Bill Burr & Joe Rogan - Why You Should Quit Playing Video Games
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- čas přidán 23. 08. 2023
- Bill Burr & Joe Rogan talk about having an addictive personality and why it's dangerous for them to get involved with video games. How they improve your mind and hand eye coordination but it's entirely possible that they'll end up taking over your entire day.
Podcast Name - Joe Rogan Experience
By Joe Rogan
#BillBurr #JoeRogan #VideoGames - Komedie
Were you ever hooked to a video game? 🤔 If yes, which one? 👇🏻
For meeee....
it was GTA Vice City and Unreal Tournament.
WoW Classic
@@BillBurrUniversity
Apex Legends, I quit playing a few weeks ago.
CZcams
Games are cheaper than breakups.
Nothing wrong with video games. Just dont let it take over your life like anything else
They are manipulating human nature for progress ,against you. You make progress in a mouse maze designed to provide a balance between reward and work.
You pay to buy the game and then spend hundrends of hours you ll never get back leveling up on bs fake things. You learn how to play and after you stop playing all the progress and skills dont matter anymore.
@@MeLexdyif you have a job and family that takes up most of your life, there won't be much time to play a video game but whenever you have some free time for yourself you can go into a make-believe world and do whatever you want with it. It's for entertainment you should limit kids from doing it all the time but also not ban them from enjoying all these tools.
@MeLexdy no one forced you to buy that guy. There are plenty of casual games for people that only have a few hours even minutes of free time. If someone wants to dive into a 1000 hour game thats their thing. Cant dictate someone elses life
You could say the same thing about liquor, cocaine, heroin, oxycontin, fentinol, and online porn. Maybe the very small and fleeting buzz you get isn't worth wasting your life away.
Everything in moderation
If you watch the entire video, the point is that its not just about quitting video games, its about quitting things that can be a detriment to your life/career/livelihood. Its really about moderation, self-discipline, and and knowing what to prioritize in life.
Amen brother.
That's stupid; why _shouldn't_ I prioritize video games? What if I don't care about having a career, and I make enough to support myself?
I honestly cannot believe I'm still having these same exact conversations 20 years later. Nobody would complain if I was spending my time working in a soup kitchen for the homeless or something like that, because of how these two activities are seen. I bet I'd even get more respect if I were spending my time painting or playing the piano. But not video games. Even _reading_ would get me more respect, because, you know, psychological Luddite hang-ups of boomers and Gen-Xers.
@@StupidAnon-gn8ih you can prioritize gaming as long as it doesn't have major impacts on your well being. Hell, gaming can even be your top priority if it is your main source of income. The point was that if there is something in your life that prevents, drastically slows down, or even negatively impacts what your health or others' well being, then it may be worth considering quitting it.
Stupid statement, I love videogames how is that influencing my job? Not At all. I rather play videogames then go drink in bar and listen to some looseres and their family troubles. I love games, I played my entire life and will continue to do so. I'm 37 and I'm doing well for myself I fail too see how games influenced my work or personal life. Hey maybe bill and other tools should stop telling other people how to live? Clearly they are not happy and are very insecure if they preach how people should live. Your not dragging me down to your level I'm gonna play my games and have fun you stay salty and moan some more how people should be like you and should made podcast telling other how to live and make money on that. Yes yes so much better than gaming... Every person telling you how to live is sire looser unhappy eith life he has, it's all there is too it.
@@pinoy929 "Hell, gaming can even be your top priority if it is your main source of income."
Why do I have to make my main source of income my top priority? Again, I work to live, not the other way around. I don't live for the sake of my employer. That's stupid.
"The point was that if there is something in your life that prevents, drastically slows down, or even negatively impacts what your health or others' well being, then it may be worth considering quitting it."
You mean like competitive sculpting?
I played the heck out of video games as a kid. Now I'm a computer scientist, and I think looking at a screen for hours trained me for this. I still play from time to time with my kids
same bro!
figuring stuff out 24/7 AND seeing glitches and lags(gives you an insight into how networking and 3d engine works)
in games really helps me on my job as a programmer
i cant play anymore, i just dont care enough sadly
switched to guitar and bass - now thats a hard as fuck video game with endless talent trees)
@@denisblack9897 100%
Same. I had this argument with my boss who prevents his kids from screen time. Games taught me to focus at a screen for hours on end, which is IMO the number ONE most important skill to have success in the tech industry.
Hey how do you like being a computer scientist? I’m thinking of going back to college to pursue a computer science degree
@@denisblack9897I’m also a musician with an interest in programming ! Do you think it’s a good job
The fact that these guys reinvented themselves after the age 30 gives me hope for the future.
* yeah!
good for you
Lol
I certainly did. Got my degree at 37, got into MMA style kickboxing at 36 and was in absolutely the best shape of my life. Some people are late bloomers is all. Gotta punch through that "I can't do it" attitude brought on by a mean childhood. Gotta really step outside the comfort zone.
@@PouchMaster thank you for sharing. I'm at that "I am really fckn stuck and need to reinvent everything in life" kind of point, and reading things like that adds a bit to hope that it's not all lost yet
Like everything, moderation is key. I'm 46 and I play games every day. I also work 40+ hours a week at a dangerous and stressful job. Nothing wrong with unwinding after work with some games and a cold one. Just take care of your responsibilities first.
Better than watching tv or blowing your money at the bar, but then can be consuming if you let them.
So you don't have kids?
@@jonsusc100 Hell no...
Yeah, but then you end up having a mediocre life. You can learn a new skill and start your own business with all that time. Then do something not stressful and that you actually enjoy. Life is already a game, and most people are losing
@@cowl6867mediocre to you maybe but thats subjective. Some people dont want to be business owners or billionaires. Some people are fine with a simple life. As long as im not financially struggling and im supporting myself is successful enough for me.
32 year old lawyer here, married and with a 3 year old, my favorite hobby is still video games, I also like soccer and mma, it's a relative subject, it's relative to the person's attention span. People not having self control doesn't make videos games bad, and just because someone doesn't give you a "future" doesn't mean that you need to fell bad for doing it.
3L in school & I love video games. Hoping that practicing wouldn’t make me say bye to playing. Thanks for posting this.
Yeah, I say as long as you're not hurting anyone, do what makes you happy. If playing video games a couple hours a day gives you joy, I approve.
I am 38 years old, with a demanding job, and I still find some time to play video games
Family?That is where things get much trickier for people..Long job hours never really affected that much of my gaming time as a single dude
@SARYM911 I have both and yes I still play.
Honestly, the biggest reason I don't play as much as I could is because they make them so fucking long. 70% finished with ff16 and I'm 40 hours in! I hate it and have always held the belief the main story should stop at about 25. Gow is a great example, I put 80 hours into that game but could have easily finished it in less that half that time.
Game length is this weird thing where I seem to be the minority who want shorter games with more depth. The longer the game the more time to realize it's flaws and those small little annoying things you didn't like when you started, become a bigger problem the longer you play.
@@devinkipp4344 I still like long games, I just need a very very long time to finish them. Red dead redemption 2 took me almost a year, the same for Ghost of Tsushima. I started playing that last Summer and I finished it now...
@@SARYM911 I am married with a kid on way now. I guess with kids it will be harder, but I do not plan to stop.
You sir are an inspiration for younger men like me to stay in their Counter Strike clans
imagine if Joe could have live streamed all those old school quake sessions.
Quake 2 got remastered so he can start now!
With his T1 line he probably enjoyed stomping people with ping advantage, most players had dial up modem back then. Soon as more people got broadband he probably got stomped a lot more prompting him to quit instead of getting better.
@@Mike-nf6nf I think it was Quake 3 that Joe played. A Nightdive remaster of Quake 3 with the level of quality they gave the Quake 2 remaster would be amazing. Probably too similar to Quake Live for it to actually happen, but I hope it happens.
Those Quake chat rooms wrote Urban Dictionary folks
After 28 years in game development, I consider myself to be an addict who happened to get in on the manufacturing side. Prior to working in the industry, I would spend most of my waking hours thinking about the games I'd play for a few hours each night. My advice to younger folks is Don't Do It! But if you can't help yourself, get a job in the video game industry and use your hours of Game Thought to help advance our art.
Just trying to understand your train of thought….your saying to “perpetuate the addiction”?
Solid advice right there
i think he is trying to say to manipulate your addiction into a form that at least is making you profit instead of only providing you with dopamine@@jacobterpstra7490
@@jacobterpstra7490like Stan Lee says.....
If you do something you love , you don't work a day in your life
XD So it's a poison to avoid and sudenly also art that should be cherish?
I don't think there's anything wrong with playing video games as long as you balance it out with the rest of your life properly and do it in moderation. Then, it can be a really great stress reliever and even a fun activity with your friends if you're playing a multi-player game like Mario Kart or something.
There’s really nothing wrong with it as long as you don’t make it a number 1 priority in life over your job or kids etc. gaming is just another way to pass the time for me and decompress. It’s always helped get my mind off of stressful things I would dwell on. It really is like the ultimate therapy in my opinion
@@JustinLodes Yeah. Hell, you could even play games with your kids to bond with them more. Now you've got fun, bonding with your kids, and memories that'll last.
@@JustinLodes If you have kids, I agree, but my _job_ ? I work to live, I don't live to work.
Not when you are about to win and you get that blue shell sent at ya, that is enough to make any man rage 😂
That’s the problem. Gaming is more addictive than ever now and many people can’t balance their time correctly
I appreciate that they speak about this from their own first-hand experiences rather than just being from a cynical perspective, it's all said from an honest and sincere viewpoint
I became a programmer because of video games, was working in my family's pizza place bored out of my mind. Learned how to download games on our POS system, the register computer, got bored of that because of the limitations of those computers. So I learned to modify the games hence putting me on the track to become a programmer. Now I make almost 200k, US job, US salary in a cheap european country where everything is 5-10x cheaper. Video games are the reason I can live this life
amazing man! care to elaborate further how you did it? Working for a US company as a European sounds like a dream come true.
hey, software engineer major here- many of the programming jobs don’t require you to be too close to the job meetings (if any inperson), so most r online , thus making salary online being able to live in many other places. depends on the company of course but it’s common to have this
I remember when I was about 25 I decided to quit gaming forever.
It was about the time GTA 5 had been out for approximately 2 years.
I’d game for hours and smoke a lot of weed doing so.
It got so repetitive I’d lay there high staring out the window in the early hours of the morning wondering why I would play a real life simulation game like GTA, was actually madness which I started to acknowledge.
The tipping point was when I started dated a girl much older than I was who I like so very much. I was actually embarrassed to be still gaming so the first time she came over to my place I remember frantically packing my Xbox and games away.
It never came back out of the closet after that.
I realised in my spare time I hadn’t achieved any real life skills which led me on the wildest journey I still ride till this day 10 years later.
I bought a motorcycle and got my motorcycle licence,
I learnt how to go fishing, I fell in love with hiking and camping.
I realised that I was actually playing the real life game of life which was much harder and more satisfying than any video game there was.
My skills amounted to me combining my new hobbies. I now do multi day back packing hikes while hunting some of the hardest species of deer the country has to find.
I ride my Harley across the countryside camping, staying in new towns and meeting new people. My life became so rich.
For anyone wanting advice to move away from gaming I say this,
Go and play the ultimate game in real life.
Find a new skill to learn, get licences, acquire money to buy items, train with those items, become proficient with said items. Use these tools/hobbies to then test yourself in the real world, it’s endless growing and levelling up.
I miss gaming sometimes and always will but nothing will take away from the REAL skills I have if a power plug was unplugged from the wall.
needed this i decided to stop today im 31. but i already feel bored i know its just the early feeling and a lifestyle change i really liked what you said here
@@Mr.Kody365 good luck on your journey mate! If I help one person that’s a win. When I first stopped I had to think about what I’d like to do if I could do anything on the world. Buying a bike was unreal because I always wanted to own a Harley. I got there after my first small honda cruiser. Now I’m a long haired biker with a crew of mates to roll the highways with. It’s just unreal what can happen if you spend the time to develop yourself. Pick a hobby and start there. Then pick more. You’ll be surprised what you can accomplish after a year or two.
I'm 38, and I'm quitting as it has led to an unhealthy habit, loss of focus & motivation in life. I'm glad I read your comment.
Bill probably watches and listens to sports and related media at least 4 hours a day and would never question that time spent on it and that's 10 times more vapid than video games.
I get what you are saying.
So true lol its amazing how short sighted people can be
But at that point it’s just a preference. He probably enjoys sports more than video games, simple as that
My point is that everyone talks shit about video games and it's always these boomers and genX sports fans that sit their 400 lb diabetic butts in front of the TV for dozens of hours a week and accuse everyone else for wasting time. @@chayob8914
@@chayob8914 *Woosh*
There’s substance addiction (drugs and alcohol) then behavioral addiction (video games, eating, movies, working out, gambling, this list can go on). Us as humans are addicted to something. I’m a recovering substance addict. Battling for 27yrs. While noticing the behavior addictions overlapping, movies and video games. I’ve got off the substances but then switched. It’s a crazy mind battle each individual goes through.
The couple of keys I use.
1. One day at a time. Don’t think ahead or dwell in past failures. Not easy but keep going
2. This changed me and my mind set. Being MENTALLY SOBER. This covers a big umbrella of my mind. It’s basically keeping my mind balanced by doing activities. I still need to fix this as getting better back in school full time, full time work, wife and 2 teenagers. It’s not making things 50/50 in balance. Just try to balance my life to feel normal, regular stress, happiness, hobbies, etc.
3. If you think you can do it all yourself, enjoy a very lonely life in a closed mind. It’s miserable battle with your worst enemy, yourself.
You can play, just don’t let it take over your mind and life. You notice not being active or social as before. Take a step back. The biggest challenge is accepting something is off.
You can say being mentally sober is an addiction in itself lol. You're battling because your mind is craving what it's not and once you become what it's not, you crave what it was.... haha
life is a never-ending battle.
Thanks, DAD! 😒
@@stevenc7877 you’re not interrupting the same way I am. Mental deals with human brain and sober means clean.
How can you read mentally sober being an addiction itself? I’m a recovering addict of 27 years an interested in others views.
Being mentally sober is towards addicts. This can be used as mentally balanced. Keeping your mind balanced with a strong baseline, foundation.
When I was in HS, had a strong foundation with sports, friends and social life. I crossed the line experimenting with drugs and alcohol. This was to often thinking it’s all good. After graduating I got accepted into engineering at University of Pitt. My problem was, I wasn’t prepared for college or the real world. My foundation was still with HS sports, that same routine. This put a big crack in my foundation, as I filled it in with a lot more drugs and alcohol.
This crack created voids in my mind. I lasted one year at Pitt, in and out of colleges next few years, no clue what I wanted to do as a job or career, lost. Had ideas to work in different types of labor, iron, steel, etc unions but shrugged them off thinking “I’ll be okay.” No I wasn’t. Arrogance and ignorance the drugs and alcohol where feeding me. I did get help from rehabs but didn’t truly listen. My foundation was completely unstable, black hole voids everywhere as my mind running like a pin ball lost, reaching for anything. While answering to a mind altering substance.
Even after having wife kids, foundation started coming together but shaky, not solid then finally accepted to not do this on my own. Stay with getting help. The one meeting a fellow addict mentioned being “mentally sober” and finally a light bulb went off. This was last year, a month after getting back into school. It would be great if answers happen over night but most the time it doesn’t. Took 26 years for it to truly sink in.
It does deal with addiction. Not causing addiction. For me it’s on top of a mountain on how to handle my addiction in all different ways. Keep my foundation strong, the empty voids away and not think I can do it myself. On my own I’ll drive myself crazy.
@@StillTheVoid you’re welcome . By your name read my reply to other post. If having issues talk to someone. If they don’t listen (as in sit, listen let you talk and find out the puzzle your mind created) find another. You’re young I assume and it’s harder for kids today with social media. This exponentially increased mental issues with kids minds today. I believe this will have their minds foundation all over and not stable as older generations overall. Having this problem, kids start filling these cracks with voids that get bigger. Even when foundation is broke you can still fix.
This just my opinion as an addict. Stay safe and be strong.
@@stevenc7877 I’m still trying to understand your point. People chase their first high that they’ll never feel again. That’s nothing with being mentally sober 🤔 also using any type of addiction to cover a pain, run from something, also believe they’re someone better.
Really interested on your opinion Steve. This helps so no worries.
Yeah I had the same epiphany recently. Now, don't get me wrong I still play games a lot! However, one day I was playing and I just had this moment. I had been wanting to get certified in a new career path (I'm a software developer). I just thought, "why aren't you studying? Like actually why am I not studying right now? I want to work remotely, I want to make more money, I am passionate about this job role, and I want a good life for my fiancee and I. So why the fuck am I not studying?" So I stopped, and after about a week of tapering it down I was able to focus and in a couple months time get my certification. It was actually a big moment, I'm now able to actually stop if I need to. I'll still sink hours upon hours, but my goals, things that will improve my life, I can drop games on a dime now and get to work. But it was hard. Got too comfortable in my current position with meaningless video game goals. I recognize my desire to reach those goals, and I allow myself to work towards them too. But I've untangled my brain and can separate them now. My career goals, then my gaming goals. Like I recently just did a weekend long technical test and passed. Before, I would've been CRAVING gaming. It would've been a distraction but I'm able to fight it now. Everyone in my opinion who gets in that same rut, needs to force themselves out, even if it's just for a little to readjust. I feel like COVID enabled it so much.
This is actually a good point. From my own personal experience I struggled with a drug and sex addiction and when I got sober and simplified my life I ended up falling into a trap of binge eating and excessive video game playtime. To a point where I was putting little to no effort into other aspects of life and I had struggled with a similar type of addiction as I mentioned above. However, video games are a lot of fun and I don’t think they are a bad thing at all. But moderation is key, because many long 8+hr long sessions of gaming left me asking a lot of lifes important questions.
A more accurate video title could be ‘you should avoid video game addiction’.
I quit for three years to focus on work and school. I started dabbling back into video games on a weekend if I had a few hours. I saw all the content creator hype going on and couldn't believe it. Someone important in my life was interested in a few video games. She actually got me interested in playing again to distract me from stressing about work. We were going to make a YT channel but she passed away from chrons complications. Everything is balance and takes some discipline. I can appreciate sitting on the grass without any tech near me so to ground out. I only play casually to have fun. I don't think a video game ever made me mad. I always appreciated the rhythm and movements of some games and I was always eager to apply that to playing guitar. Long story short I been sick pretty much since I started YT and I am still getting treatments and that has somewhat suppressed my coordination on some days. I didn't even have a TV for two of those three years. Just math and electrical books and my guitar.
I always had this issue with family, they can spend hundreds of hours watching TV, watching football, but spending time doing in videogames, thats a big nono.
Live and let live, each waste our time in what we love.
Both tv and video games if done more than 1 hour a day are a waste.
@@newagain9964 That's like your opinion, and you are entitled to a wrong one~
@@newagain9964 I'll talk to you next time I've to pull a number out of my ass!
Really, what exactly are you supposed to do all day? Work? That isn't good for you either. Pursuing women? Nope, it comes down to obsession. When you pass that line it becomes a problem. Even if you work out you need down time. @@P4T0mtz14
@@P4T0mtz14what makes his opinion wrong??
I love games, but especially now with how much content there is in open-world games it's really important to regulate how much you play. Gotta balance it out with other aspects of life, too.
After I started making room for workouts, socializing, and studying, my life's been way better off.
Yeah I usually avoid open world games nowadays. Unless it's a new gta,in wich case I'll take a week off work haha
They're not saying you should quit video games. The title is clickbait.
It could be worse… I could be drinking!
You are drinking. Your drinking mt dew
@@davecallister1233which may be worse! Diabetes is the silent killer that prolly kills more fat Americans than alcohol. No lie.
I appreciate the effort put into this video. It’s so easy just to take a clip and make it your own these days, but you choose not to do that. Good job!
I'll always love gaming but the addiction is real and true discipline is paramount
I got tired of Call of Duty games...now those were very addictive
Id rather be outside exercising/exploring nature than inside playing games.🍻
Being on a nature walk is one of life's best experiences.
I had a friend drop out of school when he got addicted to Quake in '98 or 99.
He just started not showing up to classes and not doing the coursework.
Then because he was going to fail and make the school look bad in results they pulled all his exam entries.
2 years of school wasted in the last 2 or 3 months.
He ended up having to do another 2 years in college. Fair play to him he got his life back on track. Met his wife there and ended up being quite successful in the end. A T1 line back then was mythical!
Did he ever complete Quake though?
When I first quit doing heroin, video games kept me clean, partly, & I still play them all the time. If I'm not at work or accomplishing something, I'm playing a game. They keep my hands & mind busy, so they help me.
throughout my early 20s I fully bought into the idea that video games were all around bad since they don’t move your life forward, false sense of accomplishment, etc. but looking back I ended up just wasting time in other ways like scrolling social media (which is worse) or watching movies. Now I play games for an hour or 2 3-5 nights a week and I don’t see it hindering my ability to workout, do jiu jitsu, play guitar, go to work, etc. sure I could be using that time doing something productive or engaging with loved ones but that just wasn’t happening before the games anyways, and I genuinely feel like video games are much better for my mental health and cognitive abilities than scrolling social media, jacking off, or watching mediocre cinema
All things in moderation
People don't realize that they need both a productive hobby and a non-productive hobby. If you don't have both you'll just burn out. You don't have to be productive most of your day. It's okay to take a break every day. For example I like to garden and workout which both need serious commitment. Often times they both conflict schedule wise. When I'm on rest days or gardening dies down for the season I'm gaming, reading comics and watching CZcams. Keep playing video games it's perfectly healthy as long as you don't let it overtake everything else.
This is hands down why I love these guys because I can relate to them and their ADD lifestyles. I'm ALWAYS doing something new and once I semi-perfect it I move onto the next hobby. It has driven insane anyone I've ever dated. It drives ME insane too but hey, I gotta keep this brain busy or else it starts to short circuit.
Modern video games definitely have incredible scope for hand-eye skill and strategic and tactical planning. You look up play throughs or how-tos online, some of them are honestly genius in how they’ve figured out ways to min-max these extremely complicated games. If you tackle a game with the intention of achieving those goals, then yeah you might strengthen your coordination and cognitive abilities. But it’s also possible to play a lot of these game mindlessly for hours and hours, grinding away to get resources you could’ve got in 10 minutes if you applied your mind to what you were doing, or repeating a fight 50 times until you win by luck instead of learning to gather the skills and resources you need before fighting. And that’s not even to mention truly brainless games like candy crush. Video games can be a massive waste of time with no redeeming qualities if you let them be
Yeah and it also gives a lot of people a very false idea of reality.
@yodaddy82daddy70 How?
@@yodaddy82daddy70 dumb people sure
@@yodaddy82daddy70 True but you have ignorant people in every avenue of life. It isn't a gaming thing it's a comprehension and intelligence thing. When I first got into gaming it was to keep my hands and mind busy while I overcame my addiction to pain pills and cigarettes. Roughly $160 a year in gaming is all I spend and I've been sober for 8yrs. I prefer good story driven games though like Mass Effect, Dragon Age, etc... It's just like reading a good book. I dont even own a tv either. I game and/or read as my pass time. Plus I love to Draw/paint. I would've never gotten away from drugs and discovered that about myself If I had not escaped the clutches of addiction.
I wouldnt want to be a genious in any game, that would mean Im neglecting everything else.
Quit playing video games ages ago, but now CZcams takes up all my time…
Video games can be good for problem solving too, depending on the game.
Talos Principle!
Portal!
Baba Is You
A sharp decline i noticed when i stopped playing video games was my ability to lucid dream. I use to look forward to dreaming because to me at the time it just felt like a video game I could experience in a virtual world that was in my mind. I miss being able to Lucid dream. Now i probably only experience lucid dreaming like 2 or 3 times per year, and those rare moments feel like gold to me.
I rarely lucid dream but came to a realisation after reading an article on Destructoid years ago about a psychologist who's gamer son never had nightmares. I had almost forgot about nightmares entirely until I realised when I was having awesome monster/enemy slaying dreams, that these were supposed to be nightmares but my gamer brain turned all the threats into targets and I'd just whip out an assault rifle or a big fuck off sword and get to killing.
I haven't had a legit nightmare for about 20 years.
@@MichaelJP That sound like a thrill!! And my fists turn into sponge when I'm fighting my enemies, and run in slow motion from monsters 🙃. if I had to I would sacrifice my phone (social media) for gaming time!
I wish I had stopped playing games 10+ years ago. I don't care about what good things the media had to say about them. There's no future in them, so they are truly devoid of meaning. Truly.
I more or less stopped and focused on work for many years. However after I was laid off, I started playing again and didn't realise how much I missed it 😊
This really does speak to me at where I’m at in my life currently. I’ve turned 30 today, and I do play video games a lot. I have good friends online who I met through my time gaming and it’s our way of hanging out which I’ll always make time for and I’d hate to lose that, but I do often find myself playing for the sake of playing when they’re not on. I’ve also just started a new job which is a really challenging role but absolutely a step forward for me career-wise as I’ve felt a bit stuck in my profession for a while. Plus, this new job will mean me being out on the road a lot now whereas I worked from home before, so I won’t be able to game as much anyway - but I did start to recognise a pattern recently that I was doing it a bit too much and needed a change to shift that standstill. Ideally I’d love to strike a balance, everything in moderation eh?
I was an addict from toddler age until I quit when I was 34. It's a bit rocky to stop playing, so much of your ego and your dopamine reward system can be tied into the experience. I definitely experienced a fair bit of depression that did not immediately go away. I'm 36 now and most of that detox and readjustment is behind me. It's amazing the differences that exist internally and how much more responsibility I've taken on in that time.
It's not easy, but from my experience - video games are for children. Keep playing if you want to stay a child, stop playing if you want to be an adult. In growing up there does not appear to be much of a middle ground. There is commitment to adulthood or there is resistance to it, and even a little resistance can really hold you back.
Sounds like you couldn't handle it and now you say others shouldn't partake because of your consequences
@@chamberscmtyou can definetly play games and still be a responsible adult. It's not all black and white.
Who doesn’t want to escape the real world though? You get to experience way cooler ones where you can do impossible or illegal things (depending on the game) and design your own characters, explore beautiful/magical places and escape from reality when it gets too depressing, stressful or tedious. I get that it can be super addictive, but I don’t think it’s a waste of time. It actually helps build problem solving skills and self esteem. You have to improve in order to advance and no matter how many times you die you get to keep trying until you prevail. I used to feel like I sucked at everything and couldn’t do anything right until I started playing video games and watched my progress which made me realize the importance of persistence and perspective. Gamers get so much shite but I think they’re some of the greatest people because they are imaginative, fun and usually pretty intelligent. You learn so much from playing video games that it definitely isn’t a waste of time and some people make a lot of money doing something they actually enjoy and get to live many lives in different worlds. That’s just my opinion on it though, not everyone sees it that way and that’s totally fine. People escape reality in different ways that just happens to be the one that works best for me.
Your whole argument proves their argument. Get it?
@@Naman_Kalra how so? Please elaborate if you’re trying to make a point.
@@river-yukiif you take the time you put into video games and apply that to cultivating the life you want to live you’ll no longer need to ‘escape from reality’. I’m not knocking you, I’ve come from gaming way too much and streaming. I quit gaming in 2021 to focus on life and I’ve levelled up more in the last 2yrs than I did in the 5yrs prior. When you make your reality the way you want it to be, you won’t want to escape it.
I understand, but I don't think trying to escape reality is a way we should be living
So do u ever watch a movie? Isn’t that an escape? Ever eat cake ice cream or candy? It’s not healthy. Pretty much just an escape.
Video games taught me how to read and helped friends of mine deal with anger issues.
Everything in moderation lads. 💪
I respect and admire you guys. You put priorities before passion but still have enough energy to pursue passion. Thanks
I returned to gaming back in 2013 after I took a 5-year break. I did that thinking I would be able to replace and quit another addictive and even worse habit (porn).
did that help?
@user-cv2xn8qr4t No, it got worse actually. I am still trying and will never stop trying no matter how many times I fail.
When real life is more exciting and easier than a game then ill stop.
Wait till you find a girl. Video games become obsolete. But it's a catch 22
... You aren't going to find ladies if you spend all your time gaming.
@@wakenow1I've tried going to places I enjoy, and doing things I like where other people will be ... I've found people are colder nowadays and since we are all living world's... it just don't seem plausible to interject into a world.. you tell me how/where too meet a good woman I'm all ears
@wakenow1 and if you think im giving up games your as delusional as my ex
@@SinnerChrono have fun in a suspended state of adolescence. Enjoy being a man child forever.
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I dont understand the scrutiny against video games. Its no different than watching sports, movies, card games, board games, playing sports, or any potentially addicting past time. And video game or not if you let it control your life, its not healthy.
Why would I quit playing video games? I'm 36 years old, I will play video games until I die. What do you want me to do? Sit in a room all by myself Just smoking weed all day long. I have a job I have a life video games is my therapy. It's my free time. I don't get much time to even play video games anymore but I enjoy it and I always will.
Depending what game youre playing I think they can increase your intelligence, some shooter BR's stress situational awareness, positioning and finding simpler solutions to gain a win. With fighters you're constantly adapting to the other person which becomes harder in the higher elo playing field.
Outside video games if you play your cards right it can be serious side hustle. I have 2 friends where it pays their rent and one of them hasnt worked a 9-5 since 2020.
video games pretty much turned me from an aspiring pro athlete into a pothead.
it's just so easy and so much dopamine!
luckily I turned it around, so now I'm making games.
but I'm still looking back on what could have been in my sports career.
Or it’s possible that video games saved you from permanently damaging your body due to an injury you might have gotten if you continued on that path. Everything happens for a reason mate, look to the future instead of the past. 💪⭐️
Or you turned yourself from an aspiring pro athelete into a pothead. Video games are a convenient scapegoat. I’m right there with you, did the same thing. But we gotta take responsibility for our own actions.
@@dfgrhbjkh tbh it was a lot of things coming together crashing down all of my life at that time. video games kinda were just a fun uplift when needed and later on where I made most of my friends.
@@river-yuki yeah nah yeah nah, nah mate. ballroom dancing is pretty good for your joints and muscles. never heard of any injury, well except getting knocked out by the elbow of another couple. wich happened to my partner once back in the days.
plus there were a lot of other mad things playing into the total outcome. but I thing preferring gaming was my biggest contribution.
anyways I switched one passionate hobby for another with the same passion.
plus you can't make money in dancing.
and I still create things that make people enjoy themselves for a few moments.
so basically the same.
@@KimboKG14 I didn’t know you were talking about dancing… not saying it isn’t a sport but it’s not what comes to mind when someone says they’re training to be a pro athlete. So yeah that’s obviously not that dangerous… my bad mate.
Im a huge gamer and we gotta realize that sometimes when the game is interfering with your real life you gotta take a break. Get some shit done before going back to it.
It´s great to find out that even succesful people like Joe and you suffer the same addictions and problems. I used to play drums up to 4 hours a day from 14-22 like a maniac and I was also a gaming addict for many years. Once you realize you have a problem you can start to heal and grow from it. Allthough it takes time. I still have hard days where I would like to play video games and it seems to repress everything else that is fun like hiking, sports, reading and so on. Gaming is just so dangerous.
I wish everyone that has that type of problem the strenght to overcome it.
I think the main point here is these guys were addicted and playing for hours on end, completely consumed - so maybe it was the right move for them to quit.
Not to say others can't enjoy playing games. Beware though of some of the pernicious mechanics in modern games that are designed to be as addictive as possible and keep you playing as much as possible.
Bill Burr needs to be added to GTA 6, like how they added Kat Williams to GTA 4. We could go to comedy club and watch a Bill Burr bit
He plays a character in gta 4
He’s one of the lost and damned
@@joshuas8582 no way! That's awesome, I never realized that
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Honestly video games is one of the things keeping me sane, If it werent not for them I think I would have severely injured one of my coworkers by now.
I’ve had some long stints over the years where I’d spend a lot of time playing COD but mostly I play in moderation. I have a pretty high end sim racing rig and I run a few races a week on iRacing. As long as you don’t let it interfere with the rest of your life, you get everything accomplished, and spend plenty of time with your family then there is nothing wrong with enjoying gaming as a hobby. Some people may have addictive personalities but you can’t really put that on gaming as it’s just one of many things in this life that can be abused by those with that personality trait. Like everything else in this wonderful life moderation is key!
I used to laugh about adults saying "Video games are damaging kids games and they don't know the difference between reality and the game" but now as an adult in my 30s, I'm playing stuff like Baldur's Gate 3, and some of the interactions between the characters make me want to cry because I feel so much empathy for the stuff they're going through. I would feel genuinely disgusted by some of the threats of violence they made towards each other, and I realised "Oh damn, I became the kid my parents warned me about, who is super invested and can't tell the difference".
Obviously I still know it's a game, but I walk away sometimes and I think "Wow I can't wait to see how this story arc works out for the character" and I guess this is what I never used to feel reading books, because I could never get into reading fiction that much.
Made my whole career playing video games.
Gud job
yea bro your 1.8k views per video must be affording you a very lavish life
Why would you buy subscribers bruh😂??? It does not help your growth, if anything it'll stop it. The system thinks you made it magically so it'll help you less
Good for you pal. Most of everyone else has to work honest jobs for their money.
How is being a youtuber not an honest job? Think about how much work it would be to do all that editing, recording, content etc. They probably work a lot harder than most of us do. @@BLADESLADE357
Decide on your own. Dont let others (random guys online) dictate what you should and shouldn't do.
I learned how to ride a motorcycle. I learned how to convert box trucks into RVs, and I learn how to modify video game arcades to put in a coin, slot slit, Marquise, and thousands of games. But I still do play video games cause I find it entertaining and it’s enjoying. I think everything in moderation.
Love this discussion
It wasn't really a dunk on video games as a whole but about moderation in engaging one's hobby
Not gonna like, Video games are like anything in life, good with regulation but don’t let it control your life and have other hobbies or interests outside of them.
Im 38 and I'm a gamer at heart. Always will be... it's cheap entertainment and the immersion is a good getaway after a long day at work.
If you can find something that’s fun and it doesn’t directly hurt you or others, that’s a great thing. Even better if you can somehow make money doing it. I think people spend too much time worrying about how other people spend theirs, and worrying about what others think of them.
If you don’t know when to put the controller down then you have a problem. I game myself but I know when to put down the controller. I would argue more people are addicted to social media over video games.
Exactly! Everyone is reading our posting crap all day long. The funny thing is , we are doing it now by making comments here.
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the days of gaming that Rogan talked about were some of the best years in multiplayer gaming period.
obviously not sleeping for an entire night is not healthy but it's really weird that these guys just ignore the factor of meeting all those other people playing. they ignore the factor of learning how to tinker with computers and networking which was especially necessary in the earlier PC gaming days. it gets tiring to hear people with addictive personalities not realize everyone is not like them
I don't think they were saying that everybody is like them.
It also didn't feel like they were bashing or insulting anyone with these hobbies, they were simply speaking to people who are like-minded - such as myself -and go too far with these things.
They never said that everybody is like this or that video games are bad for you. Joe still practices MMA stuff, but he admitted that he didn't moderate it when he was younger.
They're talking about a wide spectrums of things and the main message of the video isn't "video games are bad" but "learning moderation and time management is important"
I got a recumbent bike and started playing only on the bike.... sent me down a fitness path that saw me lose 60 lbs, start weight training and running, and I still cherish a few bike rides a week playing red dead, but it really turned that dead end into a positive for me. Highly recommend biking and gaming.
Life's too short not to have fun, so
do what you want.
At the end of the day, it depends on your personality. Some people can play 1h a day and leave it at that. Some people try to limit it to an hour, but then their impulses get the best of them. Now, is trying to control those impulses and turn yourself into a moderate person the solution? Might take months or years. For some people, the best thing to do is to just stop.
As someone in game development I don't think it'd be a good idea for me to quit. But lately I've been thinking I really gotta scale back significantly and just get some more fresh air.
I'm going to be 68 years old, divorced 40 years ago, had a few girlfriends, been 100% single, and Free for 7 years , I play video games almost every day and I bought myself a full sized Pinball Machine, and it sits in my living room. I'm the happiest I've ever been in my entire life. My only regret is that I didn't ditch the girlfriend sooner. Now it's back to Tom Clancy's Wildlands. Man, I love that game.
I mostly play videogames to socialize. I think it's a good routine. I don't play unless some of my friends are online too. It's a cheap and comfortable way to stay in touch with people you're already close to, or if you don't have friends you can try meeting people. I do think it can become a waste of time if you're obsessed or spending more time gaming than working on your life or spending time with family or pursuing other interests and hobbies, but as a pastime I don't see it as any worse than watching TV or sports. The hours some folks pour into watching a sports game or going to a concert or movie are the hours gamers tend to pour into their games. Everybody has a pretty mindless hobby, and gaming is among the least mindless because you're actually having to engage with the process. It's not a passive thing like watching people play or act, where you do nothing more than observe, gaming engages your participation in the process, and while it is fun and generally light entertainment, it goes deeper into the mental processing when you're having to make all the decisions.
This was a good clip / episode. Enjoyed that conversation.
The thing is, almost everything in this world can become a dangerous addiction if you are not carefull with it. Like some people below me said, just don’t let it get in the way of your job or loved ones. If playing games is more important than making those tasks you were assigned to do for your job, you need to stop. If you would rather sit there playing a video games for like 8 hours instead of spending time with your gf, you need to stop. I know some people will jump on me for saying this and be like “bros before hoes” or “my gaming rig is more deserving of my time than a girl who would cheat on me”. Guys I know how some people are but some people are worth your time(you can’t just self-isolate and assume everyone is shit) and when you find those great people, you can’t neglect them, of course they can even play video games with you, nothing wrong with that (thats even better) but as long as you balance things out like half your free time for the video games and half of it for your loved ones, everything is gonna be just fine. Gaming helped me a lot, I still buy games, I still enjoy video games, heck I even want to upgrade what I already have, but Im also carefull to balance things and to not lose control of stuff. I believe that’s what the majority of gamers do.
I've recently got a part time job along with a full time job.... never in my life have I worked two jobs before..... I've just thought the extra income would get me ahead in life.... so now my only day off or day of rest is Sundays... I really do hope and pray for those good people you speak of to come into my life.
@@skoomaforu2526 they will, always try to stay as optimistic as possible, I know that in some moments, that’s just impossible but we need to keep on living and try to hope for the better. Your hard work will pay off someday. I believe in you dude. You can do it.
@@EROStars I'll remember your support when it's me v world. Thank you for your kind words friend.
I'm just a winter video game player. Keeps me busy and happy during these long cold dark winters.
I heard Jordan Peterson once say, “learn to play life like a game.” He was referencing the ambition of winning at what a person does with their career. Make it fun and enjoy the little achievements as you journey towards something bigger.
Conversely, relationships should not be treated as a game. Instead, you should value each like you do the blood in your veins.
The two skills combined will determine your success.
so relate ..."these are hobbies" love the Billyboy Rogan Combo.
When I was younger, I was obsessed with games and watching movies to the point that my father would put a code on the TV (of course I would crack that code) and lock the doors of the computer room.
Now I'm 39 and I use the computer for coding and writing. I haven't watched TV in 20 years, I play games twice a week 2 hours per day max. Every once in a while I tell myself "It's OK, you can binge today, no problem." and I would quit after playing something for an hour or so and rather grab a book.
It's fascinating how the dopamine cycle can change with time. What I enjoy more today is watching the game design documentaries and how movies are being filmed.
Going through the same thing as a doctor.. waiting for that time where I have done enough in life where I can enjoy my games. There's always "have to do this first"
I had to cut back on video games to get my life going. I didn't even play that much, just 2-3 hours each day. But I realized that that was still 2-3 hours that could be used learning something. I went from barely above minimum wage to web developer making a pretty nice salary. Now I just game on my Switch when I have time between work, family, guitar practice, freelancing, etc. I sometimes get in like 4 hours a week.
There exist a game any man with an addictive personality won't be able to put down because it takes up time but not really since what you have to do in the game is solely up to you. That game is Path of Exile, if you reach end game you will know that this game have too much stuff to learn and will take 1000's of hours BUT its the most fun game any man would enjoy. Why? because the loot that drops in the game is a gambling simulator where anything can happen. Just when you think, "okay I've played enough for today" and then you get a piece you were looking for. And it doesn't demand too much time if you want to take it slow.
What I'm trying to say is, if you want a game to play for the rest of your life without it being a distraction for other things in your life, Poe is that game. Gaming can be a addiction you manage if you have only one game you play. Two birds with one stone, I ease my desire to gamble and I scratch the itch of power fantasy all men love.
Nice to hear bill have a pretty objective opinion on his video game use, and a good sense of humor too. I was so convinced he was gonna have some knee jerk, fear response about video games.
Ive already quit.... 99% of the time whenever id think back on my time playing video games id think thoughts like "man i really wish i did something, ANYTHING else with my life" thats how i knew and finally came to terms with how badly games affected me. Fast forward to now and I don't own a single piece of technology outside my Phone. Computer? Tossed over the 2nd story porch and burned in a fire, Consoles? Gave them all away same thing for TV'S, the amount of time I wasted sitting on my ass accomplishing literally nothing is out of this world to me, never again.
Could have been a Twitch streamer, ya hippie
I’ve been furiously addicted to video games since my parents got me a gameboy at 4, I’m 27 now and never stopped for even a day
Gaming is one of my favorite hobbies to escape the harsh realities of adulthood and it can teach lessons throughout the story and it makes me happy, gaming is good as long as you don't let it take over your life and you put your responsibilities first.
Damn I needed to hear this bad. I'm 40 with a stupid 9-5 corporate job and I still play games. I buy them all and don't have time to play them, too. Maybe I should just quit them and focus on building some extra income...
Just prioritise your shit and make a cut-off. Same as what parents do to a kid. Make small goals for things in your life.
Example -
Business Goals - Create Ads / Re-stock and label merchandise
Life and health Goals - Train Gym / 30 Minute walk /Meditate
Family goals - Dinner / Watch Movie / Listen and Interaction 2-4 hours/ Dog walks
Leisure- Reward yourself - Play games / Bath / Eat out / Friends/ bars
Cut-off - Cut off leisure and all stim activities - 1 hour before bed for rest
that's it.. If you don't hit your goals - you don't get to play games ( No reward) . Restart next day and make new goals. Life's a marathon
I’m getting to a point in my life where I just have no motivation to even want to play a single game anymore. I look at my responsibilities in life, where I want to be, and I’m like, this is a time waster. And it is… Video games 🎮 waste time. We have valuable time on this planet. And I am a firm believer that sitting and playing a video game is fun, but that time could be used to better ourselves.
A good Video game is such an amazing thing. I am currently playing God of war 2018 and I am blown away by the “ art “ side of it. By that I mean sure it’s enjoyable and engaging as hell but the effort the developers have put in the visuals and the gaming physics is unbelievable.
I also enjoy exceptional tv and movies and games today should be in my opinion viewed with the same lens as we see great cinema cause of the art factor involved.
Still the best looking game I've played on my PS5 (a PS4 game), although I'm sure Ragnarok is more impressive, haven't played it yet.
Ragnorok is solid. 👍
Art is always the factor bro
I've noticed most people that are anti video game, watch shows and movies, and don't see any hypocrisy in it. At least with games you're keeping your mind sharp when most other forms of entertainment are pretty passive in comparison. I'm fine with it all though. You'll be dead before you know it so use your time however you want. Not everybody has or should have the same priorities. I'm just going for the max fun while still surviving until I'm sent to hell to burn forever.
Never. I'll never stop playing. It's cathartic and therapeutic.
Youll stop playing when the power grid fails.
@@oneperson5760then he'll play cod with real guns 😂
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@@christohees9150 not for long. shoot-em up fantasy is only a fantasy. Reality is quite different.
Still enjoy my Atari... every few years. I never really got hooked on the games. The new ones that my son plays are too complicated... worst I ever got experience with was Mortal Kombat... there is enough real life to live, and watch a little of Bill Burr from time to time. He is almost a mirror image of my brother 😂
Be careful how you spend your time. These two fellas has the metacognition to step out and know when to call it quits. Kudos to them.
Playing video games is evil!!
But watching trash TV is socially acceptable.
I cannot put a lot of stock in what these two guys are saying in regards to video games. It is quite obvious that Bill knows almost nothing about them - "You can play online for the last 20 years... duhh" Joe tends to agree with whatever guest he has on the show. I've heard both of these guys talk incessantly about watching sports - you are simply sitting on the couch watching someone else do something . At least in video games you are an active participant. Bill watching someone play football for 8 hours on Sunday is fine - Me playing video games for 2 hours a night is considered bad...screw that. It is simply a matter of where your interest are.
i had exactly the same feeling when i was about 30 years old. I was playing video games from my 8th year. Sinclair ZX Spectrum, 486, Pentium, i had it all, fifa 95, doom 2,...anyway, one day i was playing fifa like 2013 i won champions league with real madrid, and i guess i expected some cool video of the celebrations, but all i got was, new tab opened and it said: congratulations, do you want to play another season? That was my moment of realization that i am wasting my life. From that day on, i never played games, i became millionaire, living on a big ranch with animals, have beautiful family and everything happened from that moment on.
I hear you on being addicted to things that don't pay. I dropped video games a year ago. I replaced it with playing Basketball. I love playing but I'm in my mid 30s and it's very hard on my knees.
It’s no different than television. You can watch and engaging, informative documentary or you can watch Keeping Up with the Kardashians.
You could play a puzzle game that requires spatial awareness, has shape rotating puzzles, and an engaging story or you can play Call of Duty. Entertainment is always going to offer the majority of itself to the lowest common denominator. Go play something like Zelda, Dark Souls, or Armored Core and tell me it’s the same as Fortnite.
If someone made a video - why you should stop watching podcasts, Joe would definitely have a problem with that, lolol
They both bring up a point that's very important: DO NOT commit large amounts of time to video games until you are where you NEED to be in real life first 👍
People always say "oh just don't over indulge". People say the same thing about junk food, weed, p*rn, and tons of other unhealthy activities. If you have ever had to make the statement "as long as you don't over do it" then you are the exact type of person that needs to stop. People who do stuff in moderation don't talk about their moderation. They just do it.
People... Never give up on video games! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣👍🏻
Its time bro. Dont slide this.
Yea never give up! Be in your 40s with no family, diabetes, and 5,000 hours in baldurs gate 3
@@Gruso57yes although I'm playing vid games I have a family of 4 driving a BMW M5 comp going to the gym for 2 hours every week enjoying my life and still playing games at this point it's more of stress relief because sometimes work and life get to you it's nice to sit 1-2 hours a day and just play a game forgetting about the world's bs it helpse cope with stress 😂
@@Gruso57idiotic comment
@@Gruso575,000 hours is rookie numbers
I think gamers are the normal people. Wanting to escape from reality is completely understandable. Play more video games.
Bad excuse
Moderation is key. I learned a lot growing up with story driven games like Final Fantasy X & Metal Gear Solid 3.