and show us your creativity. All the best stay blessed!
Takes a lot of courage to admit you have a problem - thank you.
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very sad to see any dr leave the nhs, you are some of the best doctors in the world and definitely do not get enough recognition for all the hard work that you put into saving lives. doctors are incredible and valuable they should never have made them work such long hours with heaps of paperwork at the end of it. management needed revising on how to make things easier not more difficult.
Very interesting. Thanks. toronto, canada.
Hats off to you for having the courage to lay it all bare. My suggestion is to think if you want to continue clinical practice, or leave medicine completely. If the former, probably best to emigrate to Oz or NZ, where seemingly they still respect doctors generally and you can finish your training. If the latter, many avenues open, from finance to big pharma. Good luck! DOI: GP appraiser.
Hi man, Im a Junior Doctor From Malta Finished My Foundation Training (Yeah we also have 2 years foundation here) I feel you man. I left after FY2 and I just went to japan as my passion is languages and coding. Imight locum or work as an RMO but I am considering just going into coding rather then specializing further. I completed a Masters in AI and ML and I think coding is more flexible and fun. Plus I get to use my scientific brain.
It is so sad that young doctors are choosing to leave the NHS like this. I suspect that you have already considered this but do think about general practice. From this video it seems it would tick a lot of your boxes ( teaching, flexible, encourages diverse interests / portfolio, meaningful interactions and relationship building, contributing to a stable team / community) I know it gets dumped on a lot, as you know it takes courage to defy the expectations and assumptions of your peers. I love GP!!
Stop giving them fake hopes. It is a system that is crumbling, patients do not trust the NHS anymore because it is a huge mess, detrimental to the communities. You are basically telling him "Try being an useless GP, you'll have no stress and you can dance3 behind a desk while people die from clinical negligence"... this is so.
He was a GP trainee for 6 months already! I totally agree it is a shame that people are leaving but if his choices are to 1) continue in a career that doesn't give him what he's looking for
or 2) embark on a journey to find something that will meet his needs,
Then it's tough choosing option 1.
@@DrSermedMezher yea but the first 6 months of gp training is hospital based placements so you don't get the actual gp experience
Thanks for your kind words and insight. Sadly I didn't get to do any GP as was just in hospital. Being honest, I reckon I will come back and do GP training at some point. But want to have something else along side medicine. I think 2 days a week is enough for me.
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@@drdanbeese currently doing GP training at the moment, and I love it. it's so much fun, you really feel like you can connect with your patients, unlike in hospital ward rounds. the only thing im fearful about in the future is the 10 min consultations, however from what i heard, they are in the process of extending it to 15 mins
Left the NHS too. Now work in the medical device industry. Less stress, more pay, work form home quite a bit. I now have a life and my sanity back
Thanks for sharing, you have to do what's right for you. I'd leave inserts out that break audio of the narrative.
Thanks for the advice appreciate it
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Hang in there Dan!
Hey Dan, fantastic video! I totally relate to what you've said here. I took the decision not to go into training after F2 for very similar reasons to you and it took me a good couple of years to come to terms with the idea of not following the traditional medical career path. One of the big obstacles for me was the fear of being judged by other medics (which I've realised will happen no matter what career path I take!) I appreciate your honesty in this video, very inspiring. Hit me up if you want to collab ✌️
Thanks Sarah. Is really not an easy thing to confront. You get in your head about what people think but then realize you aren't happy. Is tricky. It is very true there is constant judgement lol. But yeah let's definitely do something I'll send you a message. Thanks for the feedback - learning the CZcams ropes 😎
What you do for living then?
I left the traditional path 3 years ago and till date. I have not found the courage to talk about it freely with people. I can't stand the judgement in their eyes
@@ezinneerhirhieneeukaogo1439 you're not alone - there are so many of us in the same boat! You can talk freely here 😊
@@SarahNicholls I feel if people were asked did they really enjoy the profession that they're doing rn and if this the life they always wanted, 90% of the people would say No. I believe most of the people get absorbed into their profession due to lack of knowledge about different options, Social pressure or lack of bravery to opt out.
Wishing you a contented future. Many people feel like you and they are in jobs that have not needed years of study but their options going forward are not as rosy as yours. Life is hard and having aims and a control over your actions is key. Do you now know where you want to be in the next 5 years and going forward?
Thanks for comment. Definitely in a privileged position. Honestly not sure. I do want to be more financially stable and I think the fact that the jobs been so tough and isn't that good relatively pay wise for the work stress and time put into the career has definitely been a part of my thinking. Who knows...
@@drdanbeese - Being at the other end of the age scale a comment I would make is for you not to forget that "financially stable" applies throughout your life. Being financially viable when you are young, healthy and the world is your oyster is one thing but ensuring you are the same in old age is another. Providing for your retirement I believe, is an essential part of your planning now. A job that provides a good pension means that your remuneration is a lot more than your take home pay.
I know you will find your way forward but don't pin everything on an easy life with big money. It works for some but not for all.
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Have no idea what having control over anything much in your life might be like, have had less & less & less & less consistently since I was diagnosed with HCV around 2003, followed by years of hell before getting rid of it in 2017, followed by years of hell; trying & failing to recover since then
I’m 2nd year student nurse. Honestly I can relate. I’ve felt like quitting the last year due to how bad the NHS as gone. I was on a ward with 28 patients and only 2 nurses. One nurse went home sick and the other nurse had to hand over 20 patients and I handed over 4 and the nurse was so upset over this again because of the pressure and started to cry! It’s disgusting and I hope the government do something about it and actually fix the NHS because sadly it’s turning lots of people away. If I give up now I genuinely don’t know what else I would want to do though that’s the issue with me. It’s either put up with it and do my degree or do something else. There’s one thing that gets me through my degree is the want to care for people and the fact that I don’t have to be a ward nurse. I’m thinking about being a travel nurse on a cruise ship. I would love to do that hopefully one day 😫
Great video
Sorry to hear your experience. I feel it is even more difficult for nurses as you take the majority of the patient exposure and can be very emotionally draining. Take care and all the best (also subscribe lol) thanks
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Perhaps the bad nurses have driven the good nurses out? When I was a junior doctor, it was obvious that there were some rotten apples in the NS. These must've poisoned the bunch, and driven the good ones to leave the system. And what's worse is that the bad apples were permanent, of the older generation, and unfireable. Same situation in medicine, btw.
I subscribed to your channel because I can relate - you have some great videos! Please do a video focusing on addiction and the less-explored topics among doctors. It's essential for doctors to know they can open up and talk candidly about issues, especially mental health related. I'm at a much earlier stage in life/career compared to you so I'd love to know how you grabbed control by giving up an addiction and becoming more organised... I know I'd learn a lot!
I wish I took a Locum year, realised how much I value you control and autonomy
There is always the now! Take control Dr Devi! Please also subscribe!
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Understand fully. I worked in the NHS for 30 yrs worked as an OPERATING DEPARTMENT PRACTITIONER.,the last 5 yrs I found the job extremely debilitating to my mental health..depression,anxiety and alcohol related problems.... I left on illhealth grounds....I now ,live a happy,healthy life..Ran our own dog kennels business..Life is too short,to suffer as you and many others do...Best wishes to you....
the hospital i provide services for is facing the same thing from what i been hearing from the nurses. lotta docs/surgeons/nurses quitting for life fullfillment
Its difficult isn't it.
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Do you think gambling harm should be in the undergrad curriculum at med schools
As a 24 y old junior doctor also went to Notts. Everuthing in this video resonates me and its th3 saftey of the career that keeps me being a doctor but i dont want to be in the NHS shall try our healtj care in Auz first thats the enxt plan 😊
I’m a student nurse only doing placements and I’m taking a year out at the end of this academic year due to depression and burnout also. Working for the NHS and in london on top of that is so draining and basically drives you mad. No one even understands unless you’re in it. I give it up to you as a JD. It’s really crazy what health professionals are expected to do! Glad you’re making this choice for you ❤ you deserve it Thanks for making this video and sharing your experience 😊
Sorry to hear you are burnt out and hope you manage to get better soon.
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I’m a laboratory scientist in the NHS and I love my job but I signed up to do a job, not the job of 4 people. Now I really don’t know what to do with myself
Its really tough at the moment isn't it.
I am aware i give a point of view that is of the clinician but all the non clinical staff as well are so stretched. Its a tricky environment to work in. Make sure you subscribe to follow my journey and hope it helps you with yours
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@@drdanbeese it’s relentless - we are a revolving door of staff. As soon as they qualify they leave
I work at STG (Procurement for DCT/Women and Children’s), sorry to hear your story Daniel.
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Take care and be happy. From a fellow ex-doctor.
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Well I’m support worker and I was shocked yesterday to see a poster in the hospital that junior doctors earn £14 an hour 😢😮 no fair wage😮😢
I'm a doctor of 10 years too and I'm about to do the same of leave the nhs...I'd love to know what you're thinking of doing next.
So trying to generate some kind of income from a business- what exactly that looks like i'm unsure but will be documenting the journey on this channel so subscribe to follow along.
What Doctor are you? Sad to hear you are leaving but hope its the right thing for you!
All the best
Omg. I am actually from Mansfield and I always wanted to work in Kings Mill. Years later I am working in my country purely for clinical experience otherwise GMC wont grant me the UK licence. I am very well aware that I might change my career pathway later on in life….
Hey Dan! Omg a soul brother ☺ I'd love to connect with you!
Thanks Helena,
Lets get something sorted - also - need to get the sub first lol
Lets discuss a video idea together!
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Im F2 and got an australia F3 lined up..doubt ill come.back